Disney DIRT TRACK Going in Magic Kingdom?! Disappointing D23 in Brazil Baffles Analysts!

[@melissag.664]

They hit the nail on the head with: "This is Kilimanjaro Safaris without the animals."

[@LavishPatchKid]

Why in Brazil? Because they're running from critics protesting. lol

[@MT-tu8dt]

I think people would be more excited if Disney canceled their projects.

[@phillyguy199]

Yes, like the Hippocratic oath, "Do no harm."

[@coldwater2160]

WDW Pro is the best I watch you all everyday🔥🔥🔥

[@phillyguy199]

That video of Disney testing those "off road" vehicles looked ridiculous. A completely wrong fit for the lands around the Rivers of America. How can Disney Co. be this stupid?

[@michaelschroeck2254]

It’s just funny that they ran to Brazil to escape the criticisms they would face if they had been in the states. It just smacks of them knowing what they are doing is not popular.

[@Tigger_34]

I would say just stay there, but I would not wish that upon our Brazilian friends!!!

[@animezilla4486]

Disagree because it's not all bad at 8:23 there are some good announcements

[@Fishman814]

I wish Disney would do some major upgrades for The Speed Way ride in tomorrow land.

[@stevenshepherd1905]

It is time for those gas powered engines to go away.

[@michellekelly5522]

It would be a better place to do a Cars ride too. They could do a futuristic Cars to fit Tomorrowland better.

[@sianireece3262]

I can think of something way more extraordinary. Have a tour of Route 66 and Radiator Springs with a story, and at the end, race Doc Hudson on the dirt track from the movie. To me, that would be way cooler and super immersive.

[@tneal89]

In the grimdarkness of the early 3rd millennium, there is only reruns of earlier livestreams.

[@Flyoff1234]

If the cars ride is actually on dirt, that would be a maintenance nightmare. Mud, erosion, dust, and stability issues would plague this ride.

[@vrghr]

Exactly! Have you ever seen a motocross track after a number of heats have been run on it? Ruts 2 and 3 feet deep! Dirt thrown up over the berms. Washboarding, and not just the woopdidoos intentionally built in. Pot holes. Etc. Now imagine a dirt track where the vehicles run in exactly the same track for 6, 8, 10 hours a day, every day. Then throw in water and erosion from rain runoff. And the dirt and dust drifting on the wind across the park. This would have to be a stabilized concrete or similar surface, no matter what coloring and texture they added to make it look like "cartoon dirt". And it would react like every other similar surface when it got wet; it gets slicker. Good luck running that in FL without a lot of weather downtime! And Jonas is right: The methodology doesn't matter if the rider's experience doesn't change. If a coaster accelerates from the launch at 3Gs to hit 80MPH over a set number of yards, it doesn't matter to the riders if that launch is linear accelerators, air launch, or some exotic never-before-system. It still feels the same to the person in the car. If it's a "trackless" ride system or a rail, unless the ride does something radically different the experience to the customer in the car is the same.

[@GeococcyxVelox]

For modern Disney, it doesn’t matter if a new ride is good. The only thing that matters is making the guests buy Lightning Lanes

[@KobraKai2388]

And buy related merchandise

[@jrenfield]

And destroy everything related to Walt's legacy.

[@animezilla4486]

It does matter that a new ride is good

[@animezilla4486]

​@@jrenfieldthat makes no sense

[@s3.14dervision]

They can't even get Tiana's ride to work!! 😂

[@vrghr]

Heck, they can't even get the lights in the center of EPCOT to work, let alone a sophisticated "new" ride system!

[@s3.14dervision]

@vrghr 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🫠

[@DrMackFoxx]

"If it's a bad idea, it must be Disney!" Perhaps this should be the company's new slogan? XD

[@animezilla4486]

Well we don't know for sure this is a bad idea or not only time will tell

[@RonanBunny]

A tree falls the way it leans Disney needs to be careful which way they lean

[@wdwenthusiast7068]

Ya know what was missing from the Villains Land (Villainsland?) announcement???? They are not including Bob Iger nor Kathleen Kennedy in the playing cards. What an oversight!!

[@ZanderHanna]

This land is for fictional villains. Not real life villains. Pherhaps your confused

[@kevinarnold7957]

I said the same thing 😂. I wish I had seen your comment first. But I think we are absolutely correct.

[@jonathanshaw9248]

@@kevinarnold7957and let’s not forget dmaro zeigler and the former head writer

[@USMC_1991]

A dirt track... "Disney dirt" sort of sums up the entirety of the Disney company.

