Dividing the 5th into 18 instead of 7!

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Dividing the perfect 5th into 18 equal intervals on harpsichord and microtonal guitar. Dividing the whole tone into 5 instead of 2. Having fun with my dear friend Johannes Keller at Harvard University’s Center for Renaissance Studies.
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[@nbooth]

Legend has it they are still learning their scales to this day.

[@JonesCrimson]

FR tho I want to see it played

[@stevierubalcava5924]

Well Said 🤣

[@mysty0]

And the Human Collective still will be for the next 50yrs

[@joshviggiani9844]

​@@JonesCrimsonprepare to keep waiting... lol

[@WhiskeyBiscuits23]

oh snap

[@calebharding8221]

Trombones: "look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!"

[@mausisbestwaifu8376]

Fretless instruments exist

[@Maverick_coolguy]

​@@mausisbestwaifu8376no they dont

[@Maverick_coolguy]

​@mausisbestwaifu8376 they don't becuase this is the Pythagoras Theron and with that being said, you divide it by sixteen because four meurses in a either bar foe a quarter note. I'm John music I made music, and I approve this message!

[@calebharding8221]

@@mausisbestwaifu8376 yeah, the trombone is a great example of a fretless instrument

[@mausisbestwaifu8376]

@@calebharding8221i used to play trombone but now i play bass, a fretless bass is like having a trombone with four separate slides at different lengths. Its the same concept

[@SAnsola2]

Chord: G2²(7#)K+aug

[@fyuuredhijgfzregjjygtdftyi6021]

😂😂

[@oshkiv4684]

Don't forget to add the milk and butter too

[@Piano_Board]

holy shit how did you do that XD

[@Wrount-rx6uq]

Typa stuff we play in jazz band

[@Tommy-Tom-Tom]

Underrated comment lol

[@100cool_]

The harpsichord tuner looking on in abstract horror as he enters the room and sees this:

[@Jack-zj1ug]

That sexual tension at the end 💀

[@robertrice5097]

yo whaaaa

[@notkwcly1368]

the one tension musicians aren't use to

[@shinisaber]

Was about to comment that

[@arvaneret_329]

I hope you were joking...

[@wickylinn7026]

i thought they are gonna kiss

[@finnmcool2]

You just want to see music theory students cry.

[@GMJ7320]

Real talk tho. Microtonal music is where I'm at rn and it's great, far more interesting than just playing with western scales like melodic/harmonic major/minor and their modes.

[@DarrellVermilion]

​@@GMJ7320It's neat for a bit. 😅

[@anonymouskeys929]

Microtonal still uses the same concepts just with a spectrum rather than anything particular.

[@joemarais7683]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@GMJ7320music graduate here, microtonal music makes me want to die. I get the appeal but it’s just wildly difficult compared to the acoustic payoff. It’s crazy shit

[@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179]

@@joemarais7683 Wdym "wildly difficult"? There are entire cultures in the world that have been playing music that isn't in 12-TET (our western tuning) for centuries now. It's not that hard. However, ofc, de gustibus, you don't have to like it and I totally get that. After all, people have wild reactions to it, it's basically like discovering a fourth spacial dimension, haha. For the record I've been studying music for more than a decade now, and I've composed a couple 24-TET songs, with frankly not such difficulty.

[@semenshestakov2247]

You kids ain't ready for that yet, but your dads are gonna love it.

[@seanonel]

Thanks Back To The Future! No truer words ever said...

[@byg2na249]

i get it! i finally get a youtube comment reference!

[@KaityKat117]

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[@rottingemptiness]

I got it , ALL 3 of them , bought them on DVD , years ago 🙂🙂🙂

[@CatPower100]

The harpsichord looks so beautiful!

[@multim6571]

Microtonal piano is not real. It can't hurt you. Microtonal piano:

[@michaelheath1194]

I think this is a microtonal harpsichord.

