Divers React to the Radium Cave Disaster

[@Tobez]

"They didn't have cave training" "They only brought one flashlight" HERE WE GO AGAIN BOYS

[@youkofoxy]

Why it has to be people complete under prepared?

[@RecklessSatyr]

Grabbing my popcorn for this one

[@xvor_tex8577]

That's how every story begins

[@katamine11]

@@youkofoxyisn’t that kind of obvious? 💀

[@katamine11]

@@youkofoxythe prepared ones generally don’t end up in videos like this because… they were prepared. That’s kind of the whole point.

[@AzathothLives]

"You can go even further if you just keep on going until you run out of air. You get pretty far that way." I can't even... xD

[@emm21118]

“In order to not drown, they breathe air” really got me😂😂😂. I can’t stand all of the ai written extraneous dialogue😂😂

[@brianthegreat4807]

It's nice to make it through a dive talk video where no one gets stabbed in the heart.

[@katamine11]

😂😂😂

[@newalmighty851]

What episode is that?

[@fiverx2159]

I actually stabbed myself in the heart twice during this episode

[@brianthegreat4807]

@@newalmighty851 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHrMnmyGgtecf9Usi=NWC2DssKrvusxxQf

[@RS-xq6je]

​@@newalmighty851most of them it's an often used technique to prevent drowning in deep water

[@morgan4574]

"Equipment from Ancient Egypt" 🤣🤣🤣 Gus doesn't pull his punches

[@evanhughes3027]

..picturing a half-jackal with scuba gear.

[@creepercrepe8910]

@@evanhughes3027 jakkal kaerwyn!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@CantaLAnima]

You can live at least three more years... roasting Woody😅

[@michalpotok]

​@@CantaLAnima🤣🤣🤣

[@gliliumho]

If Woody made that joke, Gus would've rolled his eyes out of his sockets😂

[@ycylchgames]

I always love Gus' exasperation at these videos overly dramatic dialogue 😂

[@Dharmarenee]

Radium is commonly called a "bone seeker" because it's chemically similar to calcium and is preferentially deposited in bone.

[@linglingspacewhales1977]

And it’s more brittle! Yay! Brittle radium bones! 😀

[@Aaron-zu3xn]

10:59 no lights allowed...just smile because your bones glow in the dark now phosphorus does it too

[@sammoyers905]

Fun facts about Radium. Radium 226 is the most prevalent isotope. It has a 1602 year half life, and decays by alpha radiation. Alpha radiation is attenuated by a few centimeters of air or a piece of paper. In water alpha radiation is absorbed (attenuated) instantly. So it would not be an external hazard. Radium is only a hazard if it gets inside your body. Radium glows by interacting with free nitrogen. So the only time the radium deposits in the walls of the cave would glow, is when an OPEN circuit diver exhaled inside the room, and then only where the exhaled air touched a Radium deposit. Closed Circuit divers would only see a reaction when they adjusted their buoyancy. So I doubt the Radium caves would outshine the Crystal Caves of Abaco.

[@ziziflor9019]

@@sammoyers905 wow thank you for the info!

[@evanhughes3027]

Those were indeed, fun facts. Thanks.

[@concernedfriend.9329]

@@sammoyers905 Your awesome 👍

[@TheMagicalSock]

Great info. Alpha emitters are fairly safe compared to other forms of ionizing radiation.

[@Silver-Freddy]

You broke that down really well, obviously you know your stuff

[@ChristelVinot]

do you think that decades from now, divers with their new technologies will look back at YOU guys and think "wow thank goodness we can do cave diving properly now!" lol...

[@josh885]

It will be "wow can you imagine sending PEOPLE in to explore and lay line in a cave instead of an AI drone? WILD!"

[@alexandros8361]

@@ChristelVinot No!

[@ChristelVinot]

@@alexandros8361 you'll see

[@tanyaa5597]

Radium was discovered by Marie Curie. Plutonium was discovered by a UC Berkeley team led by Glenn Seaborg

[@Tobelia]

lol yes as soon as Gus said “the guy who discovered radium”… No 😂

[@r.charlie]

yup. "the guy who discovered radium" lol

[@fishman241]

I was very confused they referred to Madame Curie as "a guy".

[@jakubk8352]

Maria Skłodowska-Curie, she was Polish. And she discovered Polonium too.

