The End ofFree Zia? /

[@DKDKTV]

Lets wait and see how the controversy unfolds with Jia and the horse by next week. We'll give you updated news and discuss more of our thoughts in the aftershow Feb 1st, 11:30AM(KST) : www.patreon.com/dkdktv Also join our 'All Of Us Are Dead' watch party on Patreon as well.

[@rosean374]

You all bullied this girl. I hope everyone who bullied her are now satisfied

[@mollydelacy9007]

"Flipper" is a dolphin movie or "Free Willie" the Killer Orca movies from the 90's I enjoyed those when I was little. They now have em on Netflix in the US.

[@nurnurnurnurnurnurnur]

David I really like you. But plssss stop hitting the table!

[@terescl0ud603]

“OOH, OOH YOUR BOYFRIEND’S GONNA DIEEEEEE”

[@aratithaly5518]

I hope Jia comes back stronger. She has apologized so many times. It’s enough! Why bully a young girl? When you watch her videos you can see she is so sweet. Leave her alone. International fans don’t care whether she wore fake items or not. I want to watch her makeup tutorials and style tips.

[@adriesim]

I don’t even think that wearing fake designer is that bad in the grand scheme of things, but I initially understood the criticism as she was presenting them as real and lying about it and making money from the lies. She even wore fake products in an ad for the same brand, which is pretty audacious. But it’s gone past criticism and turned into a witch hunt. It seems like people won’t stop unless she does something to harm herself. This reaction is almost on par with people’s reaction to the burning sun scandal but Jia didn’t do anything that abused people. The hate has gotten ridiculous. Were her choices stupid considering she wants to be a fashion designer and a beauty influencer? Yeah, but this is just a misdemeanor, and she took responsibility and apologized twice. I hope she’s doing okay and she can revive her career over after taking some time away from the spotlight and reflecting.

[@rosean374]

They all bullied this girl in such a disgusting manner. I hope they are all satisfied now

[@bigdj29]

First time Ive seen this girl was on that chuu can do it episode and the premise was how to look good reusing clothes, I'm surprised she didn't keep that concept like looking good with knockoffs.

[@mayankjha7444]

It's just koreans and their obsession with fake beauty personas who is that idle in real life to go and hate on someone anyway

[@fireflieer2422]

agree

[@alereyna9624]

But the thing is she never presented them as real she has multiple KZbin videos where she stated they are fake but these are real idk about the brand ad but she doesn’t deserve this amount of hate I would understand if she stole/faked a single artists work but at the end of the day these are big companies I don’t think they will care for this long

[@REChronic54]

I think out of all the girl groups I know, Blackpink has had the least amount of growth with their music. I don’t get the feeling of “look how much they’ve developed their musicality”. Which sucks because I really held a lot of hope for them when they started.

[@mayankjha7444]

Their every song is a bop so i don't care

[@makenzieschmidt7577]

@@mayankjha7444 their songs are bops until the 13251345 youve replayed it because they have NO OTHER CONTENT. bp are seriously one of my faves but i havent even listened to them in like a year because they havent done shit since the album except roses solo and lisas flop solo :( they force us to wait over a year for new music and then the new music is disappointing at best. theres no way they can ever deliver properly bc their comebacks are put up on a pedestal and then it doesnt meet anyones expectations. it is incredibly frustrating to stan blackpink.

[@zarag1621]

Yep. For better or worse,YG doesn’t let them write or produce. We don’t see any evolution musically from them,and it’s becoming really hard to call them artists. YG is sexist. He didn’t give this same trash treatment to BIG BANG.But look how he destroyed 2NE1???….Don’t come at me, but Look at BTS, for better or worse their music had changed so much over the years,that ARMYs can actually call them artists,cuz they make it from scratch.

[@junpi8562]

@@zarag1621 I like BTS, but check out their credits sometime. Only RM has writing credits on almost everything. They have producers too.

[@sethmabler3803]

@@junpi8562 nah that's the English songs but the Korean songs they do write their songs

[@jamais_vu3]

this is so fucking sad and literal animal abuse. i want action to be immediately taken against the staff and everyone and i hope the drama fucking flops.

[@nxxxlooo5726]

The poor horse died just bc of HUMAN GREED istg they better all be jailed

[@btspavedthewaythefact157]

EXACTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[@GlyciaKeylla]

it shouldn't be aired or be stopped

[@MischievousMischief]

I'm glad the horse controversy is not swept under the rug!!!

[@Jenncysworld]

The producers of the show ABSOLUTELY need to be punished. This is animal abuse at it's finest and a totally outdated practice. It's horrific that noone involved in this project stopped this scene to be filmed like that. Outrageous... Shame on them all! Animals do not exist for our entertainment

[@meral_k]

Absolutely agree. They should be sentenced to imprisonment for murdering this horse.

[@INDERSHOW]

did they exist for eating 🤔 maybe you forgot to say that or eating animals every day normal

[@ItsAlicein]

@@INDERSHOW yeah I wonder if the people who want the producers to be fired or even dead are all vegans because if they're not, that's just highly hypocritical.

[@INDERSHOW]

@@ItsAlicein that's my point ppl watch kdramas you know what they eat there so i am not going to comment show producers need to punished because i already watched ppl eating animals in every episode that will me being double standards 😂

[@lunatic5162]

@@INDERSHOW well, I`m vegan. And I`m pissed. Even! if you`re not vegan, you can be just himan being sometimes, you know. And it`s 21th century. You can use another things to show horse riding and sht

[@hwamilka]

I agree with David on the Blackpink issue. They are good and they've got the public's attention at the moment. But in the entertainment industry they must keep the audience engaged, too long of a break will result in people shifting to other artists, not even realising they're less and less interested in BP. Which would be a shame because, as David said, they have the potential for going far in the music industry, and as idols. I'm not even a fan of them, but it's really a shame to not have more of their music and performances when they're so good. I don't want them to be forgotten just because they're focused on different things. It's fine that they have their solo projects, but as a group they're stronger when they act as a group. I hope YG won't rely too much on their current popularity and give them some good music before it's too late.

[@alisyaB2ST]

its hard honestly, cuz their fans have literally be begging yg to give the other members solo opportunities after jennie. They finally got a year whr the other 3 went towards their own style (2 solo and 1 acting). All this combine would totally make it impossible to release grp songs cuz solo work takes out alot of time (esp drama), which explains why they let for such activity in 2021. Theres always a sacrifice for some things. Also with the fact that covid hit so hard then, which also limits concerts, thus shows how yg best handled the situation. Now that things are easing up at some part of the world, and all indiv activities have concluded, it wont be surprise to hear frm them as a grp soon

[@ykcin9539]

It's a waste of a talent and atp I don't think bp even cares because they are so engaged in their model and other works that they are now done with delivering music ig and that hurts a lot. If one want to make music they have open up against y* without hesitation if they care abt blinks ig....

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

I dont get the point of making kpop groups and than just not put out music. Even if its not made with an MV. I don't see the point? In the long run it doesnt even make business sense since the music helps with attention retention but no, companies are too busy selling image thinking thats all we care about instead of talent... I'm not a BP fan, but as a fan of other groups, It gets to me when a group starts getting attention, all companies switch from music making to selling more image.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

@@yukijames1321 yeah thats that short term thing, which korea might want this? they take in teens and chew out young 20s when they're "done" which with the way they can't really get married untill after their career is 'done' thats the only way I think this makes sense.