[@grayrabbit2211]

Moving earth is VERY expensive... they're cheap. They'll likely close Rivers of America AND open the new ride outside the existing footprint. It's not like there aren't many empty, unused spaces in the parks already.

[@RoeShamBoe]

if they expand the park they have to pay higher property tax that is why they stay inside a certain boundary

[@TheGeronimojack]

In Las Vegas, we have a Natural history museum with several mechanical dinosaurs. If they combined their ride with the dinosaurs, it would sell a huge number of tickets. Have the vehicles self-driving SUVs driving around open country through patches of different dinos.

[@aaronfarnsworth7653]

Maybe put people in those Jurassic park hamster balls and tie-in with the movie?

[@ThemeParkZilver]

Disney: We can't seem to make a Dinosaur ride people like, so we are going to spent tons of money to retheme one of the areas that form the basis for Animal Kingdom to South America. (Without adding any animal exhibits) Also Disney: Designs a ride that is effectively legally distinct not copyrighted Jurassic Park. (The movie, not a water ride.) Get some animatronic Dinosaurs in sheltered areas to deal with weather issues (Caves, Fake Forest, etc.) and you have a Dinosaur ride unlike anything on the East Coast. If done with even an ounce of care it would print money. But, Disney hasn't exactly been good about effectively using money, have they? Add a small South America area? Nope. Demolish everything and start over. Genius.

[@zzzsleepingdragonzzz]

@@aaronfarnsworth7653I am betting Universal hasn’t done it yet because they haven’t overcome the stupid people getting stuck upside down factor yet! 🤣🤣🤣

[@kevinarnold7957]

I noticed in the Villains list, I did not see Bob Iger or Kathleen Kennedy. I think this is a major misstep and oversight on Disney’s behalf. This simple decision could make this attraction VERY popular! 🤣😂🤣😂

[@jonathanshaw9248]

Don’t forget Ziegler dmaro and the former head writrr

[@RonanBunny]

@@jonathanshaw9248 should we add Kevin Feige in there as well?

[@jonathanshaw9248]

@ don’t know I am not sure if he’s THAT bad he was the guy who headed the earlier phases of the mcu to

[@kalzium8857]

This ride system looks overengineered. It looks like something that already exists but unnessecary complicated.

[@joemazz958]

I'm sure the roadway will look something similar to the roadway in Kilimanjaro Safaris.

[@almostawesomewithwill9251]

And if this goes through i bet they will use this as a opportunity to get rid of the race track in tomorrow land. Disney now is looking at rides as pay to play. They want to maximize profits on a per ride basis. If a ride isn’t directly generating revenue then its on the chopping block.

[@hamdinger7145]

I like Lorn

[@lukelovell1055]

I’m very confused. D23 Brazil? What and why is that??? Not sure why they can’t figure out what those vehicles are. It’s called a golf cart 😆😆 also yes Disney is smoking stuff about using this video to advertise for the new ride how is it possibly relevant

[@ThemeParkZilver]

In regards to Villains Land. To be fair, Disney has a massive problem with announcing things too far in advance. To be honest, outside the most basic details they *shouldn't* be making concrete announcements for upcoming things. Galaxy's Edge was a disappointment, Avenger's Campus was a disappointment, Pixar Pier was a disappointment, Tiana's Bayou Adventure is a disappointment. They keep announcing things in detail and then fall drastically short on delivery. They should not be sharing concepts of things until the concept is 100% finalized and construction has started. (The way Epic Universe has done it.) The second problem is time table. They could announce the greatest attraction of all time but, if it is 3 years from construction and 7 from opening then who cares. If anything they are showing their hand to the competition to possibly beat them to opening. (Imagine if Universal added a ride like the planned cars ride but had it open in under 2 years.) This is all in a desperate attempt to keep shareholders from running. But, they are digging a deeper hole for dirt in hopes they can climb out. I am sure Epic Universe will be fun, but it won't be so great nobody goes back to Disney World. (It's Disney's own prices and policies that will see to that.) Point being, not everything Disney makes needs to the greatest attraction ever created. For example, the Voyage of the Little Mermaid is a great addition but it's just Haunted Mansion featuring Jodi Benson. For that matter, some of Disney's best rides are decades old. What they *do* need to do, is make sure when they announce something they deliver on what they announce. You can't get people excited and then under deliver, that is how you get people upset with rides that otherwise are perfectly fine. Nor can you announce something then take half a decade to add it, because at that point people have lost all the excitement. (See the King Thanos ride in Avenger's Campus.) Bottomline, Disney's problem is not new attractions or things to do in the parks. It is the constant degradation of the experience in the parks they already have, and the unreasonable increases in prices that never seem to stop. If they had just maintained what they already had they would not be in the position they are now, desperately throwing out concepts and announcements in hopes that they can convince investors they can get back on track. (While at the same time, refusing to correct the mistakes they have been making.)

