DIY How to Replace Shower Faucet Trim Plate and Handle [Moen]

[@jeffostroff]

Parts used in this video: DANCO Tub/Shower Trim Kit for Moen, Brushed Nickel: amzn.to/2H7nq5A DANCO Tub Spout, Pull Up Diverter, 6 Inches, Brushed Nickel: amzn.to/2RCyg7q

[@Diana.Prince]

Hi Jeff, I bought an older home and I want to change the shower faucet and tub spout. Do I have to stay with the same brand because of what you pointed out, the proprietary nature of the trim sets?

[@reneehuff3084]

I just found you, and KNEW MY HUSBAND WAS WRONG! Thanks for showing him that we don’t have to demolish the wall for new faucet!

[@jeffostroff]

@@reneehuff3084 glad to help renee

[@gmaher17]

@@reneehuff3084 Same! We don't want to mess with the tile in any way, and one contractor said we'd need to cut a hole behind the opposite wall to get at the valve. This video saved my wall and hundreds of dollars.

[@rogerhuff2602]

I really appreciate you pointing out the error of previous caulking. As a DIY guy, I would never have known to leave the underside free of caulking

[@jeffostroff]

Yes, the counter-intuitive stuff is always important.

[@banon6531]

I can’t seem to find what he’s talking about, but do you not caulk the entire thing plate?

[@courtlandmiller]

@@banon6531 8:11

[@banon6531]

@@courtlandmiller thank you!

[@tiennhuynh28]

Definitely good tip!

[@MidnightHeartbreaker]

Jeff, you just saved me a lot of heartache and headaches. We're trying to do a shower reno. We like our existing shower head as it is new, but we wanted to change the faucet trim and handle because it definitely hasn't been changed since the 1980s. We had no idea that in order to change this, the faucets come with a valve uniquely designed to fit it. There was some miscommunication and misunderstandings around what we wanted and we missed our opportunity to change the valve when the wall was open and all the pipe work was being done. I was feeling so despondent. I was about to have a brand spanking new shower and going to be stuck with an ugly faucet from the 1980s! I looked up shower trims to see if I could at least change the plate if not the handle and low and behold I came across this video. I may not get the exact faucet I want but this is a million times better than what I was about to end up with. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for making this video!

[@jeffostroff]

yes we have done just the face lift a few times and it does make it look better

[@ginapeak8723]

I sincerely appreciate how thorough you were! You’re a great teacher! My bathroom really could use a total gut and redo but I just can’t do that right now. This will solve my issue and make things better for now.

[@jeffostroff]

yes just changing the hardware and removing the old caulk out of tile corners and running new white silicone makes all the world of difference

[@evelynvalladares5012]

I like how Jeff’s voice lowers when describing the smell of smoke coming from the neighbors unit. Jeff is very considerate.

[@mawoo42]

Man. I was stumped on how to take my trim and spout off. Super old, probably from the 80s. This video showed me the light.. Thank you sooo much. You rock! (Very similar to American Standard brand)

[@jeffostroff]

Awesome, glad to help out, and thanks for watching our video.

[@enriquesanchez2001]

JEFF - YOU are the BEST TEACHER... - No quick and dirty solutions that never work out. YOU give the advice we NEED. MUCH appreciated! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@jeffostroff]

Glad to help

[@swisschoco25]

So my moms shower faucet is JUST LIKE THIS. My moms house was built in the 60's so I'm helping her to "modernize" her house since I'm living with her now. Trying to upgrade older houses is a challenge and there aren't many videos on KZbin to help. Thank you for this video because now I dont have to call a plumber just to achieve a more modern look for her bathroom.

[@jeffostroff]

thanks for watching Stephanie, glad to help out

[@Phyl625]

I wanted to thank you for pointing out the model of this shower faucet. I am in the process of a mini remodel of by basement bathroom and I have a very similar faucet. I was able to purchase the new Moen trim and knob kit from Amazon. Thanks again for your help.

