Disney's Sub-Par Projection Mapping

[@wickedphant0m]

Clever and well executed projection mapping can add flair and excitement to an attraction, but (imo) it should never be a replacement for practical effects. The original Chamber of Destiny was the single greatest magic trick in any amusement park in the world, and now it's just three neon blue doors. It doesn't even make sense anymore. The Mara statue didn't need to open its eyes. It's a statue. The voice we hear is Mara's spirit.

[@Ricoxemani]

Yeah I really hope they fix the broken chamber of destiny in the refurbishment

[@TrojTV]

the rotating doors can be easily fixed AND combined with the rpojection mapping... the essentially only need to move te walls and not the door frames. Hiding two extra mock doors to the left and right (making a total of 5 doors), the moving walls would either hide the left door or the right door (depending on the position of the walls). So instead of having to move the slightly more complex door frames, those stay fully in place. Adjust the projection mapping to be less flashy, but still unique to the "choice" of the riders, the entire scene could benefit greatly from both techniques. And panning a just wall is much less prone to failure than the original "cone" they had to move in to position quickly.

[@josh__mclendon]

the new projectors prevented the walls from moving. mechanics were like 🤷‍♂ k

[@TrojTV]

@@josh__mclendon with a bunch of short throw projectors just mounted in the ceiling without the need to move, they could work around that problem too. But like the video states, the current fix seems lazy 😂

[@AlextheHistorian]

What you just described IS how the rotating door scene worked. Only the walls of the room moved, there was only 1 functioning door mechanism and it always stayed in place, with two stationary dummy doors on either side of it. it was exactly as you described.

[@TrojTV]

@@AlextheHistorian if you look in this video, you can see the door frames moved with the walls, it's literally in the video. The only thing that stayed in one place, was the actual door and mock doors. The whole moving part was a pretty "complex" hanging construction to keep up in maintenance because of this.

[@AlextheHistorian]

@@TrojTV yes I know how it works, but it wasn't the whole door frame that moved, just the tops of the frame, which is necessary for making the moving walls more rigid. I'd argue that not having that upper frame there would make the engineering of the moving walls more complicated than it needs to be

[@WheezyLiam]

I think this is a problem that runs much deeper than just the Indy ride. There's not much in the way of subtlety in the parks anymore; too much focus on making every single part of the attractions the star of the show, rather than thinking about how those pieces might fit in to a bigger picture. I mean, the magic is supposed to be *behind* the chamber doors! Why are they so bright and animated before we even enter??

[@HauntFreak13]

Exactly!

[@toothyweasel2705]

As easy is it is to blame just the company at least half the blame can be placed directly at the vast majority of park goer’s feet. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard people complain before updates like this old rides were boring because there was “Only one cool thing in the entire ride”. People demand bombastic, sensor overwhelming schlock and if that’s where the money is at Disney will adjust towards it

[@darkridearts]

This

[@optimusprime777slap]

@@toothyweasel2705 yeah makes sense

[@dualiedan5205]

I honestly love both versions. I really wish they still had the rotating doors effect. I agree with your points on the original having a more dark atmosphere than the more bright one we have today. I think to balance to it out, the door scene could be dimly lit like the original still giving that suspensful vibe you were talking about. I personally love the way the hall of mara is, it has so much life to it. I would say find a way to still make it dark but also have life to it without brightening up the scenes

[@Supersadist]

Hi there, just found this channel and want to say thank you for expressing the issues I have with some of these ride updates, and boy do I always point out a ton when I go to the park these days. Maybe someday you can look into what I call "the dark room issue." I swear, after a lot of the rides at Disneyland received updates they are way, WAY darker than they used to be. The one I point out first is the seance room in Haunted Mansion. The floating items used to be SO CLEAR, and whenever she would call out for an instrument it would get brighter as the sound effect for it played. This doesnt happen anymore, and you can barely make out what's floating in the air anymore. Most dark scenes in the park are barely visible now and when I point this out to others, they say "Your eyes just aren't adjusted to the dark" or "It's always been that dark." My eyes are plenty adjusted after being in the dark queue of Haunted Mansion for half an hour. There also isn't anything wrong with my vision lol. The other example I think of immediately is Space Mountain. Never mind the horrible replacement projection of Star Wars they are currently using, but it's way darker in there too. The stars used to be BRIGHT, like so bright you could occasionally make out some of the scaffolding inside the mountain when the light passed over it. I hope you keep making videos, I see it's been almost a year since you uploaded but I think its important to bring attention to this stuff and hopefully let the morons currently in charge of the upkeep of Disneyland know how we all feel. Theres a lot of broken and poorly "fixed" effects to talk about all over the park. I think a big video about the current state of Tomorrowland as a whole would be cool. It's such a cluster f**k of broken rides and empty spaces like the arcade, people mover and Innovations. Like i said ive got a lot of opinions about Disneyland and I've been looking for a good channel that talks about them in depth. Please keep making videos!!

[@ChriswithaK]

Thank you for the comment, I’ve been busy with other personal projects as of late, but I do plan to start working on this channel again soon

[@tavi3850]

The state that indy is in now speaks for the entire Disney company including the parks

[@frostypinesanimation]

Excellent analysis! I've been looking for a new Disney Parks channel to check out, and I'm happy to say you've earned yourself a sub from me!

[@ChriswithaK]

Thank you very much!