[@Tobelia]

@@jakubk8352 that’s probably where the confusion arose

[@megane_mark]

i was so stoked you guys gave me a shout out on your live video thanks Woody, but thanks both for all your awesome content and laughable moments ! always cant wait for your videos to come out ! Mark - From North Wales UK

[@unotechrih8040]

All kinds of misinformation in Mr.Deified's original video. He claims Murray Anderson was a Navy SEAL, but this incident happened in 1955, and the SEALs weren't founded until 1962. He was a frogman, which is the predecessor of the SEALS but still technically different. He is also off on his assessment of the radium risk, as another commenter pointed out.

[@user-xc7dj7bu1w]

@@unotechrih8040 I think a lot use more modern terms for things instead of older terminology that they would have to expand upon then to explain for most viewers.

[@drswaqqinscheckingin7210]

@@user-xc7dj7bu1wdon't defend people you don't know on the internet with crappy arguments, not only is it a waste of time but it makes you look foolish. if he used accurate terminology it would have added 1 second to the runtime and zero seconds to production time heres how it would've gone- "Murray Anderson was a frogman, which was a precursor to the modern day Navy SEAL" oh man that was so hard it took me hours to come up with the words.

[@Aaron-zu3xn]

BUD/s was the same thing just renamed,jesse ventura was UDT(underwater demo team) and he is considered a SEAL. literally it depends on which program they put you on when you pass BUD/s UD don't get combat training as hard as SEALs do

[@TheJellyBean0]

​@@drswaqqinscheckingin7210the only one looking like a Muppet is you. Not that it matters what you say not to do but they didn't even defend just gave a theory

[@TheNuckinFoob]

20:50 This story took place in 1955. I'm pretty sure cave diving wasn't as big back then. That's why all the footage is current and they couldn't really dig up cave diving experts. They called the navy because Murray was a navy lieutenant and it was 1955.

[@fiverx2159]

They said he was a navy seal. Which formed in 62

[@4thdimensiontravels855]

Lets get Don Shipley to verify. Sounds a little fishy to me.

[@drswaqqinscheckingin7210]

@@fiverx2159 they SAID he was a navy seal, but he wasn't. He was a frogman in 1955 since the SEALs didn't form until 62.

[@reubenmcmurray4377]

“Radium cave” Thats gotta be the fastest no ever.

[@DixonCyderBusch]

The name "Radium Springs" likely originates from a misunderstanding or mislabeling of the mineral content in the springs. While the name suggests a high radium content, early tests may have mistakenly indicated its presence. Over time, as scientific methods improved, it was discovered that the radium content in the springs is actually very low and poses no significant health risk. However, the name has remained, perhaps due to its historical significance or local tradition.

[@TheNuckinFoob]

I love that you guys approach cave diving videos the same way I approach videos and movies about submarines. You bring the perfect blend of correction and sarcasm. I generally know when someone is full of garbage, I just usually don't know to what extent when it's a new subject. You both have taken me from that guy that thinks cave diving is a death wish to a guy that thinks it might be pretty cool so long as you do it well prepared. Love all the videos, gentlemen.

[@alexandros8361]

Absolutely right Woody! Dont go into any restriction if you have to take something off. Remember Agnes. Best wishes

[@securatyyy]

If you sold some crazy hats, I bet they'd sell. Squid hats, sharks biting head,etc.

[@Nefville]

I'd buy a crazy hat.

[@fvdeddrift]

Me too! I'd buy a weird or funny themed hat! My friends mom made her oldest son these Pac Man beanies during a tournament in the late 80's that looked like he was trying to eat yer head! The shark idea is GENIUS!

[@timgosling6189]

I don't know what sources this guy used but there are a lot of errors. The Anderson-Donald incident was in 1955, not 1995 as stated, hence the ancient gear in the photos. So there was no formal cave training or certification, no literature, no established procedures and no Internet to look for advice from the wider diving community. There was no cave diving community. According to newspaper reports at the time, and contrary to the graphic, Donald led the way in and did indeed lay a line, as the narrator does finally mention when talking about the searches. But Anderson swam on past it to look around a vast chamber with multiple exits' He got lost in poor vis and with a failed light. Solo exploration was normal behavior for him so Donald was not worried, turning round and expecting Anderson to follow him in his own time. But he did not follow and it was only the next day a search team found his body, only a few feet from the line. Radium is an alpha emitter. This has very short range in air and practically zero in water so only really dangerous if you handle it a lot or ingest it.