[@zarag1621]

@@yukijames1321 look at BTS. They are big too,but don’t give a rats fart about “risk”. They put out music. Look at permission to dance…that song was SO TRASH(in my opinion),but before that ,they put Butter and dynamite( both really good songs).They even put songs they made when they were bored,on SoundCloud and yt. Jin made a song about fishing,and RM put out a song about his bicycle. A musicians job is to make music. The whole point is to make music. YG is just using our girls for easy cash grabs and are now turning into a whole “kardashian” situation. False rumors that YGs about to debut a new girlgroup doesn’t help either. That just brings 2NE1 flashbacks.

[@BoraBlooded]

"When it's between a human and a horse..." Danny, no. They did it on purpose. They PURPOSELY tied the horse's leg. Horses can be trained to fall, not to mention freaking CGI exists. This was so unnecessary. The stunt man chose to do this. The horse did not. The stunt man chose to go along with torturing an animal. There is no, "Oh I understand why no one ran to it" No. Absolutely not. The Horse's life was valuable too and what they did what freaking disgusting.

[@satavishadas1931]

He didn't mean it in that way...If a human and a animal fell, people are more likely to save the human! Also I don't think the stuntman had a choice per say he probably signed a contract and now has to follow the director or else he wouldn't get paid...

[@tiquaa789]

@@satavishadas1931 you must not know a lot of "animal people" lol most of the people I know would save a dog over a person in a heartbeat 🤣 Especially if the person was doing something stupid like this. Play stupid games you win stupid prizes, and deal with them yourself. But the animal never had that choice, so they deserve the help.

[@satavishadas1931]

@@tiquaa789 That's messed up unless the dog is their pet...but good for them not all humans deserve to be saved 🥰

[@BoraBlooded]

@@satavishadas1931 No, doesn't have to be my pet. I've run onto a highway to save a kitten in the middle of the road and I go out after heavy rains in the summer to help turtles cross the road so they don't get hit. Of course if it were a child or distressed human, I'd do the same. But in cases like these where humans make their own choices while animals have no say? Yeah, I would have went to the horse first. The stuntman signed up for this and was trained for this, not to mention- is a willing accomplice in this poor horse's abuse and death. Especially knowing anything about horses and how fragile their legs are, and that most leg injuries result in death because of the nature of horses. The handler would have known that- they're all guilty here.

[@lili-oy1xf]

Lowkey agree its extremely messed up to do this to a horse on purpose. A lot of people I know are ranchers and if a horse's leg is in a serious condition there's a saying it's dead already cause legs are so major for a horses' health. Seeing that video is wow...

[@IsabelLopez-pl7cs]

I respect the girls from BP, they are very very talented BUT there is a huge gap between being just performers and being musicians.

[@sozayas]

Thanks.

[@deej6795]

Yeah thats part of why I'm not into kpop. Any talent that the kids usually have in production and musicianship is usually pretty stunted by their companies if they have any at all.

[@raerohan4241]

@@deej6795 That's actually not been so common in the last decade or so. Many companies are starting to encourage self-production now. This is reflected in groups like (g)-i-dle and SKZ, groups from the newer generation, who do a lot of self-production. I think both of these groups' debuts were even produced by themselves

[@d.walker7575]

We have to change that toxic attitude of calling people "just performers" like that is a bad thing. Like are we shitting on ballerinas now? And sing IS art and a gift from god. Stop that. Music is a collaborative effort, anyone that tells you otherwise has never worked nor been around the music biz. Stop regurgitating western marketing tactics that have been used to sell records since the 1960s.

[@d.walker7575]

@@deej6795 Kpop's biggest artist is IU which by default makes you sound crazy.

[@rebecca462]

You can train a horse to fall wtf! They are smart and amazing animals. I am so disgusted. This was not an accident this was intentional maiming of an animal. Those responsible should be held accountable.

[@beyondimagination832]

You are right. These people do not know how to handle horse. They might have done this sort of animal cruelty before & got away with it. This time too they thought in the same way. These people do not value life in any form on earth.

[@aspannas]

@@beyondimagination832 I really wonder what kind of laws there are in Korea to protect animals, because Hollywood has been able to use horses for stunts safely for decades now but this is what they're doing in Korea?? Like are they insane? Are there no professionals handling these horses? It's so upsetting.

[@vibinvloggin]

@@aspannas Wild animals in general are very common in America which is probably why we are able to handle them with better care. Horses in Korea usually live far away from the public but it seems even professionals don't even know how to handle them. Sad.

[@oddlittleangel2383]

The problem with them becoming “lifestyle icons” is that they lose whatever distinction they had from the kardashian-style celebrity: famous for being famous and putting in no work for their fame. At least when they were working as k-pop idols fans knew they work actually working hard. It’s hard to support someone financially when you know they’re just living it up in Paris.

[@unklmonk651]

But there is a clear difference between the members of Blackpink and the socialite you mention. BP members weren't born into money or gained notoriety through some tape, they had to earn their place within the agency or get fired. They aren't just sitting around collecting paychecks peddling diet elixirs on social media. Being a trainee is what separates an k-pop idol from a Paris Hilton.

[@kaitlynbristle5685]

@@unklmonk651 the kardashions were not born into fame or notoriety. They created an image and business by putting themselves in those situations. Kim K was just a friend and stylist of Paris Hiltion but her mother was smart enough to propel their career by creating a brand image around their family .

[@satavishadas1931]

@@unklmonk651 well yeah that would be the case maybe if they would actually have a comeback or promote...Paris and Kim may have gotten their way in through money or tapes but they didn't lay down...they have made tv shows and their own brands. It might seem like a shady way to earn money but its not easy to let the whole world into your personal life. They get a lot of hate for it. Blackpink is extremely talented but they just have been marketed in such way...and this draws a lot negativity from kpop fans who see their faves work so hard AND try new music...and still not do well.

[@hana-rv6ru]

@@unklmonk651 but most of them were born into money.. i still love them but it’s getting harder to support them when i can’t differentiate them from other influencers. i just miss when they did more than post ig ads, brand campaigns, and regular posts. or went to parties in paris and la. even though they started as idols you can’t deny that for the past period of time they’ve been socialites. i think it’s great that they’re in a place in their careers that they don’t need to depend on their singing career and have brand deals instead tho

[@lana-dk8dr]

@@unklmonk651 idk what group u were listening to but most of the members of bp were born into good money or stable finance lmaoooo

[@meral_k]

Honestly, this show should really be cancelled. I don’t care, in this case, about all the people who weren’t responsible for this incident and the work and effort they put into it. Animals’ lives are already viewed as less than a human‘s, so the repercussions have to be this drastic so that a change in animal‘s rights (especially in the entertainment industry) can happen and no one ever dares to treat a breathing, innocent being like this again. I hope the producers and everyone who was involved in and approved this stunt will get their careers ruined (they should be imprisoned but this will never happen unfortunately) because they are murderers. Really, this makes me so so furious!!