[@jeffostroff]

Way to go Phyllis!

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

The Guy at Loew's wasn't trying to be much help yesterday. I should've got in KZbin first and looked for a video like this. That way, i could've bought the right stem while I was there buying mulch. I don't like figuring things out and thanks to this video I won't have to. Thank You.

[@jeffostroff]

Awesome glad to help out

[@ashhall4681]

I always come to KZbin first. If I can do it myself I certainly will, I only call in reinforcements if necessary

[@JB-hb9mi]

JEFF!!! This was sooooo HELPFUL! I had that exact notch, and had no idea I needed to shop around the notch for Moen. Returning my Kohler faucet handle now... THANK YOU!!!

[@jeffostroff]

Glad it helped!

[@peterscherer2355]

I was pretty sure Charlie Sheen was narrating this video… made it that much better!

[@carlosdiscounts1407]

Great video, really appreciated the clear well lit camera angle behind the faucet of the 4 pipes intersecting in the middle where it mixes and comes out. Family's piping from the 80s is like that and helps understand what the plumber needs to do to make it more modern.

[@jeffostroff]

Glad you liked it!

[@robertlevy4613]

I was hoping you made a video about this! I came to your channel first to find the fix for this. I need to replace mine in the shower due to a leak. Thank you Jeff!

[@jeffostroff]

You be Robert, glad to help!

[@amoreenahoeffler7106]

This video was perfect for my husband and I. I happened to buy before watching and turns out I bought the same kit you did but in black. Thank you for posting and for the tip about caulk at the bottom! That was helpful!

[@jeffostroff]

Awesome, glad to help out!

[@amysmith1501]

This video is perfect for those who need detailed explanation.

[@jeffostroff]

thanks Amy!

[@Hopespringseternal]

Thank you! Going to change out my folks in their new, built in 1990, condo. You gave me the confidence to go for it. Such great info! And I involuntarily started bopping to the music ☺️ Great job and very much appreciated!

[@krido4769]

This is SUCH a helpful video! Could you please direct me to the next video for how to replace the tub faucet and the shower head. Thank you!

[@jeffostroff]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaHanXuooaxgqLc this shows how to change shower head, I don't have one on replacing tub spout yet

[@donellegrove9883]

I know this is 2 years old but seriously thank you explaining all this before I go to Lowe’s tomorrow & look like a fool when they ask me questions now I feel prepared instead of making 4-5 trips, your video was super helpful.

[@jeffostroff]

Glad I could help donelle

[@michelledebellis6918]

Jeff you made a impossible possible! and so easy thank you for the tips and parts I ordered from your site and everything went smooth as ice.

[@yasminsahagun5401]

haha thank u for making this video i purchased a kit on amazon and i was almost about to start with out turning the water off 😂

[@jeffostroff]

Glad I could help! you can do it without shutting off the water as long as you are not removing the shower cartridge.

[@GlockPunisher1]

Once he takes the plate off, it exposes the pipes. The two screws one on the left, the other on the right ... those shut off the water so there is no need to shut off the main water source for the home.

[@GlockPunisher1]

@This is my LITE don’t block the SUN i am sure about this. All it takes is to turn them then turn the shower faucet on to see if there is any water.

[@Roberturban78]

I needed to change my guest's bathroom out and found your video as a guide. Perfect advice- thanks for the help.

[@rorober.1423]

Thank you for info. I have a older Condo ( 1974) and a slow drip at the faucet. Hope the faucet and handle can be found

[@jeffostroff]

Yes, usually they can be found. If you have a drip, it is likely you need to replace the cartridge, be sure to shut off water before you pull the cartridge out if you decide to replace it.

[@Smashinator86]

74 will proly have asbestos.

[@JenniferZagelow]

Thank you this was perfect. I also appreciated the caulking tip!

