Divide & Conquer (V4.5): Faction Overview - Rohan

[@feelingpine9123]

Another little feature of the Shieldmaidens is they're very, very fast with their 130 movement speed. Second only to Windriders in that regard.

[@rookcapcoldblood2618]

I chose to load up a custom battle as Rohan before I play as them sometime in the future, and I was absolutely stunned at how fast the shieldmaidens were. They zipped around the battlefield and nobody could even touch them. They got hundreds of kills by themselves with only 4 units of them.

[@swamperytooter8891]

Galu:so thats all the custom bodyguards Hama:am i a joke to you

[@melkor3496]

Poor Hama.

[@lamalas6325]

he did my boy wrong

[@swamperytooter8891]

@@lamalas6325 i laughed when hama got recked

[@Crallux]

Time to get the ban"hama"

[@steel58836]

Hama is also a custom bodyguard. He has Meduseld Doorwards

[@Jimbobiscuit]

They disarm enemy units except Gandalfs bodyguard

[@beekey720]

I would like to dispute you on something. The peasant scouts are a really powerful unit. Whilst their stats are awful, there are a lot of them. If you just charge, retreat charge again they get so many kills. In many of my rohan battles they actually got 200 - 400 kills per unit. And it doesn’t even matter if they die, because they are just dirt cheap and so readily available.

[@willc1294]

If you fight against rohan AI as another faction they throw a LOT of peasant scouts at you, usually with the gold armour upgrade so they actually can tie you up for a while just to hack through the sheer amount of them.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450]

It's the perfect anti-trash trash unit

[@Sebas-pc7pr]

Yeah even trash cavalry can be useful if you use them correctly

[@BobMcBobJr]

Not to mention that they are good at breaking units as well. Cavalry often doesn't have to do any damage in MTW2 to rout a unit; just the charge and added numbers are sometimes enough.

[@apollomars1678]

well in my XP the rohan AI tend to give the gen. title to a cav unit in a army and they tend to pic the scouts for random-chance reasons....than they get into enemy contact and die FAST and you won the battle on moral

[@Rachub]

You know what's weird in TA when you think about it Orcs paying taxes

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450]

They split the loot and the flesh from human slaves. Even the mongols had welfare

[@BernddasBrotB7]

Civilian orcs must be a thing to support the army, if nothing else. Sauron would undoubtedly tax them

[@nikitab.6600]

Well, you can imagine a couple of uruks walking around beheading anyone who does not give up 60% of loot. A corrupt destructive system of taxation is still taxation.

[@Uberdude6666]

@@BernddasBrotB7 I think Mordor at least uses human slaves a lot? But the misty mountain-orcs probably have civilians

[@BernddasBrotB7]

@@Uberdude6666 I doubt 80-90% of Mordor's population is human.

[@goodman4966]

"Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden! Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter! spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!" Théoden

[@TheRewasder97]

DEAAAAAAAAATH

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450]

*DEAAAAAAAAAAAAATH*

[@BernddasBrotB7]

Alas, such a shame that poor Eomer got his line stolen...

[@brownbandit2510]

Eowyn needs a script that has her spawn with shieldmaidens. Maybe after you defeat Isengard and Dunland

[@apollomars1678]

maybe if you defeat the witchking in a battle you get her, because the boys FINALLY respect her "nonexisting" balls

[@sauromatae9728]

will be funny when she gets a wife and kids.

[@Vee_9001]

@@sauromatae9728 good guy Aragorn, rejected her because he knew she was a lesbian before she did.

[@mahtiwaari2426]

Theodred and Eomund should have biography traits. I always add them for my game as it is easy to do but still it would be nice to have them included for those who don't know how to do it. Erkenbrand and Elfhelm could also have biographys too as they are known characters.

[@abrakadar]

I remember playing Rohan campaign for 150 turns and keeping Hama in his hometown all this time for some reason, and on the 150th turn I discovered that he his custom strategic model and custom bodyguard. DaC is full of surprises :)

[@andreslombana2983]

Yur vides always give me peace I put them whenever Im working just to listen to something, I really like them. Then after work DIVIDE AND CONQUER

[@presidenteantonioconte1363]

Man are you joking? Just yesterday I started a Rohan campaign and I searched for your faction overview, but it was a bit outdated. Thanks for the great content, as always

[@GorksOrc0]

For the difficulty rating might I suggest doing a poll on the subject with each faction overview and asking the community, many of whom likely played as the faction, to give their input? I know personally in the case of Rohan I would give them a 1 entirely because of how OP cavalry can be in the hands of a human player. But for many other factions this could avoid the issue of not having personally played the faction and you can always adjust the consensus of the community with your own opinion if you feel they are mistaken.

[@logycaa]

If I can give a small suggestion for the next version. What about the Guard of the Caves being a crossbow unit? Rohan has a huge archer deficit, so the Dwarven script would become a way to compensate a bit.