[@jamais_vu3]

this is so fucking sad and literal animal abuse. i want action to be immediately taken against the staff and everyone and i hope the drama fucking flops.

[@andromedamessier3176]

I actually have that same issue when I watched c drama back then as a kid. The horse just fell down in pain, and I don’t doubt that it is not real. At that point, I don’t even care about the main characters. But since internet wasn’t popular back then, I don’t know anything.

[@Slm99]

Personally, I want a Blackpink comeback, but I want the girls to be more involved and not just follow the formula that YG and Teddy made for them. To me, they are too talented and I want to see more from them as artists I know YG won't allow it still I can hope.

[@noorjansens222]

Totally agree!

[@mahymetwally8992]

Yg do allow them they just don’t know how tp write or produce music themselves and you guys have to accept that

[@edvaedan9161]

Here’s an idea....ask GD to help write some songs for them.

[@Random-qi3vv]

@@mahymetwally8992 that’s what I was thinking. They let CL write. They let G dragon write and even produce. BP always rode off the privilege and now it shows,because they’ve got nothing to show for all the hype.

[@BurningheartofSILVER]

Right?!? I'm super curious to how their music style would change if the girls were in charge! For example, Rose seems like such a musical genius, but her style seems more 'girl-next-door' than BP's. It would be so interesting to see how all of their different tastes and influences would meld together. Like at this point, I don't care if Teddy still makes the title track, but at least let the girls have more creative freedom on the B-sides. It would give so much more personality/ diversity to their music. Urgh! I'm getting so excited just thinking of what could be

[@hogishim.]

With respect to the Tom cruise analogy, the key difference is that Tom cruise would be aware of the risks and CHOOSE to do that. The horse doesn't have a say.

[@ladysfirstgaming3802]

Great point! Also, Tom Cruise had a harness attached for his safety. They literally tied ropes to the back of the horse's legs. America has had rules set in place since the 40's and we still see videos of harm coming to animals on sets in America today. I can't even imagine the things that have happened in Korea that we haven't seen.

[@lunatic5162]

EXACTLY! Animals is just toys for them or what?! ugh

[@mimijae9154]

At this point I have no expectations for black pink as a group even if they had a comeback now I don’t think I would be happy because that just means waiting another year or more for anything else music related it’s horrible but with the amount of other talented groups with consistent comebacks I’m starting to forget about them…

[@ONLYBRITTA]

EXACTLY. The company totally dropped the ball… I’m sure they’ll still make a ton of money no matter what since they keep modeling and doing all kinds of things. But yea.. I’ve given up on them musically. Especially because those solo releases were a massive disappointment to me😕

[@surabhiranjan5737]

Lol for real. BP were my first foray into K-Pop and they are special to me. I bounced after Rosé's solo and just before the 5th anniversary announcement of the movie... which was just a rehash of content which they'd already put out there. I didn't even care to check out Lisa's solo. The last time the group put out music was in 2020 (not counting the JPN release of The Album... which was literally just four singles). I'm amazed by the fact that for a group who've trained to be K-Pop idols, to work around music, put out such shockingly little music.

[@mly2312]

Same. I keep wishing Rose would come on live and play the guitar or tell us she wrote a little song. Bah! Wishful thinking. All that I get now are repeat foto dumps in different poses... why do they hate us :*( And don't get me started on Lisa's 2 song album. Songs were bangers but really, there's a difference between releasing singles and a comeback record 😪 I h8 YG

[@sarahadams5037]

I saw a video when How you like that came out that has always stuck with me. The youtuber boiled down a lot of the dissapointment to having Blackpink not really grow musically from different releases and so as fans get older there isn't the same interest as when people first go into Blackpink. It makes me concerned for when blackpink are 30+ will the same songs still come across to the fans with the same excitment? Or will a new group with the same vibe take over?

[@kb-ih7ni]

That point about still making money regardless of music is so true though. At this point the people who are disappointed about the lack of music just seems like the vocal minority. Blackpink will continue to break record views and listens no matter the frequency or quality of releases, and that sucks for us fans who really want them to grow and be actual music artists and not lifestyle icons. I’ve given up on BP as artists, I barely listen to their songs now (kinda sick of listening to the same ones for years), I doubt they still care enough about being artists to fight for songwriter status, I barely check out their socials too because there’s really nothing new aside from modeling stuff, and I just ignore any announcement from YGE because I know any info they give is useless until an actual teaser comes out or something, and then even when they comeback, I don’t think it’ll be any different from their previous releases anyway. So while I know there are others who feel the same as I do I still doubt much is going to change. I’m just holding out hope for Rosé because she seems genuinely intent on being a singer-songwriter in the future, but for Blackpink as a group making new, quality, self-composed music that actually means something? Nah.

[@kairallison]

the difference between the horse and the human stuntman, is the stuntman is usually fully aware of all the possible risks (including a possibility of death with some stunts) and can consent and even learn the safest ways to preform the stunt (literally the whole point of being a professional stuntman). . the horse can not provide consent, the horse can not fully understand all the dangers involved, and in this particular case, the horse most likely wasn't even aware of the danger until it was in the air and it was too late. . if a stuntman does a risky stunt and gets hurt or dies, then it's on him or herself for agreeing to do the stunt in the first place. if an animal gets hurt or dies "performing" a risky stunt, then it's on the people who were involved with the stunt and the people responsible for the animal's safety and wellbeing.

[@miss_jess]

Say it louder 👏👏👏

[@mojojobee]

💯

[@fireworks_6549]

Why would they tie a rope to a running horse? I mean, what was the logic? That was definitiley abuse and absolute disregard of an animal life. Should most definitely be punished or taking animal life for granted will get waay worse. Makes my stomach churn when people are cruel to animals.

[@nanaomani]

Why do we continuously talk about these kpop idols as if they aren’t grown ass adults making their own decisions? Blackpink chose to train and sign with YG. They choose to do all the fashion brand deals, influencer lifestyle stuff. In my opinion if Blackpink wanted to make more music they would. You can literally see each members passion. Lisa is passionate about dancing so what does she do. She goes on these shows as idol dance tutors, she’s always with choreographers learning new routines or just dancing, she releases her cinematic dance performances when she wants to. Jennie is passionate about fashion so collaborates with these magazines, fashion brands, etc. I think fans are just holding onto this narrative that YG is locking them into “a dungeon” because they don’t want to accept the reality that most of the girls are just not that into music and yes some of them prefer the influencer lifestyle. I swear these girls will be renewing their contracts with YG and fans will still be complaining. Blackpink is at the stardom level where they have the weight to make demands from their agency. If they’re not doing music it’s because they’re not that interested. Also that statement about Billie and Olivia Rodrigo could literally be applied the other way around. What does Blackpink have over them to deserve more stardom?

[@raerohan4241]

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with demanding music _from a music-making group_ . They are not models, or actors, or influencers first - above all, they are idols. And as idols, they are supposed to be releasing music regularly. Don't forget that the girls also signed up with YG with the expectation that they'd be idols. I highly doubt they're fully satisfied with their careers as they are, either.