[@cseggerman]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Vicentino Basically it solves the problem othwr instruments with fixed notes have: the inability to play in all keys without compromises. We currently jam flats and sharps together on the same key but they aren't the same note, and this gets apparent when some keys sound awful on them.

[@whyamiwastingmytimeonthis]

⁠@@cseggermanumm, a regular piano has that already solved, what do you think Bach wrote the WTC for?

[@cseggerman]

@whyamiwastingmytimeonthis There’s debate on which temperament Bach used. Even in even temperament you get some keys where the intervals are a little grumbly if not the "wolf notes" of earlier ones. There’s some theory Bach's temperament is shown in the squiggles on the title page of WTC. Well-Tempered is not necessarily "equal tempered."

[@karlrovey]

Wait until they demonstrate the arceorgano (microtonal organ).

[@thenormie]

That just sounds like me tuning up my guitar strings 💀 Jk, sounds awesome!

[@SarahIlayda]

Very trueee hahah

[@thefourthwritedjentleman3643]

No it doesn’t sound good at all - sorry - just IMO of course

[@oa115]

@@thefourthwritedjentleman3643 I agree. It sound off to me and I just struggle to listen to it without thinking "fucking hell that's out of tune"

[@yeasstt]

​@@oa115 that's because this isn't a piece. It's a demonstration

[@maktub224]

@@thefourthwritedjentleman3643 listen to altin gun then

[@LyndanTylor]

The way they bask in the ending sustained note like they just finished playing the most beautiful song 😂

[@Dr.JeremyDunks]

That fretboard is NUTS

[@thefakeslimshady3844]

Flight of the bumblebee in 4k

[@ceelothatmane9421]

*tears up in 4D experience*

[@BLMeredith87]

😂😂😂

[@drankurbaruah]

That's an underrated comment in 2D

[@matu-7203]

THE FUCKING BEST COMMENT

[@austint9079]

Your brain is artistry.

[@ryanphillips4123]

Ah, the anxiety machine.

[@juancho31]

Bro you got me rofling 😂

[@AlexC-tc7em]

LMAO

[@Bikewithlove]

I’ve seen this kind of thing before. The people into this stuff tend to be kind of nutty. There’s a reason it hasn’t taken off.

[@Gastemaz]

​@@Bikewithlovebruh mucrotonalism is used in alot of traditional music

[@Bikewithlove]

@@Gastemaz - bruh no it’s not bruh.

[@Gee-no]

Beautiful, man. Ive been subscribed to microtonal guitar for years. Great stuff.

[@microtonalguitar]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@ricaard]

An (almost) fretless piano! WANT!!

[@InnerVisions68]

I was waiting for These Boots Were Made For Walkin’ to break out

[@hectorquinones5579]

Same!

[@InnerVisions68]

@@hectorquinones5579 😂

[@whoami.....]

imagine to tune that💀

[@nashmono7086]

same as tuning a regular guitar or string instrament

[@whoami.....]

@@nashmono7086 i mean... time...

[@newmeta2668]

@@whoami.....​​⁠​⁠​⁠It's still just tuning 6 strings so not that time consuming. Though I suppose it would need to be tuned more frequently because it has to be more precisely tuned to assure the microtones line up properly.

[@whoami.....]

@@newmeta2668 i mean piano dude

[@mandusbpb2314]

​@@whoami.....that isn't a piano

[@monstrousmoss]

as a music theory student this is SO COOL and I wish I'd gotten to learn about it

[@yea4253]

No.

[@monstrousmoss]

@@yea4253 why not?

[@giuseppeagresta1425]

I'd love so much to learn about microtonal music but it feels like it would be sooo overwhelming The 12 tones system is a pretty decent compromise at the end of the day I think

[@GreenPointMedia]

Very interesting! I would be interested in hearing a composition using this microtonal collection of pitches.

[@MaleScientist]

You just heard it ^_^

[@BeeBwakka]

​@MaleScientist this ain't a composition

[@sus-kupp]

I suggest Hear Between The Lines, they make pretty sweet songs in 31-tet.