[@arturovega9070]

Si escuchan a la señora Tania cuando empieza a correr como le hace… mis amigos aventureros ellos se quieren comunicar con ustedes hellos aveces tiran piedras o canicas or marbles!!! You guys I’m very so proud of your excellent experience just be careful Tania and Jose the Aventureros number ONE!

[@moreno4u]

Great videos sir! I haven't even bought my parts, but now I have a better idea what's coming ahead.

[@jeffostroff]

Awesome I hope it works out for you in don't forget to apply silicone afterwards to seal the round the top and sides of the plate.

[@Johnebegood]

You are the best at informing how to do stuff thanks man 👨

[@jeffostroff]

Thanks John!

[@Mike49if]

Great tip about caulking only the top. Couldn't understand why my shower fixtures were like that, now I know. Thanks!

[@jeffostroff]

Happy to help! Thanks for watching Mike!

[@richnarin]

THANK YOU, just...THANK YOU!!! Love the detail and the tips along with the installation. My God this was eye opening...did I say THANK YOU!

[@Nnon11026hj]

Awesome video. One question. Looks like you replace push/pull knob to a "turn" knob? How does that work with same cartridge for push/ pull knob ?

[@jeffostroff]

The leaver still pushes in-and-out like the knob dead it's just a different shape from a knob

[@paunchouspilot6757]

Exactly what I was looking for to replace my original. Neither H.D. or Lowes had it. Thanks

[@pwbisme]

It's cool that Mike Judge is doing DIY videos too.

[@dg4053]

Love videos like this STRAIGHT TO THE POINT yet very informative still.

[@jeffostroff]

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

[@dancexmassacreex]

I am a 25 year old who is about to attempt this with my condo. Happy this video was so helpful! !

[@jeffostroff]

Nicole, glad you liked it

[@mikedavis3404]

Saved my bacon. Awesome video

[@nastrodomis]

Thank you for the caulking tip! I did not know that. I need this exact wall plate and am having a hard time finding it at home depot. Also, I believe the original installer used permanent thread sealant on my tub spout, so when I tried to unspin it, it snapped off the copper pipe. Good thing I have plenty of experience soldering copper from my air compressor technician years. New spouts are so easy to install!

[@jeffostroff]

I can't imagine pipe doping hardening up like that, maybe they used some other type of cement, or maybe they rusted together.

[@Crossword131]

I'm having the same problem. I stopped short of snapping the copper line, thank God. Is there a way to get a faucet sleeve off if it doesn't want to budge? Thanks.

[@gourikaur6774]

Thank you for the informative video! I was able to avoid paying probably a hefty sum of money to a plumber!

[@jeffostroff]

Awesome, glad to help out

[@dlowery51]

Great advice about not caulking the bottom.

[@jeffostroff]

Glad to help Lumberjack!

[@frankthehero4606]

Our old knob is a pull out knob. When you pull out, water comes out and then you turn for hot or cold water. How do you replace that kind of knob. It looks exactly the one you have on the video. Yours don't need to pull out but ours does. Thank you.

[@lindalav1477]

I need to know this answer too.

[@toddpoolman8051]

Jeff's handle/knob pulls out too. Same/similar type. Center cap comes out ( small flat head screwdriver ) and you'll have access to the screw that holds the handle/knob on.

[@ldsinks1]

So, I would be okay to unscrew the knob and spout to get the needed measurements, etc. before needing to turn the water off? Thank you your time and explanation. It’s greatly appreciated!

[@jeffostroff]

That is correct, just make sure you don't pull up on the vertical spring clip that holds the cartridge in the valve, and you will be fine. Otherwise if you pull out that clip the cartridge shoot out and water will start gushing.

[@andrewodom5063]

Thank you for this video. I was about to buy a Delta shower kit. My existing is a Moen exactly like in this video. Glad i watched before buying. It looks like that existing shower had a push pull but you replaced with a handle. Do you still have to push pull to turn the water off?

[@GURUKHAN_OG]

I really learnt something about caulking! @9:20 .