[@naturalbornpatriot6369]

Or just add dwarven travelers to recruitable in the glittering caves building

[@theultomateone1]

Damn it looks amazing, im already downloading it! I see mod is now only one file, not 2 parts anymore,is that right? Also are you people working on 5.0? Many many thnx in advance for this amazing work!

[@davidant8901]

As I recall, they are. Galu's mentioned some of the changes coming down the line in the various let's plays on the channel. I think that the Ered Luin series is played on the more recent developer version.

[@SirHector1999]

Hey what do you use to download this mod? I'm struggling trying to use 7 zip, there are so many tutorials for it but they are all different so I'm confused.

[@swamperytooter8891]

Yes hes doing an ered luin campaign to show the early changes

[@swamperytooter8891]

@@SirHector1999 use winrar or notepad++ or go watch galus vid on how to install

[@SirHector1999]

@@swamperytooter8891 don't you have to buy winrar? Is it worth the buy?

[@lordperhapsontheroof6242]

Love your faction reviews :D

[@callummcghie6957]

Literally just started a campaign w these dudes, v well timed

[@MrHort55]

i luv this so much your amazing and may tolkien be pleased with this

[@user-iu4uk2ty5e]

I’m currently playing as Rohan and having so much fun. Managed to wipe out Isengard in about 20-30 turns. Took out their main army with a cav heavy force (replenishing Eomer helped a lot) then sieged Isengard down to about 5 depleted units. The last stand army was HARD. Managed to get myself into a situation where I had to face it with a full stack but was lacking infantry. Had to put helmingas on the front line to hold and they did fantastic. Think I ended up losing Gamling, Theodred and 2 more generals.... Eomer came out the victor with about 100 men remaining. After that turtled up, rebuilt a stack then swept the rest of their towns bordering enedwaith and dunland. Awesome faction to play as.

[@zaluk1041]

The argument for why Rohan is the best cavalry nation (being that they have worse stats than Dol Amroth) is that they're more readily available. But their best units are restricted to massive degrees. I think the restrictions are a bit much, and some of the elites should be available everywhere. If you're Rohan and you're expanding, to get your good units you have to send them all across the map. What's the point?

[@hamarbiljungskile8953]

The point is to make it challenging and make you think in advance.

[@FraenkischeRep]

yeah, I found that annoying too, so i changed the requirements in the files or sped up their recruitment time

[@joevenespineli6389]

@@FraenkischeRep How do you do the latter?

[@FraenkischeRep]

@@joevenespineli6389 in the export_descr_buildings go to the equivalent recruitment building. then look for the unit. there is a line with requirements at the end and some numbers before them. one of them is the replenishment speed. it has a value if around 0.06 to 0.12 or so. The replenishment is 1/Number. I think the recruitment time is the number before it, but I am not sure. there is certainly a guide out there

[@TheRewasder97]

Who else is missing? I think Isengard is, or at least I didn't find it when I was taking the hobbits there Also, regarding changing the starting date, it has some problems. For example, the expedition to Moria. By the time when it happens Moria has fallen again to the goblins, so you would be killing one dwarven faction, or taking more gameplay wise licenses. I think having some wierd ages is better, as the age of the character doesn't really show that much, but removing a faction really changes the world.

[@SNWWRNNG]

On the other hand, Dunland and Isengard attacking Rohan before 3018 would have sweeping concequences - Gandalf would have had a lot more on his hands, but he wouldn't get trapped on Orthanc by Saruman, preventing him from meeting Frodo in Bree. The journey of the ringbearer, the central story of the end of the Third Age, would have been very different, if it happened at all. Balin and his dwarves surviving until just before the Fellowship showed up wouldn't change much in comparison.

[@pepijnoosterhuis6121]

It’s Isengard, Dunland, Khand and Mordor

[@TheRewasder97]

@@pepijnoosterhuis6121 thank you good sir

[@pepijnoosterhuis6121]

I think the order after Lorien will be: Isengard, Dunland, Khand and ending with Mordor

[@TheRewasder97]

@@pepijnoosterhuis6121 it'll be fitting for Mordor to be the end of all.

[@ashertony1]

Shieldmaidens are one of my favorite units. Wrecked Mordor and Harad with them.

[@ayylmao575]

Anyone else hear an audio crack at around 5:30?

[@TheRewasder97]

Indeed

[@SerafimRCabral]

After he says "within the first few turns [*Crack*] "

[@TheSecondPrimarch]

i do

[@gray740p]

Rohan is def not an easy one as Isengard crushes your infantry and spawns in pike units as AI. The only reasonable advantage you got is Cavalry and the dwarves, perhaps archers too but their Crossbowmen and raiders will tear your archers and units to shreads

[@feelingpine9123]

True your cavalry is your only advantage over Isengard - but it's an enormous one.

[@valentintapata2268]

@@feelingpine9123 There could be an armour piercing unit equipped with a war hammer, named after Helm Hammerhand (as a reward for killing Dunland, very expensive, and only available in Hornburg), perhaps a small and simple script (sending a diplomat for example) for which you would be awarded with a single middling unit of Lothlorien archers in Hornburg (when they are killed, they are gone, you can't recruit them). But this is more of a filler. I would like corrals, Rohan was famous for its husbandry.