[@GreenPointMedia]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oae7aJqElMuEjrM I listened to this. Having been in school bands, the dissonances were disturbingly familiar. :-} It was nice to see people doing it intentionally and not angering the band director. I will listen to them more. This is worth investigating.

[@karawethan]

Look up Nicola Vicentino, he was composing in this system back in the 16th century!

[@todorkovacevic]

Tolgahan saw a piano one day and said "THIS IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING MICROTONAL ENOUGH FOR MY TASTE" The consequences of this event can be seen in this video

[@microtonalguitar]

😂😂😂

[@joshua2400]

Jesus Christ the sovereign God cherishes you my friend you matter a lot to the Holy Trinity who miraculously healed me of my years long chronic breathing issues thst palgued me for years, doing this healing instantaneously

[@graysonwilson3343]

@@joshua2400 Jesus Christ would be disappointed in the spelling mistakes you make in his name.

[@hobbit-the-tenor]

@@joshua2400what context does this have to the video or og comment?

[@ericwilliams538]

​@@hobbit-the-tenorhe can now breath properly when playing guitar!! Duh!!😂😂😂

[@nram3930]

Crazy mechanics on that harpsichord- gorgeous!

[@bronktug2446]

imagine tuning that monster

[@SchizoCannibal]

​@@bronktug2446And you have to tune one after every damn song you play.

[@Tatokala]

​@@bronktug2446i would shot myself.

[@TheBurningEngram]

That has to be one of the most spine chilling notes i've ever heard, holy shit.

[@kelvindominick8184]

Sounds beautiful

[@travroy]

These boots are made for walking

[@williamwolter3170]

That's what I heard also

[@user-ellievator]

@@user-lu9ll2bc1l but all these chromatic notes will walk all over you.

[@tom_something]

Glad I checked to see if someone already said it before saying it myself.

[@PoulLarsenmusic]

i heard it too

[@LyricsQuest]

Ces bottes sont fait pour marchent

[@runa_wayra]

Beautiful, just waiting to hear actual music made with both instruments together

[@fartsneed9464]

Just 20 more years!

[@dangelobenjamin]

Keep waiting

[@runa_wayra]

@@dangelobenjamin Still waiting

[@XRROW_]

You won't they keep making instruments nobody actually plays

[@pw1045]

Woah this was wild! 🔥 👍🏽

[@AB-1023]

That piano is awesome

[@jtjjbannie]

I feel almost educated.

[@johnnykobra7256]

whoa that microtonal guitar is crazy!!!

[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

Haha, yeah! What are those little dotty divisions: um... subfrets, or...?

[@jaydenlangford778]

The coolest thing I have ever seen.

[@naturallyherb]

Amazing!

[@stephenweigel]

THIS IS TOO COOL

[@The_SOB_II]

Stephen, i like your wiggly music

[@The_SOB_II]

Oh damn dude, 39-cent steps could be a really nice basis for a scale

[@longtoast6788]

Ravi Shankar has entered the chat

[@Dayanto]

31 TET (38.7¢) is definitely one of the more popular microtonal tunings.

[@thatguyineverycommentssection]

or 3 for 99¢

[@dhsaw82]

That keyboard setup... never seen that before

[@MRSTU1210]

Piano looks awesome

[@Trobtwillis]

Harpsichord, but yeah. 👍🏻 🎹

[@eizel_2327]

* dwarf fortress starting *

[@lucaslopez7833]

Forreal

[@Aerox90]

I want a microtonal piano! 😃

[@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179]

That's a harpsichord.

[@tacitozetticci9308]

Get an isomorphic one, not this monstrosity lol

[@gfilippou]

Yea that was awesome

[@HisXLNC]

This is amazing.

[@privateNukem]

🎶 You keep sayin' you've got somethin' for me...