[@mitchlindgren]

He said 1995 near the beginning of the video, but later on he correctly said 1955. Definitely confusing though.

[@colette14373]

I'm a 27 year old woman who can't swim properly let alone dive... yet I recently discovered your channel and I'm obsessed! I'm fascinated by the ocean and I have a great love for it. It is my dream one day to feel confident swimming further out and maybe even dive. I watch your videos every day and they're very calming and interesting. Thanks Gus and Woody!

[@JamieHenrickson-g7x]

That’s why I do love watching you both, wrong information about cave diving from so many, Woody and Gus you tell us like it is and love that.

[@strawberrydialectics]

i just love the juxtaposition of mrdiefied's casual cali accent and the terrifying stories hes narrating

[@jeannerogers7085]

@@strawberrydialectics There is a “cali accent?!”

[@Steph-zo5zk]

Polonium was discovered by nobel prize winner maria sklodowska-curie, to honor her polish heritage. She alsp discovered radium. I think Gus must thinking of someone else

[@kellz6266]

there was an asterisk with Polonium next to it when he mistakenly said Plutonium

[@IreneWY]

Maybe he meant her husband?

[@drswaqqinscheckingin7210]

@@IreneWY nah he discovered piezoelectricity

[@sandygrogg1203]

Awesome to see my two favorite divers together. You guys are the best, and I thoroughly enjoy your podcast. Even though, at 81, I have absolutely no intention of diving anywhere, at any time. And when I go swimming, I swim in the pool, where I can clearly see what is in the water with me. No lakes, for sure and I only weighed in the ocean. I know I’m a scaredy-cat. But I’m also 81 so I must be doing something right. Your grandma of five boys, Sandy from Cincinnati

[@mollypontmercy7322]

Love Woody calling out that the nonsensical narration seems like AI within like 2 minutes

[@wheresmyoldname]

But it's not an A.I channel though 🙄

[@poponachtschnecke]

His scripts may be AI. His voice is actually better here than when he started 😭

[@rosebud1659]

His scripts aren’t AI either he’s just very detailed which some people actually appreciate. It’s preference.

[@Purpie_Slurpie]

@@rosebud1659 detailed in being wrong lol

[@drake5917]

@mollypontmercy7322 the new old people thing to do now is to just say everything is AI 😂

[@coyotebitez]

9:56 those look like prehistoric cave paintings! people would hold their hands up on the wall and blow pigments onto them and create different shapes and silhouettes with their fingers

[@heathert9135]

@coyotebitez you are 100% right. Those are from Cosquer Cave. The cave has some painting of horses and other animals as well.

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

But this was just the A.I. Not knowing what its doing

[@toriedwards126]

Gus: what in the horror movie is this! Woody: its radium grown poison rock 😂

[@johndoe5690]

At 10:02 about the "nightmare in the making" photo, I'm pretty sure it's taken from an early trip to the Cosquer cave which was discovered by a diver not far from Marseille, France. So the nighmarish looking things on the stalactites or walls are actually prehistoric drawing, hand prints. The bearded guy in blue is probably Henri Cosquer, the (officially at least) discoverer of the cave. This is consistent with the fact that a previous still, a few seconds before, showed the diagram of how to access the cave from the "Mediterranean Sea" (so a bit remote from inland Georgia).

[@Twinkedink]

tbf Gus you are a whole different person now...if they have only seen old vids I would totally get how you werent recognised :)

[@poponachtschnecke]

He looks 10 years younger than when they started!

[@Maturleyglam]

I love your videos!! Im horrible claustrophobic from being stuck under a car after being hit by a car. Ive always wanted to cave dive BEFORE my accident.😢 thanks to you I can live Vicariously through your videos!!❤ keep up the amazing videos

[@AliceInBlunderland666]

Ironically I found your channel by accident after watching a video by MrDeified (Dei is pronounced as Day) which, also ironically, was one you had reacted to some time ago. Haven't been a sub long (just a little over a month maybe) but I've been hooked on your reaction videos since. Keep up the good work fellas and, I know I said this before in a previous comment but just in case you never saw it, Woody is looking great these days and I can _really_ see the difference when watching your older vids. 👍👍 Edit: I know this is technically not an underwater cave (but does still involve water) but would you guys consider reacting to the 1967 Mossdale Cave disaster? It's apparently one of Britain's worst caving incidents and I have to say I don't think it's an exaggeration, it really gave me the chills when I saw this a while back.

