SUJU Siwon Apologizes to CHINA / Park Kyung Sajaegi War / SuperM Changes History?! [DK NEWS]

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[@daisywinn3906]

Super M? Never heard of them! How much you get paid for promoting super m?

[@DKDKTV]

SM if you see this please contact us. We want promotion fees.

[@yuriempress938]

DKDKTV ahahahaha I love u guys so much...SAVAGE!!!

[@mayr9215]

Yeah they made history as bundle kings 😂😂

[@6idle4ever49]

@@little.tricks r/whoosh

[@sana3843]

I didn’t like the debut of Super M, but I don’t get all the hate. People have been attacking them and saying some ugly things for no reason. “They do bundles” a lot of artists do that; “company just wants to make money”, name one company that doesn’t want to make money; “their song is bad”, every group has bad songs sometimes... everything is a problem: name of the song, the marketing strategy... people, chill! Look at what has happened this year. Words matter. Don’t hate on anyone and your own life will be better for it.

[@mariagalindez1224]

What is this plot twist were Danny is the one trying to stop David from stating controversial things lmao

[@Sumehvu]

I know lol 😂

[@rigzinangmo5884]

Lmao

[@gloelisi8100]

His call back to the army changed him....*sobbing*

[@monstewr1]

Glo Elisi i don’t understand this! Wasn’t he supposed to be on service? Why do we keep seeing him fhhfgj

[@gloelisi8100]

@@monstewr1 I don't remember seeing an update explaining why he is home. I am thinking he was called back for a special appointment. Sometimes it happens.

[@noramintie]

The fact so many people are fired up about Siwon liking a tweet, while TRCNG has a child abuse case going on, which is a lot more fucked up than most that I’ve seen in kpop so far, and no one is talking about it is mind boggling to me

[@ThelouwseFD]

@No Name so true !!!SuJu always gets hated on for absolutely no fucking reason and then you have actual criminals and no one gives a shit

[@ann-fu6lp]

Noramintie it’s never about actual news it’s only about things to make favorite idols more interesting sigh

[@kimberly3076]

It’s all about what name will bring more attention; it’s unfortunate and sad. It’s not about who did what, who’s right or wrong, guilty or innocent. But who’s name is bigger, and will sell more. However that’s just my opinion though.

[@quinn3110]

TS Entertainment needs to either stop existing or change their whole policy and their treatment of their artists. After the shit that happened with B. A. P people should have continued to keep their eyes on TS, since the amount of abuse they met should never be brushed under the carpet. And now they are doing this to kids... Kids. I'm honestly disgusted by TS and that the case ain't getting more attention.

[@kimimiralte3787]

i just wish TS ent would shut down!

[@quinn3110]

Park Kyung is spitting facts. And unlike so many artists out there, he is standing with his opinion. Also, kudos to his entertainment that is also standing by his side. I am ready for him to spill the tea and unleash a chain reaction inside the Korean music industry.

[@AF-ft6nh]

There was already a HUGE discussion about bundling bc American artists were taking it too far, I remember reading about bb planning on changing the rules next year way before SuperM got #1

[@teamazay8198]

Nah it was recently

[@Mitchis_Euphoria]

Team AzaY actually Ariana and Taylor Swift use bundles and there was talk about changing it bc of it before superm

[@christabuki5459]

Team AzaY A lot of artists were speaking against bundles, especially because DJ Khaled took advantage of it and used soda as “merch”. This was an issue before SuperM even used it.

[@teamazay8198]

@@christabuki5459 but now they took action after The Avengers of K-pop's No1

[@bighitmoarmy3676]

All I know is that, real artist that deserves #1 don’t have to use any dirty tactics. Only talent, and passion.

[@niki7961]

If the companies don't see the current events as a red flag and don't focus on the mental health of their artists then I think they are simply blind. We cannot afford any more loss. This is a wake up call for both the companies and the fans, we should support these artists when they are going through hard times. Instead of asking them when is the new comeback let's tell them to rest well and take care of their health, instead of forcing them to smile 24/7 let's tell them that they can open up with us, they can cry with us, that they are doing great and we are here to support them at every step. They are loved and they matter.

[@ajio1057]

Many Aroha are sad that Moon Bin is too sick to join Astro's promotions this comeback but all would prefer him to get well rather than drag himself on stage, It's simple respect and love which is, after all, what aroha means in Maori. Came to Kpop in 2016 and was shocked by what happened to Sungmin (I was considering SuJu as a second group) and a whole lot of others.

[@niki7961]

@@ajio1057 oh I didn't know I hope he gets well soon. Us carats are also worried about Seventeen's health, esp Coups he recently went on hiatus because of his anxiety. And just a few days before that him and Jeonghan had to sit out during one of their concerts. It's painful to see them dragging themselves for us the only thing that matters to us is their health and nothing else. I personally would like if he takes a break from everything for at least 2-3 months, no social media or fancafe, just focus completely on himself away from all. I too have anxiety and I had to take a break from uni but even though I was on break I was using my phone all the time, which didn't help me at all. That's why, I hope he spends this time with his family relaxing and doing other things he likes, I would rather have other members update us about his health than him, coz if he opens fancafe, fans will bombard him with comments and although all of those comments are encouraging it sort of puts a pressure on our mind to do better for the ppl who are waiting for him and that's exactly what he doesn't need right now. Let's just hope all the people who are on a hiatus and are injured get better soon. We'll patiently wait for their return.

[@ajio1057]

@@niki7961 Just watched DKTV and they were talking about Jungkook's rumour with his tatooist. Not a fan but it's RUDE that someone has uploaded a photo while BTS were on hiatus. They should come to New Zealand. We leave celebrities to themselves but tbh can't guarantee the teens reaction.

[@izzywoods794]

JYPE seems to be doing a pretty good job so far. Not that everything is reported on so ya never know

[@Kez_h]

Izzy Woods yeah Jimin left jype but has a KZbin show where she went back and even the co host was basically like isn't it weird? But she said no and that jyp is super nice. She was giving a tour around the building and sang in a practice room lol some streamer who used to be a trainee there before beduting in another company and was talking up jype. And also they have 2 on staff therapist as well as I think they were the first company to but back work hrs so people didn't over work on the office areas.

[@misssunshine4317]

I love Park Kyung for speaking up about this & it’s such a refreshing change for the company to back him up. I hope he has enough proof I’m sure he does he is smart very smart I trust him

[@sweet7655]

Love Block B Its seven seasons (basically Block B's original label and Kyung himself) who hired the lawyer. KQ never cares about Block B anymore

[@abdulrachmanabra6781]

He's a mensa member after all, sure he has a back up evidence before he post that statement

[@misssunshine4317]

Abdul Rachman abra exactly! I’ve seen so many people doubting him online though I don’t think most people realise that he’s a genius

[@abdulrachmanabra6781]

@@misssunshine4317 i like his performance in problematic men, if he state that then that's the fact (imo)

[@bowlinbowlinbowlin]

Yeah, we all know Kyung is FAR from dumb, I'm sure he has something.