[@donovanholm]

Me when I'm tuning my guitar

[@KingDeadMan]

This is the thing I've been looking for! I've been wondering what my keyboard has been missing, and it's been those harmonics!

[@nkronert]

I think I'm pretty satisfied with the equally tempered scale 😊

[@henrygomez7190]

May their love for each other continue to blossom ❤

[@joe_ita]

King Gizzard watching this video: _It's free real estate_

[@livingbeings]

Omg I love it

[@npvuvuzela]

That’s lovely

[@TeoSmiler]

these keys are definitely made for walkin!

[@jennydeaf9O9]

haha yesss !!!

[@asmithgames5926]

Amazing! Now I want to hear a song. I've always wondered what would happen if the notes were divided up differently.

[@bunnyofdoom4501]

Wicked game, Chris Isaac

[@TheShadeySide]

sounds so good i’m mad that more instruments don’t use these increments

[@samuelwillie9676]

Violin has entered the chat

[@TheShadeySide]

@@samuelwillie9676 i mean i play trombone so same idea… but i play modern music so rhythm section instruments are always in standardized tuning

[@samuelwillie9676]

@@TheShadeySide You do have a fair point. There a very few songs which do quarter half steps in the music tho, modern music tho doesnt have it much sadly

[@averyintelligence]

sounds good?

[@LostCause36]

Sounded like you were gonna play Wicked Games by Chris Issak at the start.

[@giovannimoriggi5833]

Actually it's way more These boots are made for walkin'

[@Nascent9]

Congratz, it sounds like you're tuning your guitar :'D

[@mrz80]

A microtonal harpsichord?!?!!?! DANG.

[@loren8888]

WHAT I would DO for a 31 edo instrument! I have all the computer software, and a practical understanding of theory + notation, and all I lack is an instrument for my hands to learn. Gah!

[@fagnersousa5906]

Jacob Collier approves these instruments

[@Jurica-mtb]

This is crazy. 🙂👍

[@marcomeckel6540]

ITS awesome

[@justinhenryhaynes]

Beautiful craftsmanship. It reminds me of some very well made accounting software that allows me to do all my dollar values in base 15. It’s a lot more efficient because when you are working with large numbers they appear shorter on the screen. Of course you have to learn new names for all the numbers and you have to build a community of users who you can hire from to run it. The IRS hasn’t quite caught up to the need for base 15 dollar values, but it’s only a matter of time.

[@WillieWeed]

@justin • I'm waiting for a 13 month calendar with the same 4 week 28 day length every month but 1. And do away with the time change. But common sense doesn't seem to be all that common.

[@hyperbaroque]

​@@WillieWeedYou'll screw up all the astrologers!

[@squidwardshouse5431]

Sweet! Can finally play those ACDC songs that seem to be in the no mans land between E and Eb. 😅

[@fyuuredhijgfzregjjygtdftyi6021]

And anything Nick Cave sings is now (nearly [might just need a few finer increments]) correct! 👍👌

[@jorgeisaacgonzalezprieto6590]

Wow!!! Exelente

[@Trobtwillis]

Very groovy! 🎸🎹

[@StephenMooreOfficial]

I always felt like western music theory really limits themselves with their whole 12 note system. There's quarter steps and 8th steps etc etc. But you don't ever see instruments with them in the west. Most often you see it in Chinese/Japanese/Korean/etc music. They use instruments that allow you to hit any note similar to a fretless instrument like a violin. You can get some really cool sounds out of half steps quarter steps and everything in-between.

[@achillessergios798]

Thats not really true, all string instruments are fretless and will tune up or down on a note often to make a sort of mean temperament naturally depending on the key. Especially in chamber music. Same goes for western choral music. Also almost all music before the common practice period used a vast array of complex tunings not limited to just quarter or 8th notes

[@StephenMooreOfficial]

@@achillessergios798 oh shut up.... Do you not have anything better to do than to be all "well TECHNICALLY thatsh not right. All shtringed mushical inshtruments can...." Bla bla bla. Get a life nerd.