[@jeffostroff]

Glad to help out of thanks for watching

[@jackzouyuquan9094]

Very good explanation and demonstration

[@jeffostroff]

Glad it was helpful!

[@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761]

Great explanation and good job helping people through this popular job

[@jeffostroff]

Thank you!

[@djsugab1]

I have this same one and this video was SO helpful! What cartridge model # would you need for a replacement on this?

[@ajscott1293]

Is there no need for caulking behind that plate I'm just looking at those grooves in the tile and I can definitely see that water would run right behind that place through those grooves? I'm going to watch the video again. Looks easy looks fun! I got a project the same thing I'm going to do in my master bath.

[@jeffostroff]

I usually call around the plate with clear silicone but I leave the very bottom open in case water is inside and has a path to escape

[@christinacruz9535]

Hello there, if I'm using the same brand (delta) to update my shower fixtures. Do I need to replace the valve?

[@jeffostroff]

Replacing the valve is optional but I like to replace it when I have the wall open. You can just replace the cartridge which is what I do. I only replace the valve if I'm buying all new shower kits that come with a new valve and cartridge, so it has to be soldered into the 4 pipes.

[@edwardgyu7990]

Hi, Jeff, I noticed you didn't use the foam that has a bit of double side tape, is that unnecessary for the seal? I think that piece of ring foam is for the the seal between the inner circle of the plate and the sleeve. Thank you so much

[@AlyakiMBLAHH]

Thank you your video was very informative

[@jeffostroff]

You are so welcome and thank you for watching

[@chefvr6]

You got that right. People don't think when they do any work

[@jeffostroff]

Most contractors have people that just don't know how to do it

[@chefvr6]

@@jeffostroff And yet, I still scratched my head how these contractors stay in business

[@yubemful]

Very informative video but I never knew or heard about not caulking the bottom portion of the plate or spout.

[@jeffostroff]

Yup, just leave a little bit of it uncaulked, just enough to allow for any water that might end up behind the plate to drain out.

[@hickorytaylor]

Very well done, just wished I'd of seen you caulk around the part. I just came home from a business trip to find a wet spot on the ceiling right below the location of the shower. Can't for the life of me see where the water is coming from. Took off the handle and looked behind and see no wet, still all dusty. So now I'm going to reinstall the prior shower handle, but it wasn't put up with a gasket, just wonder if the water could be coming in thru the area without a gasket?

[@Trollrogue]

I did this exact trim kit and all went well until the very end…my handle is very wobbly!! I re did it 5 times thinking maybe the T screw didn’t line up but it screwed in really far so I think it’s good. Yes, I used the right adapter!! Why is the handle so wobbly?? It still works but is so cheap

[@jeffostroff]

IT might be it did not slid all the way onto the adapter, or the set screw did not go all the way in

[@ryanwagner2716]

Hi Jeff - 2/2 now on your videos now while working on my DIY bathroom remodel. Thank you for the helpful info!

[@jeffostroff]

Awesome Ryan keep it going!

[@shelleyhahn1378]

Thank you! We are wanting to change out trim that is almost exactly like this. Very helpful!!

[@jeffostroff]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching Shelley

[@jacekaopua6859]

🤙🏽

[@jeffostroff]

@@jacekaopua6859 Thanks for watching Jace!

[@jmc2255]

Thank you for including so many important details 👍

[@jeffostroff]

My pleasure!

[@toddpoolman8051]

Hardware/big box stores carry Moen trim kits/plates that are plastic. Actual plumbing stores have metal ones. All the big brand name faucet companies ( ex. Moen, Delta, American Standard ) make different lines for the hardware/big box stores compared to the "plumbing" shops. That's why they may be cheaper....but you do get what you pay for. Oh....and Moen offers an adapter ring to switch from "old style" ( non-pressure balanced/ parallel horizontal plate screws ) to new style -1&7 ( appx ) screw plate styles!

[@jeffostroff]

Thanks Todd, good info to know

[@dgreen659]

What's the average cost to have a plumber replace the faucet.