[@nanaomani]

@@raerohan4241 I don’t think there’s anything wrong with demanding and being unsatisfied but I think fans are deluding themselves if they feel majority of the blame is on YG. Blackpink are at the stage and have enough popularity to demand changes if they want. At the very least fans should accept reality if the girls decide to renew their contracts. And in my opinion the only member that I think is unsatisfied with the frequency of their releases is Rosé. Hence we see her doing lives and making more appearances for music specifically. If the other girls were that interested they would do the same as well. Instead I can see that Lisa is very passionate about dance and Jennie fashion as well being influencer.

[@christineatieno614]

What about Rose, out of everyone in the group she's the born artist, the singer, the music lover, what about her. Jisoonhas her acting but what about Rose?

[@nanaomani]

@@christineatieno614 I said in my response that Rosé is the only one that probably cares about the frequency of their music releases because she does music related livestreams, covers and makes music guest appearances. What Rosé needs to do is leave the agency at contract renewal or if she wants to continue with YG get it written in her new contract that she needs to have x amount of comebacks or songs each year.

[@yulinar5514]

@@nanaomani omg I 100% agree with this. And i feel like this could also happen since they dont have a group leader, they just go on their own way.

[@ghostaetip3494]

Im sorry but "what do they lack compared to billie eilish" sounds like such an out of touch question to anyone who checked out her music or her story(and im not even a fan). They lack self expression. Blackpink girls are stellar performers and have the it factor which is why they were able to be popular to this extent. But let's be honest, their music and art never had the depht, and they never showed the potential to be billie eilish, have you seen her lyrics? That she herself wrote about her own experiences? The reason she seems like she will be around for a long time is the depht of her art and self expression under all the trendy celebrity facade. Blackpink and their management would need to change the kind of celebrities that they are to make a more gd type of impact. Or grammy level effect. That is not something everyone has, its rare, i don't think bp has it, if they did they would show a glimpse of it by now. they will have the popularity but i don't think it will ever be powered by solely the musical art. I would be pleasantly surprised if they became a gd type of artist though.

[@Random-qi3vv]

Pretty much from k pop, only BTS seem to have a chance at snagging a Grammy. They were nominated for this year as well, but I dont think they’d win. Their category includes Coldplays “higher power” and JB too. Anyway,BTS are releasing a new song this Sunday(just Suga and JK), plus they are set to drop a full Korean (Mots7 level) album this February or march…

[@tiquaa789]

Yeah blackpink really don't compare to artists like Billie Eilish. I'm not even a fan of either of them, but it's pretty obvious that Billie Eilish is an artist whereas blackpink are more like influencers. And maybe that's not their choice, maybe some of the girls WANTED to be artists like Billie Eilish, but unfortunately the company did not take them in that direction.

[@zarag1621]

@@tiquaa789 I really don’t like Billie Eilosh as a musician,or person. But I really don’t think they can be compared. BP I singing a song given to them,while Billie puts out her own thoughts into music.(which I don’t like)

[@surabhiranjan5737]

@@Random-qi3vv For real. BTS care about their music - and music, period - and it shows. They care about what they put out and actively engage with it. Even the less musically-inclined of the group put in effort to find their own style of music (see: all solos). I personally hope they snag a Grammy for a Korean release, but oh well. I love BP and have a fondness for all of their releases, but I highkey agree that neither of them - maybe except Rosé - are very musically-inclined. Or at least they haven't been given the room to grow. Light Up The Sky is special to me because they actually show them working on music and I keep hoping we get to see them trying new things musically... but I don't think that's going to happen.

[@ivee3338]

Blackpink definitely has the quality to be a top artist as Billie eilish. Yes they've never showed it cuz of restrictions,yg is a shitty company with millions of restrictions,the girls have went through a lot and they can for sure make music about their experience with self expression just if they had a better company... Still it's not like just releasing one or two good songs like that gonna make them true artists like Billie but they definitely have potential to make it big if they keep it constant.. let's have faith 🤞🏻

[@kdpak]

In India you can't use animals, except maybe dogs & cats, for entertainment purposes including circus for this very reason. And movies are required to add "No animals were harmed during the making" to their disclaimers. Real horses, elephants, etc. are added later using CGI. All countries need to have similar laws.

[@lili-oy1xf]

Honestly agree even with laws accidents can happen or just straight negligence from studios

[@haze2737]

Just because bts received grammy noms doesn’t mean we can normalise everything for kpop not only kpop but also in pop there are so many deserving artist who didn’t even receive noms or some took years and years but no offens to bp they’re good!

[@allons_y1001]

YG is seriously being stupid. Idols have such a short shelf life... you have a group that blows up in such a big way as Blackpink did, you capitalize on it... you don't have your best players riding the bench! I'm not saying they should release something every 3 months... but twice a year seems pretty damn reasonable and keeps them relevant! I love them, but I'm tired of only seeing them being models and selling luxury goods. Something that's a side hustle for some lucky idols, has become BP's whole damn job the last couple of years and music their side hustle. 😔 Such a shame.

[@hiidupiidu3292]

frrr their exclusivity strategy is getting old. They did this sh1t with 2ne1 and now theyre doing it with bp

[@surabhiranjan5737]

Yep. I'm happy for BP, like get that bag etc... but also - didn't they literally train to become idols who put out music? Why is it that I'm more likely to see them in a CF for a brand than I am in a literal music video? I look at them and just feel sad. They have the potential to be even bigger than what they are. Such a waste of musical talent. YG's decision to starve the fans has only served to push me further and further away from the group.

[@epiphanytorock5284]

even once a year but with an album of ~15 songs or more would be an acceptable thing for me.

[@allons_y1001]

@@epiphanytorock5284 Agreed!

[@merykhan97]

@@epiphanytorock5284 i agree

[@lansc]

South Korea is the number 1 in luxury brands consumption in Asia. The expectation for young people to own luxury goods is far higher than it is in both China and Japan combined. Let that sink in because it’s absolutely crazy, and now people are cancelling this poor girl for trying so hard to fit in? It’s obviously not because she chose fake goods, but because she pretended they were real …. Hmm can’t you guys see it? It’s so sad that Jia literally did everything to be “acceptable” for South Korean society, she got plastic surgery on her face and body, she’s believes that having a fake perfect life is an accomplishment …. Isn’t that really sad? She’s a perfect representation of what South Koreans value in life. It’s not Jia that is “tainting the image of South Korea”, it’s the people’s response toward her that is tainting the country.

[@ashleysavath]

That’s what i was saying in my head too. It’s the way they are reacting is how the outside will judge. We don’t care about the fake stuff. It’s how far people are going to bash her that is the problem

[@mnaoitb1]

perfectly put, most of us in the west actually admire her for being economical and portraying an image whilst saving her shillings. these brands are equally culpable in this issue by gaslighting and manipulating us into thinking that the leather they sell is worth thousands more than the leather bought somewhere else... its absurd and the fact that korean netizens will mutate into foot-soldiers for these "luxury brands" is so embarrassing...

[@HopeeInk]

Jia doesn’t deserve it, do these people keep the same energy with other influencers? It’s always the same, it starts with valid points of criticism and turns into pure hate for that person. She seems so cute, I hope she doesn’t get harmed in this process and that this dies down. There are a lot more things to critique on her than her fake Chanel bag as if plenty of you don’t see multiple of these daily in your Instagram feeds. Yeeah no homegirl is free to go.