[@l.c.6282]

Entertainment companies will do anything not to offend China, it’s such a big market after all, even Hong Kong artist (Jackson, Lucas) came out with statements in support of China; somehow I think they were forced to. How can anyone who lives in democratic free countries not support the Hong Kong protest.? But money talks, so people will come out in support of China.

[@fostane]

And they'll probably use the escalation to violence as an excuse too, now more than ever.

[@Kez_h]

I bet they were too since K-pop idols typically stay out of politics but I think China made them and not their agencies directly

[@dreamingintomorrow]

@@Kez_h Jackson actually posted more than the standard post that every celebrity posted

[@Kez_h]

dreamingintomorrow there isn't a standard script though lol Jackson also does most of his Chinese activities on mainland China as well. I think all the Chinese idols who posted stuff were pressure by China to do so in some way.

[@dreamingintomorrow]

@@Kez_h of course there is lol that's why every Chinese celebrity posted basically the same thing. Just some celebrities (e.g. Jackson) decided to add another second post to show their loyalty

[@FatMaMohvids]

STAN PARK KYUNG AND BLOCK B FOR FAIR CHARTS AND QUALITY MUSIC

[@s.coupsdetat2165]

PREACH

[@ellie6436]

Actually the billboard rule change has been already planned for awhile, I don’t think it has anything to do with Super M.

[@Soho389]

ellie Yes, it does have something to do with Super M. BUT It’s not fair to say the issue started with Super M because it didn’t. Bundling has been an ongoing problem for a while. Actually, I feel like Super M just happened to bundle the way they did at the wrong time when there was already a microscope in bundling and they just really stood out. As soon as the bundling news came out about Super M, I knew they were going to take heat for it. In my opinion, the worst bundling I had ever heard of was Taylor Swift and she’s been doing it for years, but most media is not going to explicitly call her out like they will Super M.

[@DKDKTV]

'TRIGGER' not 'GUNPOWDER'

[@saraha8234]

ellie yeah I feel like it had more to do with the whole Travis Scott and Niki Minaj thing

[@Soho389]

Sarah A Actually, DJ Khalid was suing Billboard for bundling issues. The issue here is that it is not just one instance or one artist who initiated this change so it would be disingenuous to say the Super M situation didn’t play a role to some extent in the changes. But they didn’t cause the changes or force BB to gather around and create new rules, nahh that’s not the case. For everyone’s sake, I wish they weren’t linked to it at all but they are and it was really just bad timing on their part. They didn’t really do anything more than anyone else who excessively bundles did.

[@saraha8234]

Aprill Smith oh wow I didn’t even know!

[@滝野智-y7n]

Guys K-POP didn’t start the bundling being a problem thing there was a controversy over this with Nicki Minaj and Travis Scott albums you should look into it.

[@viviandutra3]

they didn't started but they were the cherry on top, the last trigger

[@charlieackles8254]

Yeah but superm made the problem clearer. At least nicki and travis have other numbers backing them up, they’re big on streaming platforms and in general as well. But superm didnt have anything that warranted them to have a #1 album in the us. Image, an artist with no relevance and no numbers getting #1 means that bundling just does tooo much

[@滝野智-y7n]

Charlie Ackles but the problem with Travis Scott was the fact that we was having Kylie Jenner at his shows looping in all her fans too so they will buy the bundles it was defiantly not fair. yeah I agree it doesn’t really make any sense for superm to have that kind of success especially over more well known K-POP groups like BTS or Blackpink I just genuinely don’t believe they have more fans than BTS for example.

[@apocketfullofsunshine8693]

滝野智 滝野智 滝野智 滝野智 Yes, there has been a lot of controversies/backlash with SuperM but saying they are not as well as known as Blackpink and Bts and they don’t have as many fans....... hmm, idk about that. I mean, SuperM is a new group but the members are from Exo, Shinee and NCT.

[@apocketfullofsunshine8693]

Charlie Ackles Charlie Ackles the fan base from each of the members original groups are HUGE, especially Exo, their fans are everywhere. Although there must be a division between who will supports/ not support SuperM within the fandoms of the original groups, a large number of the fans will still have support them and in the music industry, having a large fan base kinda does make you “relevant”.

[@krach2996]

Siwon obviously wanted to help Hong Kong’s situation but the backfire was too hard. He should have stayed by his first action but I guess he felt too much pressure

[@izzybelle8317]

I understand how you feel but what is going on Hong Kong is just messed up unless you live in Hong Kong than you really don’t know how scary it is

[@whatreallymatters571]

He had to respond and he actually didn't apologize for supporting HK he apologised to people who may have been offended by his actions. The company forced him too he has SuJU to think about not just himself.

[@ThelouwseFD]

Siwon is human, getting tons and tons of hate is hard on every person.. he tried at least.. Siwon is honestly such an amazing person, he deserves all the love in the world

[@maymayplump3326]

I agree with Danny on the possible back story of siwon's incident. He might just be careless but didn't seem like he's gonna be that dumb to deliberately trying to be woke lol. And why is it so unbelievable that celebrities have private accounts?😂 David you're so kind lol I laughed hard when u immediately cared about the sajaegi artist's paying. Also I really wish park kyong to win it's gonna be very satisfying~ and gd job for the death note reference I died at that part.

