Disney Lorcana First Impressions - with Tom Vasel

[@JP-1990]

"The ink has to dry" That's hillarious. I love it.

[@Juggalozen]

The playing of cards as Ink, the direct attacking of Glimmers, and the permanent damage is very reminiscent of the World of Warcraft TCG from years back. I truly enjoyed that game.

[@svachalek]

That was such a great game, really didn’t get the love it deserved.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

@@svachalek well they morphed it into Hearthstone, but that is not a physical CCG.

[@GambitsEnd]

Warcraft TCG was one of my favorite card games. Real shame it fizzled out. Had some clever ideas.

[@markusbiewer2756]

This was my favorite TCG of all time, used to join many tournaments together with my son. So many good memories.

[@FordDisk]

Heh, and here I'm thinking "oh this reminds me of the Babylon 5 CCG". That was also an incredibly enjoyable game.

[@whiteshark17]

So stoked to get my hands on this. My only concern is actually being able to get product at launch.

[@LastCallForShaw.v2]

My local game stores said they are getting a very limited shipment. They said normally they can order 1000 units and for Locana they were only able to get a hold of....12. They said launch will be a nightmare over here in Michigan.

[@whiteshark17]

@Mark Shaw That is my concern. I'm wondering if it is because so much product has been ordered by big box retailers. Either way I feel they underproduced this first print run. Hopefully they are ramping up.

[@GambitsEnd]

Initial launch will be rough. My local card store isn't even sure how much they can get, but they were nice enough to get me to put my name down for a pre-pre-order for when they get allotment details in June.

[@miker6570]

The way the game is described is kinda like a more family friendly form of magic.

[@beliffywu5804]

more like a lame version

[@morekiemadness222]

Exactly

[@ianw0ng]

you have many people in your studio. im sure we'll all be fine if u would just take a rest for a few days. get well soon, tom. ❤

[@maxducoudray]

I’m sure Tom knows how to manage his schedule with a cold after all these years!

[@srpad]

As he was explaining the rules I was thinking, "This sounds kind of like Keyforge" and then Tom said the same thing...

[@LEMONBOY4]

After years of trying to get my GF to play magic with no success, She asked me if we could try this game. I was lucky enough to get some starter decks at launch with some boosters and we have been playing everyday since. Game is very fun and easy to get into

[@KingMePlease3]

This was my #1 most anticipated this year and already played some games with my kids using proxies. This game is going to be a hit.

[@TheHeirof50]

If Keyforge and Lorcana are comparable, I'll stick with Keyforge at $12.99 for a playable deck whereas I've heard $6 for 12 random card booster packs in Lorcana.

[@Patronux]

Wow, that is expensive. Magic boosters are $4 for 15 card boosters.

[@TheHeirof50]

@@Patronux I wish I could remember which KZbinr had that info but I had to rewind a couple times to make sure I heard him right.

[@LiterallyUnplayable]

They aren’t comparable, at all.

[@TheHeirof50]

@@LiterallyUnplayable I didn't compare, just bouncing off what Tom and other KZbinrs are saying. I haven't played it but I think some are looking at the surface level of win conditions. 20 lore or 18 base aember for a win generated from a board of characters by tapping.

[@danielfontecchio9222]

I was thinking the same thing except Keyforge kind of took a nose dive with covid. Still hopeful that the set that got kickstarted will be enough to bring it back though.

[@elijahchouinard-jahant5138]

The hype is definitely there. I work at a game store in New Mexico, USA and we should out of our first batch in a day, and nearly sold out of our second batch when it arrived. I hope a community can build around the game.

[@Nic1700]

I think ruleset is simple enough kids will be able to understand the rules of the game and make legal plays. But I think there is enough depth with the choices of what cards to put in inkwell, what to play, and how to sequence your actions that it will appeal to older or medium weight gamers.