[@shaun4591]

Here's hoping when they refurb the temple......again...... they can update the effects not only the mapping but the doors opening behind Indy. the ceiling collapse. The roaches. The lava mist. Fluffy. And for the love of God please update the budget room with the rats! However, do it 100 but Subtle enough to plus up the attraction.

[@Intryx]

Love the Disney vids!

[@Intryx]

Oh I just realized... Is this your second channel? Lol

[@ChriswithaK]

Yes, this is my second channel haha

[@ChezbearJ]

Such a great video explaining the mapping!!

[@johnjones-vr2wm]

Disney should get the rubber spikes in the ceiling working again !

[@ManoloMDiaz]

Love your channel bro

[@ExpeditionSteve]

Awesome video Kris!

[@valenzuelasstudios1838]

Now, I know it's been a while since you've made this video, but with the new refurbishment for this ride finally being out alongside the reopening of ToonTown, how do you feel with the changes made currently compared to what we saw last time? Do you believe the ride has been improved or still lackluster?

[@A.E.S.R]

Here's what I see in the future (I went into the chamber future) eventually Disney is going to cave in and have to fix these issues, because social media is getting big all these channels on history on Disneyland rides effects and how they been shut down are getting popular. I mean even the general public is starting to notice this stuff l, heck even the public starting memeing stuff like when splash mountain constant log sinking was happening. If the 6 months is only to install the new snake (fluffy) head I really lost hope for them. You would think with the new movie coming soon they would take almost a year off to get the ride in amazing condition.

[@blakesullivan682]

Is it fair to say that Disney has a projection mapping problem but then just to focus on one single ride? Whatever is lacking in this ride is definitely made up for in Mickey and Minney’s Runaway Railway

[@ChriswithaK]

That wasn’t the point of the video. The point was to highlight how incorrect uses of technology (aka projection mapping) can destroy the theming/storytelling of a ride.

[@DML897]

I honestly hope with this refurb that's happening that they give it animatronic eyes. Can leave the rest of it but make the eyes move!

[@DZstudios.]

Very interesting content reminded me of WDWCentral

[@cameron.t]

When did the rotating doors stop rotating? I grew up in Southern California and went to Disneyland pretty often… as far back as 2006 I don’t recall them moving, but I remember my friend saying they used to!

[@ChriswithaK]

They stopped rotating sometime in 2012

[@GeorgeMonet]

Subtle projection mapping looks good, but extensive projection mapping looks terrible. It cheapens the experience. The Alice in Wonderland ride overuses projection mapping. The two dimensional animated scenes are in conflict with the three dimensional models. You notice the artificiality immediately and are thus thrust out of the failed experience. I remember being in Disney Land on one of the newish rides and being interviewed by one of the staff on what I thought. My basic review was this ride is terrible, you tried too hard to accomplish too little. I didn't wait in line for an hour to sit in a chair and do what amounted to watching a bunch of short aimless clips. I could have done that at home for pennies.

[@Cartoony_Carl_1997]

tbh i actually love both the old and new versions, but i honestly love the old version way better. the unique music scores that played for the three different rooms before the update was an awesome feature, and i loved the floating eye they had in the sky dome that was in the observatory of the future room

[@chrisroberts5747]

it's just more of the same, charging more and delivering less. They will not spend the money anymore to build a classic like they used to make

[@mike3889]

"YES!!!!!!!!" - Thor

[@DarkDoge]

I love both, but the mapping projections are actually based on an original idea when the ride was being made. And you need to carefully analyze the details because the details are wonderfully done! It may look cheap but there are a lot of details. Only will you see them in person. Videos won't do them justice.

[@DarkDoge]

Lmg no heart me coomment. :( Chuck Ballew (Disney imagineer who designed every single design element of the ride.) showed me really cool images and one of them shows this unique detail of mara awakening from slumber, in which his eyes open slowly. I wish I could show you it but I'd need to be careful with it.

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

It’s like they’re afraid to let the sets, props, and lighting speak for themselves and just give the atmosphere time to breathe. Giving everything animation makes everything one note and bland. It’s over stimulating and takes focus away from what the rider is supposed to find important

[@B-rad_Games]

Epic!

[@Clay3613]

Disagree, I think you're nitpicking about the old moving corridor no longer working. The projection mapping is really good on the doors because the banner/header above them are now mostly blank, but the projection make it look carved. The Hall Of Promise could be dialed back a bit though.

[@Clay3613]

Well, they may have addressed your concerns just a day later after my last comment.

[@LoganPlaysGaming]

I don’t think you understand the Indians jones have MANY moving parts and they are broken, which is why Disney has tried to make up for it. The ride is going for a refurbishment soon. Disney did not take the show elements out , they broke.

[@ChriswithaK]

The previous video I made detailed a majority of the broken things in the ride. I understand why most effects broke in the ride. Many of the effects in the ride unfortunately were deactivated or just neglected by Disney, most of which they just left there with no replacement. However, no time in the video did I claim that Disney took show elements out. I dont think you understood the point of this video if you came to that conclusion.

[@darkridearts]

I’m not a fan of a lot of the new overlays. I think the soul is lost on these things.

[@kinomon]

good thing it is getting refurbished and all will be fixed

[@crazziemonkke]

great video and really well done, but you just gotta enunciate your words a little better

[@zr_1234]

Indiana Jones has so many problems and yet its still superior to Rise of the Resistance imo.