[@enimisay3147]

*Things need to change in kpop. These artists are being overwhelmed. I know it not always the fans fault cause the artists have their own private life behind the scene but their needs to be a change we can't continue like this. Knetizens play a big role in these issue believe it or not. the have these call beauty standard and don't give their idol their space they can't even date. yeah the company are they on making they rules but the company are making those rules because of these k-netizens . look at pop they date say their mind and are still successful * IT TIME TO WAKE UP*

[@Insideranon]

The issues got worse after going world wide, stop putting all the blame on k nets. Its people trying to push taking rules down like trying to make dating normalized that have kept them healthy and safe. No dating isn't healthy for people in that sort of hectic lifestyle. This applies to idols, celebs, career oriented businessmen, etc. Its simply not healthy for people in that lifestyle especially since the entire relationship is based on red flags. I'm not gonna get into every reason because the list is quite big. YOU live a a regular life in comparison so YOU cando whatever you want essentially. Its so rare that relationships last at all within entertainment. Which makes it that much harders. "Look at pop they date and their still successful" Yeah, Successful doesn't mean healthy, most of those relationships aren't even real, whether its for attention or to use the person. Koreas system and industry is FAR busier than the wests. They say it A LOT they barely have time to practice after debut. But here comes international fans "let them do whatever they want, they should be allowed to do this and that and blah blah blah". That's part of the problem. In fact that majority of the problem. You idolize. Western society also lives on controversy. KOREA DOES NOT. Korea is not your culture its time for you to WAKE UP and take a seat.The bigger issues with mental health started happening AFTER it went worldwide. But hey, you just want to be a masiah and make everything like your romance movie, huh? Should we let idols run around and be unbearable garbage cans like arrianna and all these other tradh personalities? Imean people are putting kang daniel up on a pedestal after he's basically been proven to be just climbing a social ladder and using people. You wanna continue to take rules away that helps keep the idols healthy and lets the companies force more fake shit on them like fake relationships that happen more than not, then keep going. But I think you neet to wake up and stop using your feefees to govern facts.

[@Insideranon]

@Black To Grace If you walk in a forest you'll see a deer or two, you come across a watering whole you see a lot of deer. You want to find hate comments so you see them more than positive ones. You literally follow a site that shows them. You also can't prove at all that they're all k nets. 나는 한국인이 아니며 한글을 쓸 수 있습니다. You just don't wanna point the finger at the 2 issues. International fans trying to force THEIR culture onto korea's industry, and the companies. International fans have this subliminal garbage thinking that kpop should cater to them. No, sit down, shut up and let Korea handle their industry, There's shit going on in your countries industry too that needs dealt with. there's a lot of shitty people in America's that's for damn sure. But naw, why get the trash people out when we can just westernize koreas industry so it's celebs are just as problematic and full of depression and suicidal thoughts because WE want them to do what we like and give us controversy and sweet sweet gossip.

[@enimisay3147]

black to grace yeah that is what i was saying *"Knetizens play a big role in these issue"* it not the companies fault they companies are just making rules to not offend knetizens.

[@Koharuie]

@@Insideranon obviously the way Korea handle their industry isn't working since there's already been at least 3 suicides but I guess people like you don't really care

[@thewildflower3444]

i literally clapped for park kyung's agency..... others must take notes of how artists are treated

[@FatMaMohvids]

they're one of the worst agencys when it comes to artist treatment, this whole supporting #Kyung with a lawyer isn't them, its Kyung himself (thus the statement was from 7s not kq). The only thing they did was releasing a statement claiming he’s spreading rumors and apologized for him and made him delete the tweet.

[@thewildflower3444]

@@FatMaMohvids thanks for the information. I guess I misunderstood since in the video they said "his agency is getting lawyers"

[@liriettrod3282]

Lmao Girl Seven Seasons is so Bullshit that Zico prefers to create his own agency and many people who work there Leaves 7S to go with him, all this thing is Park Kyung by himself the man Is Brave AF I Stan...

[@kesliebido9834]

*All I know is that,* I love how many others have been speaking up about chart manipulation. Korean celebs seldom defend themselves or speak up. I feel like it's even more prudent that they're encouraged to speak up against what is wrong with the industry. Netizens don't always make it easy either so they too have to be more embracing. But it looks like he has actual support from both peers and the online community. I hope this continues. And for more than just charts. They have voices, and being scared to use them is how we got to 2019 in the first place. I hope this kind of encouragement to stand up for themselves continues. *And also, I hope Hara's family is doing ok. Especially her brother. I want to wish they make it through this hard time without falling apart. Wishing them well...*

[@taiyonatiare7918]

well some wont speak up about it because theyre probably guilty themselves.

[@kesliebido9834]

@@taiyonatiare7918 I meant in general. Speak up period. Idols get constantly harassed and disrespected but they can never defend themselves. It's always "we'll sue malicious commenters" from the company but rarely goes anywhere. Every life reserves the right to stand up for themselves. And in Korea they ver rarely do

[@s.amm.y]

they don't speak up because everyone ill call them salty and jealous.

[@sapiensno8billion]

It is alarming that so many people feel the need to cancel a celebrity for liking a post on twitter that is actually a quote from "V for Vendetta". Is the celebrity toxic, or the unarmed 21 year old who got shot by the police, or someone else? It is a problem that people with huge followings on social media platforms are silenced by the idea that sales trumps everything.

[@btsandnormaniisthatbitchst133]

*THESE KPOP IDOLS ARE HUMANS TOO THE FEEL SAD HAPPY DEPRESS JUST LIKE US BUT THEY NEED THEIR SPACE JUST LIKE US I KNOW THEY DECIDED TO CHOOSE THIS PATH BUT STILL THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PARTNER TO SHARE THEIR BURDENS AND NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK THEIR MIND JUST LIKE US*

[@Insideranon]

Nah, they shouldn't be dating, friends sure, but not dating. Ya'll need to realise they can't do things "JUST LIKE US". as someone who lived in that sort of hectic lifestyle, I can tell you dating, narcotics of any kind, going out to where the public can see you and doing things like partying, is unhealthy. You need to understand that being human means that we have limitations. Your lifestyle allows for the extra stress of dating, partying, whatever. That's why we make sacrifices for things. They know what they're doing and getting into, they know they have to make sacrifices FOR THEIR HEALTH. This isn'ta romance or disney movie. true love doesn't save anyone. They have the friends around them in their members they trained with, their families, and the staff. YOU are the ones treating them like robots. Do you not realise they barely have time to practice? That's how stressful it is. I think you need to figure oit out fast, because overloading someone who's already that stressed is a good way to get someone to kill themselves. Dating doesn't solve problems, as a matter of fact theres a lot of cases where people are recommended to not date. Guess what... Hectic, stressful, and busy lifestyles is one of those. This includes, but is not limited too, College students around finals or big exams, career oriented businessmen, busy celebs, People frequently in the public eye, people with a busy/hectic/stressful lifestyles, etc. Yeah there's more. and idols fall under a few of those. Wanna take a guess at a big reason for suicides and the development of depression? If you guessed stress and popularity, congratulations! There's a lot of things that can be done to help idols, dating and doing whatever they want isn't part of it.