[@anastasiat1481]

What is there more to critique on her?

[@sunnevacarat]

I think the difference in human stunts actors vs animals used in stunts is the fact that animals can not consent. They can’t say “sure let’s do it” like a stunt actor can

[@alperry02]

Exactly

[@loveinthetimeofcholera888]

What does Blackpink lack compared to Olivia Rodrigo and Billie Eilish? Umm a lot. The latter are musicians and songwriters who write the majority of their own music.

[@emon8831]

Hmm...but still BP have the 2nd biggest fan base in the world...just their company doesnt let them to write doesnt mean they cant...There's a lot of example

[@loveinthetimeofcholera888]

Emon I get what you’re saying, but fanbase doesn’t matter for the Grammys. That only matters for fan voted awards like the AMAs. And even then you have to be at the top of the charts to be nominated. The grammys decide winners based on how the academy members vote. Even BTS couldn’t get nominated for the main awards after Butter was number one on the Hot 100 in the US for 7 weeks and after selling out stadium shows. We’ll see if they manage to win best pop performance. They didn’t manage to do that last year after Dynamite was so successful on the charts too. Also I understand that Blackpink is restricted, but at the same time you can’t hold them up as talented songwriters like Olivia and Billie when that haven’t actually written anything notable yet. Maybe they have potential, but potential doesn’t mean anything unless it is realized.

[@ssrb0101]

@@loveinthetimeofcholera888 grammys is rigged

[@Random-qi3vv]

@@loveinthetimeofcholera888 BTS won’t win. I hope they do,for the sake of all k pop groups. But they’ll definitely win once RM gets up and writes a song in English,Not Ed sheeran…..l RM, Sugas and Slowrabbit s writing got them this far. Might as well write one in English.

[@sadhourstwentyfourseven9578]

@@loveinthetimeofcholera888 Great phrase right there at the end- Potential doesn't mean anything unless realized. Experiencing this myself around life, I can see this a lot among kpop stans. Like there is this rapper fans swore than could be the one of the greatest female rapper of her generation and should be included in lists but her company doesn't allow her 'show her potential'. It's sad that her potential can't be show if it's true, but you can't just include her among rappers who showed their potential and beyond when nothing has been achieved. This is just one of the many examples around, nothing personal but just the one I could think right at the top of my head atm. I wonder what has led to this mentality inside kpop 🤔

[@em5522]

The Freezia thing is too much. I mean, I get being turned off when sm1's exposed as "fake" when you're a fan, but the hate this girl is getting has been going way too far, imho. I'm not getting why ppl are being so harsh and actively aggressive in canceling her, acting like she did some sort of serious crime and hasn't faced any consequences. There have been Korean celebs who've done worse and faced less abuse by the public. It's just too weird.

[@dharling97]

This is one of the few times where I actually want them to cancel the show and give them a fine that's going to get given to an animal organization

[@zeyv4551]

I can't believe you would compare BP to BE or even OR (I am not a fan of any of these acts), big difference...those Western artists write their own music. There is no way BP will win a Grammy. They don't write their own music, with the exception of Rose, maybe 2 songs. Yeah, that ain't enough for Grammys...Grammys looking to reward artists, not performers. I said what I said.

[@merykhan97]

There is a diffrence between "they don't write music" and "they're not allowed to write music" . Given the chance they 100% can win a grammy. But first they need to have more music and participante more or at least be credited for what they do write. BE and OR won for hit songs not for lyrics fyi

[@xylypotatohead3947]

I got into Kpop around 2017/2018 So shortly after Blackpink released As if it's your last. I liked their music a lot. I was very close to getting into them. I was very excited for d4. But after waiting for a year and then getting 4 songs I was disappointed. Especially because d4 was kinda a lacking song Imo. But I thought they would come back in 6 months or so and then there would be a full album and there would be more songs that I liked. But that never happened. They dissappeared for another year only to release a carbon copy of d4 as a title track. Idk after d4 I really lost interest in them because their music hasn't developed and they don't even have a lot of it in the first place. While other groups that debuted in a similar time frame grew and thrived and developed, like Twice, NCT Red Velvet, etc. Blackpink still feels like a rookie group to me. Sure they r talented, but we don't see much of their talent and there is no logical reason why they have so little music out other that they or YG doesn't want them to release any. Even a lot of western artists, who release music way less frequently, that released their debut album/ep in 2017 or even 2018 have more music out than Blackpink by now. See Billie Eilish for example So either YG doesn't let them release any music because they don't have the resources to make any, which is weird because they r a music label, or blackpink does not want to release any music

[@aykakatibli7249]

Omg. The show should be cancelled. That’s abysmal. Cami deserves at least this much.

[@tamarrartis2918]

It probably won't but it'll forever been known as the TV that killed the horse.

[@Random-qi3vv]

The show would be called “the show that killed a horse”. Lol

[@Lusjellyhead]

So cruel what they did to the horse. 😔 For the stunt man, he knows what he's getting into. The horse has no choice, so it's human obligation to prevent this from happening.

[@ihniwiad]

I think BP are very good performers, in addition to being mostly influencers/life-style icons, of late... the issue isn't that they need to be handed music and raps to say by YG, I really think if they want to be musicians, then they also need to be in the studio at least trying to come up with their own stuff to show they also really want to help push the music. I don't get the vibe there is any real musical drive. This isn't meant to be hateful, so please don't take it that way... but if they want to be taken seriously in the US at least the rappers need to get serious about writing their own verses. I do think they have the ability to keep getting bigger in the US, as they already are fairly well known, certainly compared to most Korean acts, but, again, I don't know how serious they are about making music vs. being in the spotlight.

[@zarag1621]

Exactly. They can make a song and release it for free on SoundCloud. Don’t say they are too big for it,because BTS upload their “music made when they are bored” on SoundCloud and at time on KZbin. Jin literally made a song about catching tuna. Which he made when he was bored when fishing. RM put out a song about his bicycle 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

[@moonhu1935]

Yes musicians keep releasing their own songs without big releases or comeback and always working in studios but true I don't see that in bp, Even if they didn't do full production, they don't really involve themselves enough writing or composing to be at that level, now as solo artist they don't talk about their music so I never took them like musicians, but I'm guessing rose has her definite style and will evolve to it in future, for others I don't see it as of now

[@jayceyallen7745]

I love BP but the difference between them and people like BTS and Billie and Olivia Rodrigo (and even Bigbang) is they have little to no involvement in the music making process. While the music and preformances are great it's the same YG formula as always and not really anything that sets them apart from other YG artists. That shows individualism and personality of each member. Bigbang and 2NE1 were icons of their time and while they had a YG vibe that no other company can replicate, they also were so involved in the making of their music/preformances/clothes that so much if their own personality jumped out at you and and no other group even in YG could replicate them. To win a Grammy you shouldn't just be good and likable in my opinion you need to be unique in a way that no one else copy. I hope one day the girls either find a new company or are given the opportunity to do what they trained years for. I feel like there's so much talent even in music production/fashion etc that we haven't seen yet that would bring them on a level closer to BTS.