[@50ULL355]

Depends on your playstyle imo. I cheesed the hell out of isengard and they regicided around turn 15.

[@50ULL355]

@@valentintapata2268 i believe galu mentioned no new units are going to be added to the game

[@gray740p]

@@50ULL355 Yeah after I wrote the comment I actually managed to destroy Isengard on round 14 by basically winning huge battles and killing Saruman, and their major Generals in an Isengard siege

[@MasterGrimbart]

Has anyone here ever played a defensive siege in the Hornburg as Rohan? I'd like to hear how you did it, because I feel like you basically have to deliberately not resist the Isengard onslaught for like 30turns...

[@majorianus8055]

wow. nice a new.video. I was wondering yesterday why theres.ni Rohan and just watch the video a year or so ago

[@swamperytooter8891]

Major changes if this is set in the war of the ring Frodo and company Balins demise so no more dwarves of khazad dum Angmars defeat Rhun will be unified cuz its rhun in the war of the ring The nazgul will return quicker No more agandaur Thats it that's preetty much it I suggest to keep agandaur or to not change the date cuz hes the one good thing of angmar in the early games

[@Shatterfury1871]

Both the Northern Dunedain and Angmar don`t have the numbers to be playable nations since the second age.

[@swamperytooter8891]

@@Shatterfury1871 i meam Aragon was a The chieftain but agandaur got defeated long time ago and to put the timwline im the war of the ring they will need to expand aragorn script so it ends in the year of his coronation

[@forrestadams9340]

@@swamperytooter8891 I think you're confusing Agandaur with the Witch-King. Agandaur is from War in the North game, which is set during the War of the Ring, partly representing the little talked about Northern campaign of Sauron.

[@Vuile25]

Hey galu, isn't it an idea to let you trian the meduseld doorwards in the golden hall? So it gives the golden hall more purpose....

[@aaronrowell6943]

rewatching these- Pull out without taking so many loses, giggity

[@ethanblair981]

Holy crap! That's the same ice cream tune as my local!

[@keziahfern7449]

If you rush Isengard with all of your garrison units, you can quickly kill lurtz saruman and ugluk and destroy them before they get op.

[@JorjiCostava-]

So true. I managed this by turn 8.

[@lamalas6325]

currently invading dunland on my rohan champaign! absolutely love this faction, but you gotta be good with cavalry otherwise you are going to have a hard time. took me till turn 43 to take out isengard, which i think is pretty fast. they did capture helms deep and foldburg, but i kicked them back across the isen.

[@JorjiCostava-]

Turn 43? Turn 8, lol.

[@belisariusvera2211]

The actual Battle Overview 11:27

[@giorgioiamoni3606]

btw - On the Riddermark Cavalry bio, I think towards the bottom there is a spelling mistake of the word "devision" where it should be "division"

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450]

You can submit grammar errors on the discord and trust me, there's a lot of them

[@Trubripes]

"If you don't like flour don't eat Cake" :D

[@LyricalDJ]

Has the Ered Luin choice caused any discussion regarding changing the glittering caves script? Personally, I quite like the script and it'd be a shame if Ered Luin choosing the rings would preclude a player from completing the script (yes, I know technically Ered Luin go neutral. That and Rohan doesn't start allied with any of the factions in Eriador. So maybe I'm just being concerned about nothing). Of course I am pleased to hear about the plans to add on to Rohan's campaign (being one of my favorite factions although mostly cavalry armies are a bit of a micro nightmare). There seem to have been visual changes for quite a few Rohirric units. I very much prefer the older models. It's not that the new models are bad, but rather that they don't look as Rohirric to me. Maybe because I am used to the old models.

[@spyrofrost9158]

Old video, I know. But I got Royal Guards (pre barracks event) by getting the final upgrade for the horse breeders guild in Isengard.

[@galvatron0810]

I remember seeing a unit on a Pixelated apollo video of a battle between rohan and isengard and seeing a unit for rohan named the marshals of the red, they were a two handed hammer unit and had long red capes but it sounds like a cool unit for the marshals bodyguard

[@feelingpine9123]

He was playing Reforged not DaC. They're different mods.

[@galvatron0810]

@@feelingpine9123 oh yeah that was the name of it thanks, maybe he could port the unit over

[@feelingpine9123]

@@galvatron0810 No we don't need it.