[@jungkookiemochi2281]

An Insider on the Internet Keep in mind, they’re also humans. Yes, this isn’t some romance show or movie but that doesn’t mean they can’t fall in love and date someone. True, they can’t live “just like us” but that doesn’t mean we should take away their right to date. It’s their life, their decisions

[@misspiggie7100]

Note: I am an ELF. Dear David, I really like you, just not this episode. Danny has more common sense. Chinese Netizens (not necessarily C-ELFs) talking about 良心 (conscience) when their own people operate businesses that does chart manipulation - talk about HYPOCRISY ! Siwon’s situation is: It might not help if he apologizes, but it WILL HARM if he doesn’t. Anyone who insist that he stand his ground & not apologize is rather ignorant (sorry for being harsh) - Siwon doesn’t do a lot of variety shows (mostly SJ-related) coz he probably doesn’t need the money. But he can’t be selfish, there is SJ & Label SJ - not every of his teammates are loaded. Hindsight is 20/20, if Siwon knew this resulting muck, of course he wouldn’t want to create it in the first place - he’s neither stupid nor antagonistic ~ just … perhaps temporary insanity during that split second he pressed the damn “Like”. I wonder if those Knetz even know what the HK protest is about before they give their dumb opinions. If I tell them the problem started way back in 1997, these idiot Knetz won’t know what I’m talking about. The one about the muzzle is a CHEAP SHOT at best. It’s not the bite but sepsis which killed the lady & it could have happened during medical treatment. And now Siwon is in a Catch-22 (or maybe Catch-33 w/ CN + HK + KR all targeting him) position & I sympathize very much b’coz I know he is really a kind & humble person. Some will say he brought this upon himself, but that’s just being cruel. Genuine ELFs are the ones hurting & feeling sad for the stress they are experiencing. We are appreciative of the laughter or entertainment they gifted us & wish we could help mitigate it. Many of us are glad the recent AAA gave them a little mood-booster amidst the gloomy situation. Most C-ELFs have cooled down & made their decisions on how to continue their relationship with SJ. It’s really those toxic non-fans that are still stirring the hornet’s nest!

[@whatreallymatters571]

I agree he also actually didn't apologize for supporting HK. He apologized to people who were offended by him supporting HK. Like you said it was a catch 22, 90000 people unfollowed him which I'm sure he doesn't actually care about but seeing as he us still attached to a group he doesn't want to do even more damage. Not to mention SM is the one who forced him to apologize. C-nets are extremely hypocritical and brainwahsed. He is a human rights ambassador and has been for years now is he expected to just ignore this issue and lose his Koran and western fanbase? David was completely wrong on this one

[@EricCpancake]

If he cared that much, he wouldn't have liked in the first place, I mean, besides those Chineses artists, no one was forced to say anything about China. If he is that afraid of offending China and losing money, he should have stayed silent. Now it is just simply a lose-lose situation, people in China dislike him and people outside China also dislike him.

[@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan]

Super Junior has gone through enough controversy and these controversies are pointless guys. Chinese netizens need to chill because of their hypocrisy . Korean and Chinese netizens get on my nerves every time 😒

[@misspiggie7100]

@@EricCpancake I "love" it when people like you use knowledge gained from hindsight to make assumptions about foresight -- in this case about what's in Choi Siwon's mind ~ if he this, therefore he shoulda / woulda / coulda that.... It's all hypothetical on your part -- as if you know better! And what profit? The Chinese market is closed!!

[@EricCpancake]

@@misspiggie7100 Aren't you the one to assume that Siwon wasn't in his mind when he was pressing like in the first place? C'mon everyone knows Chinese will be pissed off if anyone says anything supporting Hong Kong, he puts himself in the catch-22 situation, no one forces him to. I admire him a lot when he is brave enough to voice his support, but he literally kills the heart of Hong Kong fans three times, by canceling the like and apologizing twice. By the way, though the market is closed, China's money is still very strong, they buy hundreds and thousands of their album, put ads on metro station to celebrate their birthday, etc.

[@EM-rm2xh]

Billboard was already planning to change the rules before SuperM debuted. There has been rumblings in the industry for a while--SuperM was just the most egregious artist to take advantage of the system. Also, RIP to everyone if BTS decides to bundle. They did it once for their Citifield concert (concert bundles have to be redeemed and usually only result in a 1/4 increase of the concert venue size; so even without, they still would have gotten their #1). Have to adamantly disagree with David here. Bundling is a form of chart manipulation and cheating. Cheating is wrong, and when you identify something that has gotten out of hand, you SHOULD put rules in place to change the system. This will always be an ongoing process as when new rules/regulations are made, people will try to find a way around those rules. It is an endless cycle with rules having to constantly change based on the times, but to say that bundling is "not wrong because everyone does it" is like saying cheating in class or evading taxes is fine because lots of people do it. If it's wrong, it's wrong.

[@charstar386]

L Lee Seriously. It’s normalizing bad behavior. There are exponentially more school massacres in the US so it must be ok. That’s an extreme example but you see what I’m saying.

[@alperry02]

Agree

[@burningSunset78]

Lol don’t bother, he’s held that opinion since the first time this whole bundles debate came into play. I called him out on it and he served me a long-ass argument about no one caring about chart position anyway, or whatnot lol. Obviously lots of people do care, and what’s wrong is wrong. Basically superM or maybe any big kpop name can do no wrong in his eyes, and he will never plain out said it aloud on this channel. They joked about SM watching this, but they are probably truly scared shitless about saying anything bluntly negative about any of the groups. Danny doesnt give a fuck but David will for sure go with the diplomatic correct opinion lol.

[@AJH89]

It’s true. and I like the *“RIP TO EVERYONE IF BTS DECIDES TO BUNDLE”.* If BTS do bundles, it’s going to be x2 or even more sales, esp with a buy now pay later option Lol it just shows that BTS don’t need bundles to sell their albums, coz according to billboard BTS are one of the RAREST acts to hit no. 1 spot in BB without any bundles. They managed to sell 230k copies when MOTS persona was released, even bigger than those artist who did 60 bundles with a buy now pay later plan. 😌 And the citifield bundle was just an option, and the album was bundled with the tickets was Love yourself ANSWER, which released last year (2018) not the newly released album PERSONA. And citifield happened last October 2019 and was sold out in 120minutes lol and whats more amazing was Wembley stadium was sold out in 90mins, that is 90k seats in 90 freakin minutes! And that is without bundles.. and the rest of their stadium concerts also no bundles😊 and every album released, no bundles. BTS plays it fair and square. 💯 According to chartmasters.org BTS is the most successful kpop act to debut for selling 40.7M copies worldwide since debut. The second is TVXQ which only sold around 12M, but TVXQ is already around 15th yr in the industry while BTS is only on their 7th year this year.

