Distilling Sulfuric Acid with Some Mishaps

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Doug's Lab

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@NurdRage
@NurdRage 6 жыл бұрын
Good having you back. I missed you.
@mythics791
@mythics791 6 жыл бұрын
love it
@shonaoneill5151
@shonaoneill5151 6 жыл бұрын
NurdRage you too are Epic, love your channel as much as this one......almost.
@thetilenglishtaste9913
@thetilenglishtaste9913 6 жыл бұрын
He never likes NurdRage comments
@jhyland87
@jhyland87 4 жыл бұрын
Then he disappears.. again! hah.
@omsingharjit
@omsingharjit 3 жыл бұрын
Same for you .... NR
@dhawthorne1634
@dhawthorne1634 6 жыл бұрын
I love when NurdRage includes his mistakes and solutions. I think you managed to 1 up him by actually thinking through solutions in real time with footage to the experiment going awry.
@Jeffrey_Wong
@Jeffrey_Wong 6 жыл бұрын
This video reminds me of a story my chem professor told in lecture... A few years ago, a student (undergrad) was working in the lab and accidentally emptied some organic waste into the acid waste container. Rather than alerting the TA, the student tried to hide his/her mistake by sealing the container (we use giant glass carboys that probably hold about 10 liters or so) and walking away like nothing happened. At the time, my professor was in her office and she heard an explosion next door followed by the sound of falling glass shards. She runs out of her office to find the entire lab group of 30 or so panicked students evacuating the lab followed by a cloud of HCl and NO2 gas. Several students had to be rushed to the hospital for burns and glass cuts and law enforcement was involved as well... just goes to show what happens when you don't properly fix your mistakes in the lab :)
@cantsolvesudokus
@cantsolvesudokus 4 жыл бұрын
How did they found out?
@nabrialesadramelech3299
@nabrialesadramelech3299 3 жыл бұрын
what would be the appropriate thing to do in that situation tho?
@seibtyee637
@seibtyee637 3 жыл бұрын
@@nabrialesadramelech3299 leave it open, close the door and open the windows to allow the gas to escape
@SciDOCMBC
@SciDOCMBC Жыл бұрын
​@@seibtyee637Strong acids or bases must always be neutralized before being placed in the appropriate waste containers.
@seibtyee637
@seibtyee637 Жыл бұрын
@@SciDOCMBC yes. but i was referring to what to do after someone causes an explosion like that.
@j_sum1
@j_sum1 6 жыл бұрын
Lovely work as usual, Doug. Really good to see clean-up of a real spill. Such things are usually left out but they are extremely important. And the simulated situations found in safety videos really don't cut it. I am enjoying the increased video frequency. Thanks.
@mickles1975
@mickles1975 6 жыл бұрын
It's not a proper lab bench unless it has acid burn marks on it.
@stamasd8500
@stamasd8500 6 жыл бұрын
It's not a proper lab bench until it has a big old hole with glowing perimeter. Bonus if the glow is due to radioactive fission byproducts.
@VerbenaIDK
@VerbenaIDK 2 жыл бұрын
@@stamasd8500 it's not a proper lab bench if you never burnt a hole straight into it using a blowtorch because you got impatient
@MichaelLapore-lk9jz
@MichaelLapore-lk9jz Жыл бұрын
A badge of pride!!!☝️
@dudetapedtoafridge3073
@dudetapedtoafridge3073 Жыл бұрын
​@@VerbenaIDKit's not a lab bench if it doesn't have a hole going to earths core with a perimeter warping into the fith dimension
@VerbenaIDK
@VerbenaIDK Жыл бұрын
@@dudetapedtoafridge3073 back when i did chemistry my "lab bench" had no holes, because it was stone :3
@bytergon
@bytergon 6 жыл бұрын
OMG - even though you showed your mishaps, you still manage to make that look so easy. I've distilled H2SO4 before to purify it, and that was probably one the scariest days of my life!!! Thanks for sharing so many useful tips and tricks along the way - Especially about using a hot air gun to stop the water droplets falling back into the boiling acid mixture at the beginning. I must try that next time. Maybe then I'll need less changes of underwear when caring out this prep!