[@RussC123]

Very good video! I was in the process of switching out my hardware as well and turns out the screw holding the the shower knob on was completely stripped out. Also seems as if the threads are stuck/corroded. I’ve tried EVERYTHING to get that old screw out of the brass stem and it’s not budging. Is my best bet to buy a new replacement cartridge? My handle style is the single ball-shaped knob that levers up/down to turn water on/off and twists left/right for hot/cold.

[@jeffostroff]

Ross go to home depot and look for the Speed Out Screw extractor kit that has worked for me a number of times. If you still can't get the screw out you may have to change out the cartridge and I would make sure that you have the water shut off 1st Otherwise the water will come gushing out at you when you pull out the cartridge.

[@RussC123]

jeffostroff thanks for tip!

[@toddpoolman8051]

Cut/break the handle off.....should get access to screw head....use pliers to unscrew

[@PeterTirrell]

Thanks - this was exactly what I was looking for! I have what looks like a loose shower faucet knob and I think this will help me fix it. One question - if I'm only interested in replacing the knob handle is turning off the house water still necessary? Or, if I have things open should I be replacing the shower cartridge as well, in which case I *would* need the water off anyway? Thanks for the great video!

[@jeffostroff]

Peter yes if you are just changing the knob you can get away with out having to turn off the water but be very careful. Make sure you understand the mechanism of what would make the cartridge come flying out at full pressure. For example on the Moens it's that little vertical horseshoe shaped clip that you would have to pull straight up out of the top to remove the cartridge so just understand so that it doesn't happen to you. I don't know the condition of your escutcheon plate but I often like to replace both the knob and the plate because it looks out of place when you put a brand new nah but you still have an old rusty corroded soap scum filled plate. Depending on how old your previous shower cartridge is it's always a good idea to just put a new one and they're really only about $10 or so. If you do decide to replace the cartridge I would recommend getting some plumber silicone grease and just put a dab of it rub it around the black O rings that are on the outside of the cartridge usually 2 or 3 of them.

[@PeterTirrell]

@@jeffostroff Thanks! I think I'll probably go the safe route and cut it off anyway. My current knob looks pretty much exactly like the one in your video, mines a moen, too. If I wanted to replace the cartridge while I was at it is there a way to tell what to replace it with? Do I just look up 'moen shower cartridge' and any will work? Is there a specific model number or something? Thanks for your help!

[@thomaswilke6312]

Extremely informative. Thank you for posting

[@jeffostroff]

You bet Thomas glad to help out

[@ericc5870]

The push pull still works with that handle? Or you turn clock wise and counter to turn water on?

[@jeffostroff]

The posh Pole still works remember all we did was change the style of the handle that still screws on to the stem of the shower cartridge. So to change the functionality to the functionality you would have to change the shower cartridge

[@ymgkz]

Do you have to change out the whole 4 way mixing valve everytime you change to a different water handle? Mine is new but I'm putting on a different brand. Would just changing the cartridge be ok

[@JiffyAnastasio]

If im just replacing the trim kit and NOT the cartridge, do i need to cut the water off?

[@jeffostroff]

No, as long as you don't attempt to pull out the shower cartridge you are fine. If your cartridge has a small metal clip that slides down and hold sit all into place, do not remove that clip or water will shoot everywhere.

[@yvekennedy]

Omg...so informative! Thank you, thank you. I wish you could show me how to remove a mister plate

[@jeffostroff]

Thanks Yvette, glad you liked it

[@unavidaextra-ordinaria1890]

Good morning!!!!! The old kit with the plastic one had to pull out first and then left or right.. how that works in the new metalic one in the same way? Pull out first and then left or right? Thanks!!

[@jeffostroff]

Yes even though I converted to the handle, the stem of the shower cartridge still works the same way, you pull it out to turn on water, then rotate the handle to the desired temperature.

