Dissolving or Staying Together: The ACC vs Florida State Battle and How It Will All Shake Out?

[@gidnik]

i think its important to note that the acc didnt say they would negotiate. they said the rights could be bought back and thats a huge distinction

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

That’s a very good point and a very strong showing that the ACC feels confident in its case.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen ACC should feel confident it its case ALL of FSU's grievances are GARBAGE. Most of them out right LIES.

[@fja243]

im old enough to remember when the discussion over fsu only entailed parroting the word "ironclad" and dismissing even the potential for a negotiated resolution. Now you and others are coming around. Congrats! progress

[@toast803]

From the beginning ACC leaders stated you can buy your way out of the league, but we'd have to have a discussion on you media rights. The idea has always been this would be negotiated, just how much pain and damage will need to be done before they agree on a number. We are in the "he beat me every night" part of the divorce settlement process. FSU is trying to avoid full freight and the ACC is trying not to lose custody.

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

I mean nothing is guaranteed and buying back media rights is not easy it’s still $250-$300 million. And that’s still a maybe. It’s pretty tough to get out as you can see by the court hearings. I’m more concerned about the 2027 option for ESPN.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

If the ACC wants it to be Ironclad it is Ironclad. But FSU is such TRASH the ACC wants them to PAY and GO.

[@fja243]

@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen speculation about what the number is just that speculation...I guarantee you this though in a negotiation it won't be 500mill or 0...the point of the negotiation would be to avoid those 2 potential outcomes in litigation

[@hcopenhagenh]

@@talkingcfbwithJJKitchenit will be less than 200 million

[@williamdiehl117]

I am not a lawyer or legal person in any way. -- However, something I have not seen anyone mention in any videos on this whole ACC vs. Florida State legal case - when does the THIRD (3rd) court of jurisdiction kick in (Bristol, CT) home of ESPN. Since they now own the media rights through the sale from the ACC. Just a thought?

[@Doc_Boots]

It won’t. FSU has purposely placed blame on ACC and not ESPN. ESPN has made it a priority to report as observers on this but have no interest in jumping into the mud pit

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

They don’t. It takes place all in one setting and they are fighting for it to be in Tallahassee or North Carolina. Most people agree it will be North Carolina. After that it will be done.

[@toast803]

Frankly, the best option for ACC may be for ESPN not take up this option. This does NOT end the GoR!!! It opens the ACC up for negotiating a new media rights deal. CBS/NBC? Streaming? If this happens, the ACC really needs a good 2-3 years on the field, court, etc. to increase value. I am also curious what happens to the ACCN if ESPN walks... Does that make it an ACC property exclusively? I have maintained that one of the reasons SEC/B1G are pushing hard now is to keep rising programs down. They must create an exclusive club to maximize their standing and profit. We cannot have new blood start winning regularly (even those with deep tradition). This is a gangster kneecap move.

[@A1Googler]

The Big Ten is not trying to subjugate The ACC or Big 12. And the Big Ten did not kill the Pac12. If you believe otherwise, you are giving Big Ten COPC more credit and power than they care to wield. The Big Ten is a slow moving measured traditionalist beast. We only expanded in 2010 to protect existing assets. And this recent move was simply part lifeline to USC/UCLA and part media partner pressure. The Big Ten needs the markets and recruiting ground due to population shifts. Not sure the Big Ten wants a noisy FSU.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

ESPN is NOT going to Walk because ACC Value is RISING in part due to the PLANS the ACC and ESPN have put together to increase PROFITS for BOTH. ACC Revenue will be within $5 Million of the B1G in 7 years. ACC Revenue goes up 4 times by more than $10 Million each time in the next 7 years... starting with a $16+ Million Increase NEXT YEAR. ESPN will not walk away AND ESPN cannot walk away - reports that they can are based on an FSU LIE.

[@hcopenhagenh]

lol.. the acc isn’t getting more without fsu

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@hcopenhagenh They are. Watch and See. I know things YOU do not know.

[@russellbaer2442]

Another great show!! 3 in one week we’re getting spoiled H2P💙💛

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

lol!!! I’m trying! Another one coming out tonight!

[@Pastega-]

Make a Pacific Atlantic Coast Conference for all that are left after they don’t make it to the other three conferences, with two divisions

[@theMcWOPPER]

Naw, Mac it the Pacific Atlantic Conference then the number of teams after

[@MercerKnowsBall]

None of the ACC team will leave for the Big 12. It would be a HUGE PAYCUT to do that. In 3 years ACC will be making 150% more $$$ than the Big 12 does... and will STEAL the best Brands and Markets in the Big 12. In 7 years the ACC will be making 200% of what the Big 12 makes (or more). Nobody reports the FACT that ACC Revenue will be UP by more than $16+ Million per school next year. Nobody reports how quickly the ACC Network is Increasing its value and payout. Nobody reports the FACTS about how much $$$ the 3 Expansion schools will add to ACC Network Revenue and the ACC TV Contract. Those 3 have DOUBLED the Top 50 TV Markets in the ACC Footprint. I understand WHY nobody reports the 2nd and 3rd thing. But only someone with NO CLUE how Money Works could miss the 1st Increase

[@brothermouzone1307]

I give a damn about the ACC. We are going to the B10. Go Noles! Let's Go!