[@michaelh.1484]

This game is definitely close to Duel Masters/Kaijudo's game mechanics, which doesn't surprise me Ryan Miller being the product manger & co-designer. The only difference is the lore points and first to 20 wins. Which sounds close to magic the gathering's life system. As opposed to Kaijudo's cards for life system where it was break 5 face down cards, and then 1 direct attack won the game.

[@revimfadli4666]

Finally a major western TCG with that kind of resource, tired of the "either you copy Magic lands or remove resources entirely" mindset around Yes there's FaB, but it's different enough to not imply that Magic-style tapped resources can come from alternate card use

[@sergioperez2771]

I'm not sure if the game will have the staying power to persist for more than 1-2 years (and it may very well), but it's going to be bonkers upon release. There's absolutely no chance whatsoever Ravensburger has a high enough print run for the first set to keep up with demand. LGSs in my area are already starting preorders at $250-$300/booster box; allocation is reportedly quite severe.

[@redheadmedia7901]

The amount of potential in this game is limitless. They have an endless well of potential franchises. I know they won't do this, but imagine how cool it would be to go into a Disney film and they give out free promos based on the film youre going to see. Awesome!! Not to mention all the potential out of Disney animation, like Star Wars, Pixar, Marvel, etc. I cannot wait for this game. Just sucks i don't have a playgroup interested

[@Lazarithe]

I’m surprised at happy to see all of the Keyforge support in this comment section! I will be trying both this summer but my heart will always belong to Keyforge ❤.

[@shanebell1]

Will the first box worth keeping unopened to sell later?

[@DrMcFly28]

I have ethical issues with CCGs aimed at children. Stuff like Panini stickers have already risen in price so much kids can very easily spend ludicrous amounts of their allowance trying to complete a simple sticker album... I can only imagine how much a Disney product such as this might cost, and how much money the kids might start sinking into it.

[@thedicetower]

I'm pretty sure this is aimed at families, not children. This isn't pokemon.

[@TheManofDew]

The other thing is that Disney has stated there are no exclusive cards per se. All cards can be obtained through booster packs and each pack has at least 2 rare/super rare/legendary and a random foil. They also are not doing 1st editions so people stockpile and they plan to do multiple runs of the “chapters” so people late to the party won’t feel left out from certain cards. Sounds like they are doing a decent job of keeping it family friendly. Only problem is they have waaay underestimated the amount of demand.

[@darrenhazelden2340]

@@thedicetower If it's aimed at families then it IS aimed at children.

[@wingzero771]

@@darrenhazelden2340they have to defend Disney their revenue depends on it 😂

[@kevinb5417]

​@@thedicetowerMy guy, they're selling gambling and speculative investment to children. Families will play it because their children want to buy it. Never mind the massive swathe of obsessive Disney collectors who will sink thousands into this product. You can enjoy TCG's and still acknowledge that they are in fact gambling, and are in fact often targeted at children.

[@vidfreak727]

I have yet to see this game at stores

[@daniellb2198]

After watching this, I think the game will have a way lower impact on the hobby board game world than expected... But if it brings more kids to the hobby, welcome!

[@RetroMaticGamer]

That's the thing. It's not for us niche turbo-nerds - it's for the mainstream. If Lorcana is too complex, it'll get crushed by Magic & Yugioh before it ever gets off the ground. But if the game is simple enough to learn and play, it could blow up like the Pokemon TCG did back in 1998 and end up becoming an unstobbable household name. IF Ravensburger can keep up with supply & demand issues, which is where I myself am concerned.

[@CyberXShinobi]

I'll be looking forward to playing Keyforge Winds of Exchange instead.

[@rorobear1940]

Foaming at the mouth for this game, August can’t come soon enough

[@adamholt5395]

I'm excited to try this game out. My wife, who isn't in to TCGs, really wants to play this game.

[@NegativePro]

As a competitive YuGiOh player, I agree, we need more simple TCGs in circulation. Most YuGiOh locals consists of college teens and 30 year olds, as a result, the locals scene isn't very friendly to newcomers compared to say pokemon where I've seen both Kids AND their parents both compete and it leads to a more friendly environment.