[@badassuchiha4875]

What if I just wanna Replace the the Valve & Plate alone should I still take off my Water Also when replacing my Faucet the Diverter or Shower Mechanism is at the back do I need another Water Spout/Faucet with that or it doesn't have to be the same

[@jeffostroff]

If you only replace the knob and the plate no need to shut off water. But I like t replace the valve with the stem, that requires shutting off water. I replace the valve with the same one I took out, those are required to work with your existing diverter inside the wall soldered to the pipes. When we do a full wall gut, we solder a brand new diverter on usually the Delta MultiChoice Universal Valve, and try to buy it as a kit with the new valve and everything.

[@Puli1974]

This was so helpful, thank you!!!!!!

[@jeffostroff]

Glad to help Lisa and thank you for watching

[@ericwalstrand3512]

I understand if you need to remove the retainer clip the water must be turned off. But, is it required when doing this the retainer clip be removed? What would be the reason for removing it?

[@jeffostroff]

You MUST turn off water if you intend to pull that retaining clip. If you fail to shut down water and pull the clip, that is what is holding Shower cartridge inside the wall. In this 60 PS I of high pressure water behind it will shoot it right out of there and it will land against the back of your shower and then you'll have water gushing out that you will have no way to turn it off until you go in shut it off at the main water shut off.

[@ericwalstrand3512]

@@jeffostroff I understand that. But, was it necessary to remove for what you were doing in this video, and why would you need to remove it?

[@cdelo6]

You make a point to talk about sealing off the escutcheon plate so water doesn't get in behind, and then you fail to install the sleeve gasket, leaving plenty of room for water to get in...sleeve goes on first, sleeve gasket attaches to back of plate, then plate goes on with the gasket sealing off the sleeve.

[@bobatl4990]

Doesn’t the gasket prevent water from getting out just like the silicone caulking going all the way around would do?

[@jeffostroff]

I never trust just the gasket, or the person who installed the gasket, or maybe forgot to install the gasket. So I take no chances and I always silicone just to make sure. of course in this case I am installing the gaskets I know it's me but I still don't trust them by themselves

[@mariacaudillo9733]

Lol.. I laugh because thankfully my husband was home. I didn’t cut off the water and water gushed straight to my face and chest. My husband laughs every time he thinks about it. Lesson learned

[@michaellachapelle7425]

This is a great video! Just to clarify as I am about to use this same kit with an old Moen (Pull-on) set up, even with the metal handle it is still a Pull-on setup as you did not change the valve correct?

[@jeffostroff]

That is correct, they supply an adapter that screws onto the stem, then the handle attaches to the adapter . You still pull the metal handle to turn on water, and turn left or right for hot and cold water.

[@jruan8]

Solid video all around. Much appreciate the details and recommendations/advice!

[@jeffostroff]

Glad to help Jorge, thanks for watching

[@jmcraighead2945]

Thanks for the helpful detailed video. You mention that there are two adapters - how will I know it it's the correct range of motion for the handle? Or is it obvious?

[@jeffostroff]

sometimes it will be obvious, or you just try installing one first and if does not fit right, then try the other.

[@RJ-sr5dv]

Jeff,... Excellent Thank you..

[@jeffostroff]

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

[@Huh8778]

Good explanation thanks

[@jeffostroff]

You are welcome

[@silvioortega9741]

I like to do stuff around my house and I'm in the south Florida area. Do you happen to know of tech schools where I can learn more. I want to learn more for my own knowledge

[@kathrynmorey6632]

Thank you after watching this video I know I can change my tub and shower trim your amazing ☺️!!

[@jeffostroff]

Glad I could help!

[@HAWAIISURF808]

Have any idea what to do if you can't find a trim kit with matching screw holes

[@DillyDogSays]

I swapped my shower handle out but the handle does not have a stop point. I will go 360 degrees and never stop. The shower works but just does not have a stop point. Did I miss a piece that allows the handle to have a stop point to where you cannot turn anymore?