[@kripolik]

Also if I'm not mistaken the bundle for citifield counted for the 2nd week on chart not the 1st when they got #1

[@ievac4539]

I usually listen to yalls videos while doing homework cause it doesn't bother me most of the time, I was just analyzing some poetry and instead of thinking all I could hear was Danny screaming abou tzuyu

[@emmabathandbeyond3845]

“Are army’s forgiving you right now?” *me, a HARD CORE ARMY , thinking bro, I was never mad and needing to forgive you so, yeah I forgive you?* lmfao Love y’all quack quack from NYC 💕💜

[@DKDKTV]

i hope this comment doesnt make it to twitter lol

[@Soho389]

Girl, you’re like me. I’m deep ARMY myself and I didn’t even know it was anything to forgive. I’m still confused. But sometimes, that’s the best way to be.

[@smritisshettigar8730]

What DID HE DO?? I'm confused

[@anisatajy9445]

@@smritisshettigar8730 I'm sure it's something harmless but ARMY overreacted.

[@Umla80]

Same Army here, didnt get mad/ love quack from Malta 💜

[@villainoir]

"He's not dumb" Well, Park Kyung has 156 IQ, so... Btw I'm here after Jin & Heize threw shade at their MAMA speeches! Park Kyung, you're not alone!

[@Ykoz2016]

David, I'm nobody and even I have two separate twitter accounts. One just for fandom things, kpop / youtubers, and one for personal/ work/ politics. They serve very different purposes and never the two shall meet. 😂

[@lissywashere6040]

This aged well

[@Ykoz2016]

lissywashere This is no longer true. 😂 In recent weeks my kpop twitter was definitely used for politics. Also a temporary third twitter account was created to be used for certain kpop related political moves and then promptly deleted. 🤷‍♀️ 2020 changed things a bit.

[@kimnana7272]

Park Kyung is a king

[@kissmeontheribsribs7208]

Twitter is blocked in China. Maybe Siwon was surprised anybody in China even saw his likes.

[@reemcont]

Let all this bad news finish in 2019, hopefully 2020 is all about positive vibes.

[@thewanderer3987]

2020: h0W Y0u liKE tHaT?

[@reemcont]

Anne Maxwell Even worst, future really is unpredictable.

[@thewanderer3987]

@@reemcont Indeed.

[@totoma5131]

Sorry to break it to you but...🥴

[@CARATMom]

Wait. I’ve seen both Taeyung and Monsta X at MSG. Do you mean Super M was the first to perform in the big arena at MSG? Because several kpop acts have performed at MSG. They literally have several theaters.

[@anaporto7390]

MX performed at the MSG theater. SuperM performed at the Arena. A sold out concert. SM Town had a concert at MSG in 2011 and many SM artists performed.

[@hancrew3098]

Personally I love Park Kyung. I’m glad his company is standing by him. Kyung is a really smart guy and he knows exactly what he’s doing

[@sweet7655]

Love Block B Its seven seasons (basically Kyung himself) who hired the lawyer. KQ never cares about Block B anymore

[@FatMaMohvids]

They’re not standing by him, the ruined it for him first when they claimed he was spreading rumors and apologized and forced him to delete the tweet. He hired the lawyer himself and released the statement through 7s (not KQ)

[@75kie]

SuperM sold out Madison Square Garden; on consideration that part of the arena is sectioned off for the actual stage, but nonetheless still sold it out as even stated by MSG themselves. As for the bundling, like you guys have said in your previous video on them- tons of artists have been doing it for decades. It's within the rules and yes has been getting out of hand in recent years but still within the rules nonetheless so this change was gonna happen with or without SuperM as they're not even the ones using them that ridiculously compared to what some others are bundling their albums with. These rules also would not have really affected or taken away from their Billboard achievements if you read it thoroughly. "boosted their sales a lot" ; bundles were only like 2%. Antis and toxic armpits keep assuming bundling = 'low demand with bulk buying by the few' but fans would pay to get everything nonetheless in bulk with or without bundles.

[@DearlyBeloved652]

The fact is bundling happens to increase numbers superficially matter who does it. Many do it, but many others don't because they want to prove their success with no room for questioning. Superm chose to not be one of those people. So people can question their numbers all they want. SM set them up for that

[@75kie]

@@DearlyBeloved652 Respect to artists who don't but no necessary disrespect to those who do. Again, still within the rules and even if it's being edited now that still wouldn't have really affected their achievements. SM and Capitol Records did everything right imo in that case; named them SuperM to outrage people over "SPERM" which boosts publicity, made "Jopping" getting everyone outraged and meme'ing over that too, and now this. Thanks to bundles there's even more buzz about them even if good or bad lmao

[@madeinbusanjkjm]

Danny's face during the Goo Hara news was actually heartbreaking..... The fans already said that things in the kpop industry have to change after Jonghyun died but nothing happened. Young artist keep on suffering from pressure, privacy leaks and untreated mental illnesses.

[@RaihannaJallow]

Oh my God, what a relief...I was so scared when i saw Park Kyung's name,I thought he did an oopsie...I really really really appreciate Park Kyung and his kind nature and I am glad he's brave too.. I pray that Goo Hara rests in peace!!

[@kalanster4]

the bundling controversy started awhile ago. I wouldnt say super m was the trigger either like this whole thing was a long time coming.

[@yoongiswife6173]

At least KQ’s fighting for their artists... I wish all of them would instead of throwing their artists just because of rumors or dumb sht.

[@lasttofirst3335]

yeah i appreciate their move...

[@FatMaMohvids]

they're not... they literally released a statement saying he is just spreading rumors, the lawyer thing is Kyung himself (thus the 2nd statement says (7s) not (kq).. kq are literal useless ungrateful people

[@lasttofirst3335]

@@FatMaMohvids really???? Wow and I thought that finally there is a company that fully supports their artists in controversial circumstances....tsk tsk

[@FatMaMohvids]

last to first yeah, unfortunately KQ is one of the worst companies ever.. like ever. The amount of disrespect they treat block b with is disgusting, even the members themselves are constantly disappointed and they no longer have any expectations from the company. They’re just waiting for the whole military service to end and they’ll leave once and for all together

[@yoongiswife6173]

Fat Ma for once it gave me hope that companies will treat their artists right but from what you said, I feel disappointed. Hopefully someone will treat them better. Thank you for the clarification!

[@whocreatedit3229]

OMG i didn't know that goo hara died. I'm so sad . 2019 sucks . RIP goo hara😔😔🙏

[@JKLA09]

I'm especially i interested with the Park Kyung case. I watched his show Problematic Men and hes goddamn intellectual! I'm anticipating the progress of this case so bad.

[@juliamars6573]

Is this Park Kyung - the same man who was in Problematic Man? Because if it is - the man is basically genius so he knows what he is doing.

[@donnalenton4711]

It will help if your fan’s stop bullying their “idols”.