[@prototypep4]

Yugioh lost me when it started adding all that xyz/pendulum bullshit. The original game and especially chaos/goat format was peak.

[@OhHaiMe]

I'm very interested to try this but I think that Disney collectors/Scalpers are going to buy up all the stock and it will be impossible to afford for people who actually want to play it.

[@Clappincardboard]

This is exactly what is going to happen.

[@zachcarmichael699]

Not if Disney pushes out enough product and keeps doing so to prevent a shortage from ever happening. Can't scalp a product that you can easily walk in a Walmart and buy. That's why the PS5/Xbox scalping has stopped.

[@Gentlyusedcivic]

Probably just with the initial release. They have like 6 or 7 new sets coming over the next 2 years. They’re going to pump some supply into the market.

[@markusbiewer2756]

I'm surely excited about this, but at the same time I'm wary because it is a TCG. Still have tons of cards from the World of Warcraft TCG. Will buy a starter or two to test it for sure.

[@soulside]

I’m not familiar with collectible card games. Will there be certain cards that are rare and hard to get?

[@stefanopaolini1345]

Yes, also could be pretty expensive

[@marks6928]

Yep, that’s pretty much the whole business model. The most desirable cards are rarer so people buy lots of booster packs trying to find them. Cards in some Collectable Card Games can go for thousands of dollars. Totally possible to just buy two starter decks and play those forever and never buy anything else, but these games make huge amounts of money from people buying booster packs.

[@Xammblu_Games]

Yes! Here's what each 12 card booster pack will contain: 6 common cards 3 uncommon cards 2 rare, super rare, or legendary cards 1 foil card (random rarity level) So say you pick up 3 booster packs while shopping and open them. You would own 18 common cards and only a total of 6 of the rare, super rare or legendary ones.

[@nshaw1299]

It would be weird to call a CCG that just started 'too simple'. They ALWAYS increase in complexity as time passes. They have to, otherwise it won't be a CCG.

[@dippendots69]

Came here to say this! Simplicity is most likely just from the limited scope of this first set and the fact these were demo or starter decks. New mechanics expanded upon in future sets and complexity going up is what all CCGs end up doing.

[@DedoPorno]

If such games don't start simple enough they can't be powercrept with new stuff. This games is designed to be milked for a long, LONG time.

[@Legitster]

This game is going to print so much money.

[@TabletopToolbox]

This is a very accurate statement. :)

[@eeveestrainer4677]

Well, look at that now I have something new to waste my money on.HOORAY!😂

[@armageddon_gaming]

This game has a lot of similarities to duel masters and I love it. Maybe this is how I get my wife into the realm of trading card games

[@rb4551]

I have several questions: -Do cards have rarity? I didnt see any indications in the pictures that they did. If not, are they easy to acquire? IE: Just buy a bunch of pre-made decks and get all the content? But you mentioned boosters so it makes me think there may be a rarity element (IE: spend tons of money to get rares) -Does it play at more than 2 player? And if so, does it play well at more than 2 players? Thats my biggest thing. I really dont care for card games that are 1v1 I really enjoy 2v2 modes or other stuff like commander with multiple players although I stopped playing magic like 20 years ago.

[@yotelex]

Yes, they have rarity, 5 levels of rarity. Common, Uncommon, Rare, Super Rare, and Legendary (I think those are the names). The cards have icons (bottom center) to show rarity. All versions of the cards can also be normal or foil. 12 card Booster distribution is 6 Common / 3 Uncommon / 3 cards which can be Rare or above. One of twelve cards will be foil. The game is also designed to be multi-player, from 2 to 4 players. This is part of the design, multi-player is not a bolt-on, it was initially designed to handle 2 to 4. Not teams, but 2 to 4 player competitive.

[@rb4551]

@@yotelex much appreciated.