[@thedankknight8333]

Trombone

[@bronktug2446]

If you think a 12 note system is limiting, then maybe you are the limited one

[@yoosh9034]

Some modern western musicians use microtones in their music. Two examples that jump to mind are Jacob Collier and Australian band KGATLW. It is less common in western music because it wasn’t a part of the musical tradition of the west. That said, I prefer to think of it as more of music’s rich tapestry and just a different perfectly valid way to approach making music and art than a limitation. Some of the most beautiful music ever written was created by the twelve note system.

[@brandonTHEshiados]

Damn. I thought they were about to bust out a cool song right at the end

[@Mothloverforever]

That’s honestly really cool

[@hackdog69]

Very cool

[@dimensiontv5634]

Awesome guitar 🎸 bro!

[@xtrmcontent]

I thought he was gonna play “wicked game”😂

[@robertskinner6487]

They seamed quite pleased with themselves at the end

[@phoenixslender6541]

the last two notes sounds like "hello darkness oh my friend" to me

[@HeyItsKora]

it's pretty crazy that my "out of tune" is someone else's "in tune". Music is mysterious in so many ways... The whole thing about minor sounding sad/major sounding happy being culture-dependent or not is so fascinating. I can't imagine hearing a minor chord and thinking "that sounds happy", but other people can. Not to mention, _why_ does it sound happy, sad, good, bad or whatever, I mean what does _happiness_ sound like at all? Well to me, in its simplest form, it sounds like a major chord! haha It's so damn fascinating, and that's without even getting into microtonal music which to me just sounds out of tune, but as I said to other people it sounds as pure as the 12-tone scale we're used to in the West! Super interesting stuff

[@mon0light]

I know most people just divide it this way, happy or sad, but it's so much more complex, minor chords can for example create melancholic music resolving in an euphoric way and there's nothing sad about it

[@hyperbaroque]

Being perplexed and mystified sure beats being chauvanistic and self-centered. So you're basically on the correct path of understanding.

[@aleclyrae1804]

musterious, huh. Ima go listen to edgar winter frenkinsteen now

[@FullSpeedSkateboards]

What it sounds like when I down tune

[@antonfofivegor5659]

WOW, SO COOL

[@pbabiesinspace6112]

Damn that's cool.

[@Palabrito.J.]

Nicely done! This is the best cover of Cbat I've heard yet!

[@gavinclark6891]

unjustified hate for baroque instruments here

[@ranman7688]

That last chord was gorgeous. Tingles.

[@mrz80]

KIng Gizzard called. They wanna borrow that harpsichord :D

[@MrMitchjos000]

Look how Inlove they are!

[@nomad_0036]

I need to know where i can buy one of these. I want. I need. i crave

[@danytalksmusic]

My guitar teacher: never play on a fret! This guy: plays only on the frets.

[@soulslur]

Mm. Beautiful instruments and talented musicians

[@TorenGamingTheGAMER]

That slide noise is DOODOO

[@VaChiee]

dude wtf, revolutionizing music over here

[@DMSBrian24]

Is there any music that doesn't sound bad that you can play on those?

[@scottashe984]

No

[@loren8888]

​@@scottashe984yes

[@ItsAsparageese]

To you? Nobody else can answer that question, because subjective taste is subjective. It's personal. It's opinion, not fact. The FACT is that plenty of people have the opinion that microtonal music sounds good to them, and their opinions are just as legit as yours

[@raidergoons]

sounds like me on my guitar when im tuning down or playing with the strings before i remove them as i unwind them

[@scottmatznick3140]

That is a cool harpsichord looking thing

[@Hello_there_obi]

Great. Now write a piece of music with multiple instruments 😂

[@merlinambrosius4398]

Indian music... they've been doing it for a few thousand years.