[@hoodiehoodie5328]

I didn't like the idea of Super M either (even though I love the boys soo much), but like the hate they get is unnecessary. Thank you, danny and david, for at least appreciating their achievements. Btw, they sold out MSG, not ''almost sold out''.

[@Fruitypebbles489]

It's called "the garden" because Madison Square garden PARK. The arena used to be located near the park until it was moved to a bigger location.

[@sleppyhead1501]

I feel so sad for them, it seems some people still forget that kpop idol and actors are people just like us! they don't know us and we don't know them but we like their work and it affect us through our life where we feel so proud of the artist we support. but we should keep in mind to never cross that personal line where it's just them with themselves, respect them for who they are don't judge them, they get hurt just like you and me.

[@mishellnamjoon2787]

the billboard rule change has been already planned for awhile lol

[@light8174]

lol

[@fi0rella]

And sadly it won't make a difference whatsoever, it'll simply force labels that benefit using bundles to make it in a smarter way, that's all. I'm so sick of BB

[@yudhasetiawan1220]

@@fi0rella im so sick with debut bundles

[@fi0rella]

@@yudhasetiawan1220 I'm sick of all of the bundles! It's ridiculous, also that the artists that use it are measured the same way as those who don't. Completely unfair to the artists who don't use it, but that's nothing new. BB has to come up with a fair way to evaluate those charts. This is nothing really, not even a band aid

[@nolwazi6517]

I'm pretty sure Billboard decided to revise their rules after the whole DJ Khaled situation

[@christianaowens6658]

What was the DJ Khaled situation?

[@yarib6479]

Christiana Owens He bundled his album with energy drinks and he got mad cause his album was placed #2 on the billboard charts after billboard decided those bundled sales weren’t valid and the #1 spot went to Tyler the creator. Tyler bundled his album too but apparently DJ Khaled’s marketing team was encouraging mass purchases and other stuff to boost sales.

[@katiewilliams4195]

Kyung is a very smart person so I’m pretty sure he knows what he’s doing

[@TheRealityofFake]

$3.49 was chosen as the price difference because that's the minimum price an album must cost to qualify for the Billboard charts. They can't require an $8 difference if an artist's album on it's own only costs $3.49. I do think that the changes Billboard made will make a little bit of a difference because now customers have to actually redeem the album for the bundle to count as an album sale. But there isn't much more Billboard can do unless they ban bundling altogether

[@brokensports]

The artists websites will just be set up so that the non-bundled merch is impossible to find. Or they will mess with the shipping costs so that the difference in price disappears or even makes the bundled version cheaper. Trust me they will all find ways so that things don't change even with the rule changes.

[@wendyshappiness682]

"Are Army's forgiving you right now? " lmao 😂😂

[@anandisgitha1351]

When ?

[@gracem3412]

a lot of armys were never even mad lmao

[@lvillarreal8865]

S. Korea has always had problems with mental health. It's not just a KPOP issue...

[@soul_asmr]

Yeahhhh I’m glad Siwon did it - but I understand why he apologized. He’s under a contract, and has a team to be accountable for. Everyone knows how he really feels - and I think that’s most important.

[@kimberly3076]

Soul ASMR Maybe that’s why apologizing wasn’t a big deal to him. He made his opinion known

[@somegirlanna]

Those stupid bundles trigger me, because SuperM would do great even without them

[@chasebarber10]

People seem to forget how to have an actual intelligent argument on the internet it's sad and always jumping to conclusions. Poor siwon

[@madeinbusanjkjm]

Danny: "Who the fuck is this guy?" David: "Who the DUCK is this guy?" That just summed up the difference between you guys lol

[@rosy-er7bw]

People keep saying the new rule is going to affect superm but 98% of their sales were pure so they would’ve still got the number 1 spot without it lmao I just think it’s interesting people keep leaving out that part and ignoring the sold out shows they did or I guess all those fans were holograms and not real people skdkfkkf Clowns

[@justmarquize_2780]

"A very controversial episode" Me: *deep breath to listen for Danny's thousand rants*

[@claudiachew]

For the first time, I agree with Danny. Regarding the siwon situation, it's not just about him, there are stakes. Danny looked at the situation more fairly. People come from different viewpoints while judging siwon critically. But, how do we know what are his actual thoughts? He apologised for causing an uproar by an innocent like. So why look at the issue beyond that? Not every action is a political move or a voice of support. If you know siwon, he fights for human rights, maybe it was about the violence rather than who is right or wrong.

[@markchoi14]

When will they stop putting a pressure on idols? Like did they owe them? To be critisize like that!? So sad that they are like taht.

[@lizm3979]

Hahahahaha you telling me a kpop group shifted billboards rules? I’m sorry that’s hilarious They forget to mention Travis Scott 😂 that man sold a 5 dollar lanyard bundle for his astroworld merch collection

[@martingaoseb6725]

is Shaun still popular in Korea? I am still listening to way back home that song is timeless

[@CYPHERZ-gz3bp]

12:51 are ARMYs forgiving you now?😂 I wasn't really mad in the 1st place tbh. I did get annoyed but then realized It was a misunderstanding and it blew out of proportion. Sending you all the good vibes from Dhaka,Bangladesh Sincerely from a #ARMY 💜

[@MinO-ix1gf]

This was such a weird episode!! Danny being so cool and mellow and David being a straight up savage!!

[@Thechildwentbloop]

correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't girls generation the first kpop group to preform at Madison square garden???

[@pepetongtang4368]

it was Smtown concert not snsd concert

[@Thechildwentbloop]

@@pepetongtang4368 ahh okay

[@tomoroxs1012]

SuperM sold out MSG, and their bundles only accounted for 2% of their album sales lmao

[@Nope-eu9od]

That bundle they talked about is actually from their debut album which bundle with 60 merch to make them charted on top of bb 200 tho...not the MSG concert...

[@tomoroxs1012]

@@Nope-eu9od yea i know, even w/ the 60 merch bundles it only accounted for 2% that went into the charting data for bb200, 98% of it was physical sales

[@kkskilletfan66]

That Park Kyung said something about a not so nice practice doesn’t shock me. He’s never been afraid to speak his mind and talk out about unfair situations, and I respect him for that.

[@KimmyGibson]

Both he AND Amber should have stood their ground. I'm sick to death of Korean's being forced or feeling the need to APOLOGIZE for NOTHING they've done wrong except express their opinion. I also abhor the fans who feel THEIR opinion is all that matters and the idols should bow to them.. I highly respect these hardworking, talented idols, but the more I learn about the Korean society/culture the more annoyed I get. People are killing themselves over this sh*t.