[@danregalff]

A couple slight corrections to the reply above. The foil slot can be any rarity. There are only 2 rare+ slots. And there is no limit on multiplayer numbers.

[@jcortes06]

I'm very excited for this game! Also, I love the gummy bear tie!

[@FMD-FullMetalDragon]

This sounds really similar to the old WoW TCG.

[@RetroMaticGamer]

I would hope so - that was a FANTASTIC game!

[@BoxOfFear]

Yeah, especially the part about the Ink. Using face down cards as resources is direct from WoW TCG.

[@MrNemitri]

I wonder if it will have multiplayer support/playability.

[@TheManofDew]

I’m pretty sure it will. There are certain cards that use verbiage that suggest you get to choose a particular opponent or opponents. Forget which card but I’d be very surprised if they don’t especially since the game is more a race to 20 rather than getting your opponent to 0.

[@rorobear1940]

It does - there’s multiplayer rules in the quick start guide they released. They also said there will be a draft/limited format

[@revimfadli4666]

Even if it doesn't, some people familiar with the game can "houserule" it into existence like Magic judges did with EDH

[@Wabajck]

The scraps of the WoW TCG with Disney paint on top

[@phelan_pt]

How do you feel about lootboxes in kids/family videogames? I'm surprised not to hear anything about the problems with tcgs in this video. I hope you definitely cover that when the dice tower does a longer preview or review. From where I'm standing, it's sadly looking like someone found a way to print cocaine and sell it to kids :/

[@thedicetower]

Well, 1) I think more adults will buy this than kids, and 2) Pokemon already exists.

[@daem0nfaust]

I really hope this remain accessible to kids and fams who want to casually game. I mean, I hope the hobby market don't corner it so much.

[@Gentlyusedcivic]

I think hobby will go after chapter 1 pretty hard. Subsequent releases I think will get easier and easier to pick up. Good thing the second set comes out just 3 months after the first.

[@GambitsEnd]

Initial supply will likely be rough, but they've already mentioned they plan on ample reprints to avoid missing out.

[@revimfadli4666]

Scalpers are what I'm worried about

[@KMK72]

This game would be even better if Disney included characters and items from their extensive library like Star Wars, The Muppets, Pixar & Marvel.

[@JDGartandmusic]

Can't wait for Disney Lorcana. And speaking of KeyForge, Winds of Exchange also coming out this year. Very excited for both! :)

[@Lazarithe]

It’s a great year for racing card games indeed! I’m most pumped for Keyforge relaunch tho.

[@GambitsEnd]

Looking forward to KeyForge, was part of the Kickstarter!

[@vidfreak727]

Is it made by Bandai?

[@JDGartandmusic]

@@vidfreak727KeyForge was originally made by FFG (designed by Richard Garfield), then Ghost Galaxy bought the IP

[@daniellloyd6192]

Disney Keyforgeeeeee

[@alexanderpopov3587]

Disney-branded money sink, suitable for kids (which makes it even bigger money sink)

[@JonReid01]

Is there a multiplayer game mode?!

[@tsilver33]

Yes

[@kennychan6645]

I was excited when I saw this one. But somehow when I saw that it’s basically another magic the gathering I kind of felt like…oh it’s yet another typical tcg again.

[@TabletopToolbox]

That's Disney. They copy ideas to make some money and then abandon them once the hype wears off.

[@revimfadli4666]

At least it doesn't fall into the "single use resource cards or no resource at all" trap

[@Sadarac152]

Did you see Grand Archive while at GAMA? Curious to what your thoughts on that game are

[@sergioperez2771]

Don't know that Tom is into CCGs enough to have checked it out, but that game is exploding in my local area, and the game is really, really good. For a Kickstarter TCG, it's especially impressive. I think it has the most potential for broader success compared to all of the KS TCGs within the past couple years (and there have been quite a lot of them). It has the elements necessary to succeed - great gameplay mechanics, strategic versatility, engaging tactical interaction, fantastic art, excellent graphic design, a solid plan for future development, robust organized play plans, and intense attention from the dev team with frequent community interaction and feedback. The folks at Weebs of the Shore are definitely doing it right!