[@jeffostroff]

There is usually some sleeve piece that comes in the package that acts as your stop. Check to see if you have any left over parts from the package and check the instructions again

[@jobekirkuk]

If the shower dripping slowly, should I change the whole thing?

[@kunlunlu7672]

Thanks for your sharing. Very useful.

[@jeffostroff]

Glad it was helpful!

[@davidmavis880]

Great video. Toward the end you say you replaced an "old pull knob". I'm not very experienced, but I thought you couldn't replace a "pull to activate" mechanism (which is what I have) with a "turn to activate" mechanism (at least not easily). But is that what you did? If so, I'll give it a try!

[@jeffostroff]

You pull and turn, just like with the pull and turn knob that it replaced

[@mariannewilliams-bottle5184]

There was a solid white plastic piece..what is that used for?

[@kcalderon03]

Do you suggest silicone or caulking to glue the plate to the wall?

[@jeffostroff]

Whenever you're in a wet area I always use silicone never use latex caulk it will dry and crack overtime and cause leaks. clear silicone works best around fixtures

[@tonyt-bone8180]

What if that center shaft that the handle attaches to just spins and doesn’t shut the water off? Do they make replacement guts or do you have to remove the whole 4 way out of the wall ?

[@8728382]

Great breakdown, thank you!

[@Rusty1418]

Great video! I've done this replacement but using either the handle or the plastic knob I cannot get it to where the water will shut off when I push it closed. I've tried shorter screws, does not seem to matter. Have you any ideas for me? Thanks in advance.

[@jeffostroff]

I wonder if this depends on what you're using, the plastic knob or the handle. I prefer the rotating handle, but either way, your metal sleeve might not be in all the way, try that. The knob is hitting something which is stopping it from going all the way in. Either that, or something wrong with the cartridge. I assume you can push the cartridge stem all the way in without the knob on and it will turn off?

[@Rusty1418]

@@jeffostroff Yes, I can turn the water off by pushing on the middle of the knob. I want to put the handle on but for now I've got the plastic knob on. I cannot turn the water off with the handle without removing it. I do not believe there is anything wrong with the cartridge. I can start and stop the water, its just a pain in the butt right now. I'll double check the metal sleeve.

[@joehoffrage]

Do you caulk around the back plate or plumbers putty underneath it?

[@jeffostroff]

I use silicone usually clear, and apply a bead all the way around the plate, but leave it open from the 5 o'clock position to the 7 o'clock position to give any water that might ever find it's way behind the escutcheon plate somewhere way to escape.

[@joehoffrage]

@@jeffostroff cool beans! Thanks for reply, gonna try and remove cartridge in morning and just sprayed the Devil out of it with vinegar and water to maybe help loosen it up.....the estacheon plate has some foam around it and not sure if that will prevent water in there, so may still caulk around?

[@marcussheppard1668]

I have the exact same setup and kit. When i have the new handle on with the set screw all the way tightened the handle still feels wobbly and loose. Any tips ? The kit came with twonwhite plastic collars. Did you use them at all?

[@jeffostroff]

Yes you can experiment with which collar fits the best, and also make sure the screw is tightened all the way. Sometimes we think it is tight when it just hit a rough spot on the threads.

[@googleyeyes8938]

Can you make a push/pull into a handle kind? Do I need to buy special hardware to make that? Or it’s not possible? Thanks

[@jeffostroff]

Keep in mind the kid comes with both the handle or the clear plastic ball but it still operates the same way it still pulls out to turn on and it still rotates to adjust the temperature of the water. If you want to change the whole operation of the fossor you would have to have a plumber come in dig a hole in tile and they will have to solder in a brand new mixing valve.

[@sovathanaheng6673]

@@jeffostroff wish you mentioned that it would still operate as push/pull in your video.