[@galvatron0810]

@@feelingpine9123 thats what you think

[@Ganadoes]

I know this isn’t V5, but how do you get Shieldmaidens? Currently doing a playthrough here on YT, I’ve reached roughly turn 100 with 30+ settlements. Not a single unit of shieldmaidens are recruitable anywhere. But I’ve got access to every other unit mentioned. 🤔

[@brinklight0074]

Cool overview, I gotta say I love cav, meaning Rohan is one of my favorite factions. V5 Marshalls sounds pretty cool, although I hope we can get something for Erkenbrand since he is the lord of Westfold/West Emnet and the chief defender of helm's deep. Plus in the books it is he who saves Helm's Deep with Gandalf, making him at least a bit important. Speaking of cav though, since Dorwinion will be getting Privateer Cavalry and Merc choice for Bree also gets them, are there any potential buffs we might see for the Privateer Cav? They used to be really good when they had AP, but with the removal of AP they generally just lose to most other cav. Melee cav typically have higher stats/bonus vs cav (like Gondor Cavalry), OR they have AP (like Riddermark Cavalry). The Privateer Cav feel super weak to use right now in 4.5. I am not saying they should get their AP back (although that would be nice) but maybe a slight stat buff across the board could be useful.

[@BobMcBobJr]

Rohan is definitely a 1 in difficulty. If you play smart, you can have a single difficult battle and the campaign is over. Just pile all your starter troops together and ram them into Isengard by turn 5. This will spawn the one difficult fight, the Isengard last stand army. Sometimes, you don't even have to fight it. I actually baited it away from Isengard and it broke up to go after different targets in one campaign. In another, I killed the faction via regicide when I took the city so the last stand army turned rebel and just stood there leaving plenty of time to deal with it. Extra tips: Scouts are OP. They break the enemy nicely, chase them down just as nicely, and are stupidly plentiful. Bridge battles suck. Group all you cavalry together in one army. They work better that way. Infantry for sieges, cavalry for field. If your cav doesn't have any infantry to slow it down you can outmaneuver the enemy armies on the field and pick off one unit at a time, or slowly pepper them with arrows/javs, or snipe their general... If you have infantry then you lose the time advantage as the enemy will chase it down. Likewise, cav is pretty useless for sieges. There isn't enough room to charge for melee cav or have an escape route for the ranged cav. (Unless the AI decides to pull a dumb and sally out)

[@aaronbaum54]

I might be wrong, but isnt there also an Eorling Swordsmen unit at that first tier? I remember using swords fairly often when playing Rohan

[@joevenespineli6389]

That was in previous versions I believe, tis now a post barracks event unit.

[@lirielbaenre3313]

Can you do a top 10 pikemen and spear inf?

[@jessegreen6138]

AhTravesty took out Isengard in 5 turns playing Rohan, Galu. You can see the campaign here on KZbin.

[@BernddasBrotB7]

Rohan allied with the Galadhrim, despite seeing Galadriel as mysterious witch who entraps anyone stupid enough to go into her creepy forest... That's a bit odd, I must say. As for the date change, I approve of that, it resolves a few issues.

[@tlacuacheguerrero218]

If I remember well, they also make them allies cause they tend to go to war against each other.

[@mfagdag]

Hey Galu, ı have a question for you. Im currently installing DaC v4.5 but it gives the same error everytime. It’s says “large_castle_12_square_arrow_tower_roof_animation_a.anim Move file failed; Code 3” My hands are tied I wanna play the mod but I can’t please someone help me. Galu I will be so happy if you help me with this.

[@abrakadar]

I think this is what happens when you have "Medieval 2" twice in installation path, like C:\Games\Medieval2\Medieval2. I had similar error, it happens because installer adds "Medieval 2 -Total War" itself

[@mfagdag]

abrakadar I’m trying it now thank you kind sir

[@1985belmondo]

Hi, great mod, for starters, and good Youtubing :). Now, to business. I think that Rohan, compared to other factions, has too many units that are province specific, meaning recriuitment tied to specific province, especially at higher tiers. It is quite annoying to have to run many of the good units to their specific towns to retrain them. What do You think? I mean, yes, IF one plans to defend Rohan, then yes, it isn't much distance, but, compared to other factions, which can recruit good units away from home, Rohan, cannot and it is a bit painful to expand. I have found myself often times running with low-mid tier units because I could not recruit or replenish mid-high tier units anywhere. Keep the vids coming, keep the mod developed.

[@arturravenbite1693]

Rohan gets their mainline units everywhere as well as shieldmaidens elite unit. The other elites are restricted because that's how every faction works

[@johny16G]

Am I missing some reason, why theres no script based eowin with shield maidens? Save for this, Rohan is lit, even after playing it like 20 times

[@naturalbornpatriot6369]

Ikr? Hands down my favorite faction not only to play as, but thematically they are my favorite.