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

You may be headed there, but there also a chance you get stuck as an independent.

[@brothermouzone1307]

@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen Never, the only thing left is to sign the paper and the ink to dry.😄

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

@@brothermouzone1307 ya lol. Thats why it’s taken so long. 😂

[@brothermouzone1307]

@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen Long? We are not even talking a year. FSU Board of Trust gave authorization for the suit in December 2023? This is February. If I recall correctly? The ACC is entitled to FSU home games. August 2024 FSU will decline membership for 2025. They will play their home games on a neutral field: Orlando, Fl.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@brothermouzone1307 Playing your Home Games at a Neutral Field STILL makes you the HOME TEAM. All of the energy FSU spends trying DISHONEST WEASEL crap shows the world what a POS FSU is. None of your schemes will work and FSU is KILLING all of its Leverage. FSU will lose 1) a Safe Home to STAY IN with the ACC 2) a Bidding Competitor against the B1G in the SEC to go to That means the B1G will not have to offer FSU a FULL SHARE and fSU will have NO CHOICE but to take it. FSU is turning itself into SMU or CAL because FSU is DUMB AF FSU is also showing the B1G that it is a DISHONEST POS that cannot be trusted. Maybe the B1G will decide it doesn;t WANT to associate with a POS like FSU and leave you hanging. AGAIN - playing on a Neutral Field will not work. It is something STUPID FSU fans MADE UP because they are DUMB AF Weasels

[@Flux_Flow]

I'm tired of my team playing, mostly, the same opponents every year. It would be nice to play a round of fresh blood for a change and travel to some new places. It would also be nice to have a schedule that has some weight to it and give everyone the opportunity to make the playoffs.

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

I would agree, but I know for sure ACC teams have a pretty noticeable chance of getting to the ACC championship as seen in the past.

[@slayer7682]

My opinion is, Noles wont out so bad let them go, they will just continue to keep on raging and complaining and berating the ACC. I understand why they want out. I'm all for teams moving on to other conferences. Also, Pitt seems like a good fit for the B10, just keep the W. Va game going. I'm a Canes fan I would like to see them move on, just not to the B12

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

That would be an intriguing option. I do Ike the ACC but I would certainly like Pitt in the Big 10 in terms of geographical too.

[@Keith_X]

When fsu leaves it opens the door for others who also want to leave. At that point what is the ACC? What kind of tv deal will that get them?

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

@@Keith_X if others leave that’s different, but look at the Big 12…..they have a bunch of small brands and no big brands and they even got a deal.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@Keith_X I guarantee the ACC TV Deal will GO UP without FSU in 3 years. In fact it will ALSO go up NEXT YEAR by more than $16 Million.

[@jasonjohnson651]

ESPN has until February 2025 to decide ACC fate

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

Yes, and that’s only one year. That is very concerning for ACC teams

[@A1Googler]

What a shitty TV deal

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

@@A1Googler I 100% agree.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen JJ that is a LIE FSU told in their BS Weasel Lawsuit. Not only is in a LIE that ESPN can back out it would be DUMB AF for ESPN to back out right as ACC Value and Revenue is about to skyrocket due to plans set in motion by the ACC and ESPN 9 years ago. Next year ALONE the ACC will gin a $16 Million per school Revenue Increase and ESPN will earn that TIMES 15 next year and that is just 1 of MANY steps still playing out.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@A1Googler When you only believe the LIES about it then it sure does look shitty. But when you know the FACTS about it then it starts looking GREAT Maybe you should get the FACTS because you do not know them.

[@brothermouzone1307]

No such animal as ironclad.

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

Definitely tough to get out as you can tell. I’m more concerned aunt the 2027 option. FSU has work to do.

[@brothermouzone1307]

@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen This is our last season. 1. Disney is tired of Florida. Florida is tired of Disney. 2 ESPN knows FSU is not staying in ACC. They will be announcing they will not pick up the TV contract. 3. Negotiations for the college football championships can't begin until the dust has settled on conference alignment. Another nail was placed into the coffin when the ACC sent their brief to the state of Florida. Florida has a 50 page maximum. ACC sent 150 pages. Our sunshine laws; People have nothing but time to go over every document. ACC, Disney and ESPN do not want deal with the press and KZbin podcasters.😄😄😄

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen The 2027 option is NOT REAL.