[@Yawpsie]

This channel should get more recognition, I’m a high school senior who wants to get into marine biology and I’m also very aware that we have to dive for certain jobs, so knowing this actually helps me and gives me the education needed while enjoying the video :)

[@KenMH2024]

Great channel guys! Cenote dives (I've done 7) are becoming some of my favorite dives

[@evanhughes3027]

Gus or Woody would be super fun to run into on a cruise. I feel like a goos BSing session could be had. "Wait, i missed it because he was....talking" ~Woody (unironically)

[@Sky_Pony_1_mic_sierra]

I want to see Woody and Gus go full "Mystery Science Theater 3000" on one of these AI videos

[@Difkament]

It’s not „the same guy that discovered plutonium”. It was a Woman that discovered radioactivity and elements Radium and Polonium.

[@avanellehansen4525]

Yes. Madam Currie

[@zerozero5073]

@@avanellehansen4525 Not only it's not written with two r, it's Skłodowska-Curie

[@lorainehayes]

The correction is on the screen if you saw it

[@aaronk534]

I love when they say its too dark to go into a dark cave. Makes total sense. The darkness obviously compounds and gets darker in a dark cave, so if its already dark outside.... I mean .... total sense.

[@Estakin]

" You Can Cover even more ground if you don't plan on coming out"?!?! 😬🙄😳😳😳😳 What a savage!

[@FredPorlock-1892]

Haven’t seen this channel in at least a year. Gus is looking fit and healthy.. good for you!

[@jablodoes]

that’s the cool thing about being youtube famous. of course there’s nuance to this, but most people who have 6 or 7 figure sub counts are still regular people, so you get to have fun little interactions with your fans like this that people like Mr. Beast or Logan Paul would never get to experience. An actual human interaction and not an immediate worship. I’m sure a part of them misses that 0:30

[@jintermont]

True facts

[@TheNuckinFoob]

1:58 I would think that being the first person to ever see an area in roughly 5 billion years is gorgeous, regardless of its actual look.

[@drswaqqinscheckingin7210]

but it's not coming from the cave, a rock wall looks like any other rock wall whether someone has laid eyes on it or not. It's the ego being impressed with the legend of itself.

[@youtubeconnollyfamily]

I have never went scuba diving in my life, but for some reason, I’m addicted to this channel😂 I do, however, want to go to a training course with my young boys. Just because of this channel.

[@shmeli]

You called it, the video was made by AI. So many unrelated pics. Mr Defied videos are not a good source of information. Easy for you to rip apart.

[@SpookiCooki]

Unfortunately that's a real voice. You can hear the subtle wet noises from the narrators mouth when he speaks. AI voices don't have those imperfections. The videos though are very random.

[@shmeli]

@spookiecookie I agree, I should have been more specific. Just the video editing, not saying ai generated images either, just the way it's edited. I've always thought the narrator is a real person, even though I'm not a fan

[@Wormhole-Bar-Concert-Venue]

yeah please stop reacting to his videos. they are hard to follow, annoying, and the voice narration isnt good either.

[@bennycarter5249]

Not his voice but yes ChatGPT wrote the script.

[@jimjohnson6944]

Mr Deified sucks

[@Dharmarenee]

Marie and Pierre Curie= Radium, Marie Curie=Polonium

[@mamasav7569]

I really enjoy watching your guys channel. Although I’ll never cave dive, I wish you guys safety throughout all your journeys!!!

[@jimmyyarbrough9883]

@divetalk I know people typically like the really exciting stories, but given that these guys were some of the OG divers I really appreciate you telling their stories as well. They are so important to the history of American diving. They are the blood that the modern rules are written in. Thanks for sharing their names!

[@IreneWY]

I love the channel where the video is from. Perfect for falling asleep 😂

[@SM-McKraken]

The Dorritos analogy had me lmao 🤣 That's gold, guys!

[@matthewstapleford7774]

Just found the channel. You guys are great. Gus, looking good, you've slimmed down from the older videos.