@terawattyear
@terawattyear 6 жыл бұрын
I really like these basic task “how-to” videos. Good choice on your part Doug for showing us stuff to keep us from frying ourselves.
@2323Nod
@2323Nod 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing your mishaps, it increases the educational value of the videos!
@henricoderre
@henricoderre Жыл бұрын
'Hi Doug. I'm relatively new to chemistry. I had extreme violent bumping recently when I tried to extract HCl (9.5% w/w, active ingredient) from Lysol Power Toilet Bowl Cleaner through distillation. I'd bought this product at the dollar store. A 1 litre bottle of HCl acid costs 73$ on Amazon. I wanted, no needed, to save money. I'd researched all the ingredients to the Lysol product, but for some reason C10-16 Pareth (or C12, or C16) had escaped me. It turns out this ethoxylated alcohol is explosive (or is an explosive) when heated. I'm lucky nothing major happened during my HCl extraction experiment. Today, I attempted to concentrate some sulfuric acid I'd made from Epsom salt through electrolysis. My r.b. boiling flask survived the Lysol HCL extraction experiment, but it finally cracked during the sulfuric acid distillation, and acid leaked onto my homemade heating mantle and work table. It hadn't had time to concentrate, so it caused no major damage to my mantle or work table.
@ScienceWithJames
@ScienceWithJames 6 жыл бұрын
You are one of my favorite (if not my favorite) chemistry channels. Your videos are well made, fun, and always interesting. You inspired me to start making my own videos, and have given me many ideas for my own lab. You're awesome.
@pyromen321
@pyromen321 6 жыл бұрын
Holy crap! So many videos!!! Keep up the incredible work!
@raynaldchatillon7826
@raynaldchatillon7826 6 жыл бұрын
Look children, lets distill sulfuric Acid in the dark... They didn't teach you that in school..!!! ;-) I love your video's and greetings from the Netherlands...;-))
@JFDhater
@JFDhater Жыл бұрын
awesome video and extremely informative. it really helps us newbies just getting into chemistry with you explaining why certain methods are used and for what specific reasoning. thanks so much.
@jamesroseii
@jamesroseii 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Doug. I'm not a chemist but I love chemistry and these simpler videos are very enjoyable for me.
@tracybowling97
@tracybowling97 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! You're "learning experiences" we're the best parts! Lot's of ppl want their videos perfect. Thanks for showing us!
@lajoswinkler
@lajoswinkler 6 жыл бұрын
It's not this simple, Doug, and you made few errors. First thing, to turn this type of drain cleaner (not sure why this is used instead of much better NaOH, but who cares if this makes sulfuric acid easily obtainable :) ) into a very pure sulfuric acid, you really need to reflux it a bit with small addition of hydrogen peroxide. That will create weak piranha in situ which will destroy organic compounds and oxidize pretty much everything to CO2, H2O, N2. And it really is something that has to be done because sulfuric acid doesn't render organic compounds (they're listed as "inhibitors") to the very simplest ones, but leaves you with hot fumes that still contain reactive species that distill over. Weak piranha reflux is simply essential and produces very clean acid. Second, water condenser and this distillation don't go together. Temperature difference is over the borosilicate glass limit and introduces such stress that there is a plausible chance of glass breaking. Use an air condenser. Those are cheap (it's just a tube, afterall) and do their job well. Of course, it must be angled. If it goes straight down, it heats itself and then overheats. Third, NEVER EVER heat borosilicate flasks with an open flame. That's an open invitation for a very bad day. Not only it can break and let out boiling corrosive liquid, but it wears the glass down, introduces stress and material aging. If one doesn't have a heating mantle and the heating plate is too weak even with additional insulation, flash has to be wrapped with steel wire mesh. At least two layers. That delivers almost all of the heat, but there isn't a temperature spike of the open flame involved. Steel mesh lets through hot gas and also radiates heat into the flask. Fourth, use glass shards for the boiling chips. Porcelain is harder than borosilicate glass so each time it touches the glass, it scratches it and gradually erodes the inner surface, making it prone to cracking. Bubbling moves the shards up and down, scratching their way around. All in all, you did manage this quite well and you have a good sense of solving problems when they occur. Panic is always a stupid thing to do. I've purified several litres of this tamed beast in my life so I was glad to share some things with you.