[@CB-yh3db]

You lost me at “collectible card game” but I’m sure it will have a good sized following.

[@zachcarmichael699]

Depends how much Disney is willing to invest in organized play. Leagues and tournaments could really make it successful on the same levels as something like Pokemon, if done right. But there has to be enough depth in the game itself with a diverse metagame for TCG players to convert.

[@MikeC389]

Tom finds theme in this game (deservedly so) but can't see the theme in Marvel Champions... "I say balderdash!"

[@patrickaquilone]

I am very interested but highly concerned that lord sprinting would become the predominant way of winning removing player interaction. If that happens they I would not be interested. That is why I did not like Villainous because you can basically ignore other players.

[@SketchingHands]

It’s Duel Masters rebranding for a 3rd time but with Disney

[@clumsydad7158]

oh really, ok

[@mrbastos]

I'm excited for this one, and was glad to see the rules weren't too complex. Just enough to be interesting for older players, but with my young daughter I'm sure she will be interested as soon as she sees the art (she already likes watching me play Marvel Snap because of Spidey and friends). She's a bit young for it, but I think it'll be a fun link and hopefully get her more interested in board games. I have some pre-ordered and hope I can get the starters to jump start playing with friends and teach them.

[@thatScotland]

It’s great for kids multiplayer is amazing.

[@Brekekekiwi]

Is multiplayer just the same game, but you each take your turn after the other? Or is there some other twist? I hope it is the first option, that will be easy to teach my girls

[@thatScotland]

@@Brekekekiwi this isn't official rules but we just go in a circle and you can challenge whomever you want, it is a very kid friendly version and lets weaker players team up to slow down someone who is far ahead. after there is 1 winner we usually go for 2nd, 3rd ect, but it's up to your group.

[@boardgamequeens]

Tom looks sick or like he’s having an allergic reaction. Hope he’s okay.

[@NerfThisBoardGames]

Seasonal allergies for sure 😢

[@RvLeshrac]

I know you mean well, but don't comment on how someone looks in a video, unless the video's about that.

[@wolflarson71]

Kind of gross and distracting to be honest. Should have waited longer to do the review.

[@ElizaShakiraMassani]

Welp….. now Disney has more of a reason to make me use mo eh lol just to collect them lol

[@GGdeTOURS37]

Not for my family at all > Endless buying games (like magic) > No thanks!

[@mienzillaz]

Red door and blue wall.. my eyes

[@TabletopToolbox]

This is exactly what Disney did with infinity - they essentially copied the idea of another IP (Skylanders) and then the moment the hype died down, they dumped it. Don't forget too - the moment their movies stopped selling, they'd put them in the "vault" until demand was high enough before re-releasing them. Disney will make several million in sales on Lorcana. They'll release 3, maybe 4 add-ons (OBVIOUSLY Marvel and Star Wars will debut at some point) and then the moment one expansion sells drastically less than the previous one - POOF - it'll be gone. This - like every other non-cinematic thing Disney has ever done, will be a flash in the pan.

[@cincydooley]

So what you’re saying is I won’t have to buy forever. Sweet.

[@Draffut2003]

"Most anticipated" Literally never heard of this thing.

[@thedicetower]

That's easily possible, for sure. But there's no question that amongst the gaming business and community, this game will be HUGE. That doesn't guarantee success! But it will, for at least a short while, do VERY well for game stores.

[@aerouge4492]

Ugh why does it need to be a TCG/CCG instead of LCG? I am burned out on these "buy another booster" slot-machines ... I wanna make an informed buying decision instead of gambling when it comes to gameing. Plus I dont want 50 copies of Olaf lying around...

[@Snarkysean]

You can always buy singles.