[@arturravenbite1693]

The riddermark cavalry are S++ tier imo I prefer them to everything short of royal guard and they can be better than royal guard against heavy elites

[@maryconnolly5581]

Can any one tell me when you get the glittering cave event decision in 4.6 or just generally? Just want to make sure everything is working right

[@naturalbornpatriot6369]

It depends on how quickly you ally with Erebor or Ered Luin. A message will appear not long after alliance prompting you to accept of decline allowing a colony there. It costs 5000 florins to accept. After that, it takes another 8-10 turns for the next message saying you can recruit the dwarves. Then, another message will tell you wait another 2 years before it’s fully operational. Dwarven culture will increase in Hornburg, unrest shouldn’t be an issue though. A maximum of 2 guards of the caves in the recruitment pool when all is said and done. I may have some of it mixed up, but the script works just fine. If you play correctly, by the time you get a dwarven unit recruited, Isengard should be all but destroyed. Push to Tharbad and Eregion for a total of 24 settlements(I give Tharbad to Dunedain and Eregion to High Elves). From there, you can do anything you want. Anduin vale is likely to be hanging on for dear life by this point, sending a stack of cavalry with a corps of peasants following behind for garrison/sieging into the Vale’s just for the trade resources, and extra economical boosts from the handful of settlements you can get up there(this would be around turn 100, depending on how good you are with cavalry). Gondor should be struggling hard against Mordor. Simply move across the Anduin at Rauros, besiege Gelebrin with a mix of infantry and cavalry, while another full stack of cav patrols around waiting for the Mordor stacks that will be sent to face you. Mordor is a pushover for the Rohirrim. 1 cav army can(if you’re good with cav) take out 2-3 full stacks of orcs before needing to withdraw and replenish. Long winded, sorry, I get excited about Rohan lol. Hope this was helpful, if a bit late

[@heavyhoplite0]

I see shieldwall was removed from the Peasant Militia lol. They used to be so op for their cost. Though that was several versions ago.

[@TheRewasder97]

Any advice regarding sieges? With cavalry focused factions I usually wait for them to sally out, as cavalry is not very good during a siege. Well, having a couple units to roam inside the city and rearcharge, put pressure on the square. But when over half your army is cavalry because your infantry is so bad, I have trouble knowing what to do during a siege. Something similar happens with bretonia in tw:w2 xD

[@50ULL355]

As rohan you really shouldn't ever fight defensive siege battles. Always take fights on the open fields where you can make full use of your cav. Or you can cheese the AI.

[@alexlaskowski3650]

Ik it's a year late. But I usually have an army of foot soldiers and 5-10 units of just cav. That way if you need to actually siege you can, and the cav army takes any standing army our of the game

[@TheRewasder97]

@@alexlaskowski3650 the problem is that Rohan's infantry is quite bad, especially when you compare it to Isengard's, your first enemy. Sieges in med2 are an infantry grind, but if your opponent has a few decent units inside, you can't just take it by force with basic Rohan infantrymen.

[@thewarlord9279]

How do you see all the settelments and factions in divide and conquer? I mean the toggel v thing or someting.

[@swamperytooter8891]

You need to go to console commands and write toggle_fow If dont know how ill make a vid or watch galus

[@joelincz8314]

cool, thanks

[@michaelcastellano588]

Favorite faction tbh

[@victorlagier988]

Hello, first, great mod, fantastic! Second, I conquered Isengard on turn 8 with Rohan, but it crashed the game... is it because it's forbidden to do it, like, you have to wait for Theoden before taking Orthanc ? I am confused, and the battle to take Isengard was really hard with only 900 men, so I don't want to do it over and over again and see the same result every time... Any help ?

[@sotiriospeithis6659]

I can't wait to play with Rohan. I do wonder, however, why the general unit is slightly weaker than the elite. The difference is negligible, so it doesn't really matter, but I wonder nevertheless. Would it not be more reasonable, lore-wise, for the general to have the pick of the best?

[@richardlong5738]

Hi again! I have found a bug in battle gameplay: always when Guard of the caves try to throw axes game crashing. Maybe, anybody know how to fix this?

You need to either 1) install the mod as the instructions say OR 2) edit the descr_projectiles to use the same name as the folder you called dac.

[@richardlong5738]

@ Ok, thank you. I'll try and write about the results

[@richardlong5738]

@ Thanks, the second variant helped me, just edited the desired description and everything works)

[@jellyhd4178]

What happened to the West Mark Marshalls (the red shock infantry unit)?

They have never been in DaC.

[@underscore_mallard2721]

Hey, I have a question. Does yoir game crash when trying to select a settlement for a siege or is it just mine?

[@Laureasairon]

That's normal. There is a sequence in which you have to select the settings so as not to crash your game, but I forgot how. Try looking up Arachir's custom settlement video.

[@underscore_mallard2721]

@@Laureasairon thank you so much for telling me this, you saved me from hours of boredom!

[@richardlong5738]

Hi, mod is awesome! I'm playing Rohan campain now and praise this cavalry focused faction) little question: could Theodred or Eomer have wife and children? I'm on 80+ turn and both of them hadnt any heirs (only adoption avaliable) yet, is this bug or I just have a bad luck? Maybe there are some features for this characters?

[@gilianstaelen3087]

If you as a dwarven faction come in possession of Helms Deep, can you also train the guards of the caves?

[@thiagoflugelhill2399]

how do you leave the map like that?