@THEGREATONE420
@THEGREATONE420 6 жыл бұрын
for the first method I don't even think distillation is required. add the H2O2 and heat and drive off all the water in an open vessel and you should have clean concentrated acid left over.
@lajoswinkler
@lajoswinkler 6 жыл бұрын
No, because inhibitors include insoluble, nonvolatile salts. Distillation is essential.
@THEGREATONE420
@THEGREATONE420 6 жыл бұрын
well if they're insoluble why don't they drop out of solution? would you happen to know the name of these salts?
@lajoswinkler
@lajoswinkler 6 жыл бұрын
My mistake. I meant to say nonvolatile only. They are soluble. I think some phosphates are the guilty party.
@THEGREATONE420
@THEGREATONE420 6 жыл бұрын
I do have some on hand prepared in this fashion. I guess the best way to verify is to boil a small amount to dryness and see if any sort of film/particulate is left behind... is this something you have done?
@williamackerson_chemist
@williamackerson_chemist 6 жыл бұрын
I love these weekday videos. Keep it up.
@davegeorge7094
@davegeorge7094 3 жыл бұрын
I found my RB flask dissolved the glass enough to see a ripple around the acid level was! Had some violent back flashes when acid sucked the water vapor back. I used activated charcoal to purify our additives and limit splashing so it could have caused interior of flask dissolving!
@TheBackyardChemist
@TheBackyardChemist 6 жыл бұрын
I would be very reluctant to do this in glassware like this, the thermal stress on the glass is enormous. Given how high the flask was, if it shattered it would have splashed boiling hot concentrated acid everywhere. Also the pinging coming from the condenser is a very bad sign, the condenser was also highly stressed and could have cracked. I am glad nothing bad happened, but I would not want to stress my glassware like this.
@willowpine2604
@willowpine2604 10 ай бұрын
Take an quartz glassware instead and you will be more safe 😊
@MSteamCSM
@MSteamCSM 6 жыл бұрын
Details explained in this video was very helpful. Keep it up.
@RobertSzasz
@RobertSzasz 6 жыл бұрын
One thing to stay aware of is that boiling chips might have enough water in/on them to cause a problem. Baking them or making sure whatever you are adding the chips to is around or below 100c would be a bit safer.
@arinwendeeriadorskaya6917
@arinwendeeriadorskaya6917 Жыл бұрын
I love this Bunsen burner. Such a neat well-stocked lab, and such a post-apocalyptic, Fallout style burner...
@dysprosiumion3269
@dysprosiumion3269 6 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! Just recently made some cerium sulfate from CeO2 for myself and wanted to recover the extreme excess of Sulfuric Acid I had to use. Definitely not easy to come by for the average home chemist!
@unreachablechemistry5105
@unreachablechemistry5105 6 жыл бұрын
Neat! Distillation of sulfuric is kinda scary, but I intend to do it at some point. Very cool video and well thought out setup.
@CollegeChemistry
@CollegeChemistry 6 жыл бұрын
Good video as always Doug, and good on you for showing the work around to a problem. It's not easy showing people screw ups, but when you do it helps people see the foibles, and know how to get past them.
@sciencoking
@sciencoking 5 ай бұрын
What I've learned is to have as few hot glass joints as possible, because they leak sulfuric acid vapors everywhere. I'm now using a 1L flask in a heating mantle with a single piece glass tube arch. That's one hot joint, and believe me it makes a difference
@jamesg1367
@jamesg1367 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice result. The mishaps were perfect for learning purposes. :-)
@TheNCgunny
@TheNCgunny 6 жыл бұрын
This was very interesting. hope to see more in the future
@Grove332
@Grove332 6 жыл бұрын
Gas is both elegant and simple at the same time. Saw some other youtuber mess with a heating mantle.
@aga5897
@aga5897 6 жыл бұрын
Nice one Prax ! Great to see Real experiment. Superb to see how you deal with accidents.
@FusionDeveloper
@FusionDeveloper 6 жыл бұрын
Mishaps with solutions are great to see.
@mrhomescientist
@mrhomescientist 6 жыл бұрын
I have the same thermocouple! Terra cotta pieces are also a good idea for boiling chips; I'll have to try that. I really liked all the real-world problem solving you did too. That's great to show how real chemistry in a real lab is. Good stuff!