[@nerdgurl402]

Well said

[@merykhan97]

I disagree on the Grammy part. It's known that now it's 100% a popularity award. Whoever writes the hits wins or even gets nominated. And i say that with all due respect to the people winning. The weekend had the best album of his career : all self-made not a single nomination . Same goes for Miley cyrus. As for BP: the only things they lack are more music and more freedom. They have the talent and potentiel to be even bigger than the names you mentioned.

[@Annaonesun]

I mean, as an old blackjack and current blink, my hopes are not high and have never been high. I have zero confidence in YG when it comes to female artists.

[@juliakeeton6953]

Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo are popular and Grammy nominated mainly because of their song writing abilities. They write all their own songs and their lyrics are, in my opinion, amazing. They are authentic. That’s what it takes to succeed in the American market. That’s why BTS gained traction in America. There is an expectation here that you have a hand in the creation of your songs and that they express your genuine emotions. I have no idea what Blackpink talent’s are in regards to songwriting and producing. But, in my opinion, gaining creative control over their music is the only way they could come close to Olivia and Billie. But I doubt that’s going to happen because that’s not the kpop model. In kpop everything is controlled by the company. I feel like kpop companies misunderstand the American market. Like BTS is never going to win a Grammy with songs like Dynamite, Butter, and PTD. They’ll win by creating a polished song that’s real and honest.

[@JoanieBean]

Blackpink coming near the grammy's is far fetched for me. They don't have the best music and like you said they are now being seen as influencers. BTS, despite being LEGIT artists (writing and producing) with good music, ppl still don't respect them much in the US. BP has so much work to do.

[@IsabelLopez-pl7cs]

Agree

[@shhd2105]

They quite literally don't have any music go get a Grammy

[@IsabelLopez-pl7cs]

@@shhd2105 I agree with David in many things and I know he likes BP but saying they are ok the level for a Grammy was weird, when he said it I was like : 😵‍💫

[@zarag1621]

True. As I see it right now. BTS is doing great work for all of k pop, when it comes to making it mainstream. They got nominated for a Grammy this year as well. But I’m 100% sure they won’t win. Coldplays “higher power” is on the same list as well,including Justin Bieber. BTS might win a Grammy in the future,since they are dropping their new Korean album this year with the continuation of the BU( or that’s what Jin said). They might add a few English songs. RM hinted that they’d go back to their hip hop roots, but who knows🤷🏻‍♀️. But I hope RM and not Ed sheern who writes their English stuff. We need the good old deep lyrics

[@jerminie2310]

@@zarag1621 I get what you are saying unfortunately that is how it is when you are not American I would love to see them win but the chance of them getting a win is low

[@leslieserendipity]

Poor horse :( they should've used a fake one, with the technology we have now, it is possible ffs

[@raerohan4241]

Forget a fake horse, there are horse actors specifically trained to be able to fall realistically (and safely). Most movies and TV shows with horses in the west hire these if they need such a scene. The producers of that drama should have done so as well.

[@kaly5678]

What I'm about to say is for sure going to get me a lot of downvotes, but I don't care. YG has no intention of giving BP consistent comebacks. They have become complacent with the way BP earns them money. When BP does have their comeback the song will most likely be underwhelming, but their fans are going to praise it as if it were a masterpiece because they have been deprived of BP music. When you look at the amount of music that they have released relative to the amount of time that they have been active, it is very minuscule. No matter how many times Blinks beg for a comeback, YG will continue to rarely give them out until BP's contracts expire. I enjoy some of BP's music, but I won't become a fan because why would I put myself through what Blinks are going through? They also don't have much diversity in their music, it feels like the same song just with a different skin...

[@Pschokid]

Look at the reaction threads or videos for like every single comeback. First there is disappointment then after a while they claim to like it. I know because I was one of them

[@liddlealice431]

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I just discovered Free Zia less than 2 weeks ago and really liked her content omg. This is so sad. She doesn't deserve this amount of backlash.

[@kaitlynbristle5685]

Lol disagree with David's comparison of blackpink with Billie or Olivia considering their image as well as song writing but I agree that they can really succeed if they just had that one amazing album

[@N.S0]

David is really overdoing it with the grammy Nom. It's not comparable at all. Granted, not every grammy winner deserved their award.

[@zarag1621]

Ikr, Drake rejected his nom…..but cmon now, all Grammy nominated artists are high caliber

[@tiramisu2300]

I understand BLACKPINK being not able to release music because of YG ‼️ But I'm so sad that BLACKPINK themselves do not make any effort to stay in touch with fans...like VLIVE (not VLIVE+) insta live...or release covers or sing on vlive (Not that they have to) but if they were as frustrated as fans not being able to see them...they can do these but they don't 😭😭😭😭 i miss them sm

[@Human-jt7ho]

I don't know about you david but one big difference between BP, eilish and rodrigo is the other two write their own music let's start from there

[@dianamode212]

The major difference between BP and Olivia Rodrigo/ Billie Eilish is that the latter 2 actually write their own music. BP are performers and are very good at it, but you can’t really compare them and say what do these artists have that BP don’t…

[@d.walker7575]

They write the lyrics (halfway at that, lots of co-writing going on) they don't compose anything. All Black Pink has to do is simply let Rose use what's in her songwriting notebook on those albums and they'll be at the same level. But they really don't have to cuz there are music stars way bigger than both Billie & Olivia that don't write a damn thing.

[@xan-s6s]

Blackpink has in total 17 songs + 3 solos if you don't count remixes and Japanese versions. Twice's last album alone had 16 songs...

[@xylypotatohead3947]

Fuck they have even less songs than I thought my God. I thought they had 20 songs. That's not a lot even for western standards. They would have 40 songs out by now. Damn

[@IsabelLopez-pl7cs]

@@xylypotatohead3947 They are influencers to be honest

[@xylypotatohead3947]

@@IsabelLopez-pl7cs yeah sadly. I really liked them around as if it's your last era. But now they feel like rookies. It's just so weird

[@IsabelLopez-pl7cs]

@@xylypotatohead3947 I think they know the true, they are not really musicians, maybe they like to sing, rap and dance but that’s it, they like being just performers and being influencers is what they love.

[@gabriellatumengkol157]

Hate comments spotted

[@Bluetree0502]

Blackpink do not write their own songs so comparing them to OR or BE is delusional

[@Random-qi3vv]

Yep. Insulting tbh.

[@mmimi_ah]

Somebody once said blackpink was a dancer, social media influencer, model and actress that occasionally met to make music

[@wajeehasajad8888]

Multitalented

[@HopeeInk]

Atp I don’t expect anything from YG, people are shitting on BP left and right, *because* their discography is lacking. “The BP has less songs than NCT members”-joke reached already iconic status and it’s so frustrating as a blink, even if they don’t release on the same circle like other groups how are we going over a year without any group comeback. They really said starving, not even OST’s, yes they are highly influential and Blackpink, but how does YG always forget that kpop is the driving force in Blackpink even having a platform. They became these huge *because* they are artist, kpop idols. And I feel like the girls wouldn’t mind to have a least one comeback a year.