[@jimmyjoyce3554]

galu could you add to the cave script so once you accept it you get a rather powerful dwarven general with either guards of the caves or an elite dwarven unit of whichever dwarven faction you ally for example if you ally ered luin the bodyguard of the dwarf general will be long beard pike men or another elite unit of ered luin and similarly if you ally Erebor it could be the dragon slayers or another elite erebor unit obviously this elite unit will be a complete one off and wont be able to be trained so once the general dies you no longer have access to the unit

[@PolluxA]

What do you mean when you say the bodyguard is dependent on security level?

[@sm7083]

Some traits give + x Security, for example the Faction Leader or Faction Heir trait, and each + to security increases their unit size slightly. He points it out because if you were to give a Faction Leader an OP cavalry unit they would potentially have an abnormally huge unit with OP stats which would be particularly unbalanced.

[@ericmeyer5474]

Size of the bodyguard unit is influenced by personal security the more you have the bigger the unit will be. Likely why kings and heir have bigger retinues than their normal counterpart.

[@mitchconnor7297]

One of the only things I did not like about The Third Age was the morale; morale was way too high, especially for crap units like goblin archers. You would have a unit of 200 entities and they would fight and not break until there were only like 8 left. This does not seem very goblin like to me.

[@baeromir]

Depends heavily on whether or not there's a general in the army. Without a general you can break them with one charge in the back, but that angry orc voice screaming move at the back keeps them around for longer

[@BobMcBobJr]

Also, taskmasters. People forget that a single chanting taskmaster can keep a snaga unit fighting to the death. That's how you take Imladris on turn 2.

[@JirkaGasik]

Out of curiosity - the discussed difficulty, whether given a number or not - is on which campaign difficulty setting?

[@BobMcBobJr]

It really doesn't matter. It's comparative to the other campaigns.

[@dainironfoot5198]

Rohan is really good as a faction now, but isn't it a little weird that it's starting army is so full of infantry? I mean, Rohan is very much a cav nation, but in the beginning pretty much all your battles will be infantry, with cav being few and far between.

[@Vampirewolfking]

That's because the starting army is basically just the garrison of your settlement. Cavalry doesn't do well inside settlements

[@dainironfoot5198]

@@Vampirewolfking This is true for the defensive settlements on your border, but also in the garrisons of settlements further back there's very little cav to be found.

[@Xboxlove1]

charge in this game seems so broken xd with almost no cavs from isengard you can keep cycle charging pretty much any army isengard has and destroy them 10:1 consistently, ransom their troops and build a massive army early xd on vh/vh I took isengard in I think 20ish turns

[@punkkid827]

That thumbnail though.

[@mitchella.9102]

I killed all of isengards generals in like 6 turns and it was so easy after that

[@bdavis6383]

will you ever do a playthrough of rohan

[@Shad0wthr0ne]

That's an interesting point of order that I don't think you mentioned. I think that all of Rohan's cavalry units had a move speed of at least 115-120%. Is that just normal for cavalry or would it be fair to say that Rohan generally has faster cavalry tier for tier than other nations? Also say cavalry again XD.

[@feelingpine9123]

Yes Rohan and Khand are roughly tied for the fastest cavalry in the game. Most cavalry is only about 100% speed.

[@kanefelarca7660]

You should make the Eored Footman a pike unit, since they have 4 SPEAR AND SHIELD units and no pikes at all

[@joevenespineli6389]

I mean lorewise they really have no use for those pikes, they don't usually face that many cavalry that their very own cannot best.

[@jameshenderson5705]

I think Rohan gets farmhand pikemen, but they aren't shown here because a lot of factions get them.

[@hunsler1006]

I totally understand that eowyn was not a general of Rohan. And I'm not sure how the game would work with a female general But I do think it would be cool to have Eowyn and a bodyguard of shield-madens

[@scorpion5574]

Iirc female generals mess with the game's family trees

[@harrytornado9081]

Please keep on giving the campaigns a rating. I know its a massive point contention, but that is part of the fun ain’t it. Just don’t let your critics shut you up. Nobody really cares if you’re completely wrong or right anyway.

[@DonnyTheButterlord]

"After defeating Isengard the campaign will be very easy." Not when the evil forces are winning almost every battles everywhere else,its turn 60 and mordor and the Khands are already deep into gondor lol

Honestly, with Rohan's cavalry and no immediate threat remaining. the campaign is joke level easy. Have you actually played as Rohan?

[@DonnyTheButterlord]

@ i wasnt expecting a reply 💀. But yes its my first time and since you're here,love your vids!

[@jakralj456]

The only thing I dont understand about the roster is how the swordsmen can have bigger attack stat than two handed axes haha

[@feelingpine9123]

The axes also have AP. That counts for A LOT.

[@MrMenuga]

i think bodyguards number must be buffed a bit in numbers. Make them stronger vs Isengard

[@naturalbornpatriot6369]

It’s an easy change to do it yourself. I made it to where they have 25 normally, but that goes up the better the general is, and specific ancillaries/traits.

[@synomuumi]

Arise, Arise, Riders of Théoden! Fell deeds awake; fire and slaughter! spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor! Out of doubt, out of dark to the day‘s rising I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. To hope‘s end I rode and to heart‘s breaking: Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!