@edwardkaraitiana1971
@edwardkaraitiana1971 5 жыл бұрын
Chips from spark plug porcelain work well as boiling chips
@robcharters2645
@robcharters2645 Ай бұрын
In Canada,drain opener is %98 concentrated sulpheric acid, no need to distill,unless you don't like green dye
@michael3263
@michael3263 6 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Concentrated sulfuric acid is so cheap and easily available that I don't think I'd ever try this. However, it is good to know how it's done.
@dominicconway1112
@dominicconway1112 2 жыл бұрын
Hey bud. I’ve just made some weak h2so4 myself. I worked out 6.25x10-4 mol concentration via titration. This video helped a lot, has inspired me tbh.
@pyromen321
@pyromen321 6 жыл бұрын
Just heads up, you showed part of your face at 2:25. I'm not sure if you're fine with that or if it was a mistake, but I figured I should mention it
@DougsLab
@DougsLab 6 жыл бұрын
I noticed! Anonymity is not really a concern for me. I usually don't show my face because I want people to stay for the chemistry, not because I'm being a quirky TV personality.
@tobinator680
@tobinator680 6 жыл бұрын
At 4:56 you can see it again ;)
@flaplaya
@flaplaya 6 жыл бұрын
He's not making Dimethylonepentamethamphetahydroxazine here guys. Just a simple, yet ballsy, distillate of H2S04.
@gabor_kov
@gabor_kov 6 жыл бұрын
love that!
@michaelplus-trojan_dc8687
@michaelplus-trojan_dc8687 6 жыл бұрын
I`ll be honest, I kinda want to see who this person that runs "Doug's Lab" is now. :P
@shonaoneill5151
@shonaoneill5151 6 жыл бұрын
Super video Doug, good to see you are human 😀 Everyone makes mistakes, the important thing is that we learn from them.
@dekeshaw5507
@dekeshaw5507 6 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, your video is so good and extremely educational, you have my Subscription and likes from now on sir, great work!
@bobmoandfriend
@bobmoandfriend 2 жыл бұрын
15:30 were you worried about thermal shock cracking glassware with that boiling occurring inside the condenser column? Those 'clicks' sounded angry xD Love the vids man. Thank you!
@rpearson
@rpearson 6 жыл бұрын
Doug, what are your thoughts on a vac distillation in this case instead of the high temps? Great video!
@venkatsharma05
@venkatsharma05 2 жыл бұрын
you can prolly do a vac distill...but it will be much more dangerous as the risk of implosion is there...and hot conc sulfuring acid is not a match to hot exploding sulfuric acid
@aaianoenan
@aaianoenan 8 ай бұрын
Why would vacuum distillation cause an implosion
@Max_Chooch
@Max_Chooch 6 ай бұрын
Serious question: If super hot h2so4 is so dangerous, why are there no videos of the vacuum distillation of h2so4? Wouldn't that allow for better control of the temperatures? As, if there was a glass failure, the pressure would instantly increase, and boiling would stop.. seems safer. Before saying the gasses would eat your vacuum pump, what about a cold trap with liquid nitrogen in it or even dry ice and isopropyl and using a ptfe lined labratory grade pump? Also, why is nobody using a bump trap? EDIT: From what I can tell, nobody is using a bump trap because of the amount of heat lost with a heightened distillation head.
@PauloConstantino167
@PauloConstantino167 6 ай бұрын
hi Doug when are you back? your channel is the best here and we need you. what are you up to?
@RandomExperiments
@RandomExperiments 6 жыл бұрын
God I would be so scared that the flask might break! Nice video!
@michaelf7093
@michaelf7093 6 жыл бұрын
Well done, Doug!
@Mess-Lab-Kitchen-Show
@Mess-Lab-Kitchen-Show 6 жыл бұрын
WELCOME BACK DOUG!!