[@animezilla4486]

In the long run we don't know if this is going to work on our only time will tell

[@ThemeParkZilver]

@@animezilla4486 Normal I would agree, the problem is Disney has had a continuous track record of under performance or extended wait. Tron, Guardians: Cosmic Rewind, Journey of Water and the Epcot make over took years to make. (With only Guardians being well received.) Avengers Campus in both Paris and Anaheim got downgraded from the concepts, Galaxy's Edge in Florida and Anaheim is the same. (Galaxy's Edge was so bad in fact they removed it from the Paris expansion entirely.) World of Frozen in Paris will have one ride, and won't get the Oaken Sliding Sleighs from Hong Kong. (Despite otherwise being a clone.) The point here isn't, will it work. My point is they shouldn't be making announcements like this. Even in the best case scenario, they will get people disappointed by what actually gets made. Take Avenger's Campus, originally it was meant to be a living world of superheroes. Each location, Anaheim, Paris, Hong Kong & the Cruise Ship were meant to be unique experiences. But, between concept and execution things changed. The Spider-man ride that everyone thought would be suspended to make you feel like you were swinging became just an upgraded Toy Story Mania. This would be duplicated for Paris without even taking the time to change the scenes. (Tivan Tower isn't in Paris for example and the Pym Kitchen looks different from Anaheim's.) In addition, Anaheim was intended to get a Quinjet ride which took you to Wakanda. (Still waiting on that over 5 years later.) Hong Kong is also short a ride with a coaster intended to take over the old Autopia area there. Like Galaxy's Edge the intended "Alive" area was reduced to occasional meet and greets and characters waving from a balcony. It doesn't matter how much I like what is in these areas, it is still a let down from what was promised. (And that will always have a negative effect on how I view the areas.) The same principle applies to Tiana's Bayou Adventure. For all the complaints of "isms" the simple fact is they didn't give us half of what they promised. They cut the boat in the tree, they cut Naveen from nearly every scene, they cut the brand new soundtrack and songs (plural) they promised. Beyond that, the concepts make the bayou look alive with critters and music like Splash was. Instead we have a small handful of things, playing songs from the film, even though it takes place after the film. Even the big drop scene was downgraded from what should have been a Dig A Little Deeper style showstopper to a tiny cameo from Mama Ode. I don't care if Splash or Tiana is "better," Tiana did not live up to the attraction they promised, and if for no other reason is a let down because of it. The one place Disney didn't let people down recently was the Anaheim ToonTown remake and that is largely due to the limited press and concept sharing it had before being open to the public. Again, my point isn't will it work. My point is they really need to keep the concepts and announcements limited until they have significantly more concrete plans to make it. You don't have to hate something to be disappointed. But as an entertainment company something Disney really doesn't want is a pattern of disappointment. Because eventually you get people expecting it. (Listen again to how some of the panelists talk in the video and you'll see what I mean.)

[@larryking9329]

Was in Magic Kingdom yesterday and it was packed. I was so far out in the parking lot, more trams were used than I have seen in a long time. We spent most of our time in Frontierland. Huck Finns island was a main reason for going and each raft was full on each way. Also finished our time in popular Hall of Presidents and yes Trump got a round of applause.

[@travisvanalst4698]

Disney needs to create a fifth park. It needs to be called “fantasy land” or something like that where they can throw in all their IPs for rides that don’t make any sense anywhere else. Sort of like how EU is doing. However, as a civil designer, I know that most of the surrounding land is wetlands. And according to federal law, if you remove wetland, you have to build wetland somewhere else in the area or state. So while removing 100 acres of wetland doesn’t seem like an issue, it’s a massive undertaking as they now have to find more wetland to build do to the wetland reserve and conservation laws. Not to mention most of those wetlands catch the water drainage from the parks. So removing 100acres of water retention means that you have to be able to distribute infrastructure in order to handle the excess water drainage. DeSantis has made it a bit more difficult on the RCID (or whatever it’s called now) to just do what they want over there at Disney. They would need more than $17bil to create something like that. That being said, I still think that’s the best idea as they can incorporate all kinds of IPs and rides and have way more room than ruining the Magic at Magic Kingdom.