[@liamjames2956]

@2:06 is the perfect stamp to refer anyone to watch when they comment on here about something gus has said, which is satirical but his delivery is so good people think he’s being serious. Obviously we know he’s joking, because the subject is Doritos, but there’s been so many times I’ve seen comments bitching about something gus said and he was obviously joking. But they are too dense to realise. I’m high so maybe nothing I’ve just typed makes sense. But I know what I mean and I’m just gonna roll with it

[@minilea25]

Woody and Gus thanks for giving me some good laughs to start out my day 😁

[@8301TheJMan]

"You'll have at least 3 more years!" deep cut man lol

[@Vingul]

13:55 the awesome adventures of the MasterCard logo

[@skyeblueoceanx]

Sometimes I like to imagine how many takes you guys go through to capture the flabbergasted poses for the thumbnails and it makes me laugh

[@camrellim4515]

I have learned so much from dive talk

[@brennatarpley6010]

I’m trying to find the white Dive Talk tshirt Gus is wearing on the merch site but I can’t find it! When I see it on there, I’ll definitely get it! Thanks for the video guys!

[@lindsayjones3560]

I just came here to say I love your videos. I am not a diver myself in any way, nor will I ever be as I'm claustrophobic and scared to death of deep water....but Id love to flaunt some merch! Lol y'all are just awesome

[@jazdragen]

even amongst the AI-voice narrated creepypasta channels some are better than others. MrDeified's videos are trash, the complete non-attempt to have relevant images, the lousy writing, the lack of vocal inflection, I can't stand it, just pure garbage. even the channel name feels like a ripoff of MrBallen who is a real person and who does a way better job

[@jsomebody2289]

This is one of the few times I will say, "No, I vote absolutely call the military." This was in the 50s and at least military would have relatively safe equipment at the time and know things like to look for the body near the top because bodies will float. I know there weren't the traditional cave diving rules back then, but it's sad that the pair didn't get any of them right, especially since the search team knew enough to at least put down a line.

[@BIGxPAPAxRYAN]

The lead diver actually laid the line the video was just wrong about that, there's another comment up towards the top that breaks it down really well

[@Stuckiii]

A Dive Talk Plushie would be Awesome

[@JamieHenrickson-g7x]

Love watching you both!

[@newsing33]

09:46 I see Elvira! Fascinating cave! 🖤🕷️🕸️

[@Thoggard]

This is random but months ago i binge watch you guys so much that I had the worst most realistic dream about drowning not kidding

[@krakenonesixgaming6061]

I had the rules checklist the second I read diaaster in the title. You gents have taught us well. ❤

[@FlanmanBandz]

11:30 😂 "oxygen tanks " It's funny watching the dive guy's getting upset with,NON-Divers, using the wrong terminology!! Its not that big of a deal... they ARE, in fact, Tanks ... And they DO hold oxygen ❤ AIR Is made-up of a mixture of gasses, including, MOST IMPORTANTLY, oxygen...without said oxygen in the tanks, the divers will die ❤

[@Silicon-rp9zt]

10:51 Gus, I was on the floor 😂😂

[@koam7180]

You can cover even more ground if you just keep going 😂😂😂 I’m dead laughing

[@TenmasSchoolOfThought]

21:16 They call you because they want publicity, and you were right not let them turn a diver's life into a publicity stunt. The people in South Africa may be more experienced, but on the news headlines, "CAVE DIVING KZbinRS SAVES LOST DIVER" sounds more exciting.

[@newsing33]

You beat me to it in the beginning of the video. How in the world would they know the part(s) of the cave that no one has ever been to, is supposed to be the most beautiful? They made it sound like a fairytale, like it would be like Narnia in there!

[@viCoN24]

13:43 - If they were drawn as American Express instead of MasterCard, then we would have known everything went fine and everyone is alright.

[@jacobwadebrock]

Also the B-roll footage they used of radium springs, shows only the place where people swim, they aren't showing the actual cave, or the cave entrance. I'm pretty sure the diving footage isn't from radium as well. There isnt natural white sand there.

[@dannyherbert4482]

I wonder if Edd sorenson has ever had to remove gear to squeese through any gaps while on a rescue or body recovery, that would be a tense story.