@markbell9742
@markbell9742 6 жыл бұрын
Great job; combination of preparation, technique, and recovery. Yes, I have a gallon or so of drain cleaner sulfuric acid, and have been holding-off with a bit of trepidation. Having watched a few videos, but now, with caution, I will give it a go. PS I have click your channel for sometime (since, 'The Fischer Esterification: Methyl Salicylate', more than a year ago) hoping for an update, Ta-Da! Charge on and keep breaking bonds! Cheers, Mark ********************************************************
@luclalonde6931
@luclalonde6931 6 жыл бұрын
glad you're back with gusto. hope nothing depressing happened lol
@kevinbyrne4538
@kevinbyrne4538 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for recording and posting this video. Good information about an important process. Much appreciated.
@michaeldessingue9482
@michaeldessingue9482 6 жыл бұрын
Keep up the excellent work, thank you.
@jpdemer5
@jpdemer5 6 жыл бұрын
The main thing I'd recommend doing differently is the use of a metal bath (Wood's metal or Rose's metal*) rather than putting the flask directly in a flame. That's a lot of stress, even for a quality flask, and tiny scratches in an older flask could prove to be weak points. Along the same lines, blowing air through the condenser instead of water (use a cheap aquarium pump, or an aspirator) would stress the condenser less. Failure is not likely, but would be spectacular (in a bad way) if it happened. And your distilled acid isn't as pure as it looks - the anticorrosion ingredients in the drain cleaner degrade, but they aren't destroyed, so there are sulfonic acids that distill over, and probably a fair amount of SO2. Adding 30% hydrogen peroxide at the beginning will make a big difference; about 10% of the mass of the acid should do the trick. Distilling the water out won't take all that long. Finally, avoid exposing the distilled acid to air, because it absorbs moisture instantly. *I prefer Rose's, since it doesn't contain cadmium.
@felixcat4346
@felixcat4346 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting, nice to see a KZbin video without a cat wandering around in the background, although it probably would increase your subs.
@glasslinger
@glasslinger 5 жыл бұрын
Cat hater. :) Cats always spruce up a video! But a cat in the lab is not a good idea!
@lesterbaker1880
@lesterbaker1880 3 жыл бұрын
its 2021 October and Dougs video "Nitric acid day" has now been deleted by youtube.
@janbeck8269
@janbeck8269 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks! Are you going to make some videos on analysis? For example, how would you figure out compounds are left in the undistilled portion?
@nivikliriak
@nivikliriak 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I added boiling chips to some extremely concentrated coffee I was boiling down (in an attempt to make a homemade ink). That was...exciting. Extremely exciting.
@robertlittlejohn8666
@robertlittlejohn8666 Жыл бұрын
This scares the hell out of me. I keep thinking, what happens and what do I do if that thing breaks (the flask)? What does the 320 degree acid (with SO3 fumes) do when it hits the wood? Explode in flames? What if it happens while I'm reaching over to attend the apparatus? What if some of it splashes on me? Would it be safer to use quarz equipment?
@Max_Chooch
@Max_Chooch 3 ай бұрын
So I've distilled h2so4 3 times now following your setup, minus the leibig condenser and substituting a Vigreux column. I also purchased a small terracotta plant base, broke it into small chips, ground the sharp edges and used them as boiling chips. Each time I've don't this I've ended up with quite a bit of white powder in my leftover discard solute. I speculate this is silica from the portion of terracotta that has dissolved, but I'm not sure, any ideas?
@GMCLabs
@GMCLabs 6 жыл бұрын
I was making nitric acid with ammonium nitrate from cold packs. The packs said ammonium nitrate, but they must have been Ca Ammonium nitrate, because as soon as I added the acid it started foaming up. Had to disassemble and dunk the flask in a bucket of water, then added baking soda but ran out, and then dumped a whole bottle of 10% ammonia solution into the bucket to ensure neutralization. Lesson learned, test your NH4NO3 before you commit to a large batch.