[@darlasrujana9613]

he could have but might be due to their company issued a second apology...

[@donnal.padilla4336]

Enjoyed all of your video except for your words on the bundling ... I find it sad any group of Kpop partook of a trend that is so misleading when it comes to ranking on MUSIC charts. Just join the negative aspect of western artists greed to get to the top at whatever means. Those charts should be about music & not t-shits, jaclkets, any freakin clothing or drinks, food & then even bigger being associated with concert tickets. Anything to rake up the numbers. It's a rip to artists that are not known so they get overlooked for the boost merch gives well known artists. The ranking means a great deal to artists & their careers. So you agree with the skewed numbers taking away rights of artists who are very talented but don't have the name behind them?? Sad you advocate such a lousy method being used in the music market.

[@burningSunset78]

Donna L. Padilla skewed moral compass and they cant even see it. Sad, really.

[@anaporto7390]

Creating "n" accounts on iTunes just to buy as much albums as you can bc you wish that your faves chart higher, using VPN to manipulate the views and sales are way worse than bundles. Billboard still allow bundles. The other metods that I mentioned aren't allowed. They're unethical and illegal.

[@donnal.padilla4336]

@@anaporto7390 I see all as unethical...bundles are not music ... chart rankings are music not clothing, drinks, etc... You see it however you wish & I will see it my way. You think bundles other merch with music to take top ranks is right?! Boggles my mind.

[@anaporto7390]

@@donnal.padilla4336 Bundles maybe are unethical, but it isn't cheating bc it isn't illegal. If the rules will change for EVERYONE, I'm okay. All american artists do bundles but some people only call out a kpop group which bundles were only 2% of their 1st week sales. I wish BB will be more dilingent with streams too. Using VPN and creating "n" accts on ITunes just to buy the same album are illegal and unethical practices.

[@donnal.padilla4336]

@@anaporto7390 only call out Kpop?! Where have you been? This corruptive use of bundles has been a big issue for last couple of years as it got way out of hand. Then last year it led to a law suit against billboard by an artist. It's been a big controversy in US for sometime. It's why the rules have been revamped but won't go into effect till 2020. We will see what happens. I despised that a Kpop artist used the skewed system to get their title #1 place. The difference between 1st & 2nd was that close. They took title from an artist that did not bundle. It's wrong. That 1st place is coveted cause it leads to endorsement in US. & the American label SM used for their artist knew full well the issues behind bundles. So they knew & did it any way. I see that as blatantly wrong. But for you to say no one call out for it in US artists is so not true. Research it.

[@mayancohen28]

why aren't we talking about jackson wang "from china"

[@Doyoungismyfave]

You guys need to do your research....SuperM did Sell out Madison square garden. MSG even posted congratulating thrm

[@shannon504]

The thing is western fan don’t give a fu**. Have to seen so American celebrities? Bruh having a different opinion on politics is the least of our concerns.

[@little_r2110]

No one: Literally no one: Danny: CAN WE TALK ABOUT TZUYU THO

[@svthinapia]

This week Got7, Red Velvet and Seventeen got their first ever daesang at the 2019 AAA !! This is a pretty big news

[@dptlsldk9186]

Really?!?! I'm so happy!!!!

[@svthinapia]

@@dptlsldk9186 yes, Got7 won Performance of the year, Red Velvet Song of the year and Seventeen Album of the year

[@safaa9654]

Thank you for defensing Super M and their tactic. Theyre not the ones doing it and they got a ton of shit for it

[@d.y.5561]

Before, I used to think “oh wow that artist sold that many? That artist made it to number 1? They must be popular!” But since staning bts I learned about charts and charting and how everything is fake and juiced up l. Now I always look at the charts like hmmmm I wonder what they’re bundling???? 🤔

[@izzywoods794]

Human u juiced up lmao. Had me dying

[@anaporto7390]

How abt people creating "n" accounts on iTunes just to buy as many albums as they can? How abt using VPN to manipulate views and sales?

[@oceanstaiga5928]

As a suju fan I don’t like Siwon actions either. Just say nothing at all or stay loyal to your opinion but don’t go hood hoppin like that man

[@monstewr1]

No one: Absolutely no one: Danny: i got cancelled!

[@melikan3099]

SM watches this?🙈

[@colorfulcat9993]

Why do people keep saying this year that “this is the first KPop group to perform here” and in a lot of cases (like SuperM at Madison Square Garden) its a lie! A few years ago, I went to MSG to see a Kpop group. Why can’t people get the facts right?

[@kimberly3076]

ColorfulCat Because no one cares enough to do their research

[@filippe_kim]

Because people nowadays are stupid enough to believe everything they see on the internet. There is no individuality and everyone just follow whats the trend.

[@anaporto7390]

MSG itself praised SuperM on twitter saying that they were the first kpop group to perform there. A sold out concert. I know that SM Town had a concert at MSG in 2011 and many SM groups performed. Maybe you saw other kpop groups concerts at MSG theater (theater # arena).

[@freshpinoyboii1707]

I actually think DJ Khalid was the trigger. That was a big controversy

[@lixiu8654]

Park Kyung is a fucking boss!!! Block B REPRESENT!!!!

[@giftb3438]

Isn't park kyung under seven seasons, the subsidiary of KQ?

[@FatMaMohvids]

yes, kq isn't supporting him at all

[@KYHyounghoon]

Yes , KQ doing nothing! I only know seven seasons

[@giftb3438]

@@FatMaMohvids I think KQ is supporting him since they are the parent company to his company but it's confusing when people say Block B is under KQ cuz they aren't.

[@jessie6243]

I get what you mean about the bundling, but when it comes down to it why should anything else but the music sales itself count towards the chart? It’s pretty silly that merch is part of the discussion of music sales

[@moragsage2846]

13:31-13:36. I always love Danny. Especially, when he sighs like that.😍😊

[@KindaJadedish]

There is also past generational trauma that hasn't been emotionally processed or acknowledged from previous wars and occupations, destruction and abuse, economic depressions and vast poverty. It is not just the current culture that exist in Korea that is poor understanding, and treatment of mental health. The cultural and societal treatment of mental health is still significantly formed and perpetuated by older generations. They often have not processed or even been given the tools to process and understand emotions. Their experiences usually didn't give them the opportunity or privilege to take the time to do so. It is taboo in many of their minds and they get painfully defensive when pushed at times. The social rules at times seem like coping methods to have security in expectations, something that they consistently didn't exist all the time. The experiences had by previous generations breed emotional turmoil that can manifest in different ways and trigger specific stress/depression/anxiety related DNA in children at much higher rates. I have hope that at some point SK will have the vocabulary, openness, and willingness to have an educational campaign about mental health and give people the resources to grow resilient in a healthy way. Like using CBT and DBT, mindfulness and rest more.