[@aerouge4492]

@@Snarkysean oh really? I need to pay huge markups because Ravensburger decided the best cards are "rare"? Cool ... I wonder why Netrunner didnt need that ...

[@Snarkysean]

​@@aerouge4492 No need to be sassy. If you don't want 50 copies of commons lying around then you can purchase playsets of them for what will be much cheaper than a single pack and just buy what you need for a deck. LCGs are also my preferred model but we live in such a time where it's very easy to set your limit on spend for a CCG and just buy what you want/need for the deck you're looking to build. If you're not trying to be hyper-competitive in your LGS' standard format then there's no reason to spend a ton of money on one deck if you don't want to. Not saying you have to like the model or that its without its criticisms, but it's absolutely possible to engage CCGs on a budget and still have fun within their systems, especially as time goes on.

[@aerouge4492]

@@Snarkysean You are absolutely right but I really detest what's beeing pulled off here. Everybody knows that TCG's are so close to gambling that the line is hard to see. And now we have a TCG aimed at kids ... The argument for buying just what you need depends on a sufficiently large secondary market to supply those cards... will this develop for this game? And how are those markets supplied? Yup by those that buy the boosters. So sombody does need to gamble or there are no singles (unless Ravensburger would offer them). And no you dont only need new cards for a competative meta. Deckbuilding and strategizing is a huge part of the fun in these types of games. Buying two starter decks turns stale fast ... and that is by design...

[@lordxmugen]

the problem with LCGs though is that the moment you cant "keep up" with the monthly distribution model, youre done. And any new player that wants to get into to play and experience the meta with other players they have to often pay MORE than it would cost just to play the deck(s) they like. Its why LCGs are typically only for Single player/Co-Op PVE games. Because you dont have to care about getting an expansion unless you really want it. but for PVP games, theyre just a harder sell than a TCG unless its done like Ashes where you get full decks to play with instead of just some barebones monthly "pack".

[@JhoffDJ.]

How many players?

[@nova_crush8209]

1 vs 1

[@tsilver33]

Any number.

[@nicka.9057]

I believe they said it would allow for multiple players.

[@yotelex]

The game is designed to be multi-player, from 2 to 4 players. This is part of the design, multi-player is not a bolt-on, it was initially designed to handle 2 to 4. Not teams, but 2 to 4 player competitive.

[@b.c.eckhoff3495]

I’m excited!

[@vonwoolf9963]

The mana system is like Duel masters, which is nice.

[@clumsydad7158]

i'm seeing packs $14.95, $17.95 ... oh disney, my my ... no gracias

[@Clappincardboard]

Disappointed that you guys called sorcery tcg a cash grab when this game is literally just a cash grab.

[@thedicetower]

Ah, well I played this one. How do you know it's a cash grab? How do you not know that the designer and company put effort into the game?

[@Clappincardboard]

@@thedicetower well for one Disney is one of the greediest companies out there. They are also making collectors boxes for this game which are just cards already in the game just foil versions of them. Packs are 6 dollars a piece. The game doesn’t really bring anything unique other than game terms. It’s fine if you liked the game after playing it but trashing another game when you didn’t look into it all and calling it a cash grab when another game clearly seems like way more of a cash grab and with alot less originality just unfair. I read as much as I could and watched as many vids as I could on sorcery before backing it. Ive played alot of ccgs and sorcery looks like a way more unique experience than lorcana and didn’t need the ip to do well.

[@Looc105]

@@thedicetower I see nothing wrong with Lorcana but with the expensive packs and the gameplay being very similar to magic and other games I can definitely see it as a cash grab. But at the end of the day everyone wants their project to be successful. The difference with Sorcery is every card is hand painted by a commissioned artist, an ode to the old d&d style and people that loved that look from back in the day. The game is way different than anything I’ve ever played or seen in the card game realm. And even with that, the packs aren’t $6 a piece and they come with 15 cards instead of 12. Disney is able to capitalize because of the IP. Sorcery made something original and it was a success. Unfortunately, other tcgs on kickstarter look like absolute hot garbage and still make money which doesn’t make sense to me. It however makes perfect sense that Sorcery is the highest grossing tcg kickstarter because you can see the effort and time put into it.