@GMCLabs
@GMCLabs 6 жыл бұрын
Ammonium is available over the counter. Also the ammonium sulfate left over is extremely water soluble and easy to wash out. Doug has a video of him using potassium nitrate and he pushes the reaction to form potassium bisulfate instead of sulfate, for the reason that potassium sulfate is much less soluble and harder to clean out. But that reaction requires more sulfuric acid than if you pushed the reaction to get K2SO4. So by using ammonium nitrate I can push the reaction to ammonium sulfate instead of bisulfate, get more nitric acid by using less sulfuric, and its easy to wash out. All that and there weren't many videos on yt showing how to make nitric acid with NH4NO3. My video is here, but I have another one coming out when I get the editing done, bc I have better footage the 2nd time around. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnTbpJKqoa-Uf8k
@gilbertvelez4756
@gilbertvelez4756 5 жыл бұрын
LOL, I predicted the acid would start spitting out of the side of the flask It used to happen to me in the kitchen all the time when I'm concentrating the H2SO4 I synthesize. You can insure no presence of water during distillation by heating at about 80-100c in a glass boro kettle, and drop a cone shaped drinking glass with some water in it, in the opening to keep the acid in and the water escapes. Don't be impatient with the temp because you'll end up with a spitting acid situation again. It takes a while but the distillation goes seamlessly. I just came up with a synth process and started making my own, that way all I have to do is evaporate the water until it reaches it's azeotrope.
@astralchemistry8732
@astralchemistry8732 6 жыл бұрын
Very cool and informative video! Keep them coming!
@leeknoz935
@leeknoz935 Жыл бұрын
could you use vacuum distillation to lower the boiling point instead of using flame to get the right temp?
@modeidraorossman5273
@modeidraorossman5273 Ай бұрын
Hello! Sulfate acid foams strongly during distillation. Please suggest an effective defoamer for the distillation of sulfate acid.
@parcydwr
@parcydwr Жыл бұрын
Great video. My two son's and I are getting into doing some home chemistry. It seems getting hold of chemicals here in the UK is more difficult than in the US. We live off grid and have about half a ton of dead lead acid batteries so thinking utilising that acid would be good and any bi products can be poured back into the batteries when I recycle them. I am wondering if your distillation method would be a good route to take to get clean concentrated sulphuric acid from the battery acid? I appreciate starting at such a low concentration would result in a lot of weak distillate to distill off first but wondering if this would be a good way to remove the lead and other battery plate doping materials from the original acid?
@michaelyoutobe1
@michaelyoutobe1 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings Excellent Video I have a question Can you increase the acid concentration using a vacuum pump Or you can decrease the process time by applying a vacuum to the distillation.
@zbeekerm
@zbeekerm 6 жыл бұрын
And the award for most dangerous H2SO4 distillation goes to...
@SuperAngelofglory
@SuperAngelofglory 6 жыл бұрын
Actually, the azeotrope is 98.2% H2SO4. How long would it take to get azeotropic H2SO4 from bettery acid (40% H2SO4) - asking because H2SO4 based drain cleaners are not easily available here
@ScienceUAofficial
@ScienceUAofficial 11 ай бұрын
Where I can buy a funnel with grindstone for pouring liquids from flasks like you have on 17:20?? What is the name of this glass?
@joeestes8114
@joeestes8114 6 жыл бұрын
I have a question, i have my concentrated sulfuric acid in a cool dark place but it still turned dark.Will this cause the acid to be weaker than 98% ?
@tysons1075
@tysons1075 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video Doug's Lab, keep up the good work! , i am wondering why you didn't do a vacuum distillation thus avoiding these extremely high temperatures..
@SolarSeeker45
@SolarSeeker45 2 жыл бұрын
I find that simply adding hydrogen peroxide to the rooto brand drain cleaner will oxidize all the organic impurities. It works a lot faster with hot acid but it can also be done at room temperature.
@allenhonaker4107
@allenhonaker4107 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think you would have been better off putting a claison adapter in the system to control the boiling and foaming? I liked the vid and love looking at different setups especially with good explanations.
@BadPete81
@BadPete81 4 жыл бұрын
Did you titrate the product? At 17:15 it looks like there is separate layers of liquids and when you pour the produck in the first storage vessel it seems like those layers are mixing and the liquid goes a bit hazy.
@kleetus92
@kleetus92 6 жыл бұрын
Instead of using terracotta pots for your chips, how about a couple pieces of broken glass tubing? Stays inert and with the exception of hydrofloric acid, it won't mess with any other reactions, can be cleaned easily, and then reused.
@bpark10001
@bpark10001 6 жыл бұрын
Broken glass doesn't work! See my comment above. You need pores in the chip, and they need to be open when you start.
@anotherdayisforever
@anotherdayisforever 6 жыл бұрын
Im so glad youre back. Do you have a patreon?