[@xylypotatohead3947]

Yes. Their music didn't develop. They don't have much music out even for western standards. They have like 20 songs out after 4 years. That's like one album and a few singles. Western artists with similar label backing etc would have 2 albums or even 3 albums out by now (I mean look at the music Rihanna has released between 2010 and 2014). So yeah I agree with u

[@ahripark2593]

Agree with you guys on Jia, actually I was a fan of hers before she went on Netflix and before she got so popular. I was a fan because of her personality not because of the brand stuff…who cares if it’s fake?…

[@selina.yoongi]

i like BP but... all this... YG should give them.. this and that..they are all musicians but that the company totally relies on like 2 producers who write for all the groups is just not the best for an entertainment company...so they should let them make music themselves.. at least write their solos..after Rose´s "R" (where she is credited as a writer) ... i was so hyped up for "Lalisa".. and is such a bummer.. she/YG marketed it as HER solo HER true self.. and then it was not even written by her (sure yg never really puts them in credits but rose was credited.. so why not lisa on lalisa would have looked better to be honest) .. i really like her dancing and the references to her cultural heritage.. and she looked beautiful... but for HER SOLO i actually expected more FROM her... so i really hope that when they make new music they write some stuff themselves. (and get credit for it )

[@taen_y]

I think the word you're looking for is "socialite" lol. And you have a point, it is a pretty sweet deal they have, going to parties and events for a living... Sad for fans though.

[@Random-qi3vv]

And we fans are supposed to keep buying their merch? When smaller groups, newer groups, and their direct competitor BTS are dropping song and content? I stopped being a blink. Felt like I was being cheated on.

[@taen_y]

@@Random-qi3vv I never said that, I agreed that it is sad for fans. Whether or not you buy merch etc. is your choice, and if you no longer want to support them, you have every right. I disagree on seeing other groups as "competitors" though, that's a stan mindset I don't want to be a part of. Anyways, their contract is ending soon, if their lack of music is to blame on YGE, they're free to sign with other labels and pursue making music, I can imagine Rosé e.g. might take that direction. If they want to stay together as a group and make music, I don't think any label would turn them down. There's also the possibility that members might not be interested in making music and more invested in acting, modeling etc. I guess we'll have to wait and see what their choice is will be in future...

[@zarag1621]

Sorry,that IS Stan mindset. But that’s true. Anyone can act like it’s not,but BTS and BP……oh sorry, ARMYs and BLINKs are in competition with each other. Jennie would never leave YG. Lisa might get into dance ( I won’t say rap,because Lisa’s getting hyped up without writing a single verse of rap), and Jisoos into acting.🤦🏻‍♀️…..only Rose seems to be into music. She can at least drop a song or two on SoundCloud. It doesn’t have to be good.

[@미헤이-y7g]

must be nice to be blackpink just partying having fun with life earning money while doing the bareminimum for fans and fans would still eat it up while others have to work 10x harder. just goes to show 'privilege' i appreciate famous ppl who still work hard while being already up there and not rely on their status. they have more fashion deals than music in their career ig being a singer is part time job for them

[@shhd2105]

You're speaking facts but they might get you attacked.

[@iam_karla]

the thing about bp is that they earn more than other idol on other agency. they are actual millionaires now.

[@Scout555]

@@shhd2105 not actual facts. Doing solos takes more work out of each member because they carry the whole burden of the project.

[@justhere7745]

Partying and having fun isn’t the issue here. They are allowed to have lives outside of the industry. When blackpink does something, whether it be as a group or solo, they do it well and that makes the fans want more from them. Blackpink are amazing performers and they didn’t get all these fans from doing the “bare minimum”. The company is to blame for the lack of effort not the girls.

[@iam_karla]

@@justhere7745 yeah. whatever the girls and the company are doing bp will have jobs outside the industry. they met people, very influential, powerful people. they are legit ARTIST. THEY ARE NOW ARTIST AND NOT IDOLS.

[@Erraiad]

Once ITZY , G-idle or Stray Kids get more recognize internationally , it's going to be very hard for BP to grow . These groups are putting amazing contents, songs, albums while interacting with fans, doing concert and involved in the making of their songs . There are fourth Kpop gen who just started yet they have worked hard . I really think BP will have to put some real work to be considered legends among third Kpop gen .

[@Random-qi3vv]

StrayKidz is literally the second most famous boygroup in the west after BTS. Did you see this years popularity awards. Only Lisa made it in. While Txt ,ateez ,twice,ITZY and a fe other made the top ten

[@harperwilson1595]

The difference is blackpinks have a very loyal fanbase. There very less multi fans and most of the fans only Stan's blackpink. So it's very hard to expect them to leave the fandom. Even I thought blackpink will lose popularity in 2019 period when they had a long hiatus but they didn't even today no fandom other than army's could surpass them in power. We discuss this every year when blackpink goes to hiatus then they comeback and they are on top of the charts selling millions. I don't know how or why or what is the equation behind it but their fandom is definitely not decreasing. Blackpink girls are damn lucky to have such a loyal fanbase. I hate yg but have to give credit to building up such a fandom whom are like blood loyal to a group even without a release in 15 damn months

[@raphaellallawmkima9098]

@@harperwilson1595 this fandom are unpredictable tbh.....

[@Juli6SS]

I don't know about being happy with just being an influencer with BP. Aside from Jisoo who wanted to be an actress, other girls actually wanted to be a performing artists, right? So being a successful brand is cool and all, but I see it as they worked extremely hard to get their dream job but they don't actually get to do what they love. Yes money is nice, but money isn't everything. Plus, I'm sure they know about fan's unhappiness and disappointment with lack of music. Can't imagine this being a nice knowledge.

[@summerladner180]

I am so curious to listen this. I was just having this conversation with daughter about the condition of the animals (mostly horses) I see in period dramas. Even if the horse is a prop or a double it still shouldn’t look so bad. Bones poking out and results of poor saddle fitting. Yea I’m an equestrian also so I do have an eye for certain things also. But that besides point. I’ve been curious about animals in dramas lately and rules regarding them in Korea.

[@summerladner180]

The Grand Prince drama horses esp polo scene was very concerning to me

[@summerladner180]

Oh wow a cable for real ??!! As an equestrian this hurts hard.

[@prikkeroglapper]

Many skinny horses and very little horse friendly riding in historical dramas. It doesn’t look good at all.

[@aspannas]

There are also so many underweight horses in korean dramas, it always bothered me. As an equestrian as well, this is so upsetting to see happening.

[@summerladner180]

@@aspannas I know. 😔

[@tip1199]

By now Blackpink studio might be cover with dust and spider web. Bruh if only YG let these girlies write their own music then we won’t be seeing angry mob in the Internet asking for CB. Hopefully their fate won’t turn out like their Senior.

[@HopeeInk]

Lisa said they always record new music, that makes it even more infuriating, because there is literally nothing that would hold YG back.

[@zarag1621]

The rumors that YGs debuting a new girl group don’t help the situation at all

[@wajeehasajad8888]

@@HopeeInk none of the non blinks would know blackpink have over a couple of hundred unreleased songs, as per their producer.