[@Gentlyusedcivic]

@@Looc105 ravensburger is the developer and publisher of lorcana. It’s not direct from Disney.

[@rorobear1940]

@@Clappincardboard there are no collectors boxes - you’re think of the D23 collector sets, which were just promo cards sold at the D23 expo. This game is published by Ravensburger, not by Disney. Please stop spreading misinformation and commenting on things you know nothing about just because you hate Disney

[@pitschuela]

Hello Dice Tower? Did any of you had the opportunity to learn more about Sorcey Contested Realm? Its another TCG that broke records last year (more than 4M in Kickstarter) with hand drawn art, board game mecanics and a lot of MTG vintange feels. I am a "board gamer" but the art and the gameplay is so ambitious that and ended up backing it. I would really like to know the opinion from someone coming from the boardgame background. Thank you!

[@EBHawellsGames]

Not a disney fan. Although, disney collectible cards that also do something besides sit around in a book are still better than baseball cards.

[@matthewholland2816]

I thought we were already saturated with Disney Villainous; this just seems blah :/

[@JonTripp115]

Disneyforge

[@joeferreti9442]

I can only recommend to anyone to stay away from TCGs/CCGs! . . . Pay to win, power creep, price spikes then printed into the ground after you bought it, lots of wasted time and money, rooms full of boxes full of cards, addiction, FOMO, greed, ... even bad for the environment with all the unnecessarily printed cards and lots of packaging and not to mention the constant need for masses of card sleeves. If you really want something like that then better only in digital: saves spaces, saves time and effort, maybe cheaper or even free-to-play, ..., even better for the environment. Just an advice.

[@kenaguasa7305]

Hello Disney Execs watching this. I would love to see your reaction video :)

[@marks6928]

This game is going to make a ton of money, I think.

[@joeferreti9442]

Maybe for a year and then it will vanish, I think.

[@DarthP00P00]

I feel like this game will make a big splash but its waves will diminish sooner then expected. People's animosity twards Disney is growing every year. With corporate executives making asses of themselves during the strike, mid level recent films, and ludicrously expensive amusement park attractions that only cater to lottery ticket winners... People seem to be moving on from them. I don't think this'll tear away MTG gamers who's life savings are in their collections. Its not as dark and gritty, adults probably won't care to play it, and kids can't afford to keep up with it unless they have a steady job. Like I said it'll sell like hot cakes at first but i think it'll lose steam within a year or two like SW Destiny.

[@clumsydad7158]

you could very well be right, of course ... looks expensive as hell, of course

[@QuadratAugenFresse]

My gf will finally play mtg with me…

[@edwardlasso3092]

Attacking only cards that have been exhausted is not from Magic the Gathering but rather from the Transformers TCG

[@FordDisk]

It's been used in a lot of TCGs. Was a mechanic in the Babylon 5 card game back in the 90s.

[@revimfadli4666]

Yeah isn't taking attacks with creatures opt-in in MtG? So you can just take the damage if you wanna keep those 1/1s alove(assuming no removal)

[@edwardlasso3092]

I meant only being able to target exhausted cards was not an MTG mechanism. In MTG, you attack the player and they decide to block or not. In this game and Transformers TCG you can only target other cards if they are exhausted.

[@armageddon_gaming]

Attacking exhausted cards was also in duel masters

[@rams321]

Most anticipaded game? Just heard about it today from tik tok and people comparing it with pkemon and mtg. This is hilarious how disney ia buying clout.

[@DrRasputin2012]

Couldn't be less excited about this cash grab. Since when does Disney allow gambling for children?

[@christopherjakel1049]

Probably since they allowed gambling on children.