@anotherdayisforever
@anotherdayisforever 6 жыл бұрын
oh nevermind ha you said it at the end
@omsingharjit
@omsingharjit 3 жыл бұрын
Does sulphuric acid also form azeotrope with water just like HCL ?
@lesterbaker1880
@lesterbaker1880 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@JustinKoenigSilica
@JustinKoenigSilica 6 жыл бұрын
Do you have the Index of Refraction? and, do you have access maybe to IR or NMR spectroscopy? would love to see the results of said analyses. Refractometers shouldn't be too expensive. EDIT: I lied, the one we use in our lab (the cheapest of the cheap) is like, $1000...
@S730SD
@S730SD 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to distill under reduced pressure? That would help lower the temp needed & hopefully reduce bumping a bit. Anyhow, thank you for uploading!
@jonathanwienke512
@jonathanwienke512 9 ай бұрын
Sulfuric acid vapor doesn't play nice with vacuum pumps.
@aaianoenan
@aaianoenan 8 ай бұрын
True but boiling at such high temperature might increase the chance of an explosion
@mistertheguy3073
@mistertheguy3073 6 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why you didn't add boiling stones :)
@ghulamfarid4849
@ghulamfarid4849 2 жыл бұрын
I have to extremely need to know how we can sulphonation by sulfuric acid with benzene or any alkyl group...???? Can you make video on sulphonation? My target is to prepare Sulphonic Acid.
@nilamotk
@nilamotk 6 жыл бұрын
Doug, can you make the video you always promised on drying concentrated acetic acid to glacial?
@alexabbey1
@alexabbey1 6 жыл бұрын
Probably my favourite video demonstration of this task so far. What thermometer/probe do you use to measure the temperature in the flask? I have a surface temp IR one but need to find a cost effective +300°c one. Regards.
@tehlaser
@tehlaser 6 жыл бұрын
9:37 Ah, memories. “But tehlaser, how did you spill *on the ceiling*?” Oops. Thankfully, it wasn’t sulfuric acid.
@DougsLab
@DougsLab 6 жыл бұрын
The only thing worse than an aqueous solution fountain is a diethyl ether fountain followed by an inferno. I'd imagine a fountain of 600-degree sulfuric acid is a close second. :D
@spookywizard4980
@spookywizard4980 6 жыл бұрын
tehlaser that would be such an exciting way to die
@dasuboot123
@dasuboot123 6 жыл бұрын
Well, I've done a timelapse video of me, distilling H2SO4: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4iriJ95ndeFmLM It is initially black, because I've used grease and the grease got affected by the distilling acid. To correctly address with bumping, I added a naked stir bar. I removed the outer nylon protection, because it will melt at these temperatures. The naked stir bar seemed to perform relatively inert.
@DougsLab
@DougsLab 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent work! I subscribed.
@Qwertypp10
@Qwertypp10 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty scary video, fortunately nothing bad happened :D. I have my self bad experience with only dehydrating the acid, not distillation, some broken glass, because of that. Is it safe to cool hot H2SO4 with water jacked? I mean I only read about air jacked used for this purpose since its boiling over 300*C and we could see ourselves, that water was boiling in contact with H2SO4 steam. I know that even laboratory glass is save to use only when there are max differences in temperature, about 100*C, then it can crack?
@lajoswinkler
@lajoswinkler 6 жыл бұрын
It is not safe at all. Temperature difference is over 150 degrees which is kind of a textbook limit. This simply requires an air condenser.
@basevegeta9424
@basevegeta9424 6 жыл бұрын
I'd be well paranoid heating glass like that. Even if it's slowly & evenly heated I'd be waiting for something bad to happen....
@lajoswinkler
@lajoswinkler 6 жыл бұрын
Not paranoia, but common sense. This should never ever be done. He was lucky it didn't snap.
@nachosevilla4027
@nachosevilla4027 6 жыл бұрын
Well, if the glassware used is borosilicate there really isn’t nothing to worry about, especially if it is heated slowly
@lajoswinkler
@lajoswinkler 6 жыл бұрын
Not true. Ask any laboratory flameworker. It's a bad practice that induces fatigue, lowering expected lifetime of the vessel. And then one day it breaks while there's ether inside. :/
@nachosevilla4027
@nachosevilla4027 6 жыл бұрын
Oh, didnt know that. I guess I will be safer from now on :)
@AguaFluorida
@AguaFluorida 6 жыл бұрын
It's certainly better practice to place at least a gauze between the flame and the glass.