[@HoneyBadger1779]

*Calvary bodyguards are ridiculously overpowered in the hands of the AI. They are literally made of paper mache when you charge them into the backs of unarmored trash tier skirmishers.

[@Fyrebrand18]

ARISE RIDERS OF THEODEN!

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450]

SPEAR SHALL BE SHAKEN

[@dusk6159]

There are already a lot of comments throwing that, the complete version too.

[@Fyrebrand18]

Dusk TheHunter I sent this when I first clicked on it, and that was when the vid was at three comments.

[@sheepykilly711]

Eorl the young

[@scopeseye]

Noice

[@LUCKYcREBEL]

I don’t think Rohan is easy at all. The spam of Isengard is almost impossible to keep up with its crazy. They have multiple full stack armies, of way more superior troops consistently bombarding me. I fight the battles with great wins but I loose some troops of course only 1 or 2 turns later to be bombarded again. With no way for me to recruit more troops. Can anyone give any advice on what to do with Isengard?

Isengard swarm you at the beginning with their surprise industrialisation BUT, once their large standing army is defeated, they suffer massively with their low region start. If you can whether the storm (which many people report is simply done with sheer cavalry numbers) then you can roll over them. I have seen people win in as little as 5 turns - despite our efforts to make them harder!

[@LUCKYcREBEL]

Arachîr Galudirithon okay thanks for the info

[@tlacuacheguerrero218]

I feel like is kinda boring to play as Rohan. If you win against Isengard you pretty much won the game, and depending on how you manage to administrate cavalry it can be pretty easy or pretty hard (maybe). But overall, there is not a real challenge aside of letting Mordor be for several turns. Neither I feel like their roaster is very versatile having several units restricted to many locations, I think there's only one way to be efficient with cavalry and that takes a lot of how versatile your army can be. It's not entirely boring, but in comparison with other nations they don't really shine.

[@joevenespineli6389]

I agree, once Isengard is beaten you can stomp all over the Dunlending and the clans of Enedwaith.

[@prazeodyn836]

Rohan has only two hard battles - with Isengard starting army and in Isengard itself. If you're lucky and Lurtz leads first one and you cheese Isengard siege the same turn, you can regicide Isengard in turns 2 or 3

[@harrytornado9081]

Why would you cheese if you know you’ll make it a doddle?

[@naturalbornpatriot6369]

I disagree. By the time you fully conquer up to Lond Daer and Bhaille, having the River that Tharbad sits on as a natural border, you’ll have 24 settlements under your control. Without excessive cheating or cheesing, should put you at around turn 100-120 (this includes culture change in all those settlements). If you wait to recruit from all those settlements for the recruitment pool to fill up, spending the extra money on more building, by the time you recruit all rohirrim variants, you will have 96 cav units recruited in 2-3 turns. By this time, Gondor will be struggling with Mordor, and the Anduin Vale will be clinging on for dear life. With the 5-6 full stacks of cavalry you should have ready by now, 4 for Mordor, 2 for the north. Never mind the settlement’s, you have plenty, just charge their armies. 5-10 turns of doing this will so weaken the orc factions that the good AI will actually act on that weakness and push back. If you aren’t fighting Mordor by turn 140-150, you will lose. If Gondor falls while you are still fighting the wild men, you will lose.

[@Kbarbie97]

Nerf rohan they shit stomp isengard AI every game ive played lol

[@jonystyles9473]

should have better points in defence and attack...

[@naturalbornpatriot6369]

Change their stats yourself! It’s what I do. I emphasize more defense for their infantry, as they are anglo-Saxon based nation. Thegns and shieldwalls etc. 1 extra charge to all infantry too, in light of lore they are a very warlike people and value valor in battle. As for the cav, well, I like to drop the upkeep of at least the rohirrim and archer variant to 100 upkeep as well as upping their unit number to mirror peasant scouts number, 91, which is only 10 or so more than original number. This helps with mitigating the fact that only 2 out of the 7 starting settlements start with a stable built. Once you have a stable in every settlement, it is game over, close the campaign and call it GG lol. No Rohan has such a fun playstyle. Their theme, the music, the absolutely epic charges. I always like to take everything up to Lond Daer and Bhaille, natural border at the River that Tharbad sits at and Eregion. For a total of 24 settlements. Rohirrim can be recruited with just 25% culture. By turn 100-120, those 24 settlements can all churn out their light cavalry. I like to wait til recruit pool is maxed, then recruit them 4 at a time per settlement. That’s 96 units of cavalry in 2-3 turns. Lmfao!