[@twissaunders7196]

I hope u guys keep giving us more videos

[@muellermaxwell]

Sheck Exley explored this cave, there's a plaque with a map showing who explored what sections

[@hrtswrm1]

I really love your guys' videos. I watch everyone. You should pause the video when speaking as it becomes difficult getting information from the video and your comment. This is especially true when just listening to audio. Again, I love what you guys do, and I mean this in a positive, constructive way.

[@Payote88]

Hey, with all the hurricanes you guys got going on down there, it raise the question has anyone ever dived in a hurricane and what happens to the water in a cave during a hurricane? I imagine it siphones like crazy!

[@AnnariDuPlessis]

Those hands on the cave wall is a genre of cave art. People would hold their hand on the cave wall and blow pigment over it.

[@elen5871]

imagine how mind blown the cave people were when they saw THAT for the first time? up until then it was really stylized pictures of mammoths or whatever and then BAM! perfectly accurate silhouette of a human hand. must have driven them crazy.

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

Or it was the A.I. Not understanding what its painting here

[@noomitje8]

"It's one of the tastiest things in the world, is the Dorito" "Right but there's not uneaten Dorito's by you" "No I've never had that happen" "Exactly"

[@DiamondRidgeMusic]

Gus: “There’s not an in-eaten dorito by you though…” Woody: “Yeah, that would never happen.”

[@dlabor1965]

21:34 So, I think that if there's anything that people should learn is that if somebody is missing in a cave, call Edd!

[@brucewayneissupermanquinn601]

Man…I’ve never been on a dive. Never have been, and probably never will be (too afraid). But I’ll give you guys my money bc you’re so darn entertaining!!

[@MikeDodds]

17:40 Frog Kicks detected!!!!!

[@AsmarterWorld]

Murray and Donald dots makes me think of Mastercard 😂

[@jmax8692]

Imagine getting SO FIT in such a short time people have no idea it’s YOU well done Gus fucking motivational. My research diving has been put on hold for flight school but can’t wait to get back

[@ylbershatku2463]

Hey guys! Just wanted to say I don't dive and don't think it's a good fit for me, but I love the show and can't get enough of it! Lol, keep up the great work!

[@douggiles7647]

I've noticed this guy isn't the best at separating when he's using real photos/videos related to the story and when they're just random photos/videos found to play in the background. Most people benefit from creators doing that but Gus definitely needs it when he's asking about them having a GoPro while using "ancient Egyptian" scuba gear from the ~60's. 😂 I love your content guys, please don't ever change!

[@dimebagdave77]

So very interesting..many thanks fellas✌️🤘

[@looksgoodonpaper]

It’s the most wonderful day of the week!! 🎶

[@nancyjones6780]

He said nobody has ever been BEYOND that room not that nobody has ever been IN that room!

[@renkomon.8312]

Woody looked different in the highlighter green I didn't recognize him for a moment. This is what I get for viewing things at a distance.

[@johnathanmusser2689]

You should have a dive talk Woody beanie made. Like an octopus or something with the dive talk video, I'd definitely buy it lol

[@johnathanmusser2689]

Dive talk logo* I meant

[@foamige]

There is a Radium Springs in NM too. Just North of Las Cruces.

[@thestudent4144]

Maybe he didn’t recognize because he watched some of your guys older videos. You look much different now compared to just a few years ago Gus. Amazing job working on your physical health man, I’m happy for you. Keep up the great work, and you guys do make informative well put together content. Hahaha

[@connorvenegas]

Yay! New Video!

[@7thsigngonz]

you've never not eating doritos (yeah )🤣 you guys have your moments

[@juhbulis559]

I’d love you guys to make a video on the Tai diver who died. That felt like it was not talked about a lot around that time, and I always wanted to know the circumstances surrounding his passing

[@levantarpesas9972]

Wow Gus haven’t watched in like over a year congrats on the weight loss you look great!!

[@maciejkrzyzanowski1634]

Welcome Folks. I am from Poland and i am big fan of Your channel. Great work. By the way połoniny and radium was invented by polish scientist Marie Skłodowska Curie. Best wishes

[@Slugcat57]

I have no idea hey I watch this channel, never been diving probably never cave dive but I love watching them. Idk smth bout there energy

[@QueenGoatina]

we need a bingo sheet to see how many rules are guranteed to be broken 😂