@electric_photon4660
@electric_photon4660 5 жыл бұрын
I was doing this once and needed to add boiling chips. The moment I took the the thermometer adapter off it exploded, luckily it only got on my fingers and arm. I cant think of any reason that would happen though??
@THEGREATONE420
@THEGREATONE420 6 жыл бұрын
hot sulfuric acid... always makes for a sketchy day haha
@bryanmaudlin9047
@bryanmaudlin9047 5 жыл бұрын
Do you think you could do a video on extracting magnesium metal from Epsom salt?
@winfield1984
@winfield1984 6 жыл бұрын
great video
@thebestnumber1
@thebestnumber1 6 жыл бұрын
Question: can you clean up the coloration with hydrogen peroxide? I mean, you dilute the acid, but you create piranha and you avoid having to setup a distillation.
@DougsLab
@DougsLab 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can add a little weak hydrogen peroxide which will destroy any organic matter present, oxidizing it to H2O and CO2. This usually clears up the coloration, but will not remove metal salts. It will also need to be boiled to remove the water that comes with the hydrogen peroxide and to destroy remaining peroxide before it is used in a reaction.
@thebestnumber1
@thebestnumber1 6 жыл бұрын
Doug's Lab thanks! Glad to have you back
@StevenSchoolAlchemy
@StevenSchoolAlchemy 4 жыл бұрын
that looks exciting
@omsingharjit
@omsingharjit 3 жыл бұрын
12:28 why it's 609c instead of somthing like 300 c which is BP of H2so4 ?
@lesterbaker1880
@lesterbaker1880 3 жыл бұрын
He probably means farenheit rather than celcius
@saschalinz5847
@saschalinz5847 9 ай бұрын
But, is is easy to concentrate sulfuric acid, whats the problem?
@IsettasRock
@IsettasRock 6 жыл бұрын
Hot concentrated sulfuric is scary stuff, not something to be taken lightly. I have concentrated battery acid up to about 80% and that was enough for me.
@fmdj
@fmdj 9 ай бұрын
I didn't hear the customary warning about SO3 gas making its way out and killing you, how big of a concern is this? (I noticed the big sucking fan, I'm not planning to do this without a fume extraction mechanism but I'm still not done building it)
@flaplaya
@flaplaya 6 жыл бұрын
My props... I'm extremely cautious and would never attempt this fraction fearing for my face or life. That sound at 15:41 is serious... Imagine what the first chemists were screaming at their apprentices back when the first iso of this product was formed.. "Don't be scared you dumb little scallywag, get in there and keep an eye on 'er". Fun times.
@hardikmhatre7075
@hardikmhatre7075 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Doug can we use broken glass as boiling chips ??
@bpark10001
@bpark10001 6 жыл бұрын
Broken glass works poorly! You need something that is porous, and never used before (after use and cooling, the pores get filled). The acid must be heated nearly to boiling before the chips are put in, and the heat must not reduced (as when he cools to add more acid). More (just 1 more) chips need adding at that point, after every cooling/reheat. The chips can be reused after washing and drying completely to open the pores. The commercial ones are usually discarded after use.
@daviddavid1733
@daviddavid1733 6 жыл бұрын
What happens with the inhibitors? Are they attacked by the hot acid?
@Mr-yf5tl
@Mr-yf5tl 9 ай бұрын
What is the condenser water temperature?
@skoonthatraccoonskunkguy3865
@skoonthatraccoonskunkguy3865 6 жыл бұрын
I have been wondering if bits of charcoal can work to stop bumping but would the heat and elemental carbon start a reduction in the hot acid to hydrogen sulfide?
@skoonthatraccoonskunkguy3865
@skoonthatraccoonskunkguy3865 7 ай бұрын
Oop, ment dioxide, lol, that's a delayed notice
@alexabbey1
@alexabbey1 6 жыл бұрын
What is that piece of glassware that your thermocouple probe sits in called
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