[@JRH-1007]

What gets here has less to do with The Bob Iger Company not willingly backing off of their horrendously destructive project and more to do with how they’re still saying construction will begin on it next year when the permit issues have yet to be sorted out. Not only does it show the sheer hubris they possess in regard to their standing with the state, but it also shows that they’ll continue to lie about being “shovel ready” when they don’t have full control over that anymore. Even if they do somehow get their way with this in the end, these kind of announcements only contribute to their worsening reputation as a respectable organization.

[@hexenhammer483]

Mechanically its doable. By why a dirt track? Do it on a nascar oval. But if you do an Oval. Make it an all LED tunnel ride where you're in the middle of the race, and the cart can move to the left and right on the track

[@larrywells5908]

They use underground wire-guided technology like this in factories for order picking equipment that I've drove before but it's been on a nice smooth concrete floor at very slow speeds compared but if you where to bounce any and lose your signal from The Wire or something blocked the signal from The Wire long enough for the car to just go careening off to who knows where there's not enough safety and not enough preventive measures to allow you to do that safely at any kind of speed that would be fun

[@calebramey]

I live in Alabama. There are people that go harder than this in side by sides every weekend.

[@MadsterV]

Mining industries have been using robot trucks for ages, networked and GPS guided. Very reliable. Disney already has a ride without rails, controlled wirelessly, which runs without issues. Heavy rain is going to be an issue here though.

[@maxbrandt6]

Go for it, Disney! Go for it! Fill in the Rivers of America, tear down the Liberty Bell. Make your dirt track ride in warm, wet Florida, DO IT!

[@club23world]

The Villains line up doesn't look very Inclusive does it

[@jonathanshaw9248]

Jafar is in it. You know the guy from agrabah? Aka Arabia?

[@xxDubsy]

im surprised they haven't declared jafar as problematic and took him out yet

[@jonathanshaw9248]

Why? They haven’t even had any problem with Aladdin yet. Or jasmine. Or mulan. Or like you know the whole half of Disney characters that are from different cultures?!

[@jonathanshaw9248]

I HIGHLY doubt they would erase HALF of the Disney canon. Even they aren’t THAT stupid.

[@xxDubsy]

@@jonathanshaw9248 dont underestimate how stupid disney is

[@OakForestBoys]

Hiding in Brazil won't save you

[@calimom3lestudios931]

I thought after what happened to Disney's little number 53 (Herbie), those disney workers in favor of bringing Cars Land to WDW would've been smart enough to know that hiding will only make their inevitable backlash more painful...

[@wbsouthton]

Hahahaha, “ there are no new villains.” So true.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jonathanshaw9248]

Well unless you count magnifico from wish but then again no one watches that movie

[@jonathanshaw9248]

Besides the old villains are definitely popular enough in my opinion

[@jonathanshaw9248]

Oh but also turbo from wreck it Ralph Hans from frozen and Ernesto de la Cruz from coco

[@jonathanshaw9248]

Not sure if bellwether counts because she was so out of left field

[@silicondave2797]

I still think that the River is "leaking" and compromising the surrounding land. Specifically Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.

[@larrywells5908]

You can say what you want but I know and you know that Disney has some of the most terrifying, horrible, horrific villains that ever existed. And they go by the collective name paying customers that aren't showing up

[@randomusernameCallin]

Reminds me of the first Kingdom Heart.

[@cobaltfog]

A motorcycle track might be their best money-maker after Universal eats their lunch.

[@Andrew-nh5zg]

Since Disney is stuck appealing mostly to Disney adults, why not host flotilla events in the Rivers of America during slow seasons?

[@newdgamer4118]

They should just do a nice easy Cars themed ferris wheel. Stick to their skill level

[@OakForestBoys]

Everything about this ride is a mechanical nightmare. That and taking away Walts ambiance

[@DeejonLoy]

I missed the memo: WHAT's the "problem" with Dr. Falcier?

[@jonathanshaw9248]

True though that’s not to say the ones they got ARENT popular which they ARE by the way

[@joemazz958]

They haven't developed this land yet!!!!

[@jeffreymurray2251]

Disney should go head and built VILLIANS LAND,for right now and built CARSLAND later on.Sense they problems have permit problems.If Disney was smart they need to break ground on VILLIANS LAND in 25, as the same time as TROPICAL AMERICANS in the Animal Kingdom If Disney have both land done in 27, it would great Encounter to UNIVERSAL

[@teekho101]

Pros exasperation cracks me up lol

[@Synthicate-q7e]

Can aswell just go and rent an atv from local dude and go and knock myself out on dirt track, zero reasons to go for ride like that to Disney park. Doubt it's much appealing to people who live in city and allmost never leave either but what do I know, if big daddy Iger says its good idea it must be.