[@lalolalo1233]

Great instructunal vid! Have a question tho, mine is the exact configuration, the old pull out system. With the more modern single handle would I need to pull out to release the water or what's the mechanism, tilt, pull out, etc.? you appear to just swing it left to right, but I assume that's after the water flows to adjust the temp correct?

[@jeffostroff]

IT depends on the shower valve that is soldered into your wall with the cartridge. Many modern day cartridges just turn on counter clockwise and get warmer

[@lalolalo1233]

Question, the one you replaced with the handle pulls out as well?

[@jeffostroff]

yes it does

[@anjoovohra9243]

Jeff I have Moen one handle shower faucet posi temp my sprout is leaking water even when the valve is shut off. I changed the cartridge 1222 hoping the sprout will stop leaking water but it did not stop leaking. What next I can do please advise. Thanks Also I tried to replace the sprout but could not unthread the sprout even used pipe wrench.

[@jeffostroff]

There is usually a setscrew underneath on the bottom side of the spout right up where it meets against the wall sometimes you will see an access hole leading up to wear this set screw is. It often requires an Allen wrench to undo the set screw. Then you should be able to just unscrew the set screw and pull the faucet right off of the wall. It is probably that tub spout that just needs replacing we see this all of the time.

[@JuanGomez-gb6ce]

Do you need to shut off the water to replace the trim kit? I am not going to replace any valves or stems just the trim and knob. Thank you in advance.

[@jeffostroff]

No Juan you only need to shut off the water if you pull pull the shower cartridge out, or in some cases of shower cartridge, if you pull out the retaining clip holding the shower cartridge in place.

[@thizz406ness]

Man you are so prefect I wish I could learn half of the stuff you know and do everything as good as you. Get over yourself man we were trying to learn to upgrade the value and trim not hear you judge people for smoking cigarettes and judging people's work

[@jeffostroff]

You try working on that when you remove the plate on the wall and get blasted in the face with smoke. IT was brutal. IF you had to suffer from someone else's poor workmanship, you would not be so diplomatic

[@thizz406ness]

@@jeffostroff I've done plenty of remodels but you ever think it is an occupation that can't afford to hire someone. But all im saying is I watched the video to learn what the title says not how you would do the bathroom. Some people don't have the luxury of doing things how ever they want they do what they can with what they got. Maybe you should quit trying to do things and just do them cause hard to learn from someone that is complaining about something instead of just doing what they have to to make it right

[@charlieparker5678]

Jeff, I got a leak in my cold water faucet in my shower, and I'd like to unscrew the faucet handle to take a look at the valve seat. Is it possible for me to do that without shutting off the water main? (I live in an apartment.)

[@jeffostroff]

You should be able to remove the shower handle and the plate without any problem. Most valves are held together by either a large round screw on ring on the front of the valve that holds the shower cartridge in place, or in the case of Moen in this video, that clip that slides down on the top of the valve holds the cartridge back in place.

[@masoncourson8743]

Can you show that it actually turns the water on? I did all the same things on a moen chateau valve. It spins smooth but does not turn the water on

[@bluestripetiger]

Is it possible to change the shower valve itself for a newer one or a different one? My house came with a shower handle that moves up or down and doesn't have cold/hot markings on it. I simply hate it. I cant begin to tell you how many times i've calculated wrong and gotten a blast of cold water to begin my bath. The shower handle obviously has to go, but i suspect the handle moves up and down rather than left/right because the shower valve itself only moves that way.

[@jeffostroff]

Usually the brass valve housings that the shower valve cartridges slide into are made for that cartridge only, and cannot be changed, unless you buy a shower kit today and re-solder in a new valve. Sometimes people have to cut open the drywall on the other side of the shower to do this, as the hole in the tiles is not big enough sometimes. Another consideration is determine what cartridge you have in there, example Moen 1200 series, and find out if you can pull the cartridge and replace it with a new Moen cartridge that has a different improved mechanism like what you are looking for, and see if it's compatible.

[@alezthermasnaky]

You’re the best!

[@jeffostroff]

Thank you so much for your kind words!