[@RvLeshrac]

@@christopherjakel1049 ?

[@geoffreydowdle5751]

Hahaha more complex than Pokemon, you're hilarious. What you just described was still much easier than pokemon

[@DeltaDemon1]

Never heard of it.

[@thedicetower]

Yes you have. Now!

[@Thestar17x]

Its pretty much a magic clone which sucks

[@thedicetower]

Well, it's NOT a Magic clone. What are the similarities, other than a collectible card game? That's like saying Catan is a clone of Monopoly.

[@bamboozledgreatcrowd8982]

LOL!! Keyforge! The game is dead. I give it 2 seasons then life support.

[@AndreasD19]

more complex than pokemon, yeah sure ok. Game seems too boring

[@mustardketchup]

No Disney

[@raysandrarexxia941]

Disney MTG, got it

[@christopherjakel1049]

Not interested in giving Disney any money. Hope they go out of business.

[@christopherjakel1049]

@@nicka.9057 I don't know. They lost over 44% stock (a.k.a. $128 billion in market cap) last year alone and are laying off people left and right. If this continues, they might get rolled up by another corporation. Technically it's surviving but only in shame.

[@AmbrotosArkhon]

@@christopherjakel1049 Disney spiked over the pandemic. Their "loss" was just them returning to pre-pandemic levels that they maintained from 2015-2019. Disney isn't really hurting especially considering that they own Marvel and Star Wars among other IPs.

[@williamsimkulet7832]

The game rules seem fair enough, but from the sound of it this isn't draftable. If it's not draftable, then there's going to be a large difference between "casual" games and "competitive" games, which is not a good thing. 6 "colors" seems like 1-3 too many, and from what we've seen, I'm not sure of the flavor of each color. MTG and Pokemon each have fewer colors, and resource cards, which help them to balance limited and make the flavor clear. Finally, the flavor of having multiples of the same character seems like a big mistake. I think maybe doing a MTG Grandeur-esque mechanic to encourage 4-ofs without having multiples on the field at the same time would have been the way to go. I'm also not a fan of having to reveal your resources because some of the cards can't be used as "ink"; this is an extra step that gives away too much information and can lead to information overload. It would be a lot easier if these were always face down; the "balance" aspect of some cards not being inkable is simply not worth the complexity, especially since the information gained here is probably useless in most situations. (Not all; Duel Masters does a lot with their shield cards; and VS does something similar, so they're also cutting off design space for no real good reason.)

[@whiteshark17]

The developer has stated in interviews that they intend to release draft kits in the future.

[@williamsimkulet7832]

@@whiteshark17 Games where any card can be a resource are difficult to make draftable, as you now need to draft 100% of the deck (rather than 60%). Given off color cards can be resources, it really incentivizes hate drafting. Either you get to play the bomb, or it's just "a land" and you know your opponents don't get to play it.

[@WhatUpRob]

Pokémon has fewer colors? Fire-Water-Grass-Lightning-Normal-Psychic-Dark-Fairy-Dragon-Steel-Fighting and probably another one, not sure if this is different than what you meant

[@williamsimkulet7832]

@@WhatUpRob You're right; Pokemon TCG has about the same (minus Dragon & Fairy, which come and go, and Normal, which doesn't count); but they're more intuitive. I know why Paras is Grass; I don't know why Olaf is Purple.

[@truecross4090]

Oh boy! Disney gets to ruin Trading Card Games next! Can't wait!

[@RaveKev]

Are you okay? You look a bit sick. Take your time and go to bed! 🤒😚

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

Probably "con crud", aka spending time in the virus laboratory that a gaming con is.

[@puntfake]

Is this man dying?

[@xbumble]

So, it's Magic then...

[@KissellMissile]

Only in the sense that all CCG's are "magic."

[@JonReid01]

Sounds more like keyforge than magic 🤷‍♂️

[@nicka.9057]

Sure if you don't count almost any of the game mechanics.