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

@@MercerKnowsBall yes it is

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen PROVE IT THEN. You can't because it is NOT REAL. There is no WALK AWAY CLAUSE in the contract. And even if there WAS such a CLAUSE ESPN WILL NOT Walk Away because the ACC Revenue is about to BOOM and so is ESPNN Revenue because they are TIED TOGETHER. The CLAUSE that comes up in 2 years is a LOOK IN CLAUSE that can only RAISE ACC Revenue. And cab only Decrease ACC Revenue if it drops below 15 teams. STOP BELIEVING THE LIES and LEARN THE FACTS.

[@wvgolfnut1]

Greed is killing college sports, NCAA basketball is next.

[@davidframe1613]

ACC will break up at some point, Cal Stanford and SMU will go to the pac-12 or whatever it is. Boston college Syracuse and Wake Forest may not find a home. And pitt will be back with West Virginia where it should be as the second best team of the two. 😁🤣😂 And tar heels is not a great brand as far as football is concerned maybe for the ACC but not for college football. UNC is just a warm-up game for the Mountaineers We love playing the tar heels in bowl games such an easy game easy easy.

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

Yep. Taking to till the 4th Quarter to be a UNC team without 55% of its roster and facing backups. Trust me, UNC is a very big brand and much bigger than everyone in the Big 12. If ESPN extends or renegotiates the ACC stays together. And WVU will get to face its big brother in the non conference games 😉😂

[@davidframe1613]

@@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen it's not our fault that UNC has a horrible coach and did not have his team prepared. If you know your player is going pro and he's not going to play in the bowl game that you play all year for then you play the backup in regular season games so he's prepared not the guy going to the NFL. But UNC is only a warm-up game for the Mountaineers. UNC is a basketball school not a football school never has and never be good at football. If UNC goes to the Big ten or SEC they will be annihilated every year. The couple hundred people that attend UNC games probably will stop coming.😁😂🤣

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

@@davidframe1613 brother……..he was missing more than half his squad. You guys still struggled with them. If Drake plays they destroy you lol

[@davidframe1613]

@@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen score 30 to 10 fans in stadium 90% Mountaineers to 10% UNC fans and employees of the stadium. 😁😂🤣😂🤣

[@davidframe1613]

@@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen every bowl game the Mountaineers win everyone has an excuse. We're used to it. We just keep adding to all those bowl victories why everyone else has to keep coming up with excuses why they lost to the backwoods hillbilly program that wasn't good enough to play in the ACC. 😁😂🤣 Like I have said in the past we will send Marshall the next time. This year Marshall beat Virginia tech almost beat NC State at home 48 to 41 and the year before last beat Notre Dame at home how embarrassing. The ACC is the laughing stock of football. Undefeated FSU couldn't even get in the playoffs because they're in the ACC.

[@rx2878]

Why is everyone still quoting these biased Florida based sources? Nobody put a gun to FSUs head. They chose to sign the contract. They weren't Good enough to make the playoffs. The end.

[@noles9998]

Talk about pot calling kettle black. People with biases chose FSU fate over not making the playoffs. Funny if Alabama or any SEC team Had not made the playoffs then ESPN would have lost out 118 million dollars, funny how that worked itself out. Dude either you are an FSU hater or you are walked in the park with a helmet and drool cup by your 90 year old mother. lol😂

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

I agree with you on that. I think they still have a lot of work to do. I will be doing more videos on this as well for the ACC. I will show a different side as well. Thank you for the support.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@noles9998 EXPLAIN HOW ESPN would LOSE OUT on ANY MONEY if Alabama or any SEC team missed the Playoffs? I'll wait while you cannot explain that BS you just said because it is just something DUMB that FSU fans MADE UP and say because they are DUMB AF

[@TallyHo850]

Your team sucks and no conference wants them but maybe the big 12 everyone knows FSU to the BIG 10 where have you been stop the bias and be honest about the league and what’s happening the Acc is done and it only has itself to blame good riddance

[@VBHokie]

The ACC sold it's soul to the Tobacco Road schools and basketball 🏀. They sealed their own fate. Good riddance.

[@rx2878]

The SemenHOs were homeless BUMs until the ACC & will be BUMs after the ACC.

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

Pitt won the ACC two years ago. FSU has been horrible for years. A laughing stock. FSU is not guaranteed to the Big 10 and could get stuck as an independent. FSU brand is not very gold as we’ve all seen. One year means nothing and that’s why people laugh at FSU.

[@rx2878]

This. This is what I'm talking about. Such a toxic fanbase. They expect everyone else to hold their brand, their school, & football records a sacred. Yet they refuse to respect anyone else's. How can you disrespect a conference then cry when YOU are Disrespected by the SEC, ESPN, CFP, Kirk Herbstreit etc. Cope with such Victimhood while playing a bully..

[@talkingcfbwithJJKitchen]

@@rx2878 amen. They are a joke. That why nobody takes them seriously and why they hurt the ACC and not make the Playoff. They are useless.

[@nathanarnold2068]

Free FSU