[@DearlyBeloved652]

1. I question how sincere K-nets are when a celeb takes their life yet the same bad habits continue every time a scandal comes out 2. Saying bundling doesn't matter is unfair to many successful artists who DON'T bundle because they don't want their success to be questioned. SM chose to follow those who bundle and are questioned for it knowing they would be too. Any criticism they get for superm is brought on themselves and is deserved.

[@anaporto7390]

Here we go again... Capitol Records is the company responsable to mannage SuperM's career in US, not SM. SuperM would reached #1 at BB200 even without the bundles thing, which was only 2% of their sales. ALL american artists do bundles. Miley Cyrus sells condons+digital album. Taylor sold pizza + digital album few years ago and has a lot of bundled itens selling in her site...

[@angelarmy67]

Out of all the news here im more interested and anticipating the Kyung news cuz i see his tweet that time n when everything blow up till now I'd been reading/keep updated with all related to it on the twitter n never 😅😅

[@qveenbih]

Is that true he mentioned all the names?

[@elena.2615]

I like how they put a dash under the letter U... I think they are trying to stop us from writing Sperm😂😂😂😂

[@vo5996]

david honey, ofc idols have private sns accounts

[@charstar386]

I mean, Madison Square Garden isn’t THAT big of a deal. It’s capacity is literally 20k. The size of an everyday arena. It’s no Citifield. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@ni-kingtaehyunjkyoongs2758]

I can't confirm that, but still an iconic stage, well known.

[@charstar386]

not a kop fan just a fan of music in general it’s well know. But mostly bc it used to be the biggest venue in NYC, so a lot of big names played there. Nowadays that size is common. You can google it.

[@heaps.]

This was a really fun video 😊 good shit

[@jungkookiemochi2281]

Hey everyone, guess what! *Kpop idols are also humans*

[@HH-bk3uq]

Park Kyung is hella smart, I'm sure he has some hard ass evidence 😳 I'm waiting for shit to go down

[@elleran1969]

I watched a vid by North Korean defectors and they said in NK everyone looks out for each other and is supportive so they are often personally happier (although there is the risk of food shortages or spying etc) they said South Koreans were so driven and seemed sadder and less friendly. I thought this was a good microcosm of how the world has changed, when times are tough we band together ,but when we are overly focused on our personal achievements and getting ahead out values shift and we are less caring. When I was in SK people were friendly, but when I saw a young woman crying and being very upset on the subway no one approached her to check and see if she was ok. In my country I would have talked to her, but as I do not speak Korean and was not sure I didn't but I regret it every time I think of her.

[@casieg.7040]

Do u happen to have a link for that video? I'd like to see it since it sounds interesting. And a lot of what you said is true. I've talked to some people from SK and I asked them why they're so closed off, and a lot of them said is to maintain face which means that they care deeply what strangers think of them and they suppress their emotions to keep face. This leads them to bottle up everything and also to unhealthy coping mechanisms. Anything seen as weak is bad. Also they're raise from a young age that everyone is competition because apparently the only way to be successful is to be number 1.

[@hansmueller5596]

koreans seem very fake and superficial . to me personally it seems like they only care about saving face . look at idols all have a shit load of makeup on . dyed hair . I've seen idols petrified of being recorded without makeup like wtf ...

[@elleran1969]

@@casieg.7040 kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5nQq6ODhZiVe6c Asian boss is great for info on Korea.

[@Bratty.B]

danny became my fave cuz he's reppin chicago

[@sev4765]

For the tzuyu's case, "apparently" JYPE did not force her to apologize but it's her and her family that insisted to do that

[@anisatajy9445]

Weird family. But money talks :/

[@sev4765]

@Alfredo Gomez it's kinda easy to say things like that when you have never been through this situation. You never know how you will react until you encounter those things. And i said "apparently"for tzuyu and her family choosing to apologize,but it's maybe not the case at all.

[@anisatajy9445]

@No Name I know Siwon's family is rich which is why I would've liked if he stood his ground and also especially since he's a part of UN (UNICEF I think). I understand the this would've affected his group members but I noticed that when the time needs ELFs always betrays and SUJU members are most of the time quite. So much for being "Everlasting friends". As for Tzuyu's family, they probably don't care what happens to others and would prefer that money keeps on coming into their household. I'm not hating them. Most families are like that, they'd compromise humanity over their hungry family members (lol but I doubt they're that poor at this point but hope you get my point)

[@sadmochineko]

I NEED THAT KYUNG - YUGIOH EDIT PLEASE UPLOAD THE IMAGE

[@Evejackson777.]

I believe siwon should have stood his ground too.

[@BentonRox]

There's a couple of sports/concert venues in the US that are called "gardens." The two oldest are Madison Square Garden in NYC and Boston Garden in (unsurprisingly) Boston. Some people think it's because the arenas used to be open at the top, but that's not really it. The original meaning for "garden" was a large meeting place for entertainment (it's a combination of French and German) It could be open air (like a beer garden) or it could be a big hall for concerts and exhibitions. The French began using it to describe outdoor spaces filled with flowers and bandstands. The English began using it to describe small places for private use. Madison Square and the Boston Garden were designed to be for multi-purpose large scale events so they were called "gardens" in the old world European sense. And I'm not surprised that SuperM got booked at Madison Square, they are backed by one of the largest music labels in America. I'm not saying it's not an accomplishment, but I think it's more of an accomplishment for K-pop in general that this partnership with SM occurred. It's a sign of how global the South Korean music industry has become, which is awesome.

[@FleurMuller11]

"park kyung is playing a game~~"

[@hope_]

SperM making history¿ LMAO HOLD MY LUNGS I'M LAUGHING TOO HARD

[@vanessaalvevag1173]

"this is risking his whole team and sm operations in china " -- He liked a f*cking twt post , chinese delulus needs to grow up

[@ibelieveinyourgalaxy]

It bothers me that money means more to artists and their companies, than what is clearly right. Siwon works with UNICEF and it feels hypocritical to be bowing down to brainwashed Chinese fans. International fans understand some situations can be hard, especially for new artists and those with familial links China, but Siwon is personally very secure and stepping back from the positive like is disappointing. It should have been the companies being called out behind the group and the western artists. It’s not right to malign names of fellow artists without evidence, so I hope he has everything sorted.

[@npcimknot958]

Hobies TxT Infired Jams all the hypocrites are coming out when it comes to china, you see true motives.

[@none-of-this]

I lost it at kyung's meme you guys are amazing