[@jonystyles9473]

@@naturalbornpatriot6369 kkkkk what an answer man keep calm take a breath xd Yes thats a nice idea ill change the specs a little, at least the meduseld and the lancers should have more comparing to other units of other factions... first thing is to defend the westfold and win Isengard, at least for me The most anoying unit are the easterling chariots... way to strong, its not even ŕeal for me a chariot beating 50 horses... will do a nerf, at turn 100 they get really annoying, specially when u go with Dale

[@naturalbornpatriot6369]

@@jonystyles9473 I tend to give up Foldburg basically, just leave a single peasant unit to make the ai use a turn to siege, usually the ai splits their armies up in a way that makes the gap between Gineard and Foldburg a kill zone for a cav force. I’ve found that while just eating through Isengard’s start armies, putting 4 or 5 peasant militia in your main cav force (early game) allows you to better micro against the AI. Splitting their army on the battle map, with a line of schiltron peasants as an anvil. I actually tweaked the buffs of ancillaries as well, cheated them into characters too. So, an all cav force under a combat general, can cross from Foldburg to Tirith Anduin in two turns. As far as the wainriders, just, don’t go to Rhun? Out of all the times I’ve played Rohan, I never really fight Rhun. I go as far north as Eregion and Tharbad, then turn around to Mordor. Sorry for the long winded response. I am in the middle of a play through with Rohan so it’s all fresh. I am really curious of the future plans for “flavor” with Rohan. Dwarven script is good, but I saw someone mention to make a crossbow dwarven unit available as well as the original. But perhaps just the basic archer dwarven travelers would make more sense, and give Rohan more missile infantry capability aside from eorling and helmingas. What do you think would make more flavor?

[@marcusromulus5646]

Two things i can think of to make the Rohan campaign harder, but negligable for AI Rohan. The first is script-spawning small bands of Mordor Orcs, basic axe units, near the border of Rohan's easternmost province and the two rebel ones north of it. Only 6 mordor units, so the Rohan garrisons dont have to be more than 4 units. The second and main idea would be to drop Theoden's authority to 3/10 for 20 turns+. This makes it very likely for armies without generals to rebel. I believe it also slightly affects the morale of units on the battlemap, despite who the commander is. It doesn't affect garrisoned units and just makes the player think of where to send their units. As far as i'm aware the AI isn't affected by low Authority of faction leaders so AI Rohan shouldn't have any problems.

[@justsometimber1nthelake873]

Guys idk about you.. but this game not only crasshes it self, it even crashes my pc sometimes.. that sux.. and i have a gtx1660ti and R5 3600.. anyone knows if its possible to fix the crashes?

[@floflo1645]

it should not crash your PC, ask on reddit or TWC if it happens to other. My laptop is fairly odd and get really hot every time I played but M2TW never crashed it, only itself. Maybe try the 4Gb patch, you can google it then apply it on the kingdoms.exe

[@justsometimber1nthelake873]

@@floflo1645 thanks for the response

[@LUCKYcREBEL]

Run a corruption file scan it might show something it did for me! Also check all drivers but I’m sure you know this at least

[@swamperytooter8891]

For the love of god when is gonna be mordor

[@trollwayy5981]

I know, I know I’m a horrible human, but I just absolutely hate Rohan. Maybe it’s because Isengard is my favorite faction, I don’t know, but I just can’t find a reason to like them..

[@trollwayy5981]

I like, to a certain degree, every single faction, bar maybe Anduin, but I would consider playing. I don’t know why but they aren’t my mojo. I’m still going to watch just for Galu ;)

[@joevenespineli6389]

Fun to play with lots of cav maybe?

[@trollwayy5981]

Joe Nelly khand, also I really love infantry.. so that’s also another reason. If I want to be a good guy, I’ll play Gondor or Woodland realm

[@joevenespineli6389]

@@trollwayy5981 Guess the only fun I had with Rohan is fighting Isengard, after they're defeated it becomes pretty boring.

[@trollwayy5981]

Joe Nelly yeah, I cannot do that, I love Isengard, I will respect the power of Isengard by attacking them after the BE with gondor

[@ahumpierrogue137]

I don't understand why DAC has this obsession with making cavalry bodyguards small and not very strong. Yes, they are OP. That's great, I WANT them to be a bit OP frankly, I don't want Theoden, Eomer, Imrahil, Aragorn etc. to just be sitting in the back fondling themselves when I play in the late game, I want them to be going out and fighting battles and being generally strong and badass. Imagine if in Warhammer CA decided to make the heroes super weak because otherwise they'd be "too op". Frankly having some OP generals can just be a bit fun. Obviously not everyone needs to be super strong but I just wanted to yell my opinion into the void if only to just say something. EDIT: For a more constructive less ranty comment, is it possible that the Fords of the Isen could be changed to a unique battlemap out of curiosity? Kind of like Dunharrow could it be a tile(not a settlement) with a unique map? Could be quite cool, especially since it's basically the only battlefield to my knowledge where we know the exact specifics of what it looked like that isn't a stronghold. And also just so it isn't a bridge(as IIRC there is no bridge there or anywhere on the Isen, it's just Fords).

[@floflo1645]

Don't worry, they are still OP with 30 bodyguards. They are not as OP as the base game bodyguards and they are more fragile but you can still cycle charge with them and get 200 kills easily.