[@Hello_there_obi]

@@merlinambrosius4398 and turkish too! I just mean with lots of other instruments playing chords etc. If you look at indian music. A lot of the ensemble are composed of rhythm instruments and accompanying instruments like a sitar that provided a drone of a single note. This allows you to use microtones more freely. But if you were to try and harmonise it in a chord or with other instruments…oof

[@merlinambrosius4398]

@@Hello_there_obi ah I see your point. Maybe that's what improvised jazz is attempting. 😁

[@TravisTerrell]

That's a good point. Without completely identical instruments, trying to tune up must be an exercise in futility, haha. And trying to get the intonation perfected on a fretted instrument. 🤦‍♂️

[@michaelchen1046]

Jacob collier uses half sharps in his songs

[@FexiSponge]

I love microtonal music, you just can accomplish things I would have never thought of. I hope y'all do some music pieces with these

[@yea4253]

No.

[@lautaroacerbi1138]

Seeing that harpsichord, all my knowledge about the keyboard faded in time, like tears in the rain.

[@dutch_blades]

My brain was expecting Wicked Game in the first second.

[@beloved9]

As Pythagoras found, 7/12 power of 2 is closer to 3/2, or the just perfect fifth, than 18/31 power of 2...😢 However, 10/31 power of 2 is much closer to 5/4, i.e., just major third, than 4/12 power of 2 ‼︎🎉

[@henrikljungstrand2036]

Well 31/53 power of 2 is MUCH closer to 3/2 than 7/12 power of 2, and also 17/53 power of 2 is much closer to 5/4 than 4/12 ( = 1/3 ) power of 2. Even 24/41 power of 2 is much closer to 3/2 than 7/12 power of 2.

[@beloved9]

@@henrikljungstrand2036 Exactly. That's why I like 53-equal temperament. But I like the 270ET and 311ET even more.

[@henrikljungstrand2036]

@@beloved9 Yeah well we get some decent temperaments even with 72ET, 87ET and 94ET. 118ET is almost 5-limit JI and 171ET is almost 7-limit JI. 342ET is like 171ET except in the 11-limit. But 270ET is almost perfect for 13-limit music, since it tempers all the smallest *superparticular* 13-limit commas, while it doesn't temper any large or medium sized such commas (in the patent val, that is).

[@msruag]

i don't understand a single thing in this reply section but slay

[@beloved9]

@@msruag The reason why there are usually 12 steps in an octave (12ET) is that the seventh of the 12, the "perfect fifth," is close to the genuine pure perfect fifth 3/2 = 1.5. In fact, 7/12th power of 2 ≈ 1.4983. However, the pitch of the major third is not close to the just major third 5/4 = 1.2500, because it is 2 to the 4/12th power of 2 ≈ 1.2599. On the other hand, in the 31ET presented in the video, it is the opposite. The perfect fifth is inaccurate at 2 to the 18/31st power ≈ 1.4955 (This is essentially what "INSTEAD 18 OF 7" means!!), and the major third is accurate at 2 to the 10/31st power ≈ 1.2505. For both to be accurate, a more microtonal temperament (such as the 53ET, 118ET, or more) is needed. I hope this comment helps you understand. : )

[@sorin.n]

Jacob Collier approves! 😅

[@ThumpingThromnambular]

someone should make a microtonal midi controller keyboard thing. I'd love to jam around and experiment with it.

[@Trobtwillis]

I think that exists. 🎹

[@microsoftice6498]

It is propably big fun tuning it

[@ThreadedNail]

Beautiful! If somebody did a music theory video with this instrument maybe they would actually teach something other than C major. Probably not though. 😅

[@sage1682]

I hate them.

[@ubernate860]

Back when I tuned pipe organs, they had one at Yale with double sharps. That thing was a pain in the ass but it sounded amazing when the correct music was played on it

[@TheAamott12]

It's almost the intro to wicked game

[@sallylauper8222]

They put the π in πiano.

[@edgewatersbestguitarist1524]

Lmao so that's : "pie-E-on-O"?

[@sus-kupp]

​@@edgewatersbestguitarist1524no, π is greek for p