[@skunkman9815]

We need to stop them

[@jenniferh1416]

The villains were in the game of were in Sorcerer's of the Magic Kingdom (SOTK) game. The heroes were on the cards to defeat the villains in the games. I still have all of the common trading cards which were gifted in the park for playing rounds in MK. There were party cards given each year at Mickey's Not So Scary and the Mickey's Christmas events. There were also special cards one might get with a purchase of small pack of cards.

[@joemazz958]

If you really pay attention, it's two different dirt tracks.

[@USMC_1991]

Too bad Richard Kiley passed away. Disney could have hired him to narrate the ride, and spared no expense.

[@MoiveGuy24]

People might not like it now but when it’s all built and running, people are gonna love it because it’s cars and kids love the cars movies so it’ll be a place where kids wanna go they’ll see lightning McQueen and be like oh I want to go over there and see him, so I’m excited for this cars land and the cars ride cause then at least we’ll have a cars area on this end of the coast because California has a car land so why not Disney World also Rise of the resistance is an awesome ride! 😊

[@vrghr]

10 years from now (if that fast) when Disney finally rolls the first car on that track, the "Kids" today are going to be 20-30 years old and won't care a whit about a cartoon car, or at least not enough to pay an extra 20$ to skip the line to see it. And the real kids won't know who Lightning is, because Disney won't have put out a new film or series to introduce him to them since before they were born!

[@machomachoduck2096]

If they’re not going to announce the return of Splash Mountain, a Disney Afternoon land, a Hercules themed attraction or a completely new and original concept with no ties to any previous franchise or movie, then I’m not interested

[@MostlyInteresting]

FL is more sandy than muddy. I guess you guys are not familiar with the GPS guided AG tractors that can follow a track within a fraction of a inch. So its likely doable but does it make sense, no. BTW those "cars" are commonly called side by side ATVs. Super popular for AG use.

[@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112]

I guess you could say that speedy trackless ride on dirt is gonna be a DIRT-y idea! Eh? Eh? 😂

[@cforte0423]

I disagree with you on this one. If it maintains the same speed, it is a massive leap

[@cforte0423]

But I doubt it will

[@kkraut]

Disney is really putting out farts that no one cares to breathe in. The fetishists of pixie dusters love it but most people don’t.

[@Cheezbat]

I’d rather have the slot car ride system over this. This looks slow and boring. If you wanna put a slow and boring Cars ride in, put it in place of the SPEEDWAY.

[@venusdistorted5170]

If it's supposed to be Cars related, why not just do Radiator Springs Racers like at California Adventure. It's such a great ride, especially at night. They already know it works and it'd be cheaper to build since they've done it before. :}

[@cmo0307]

Lol so having a side x side atv as a Disney ride. Heck my in-laws have one I’ll be charging for anyone interested in the experience!

[@venusdistorted5170]

The cars look like Gators. :}

[@machomachoduck2096]

Wait, no iconic Disney villains like King Magnifico, that lamb character from Zootopia, or that girl from that movie with the blue dragon!? I mean, Cruella de Vil and Jafar, who cares about lame villains like that? 🤣

[@jonathanshaw9248]

Really now? Magnifico was kinda cool with his song but bellwether was to left field to put in this properly in my opinion. As for namaari she is more of an anti villain. I am sure they know what they are doing with these villain they are putting in the land even they know what people would like.

[@jonathanshaw9248]

And besides bellwether already has a ride in zootopia at Shanghai why does she need another?

[@jonathanshaw9248]

Though I wouldn’t entirely mind if they added Hans from frozen, turbo from wreck it Ralph, and Ernesto de la Cruz from coco

[@RonanBunny]

NAH, no one gives a rats butt about the sheep from Zootopia even I don’t as someone who really loves Zootopia. It’s actually my second favorite Disney movie if you do not factor in all the other assets, I mean, I guess it would be fine if she would come for Oogie boogie bash, but not for an entire land

[@jonathanshaw9248]

@@RonanBunny exactly I wouldn’t mind turbo from wreck it Ralph or Hans from frozen or enresto de la Cruz from coco though

[@Banjo_Tails]

Over analyzing a test of concept idea video much. It's obvious this wouldn't be an in park ride for guests.

[@chachifeere]

There’s no way they will have it be able to let people drive it on they’re own