[@surfingmindwaves]

The video of the animal abuse is absolutely heartbreaking.... Non-human animals also deserve our respect and should not be used by us for our entertainment or pleasure. However, I think one important thing we need to talk about in this situation is also that of factory farming. If we consider the way this horse is treated as being abuse then so is our entire food system which is built on the exploitation and abuse of billions of beautiful sentient beings every single year. We all agree that the way the horse was treated is abuse and clearly wrong, so we need to also reflect on what we do on a daily basis for our own sensory pleasures (having meat on our plates), because by eating meat we support the abuse of animals and make it go on for longer. Please check out Earthling Ed's KZbin channel for some eye-opening talks, debates, and videos about our current destructive and unethical animal agricultural practices and why we need to change our system and move to a full plant-based lifestyle if we want to save our planet and create a more compassionate world.

[@Maria-ys2tt]

Completely agree!!

[@zarag1621]

Blackpink is falling FAR behind. 4th gen girl groups are becoming more relevant and getting more comebacks. Aespa is growing,ITZY are growing. Just recently IVE came and smashed it for the shortest first win. Kep1ar is coming it o the scene ,strong as ever. LOONA is doing good, Dreamcatcher,the underrated sleeper group is slowly gaining traction in popularity. SM might release a new song with Girls On top. And Blackpink need to be at the top of their game if they want to stay relevant against the female version of superM. Look at how BTS listens to their fans…. they are literally dropping a full Korean album this year with the BU storyline. ARMYs said that they want the Korean songs back, so BTS said yes,and went to the studio and made some during the pandemic. Either YG needs to let the girls have creative freedom,or the girls should make YG give them, the freedom to put out their ideas,heart and soul through music.

[@winnars]

I agree Bp should drop more music, but falling far behind? That's just not even close to true.

[@zarag1621]

@@winnars I’m tired of streaming the same 10 songs for over a year. Girlgroups and rookie groups are doing better than anyone expected ,and MONSTER ROOKIES has become a trend. MYs are becoming the new blinks. Look how fast they are growing. Not even one year in and they won a daesangs. ITZY already has put out 50+ songs,while BP s at 20 🤦🏻‍♀️. Blinks are leaving left and right,because now there are a lot of options.

[@jz_es.469]

I think YG is letting them make connections to these big stars. Kpop idols don't have the same social life like BP does (partying with big names, being friends with them) maybe the few big k-celebs out there are but not a lot. You don't often hear or see KPOP Idols partying in Europe/America with western/global celebs or being on multiple fashion shows. They're like purposely letting them be social with western celebs to make connections spreading their name out there. But the music they put out aren't the most mind boggling or earth shattering and YG knows that and so they're letting them make a name for themselves not as artists but as korean "celebrities".

[@Random-qi3vv]

Really, they are musicians. They should be making the same connections. Look at BTS. They make connections too. But with musicians. Do you think BP is promoting their music at dinner in Paris🤦🏻‍♀️,or at a random runway?. No,but BTS is promoting it at the Grammies,at the AMAs at studios they got to visit. Literally artists come up to them,or they go to other artists,talk about wishing to collab,. And they do collab. BP are drop dread gorgeous,and maybe they enjoy the life of an influencer.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@wajeehasajad8888]

@@Random-qi3vv Blackpink are promoting in a way, artists like Olivia Rodrigo, Katy perry, Ariana have always wanted to collaborate with them, hell aren't Jennie and rosè friends with the weeknd, Bella poarch. There are hints that they may also collaborate with drake, Taylor and doja. Lisa was friends with DJ snake and they also collaborated with each other.

[@b-btsarmy]

For what David said , comparing BP to Olivia, and belli eilish, to be fair, these artists artistically they are well focused and talented in writing songs singing. BP is not interested in song writing and producing. I am absolutely sure if any of them is able to do any thing like that YG entertainment proudly would say that for sure, I mean they want to show for the world that that their artist are also talented. Especially when they said this group is made for international audiences.

[@BurningheartofSILVER]

Yo when y'all mentioned Made, it took me back! 😭❤ Excuse me while I go cry my heart out, while blasting this album on max volume, and reminiscing my high school days/ 2nd gen Kpop in general 👑

[@brendagonzalez1436]

As someone who is responsible for two of these majestic beautiful creatures this is truly unacceptable!! This horse and any other used for stunts is at the mercy of the staff, if done properly a scene of this sort can be achieved but sadly this was not the case! And like Danny pointed out that it looked very dangerous, if it’s dangerous for a human you best believe it’s dangerous for any living creature! I hope this makes enough noise so that something like this doesn’t happen again!!!!

[@zarag1621]

Wow. It must be amazing to have horses😎

[@brendagonzalez1436]

@@zarag1621 It is but it’s also a huge responsibility! They’re not like having a house pet, these beautiful creatures need a lot of work and attention, they not only have to be housed and fed but also worked out! Thankfully my two young sons take care of that which have also taught them about discipline and responsibility! They require a lot of work but also give as much if not more than they receive! That’s why we should take great care of them if you’re responsible for one/few and not just seen as something visually pleasing or expendable play things!

[@asia5110]

The thing with Jia is funny cause she's not the only one using fake items, I have some korean friends that are a bit angry about it and than I asked them if their clothes items are all originals and silence came in the conversation...after that everyone changed about this controversy knowing most of them have things that arent of those brands and are fakes....so I don't get why hating on her for it

[@hana-rv6ru]

no literally it’s just cancel culture.. the ppl calling her out are the same ppl that own or would buy fakes. also why are they riding so hard for these luxury brands? those brands don’t care abt ppl unless they can buy their stuff.. it’s just embarrassing how they’re hunting down ppl for these brands.

[@d3coko208]

In Korea, there's so much knock offs stores, out and open. I don't understand the hate honestly.

[@maamyy]

That’s really also weird to me you see so many people wearing fake in Seoul and even Fake shops full, it’s crazy

[@amishaakumar7863]

Honestly, the hate against Free Zia has gone too far. Imo, she didn't need to take down stuff either. It's just an influencer wearing fake products. Its really not that serious. Let people do what they want. She wasn't even hurting anyone. Also, that fake luxury brand reviewer sounds interesting. She should totally do that lol.

[@kiyoka51]

I agree that the hate is too much but it is true that Zia did wrong thing. She even wore fake dior bag in “the real dior sponsored” dior perfume ad. People are calling her out. But I agree that it’s too much

[@Poppinion]

@@kiyoka51 can I see a link for that. That's sound like the producers of the photoshoot was at fault for not checking the products authenticity.

[@yulinar5514]

I mean, if YG wants to do the strategies of "not releasing too much music". at least feed the fans with some blackpink content. They have a big amount of youtube subscribers on youtube, but what fans get was content from 2019. They always try to give fans paid content while the member itself is not really engaging with fans often.

[@thedyosa]

my heart broke for the horse.. even if the horse did not die bec of the kdrama thats still inhumane..

[@saintsataniko2116]

That is grotesque animal abuse for a Kdrama. Hollywood stopped doing that shit with tripwires for horses at least 50 years ago!

[@yousoraa]

Yeah, I don't want more merch. I want more music first :( Also like I wish Teddy wouldn't make every single song for them because he doesn't do anything different. Same song different lyrics. It’s gotten so bad blinks are literally making comebacks for them.

[@HopeeInk]

I don’t know if this exists, but it would be stupid if not. There are “acting dogs” who are trained to act in specific ways and used for stunts, how comes that they didn’t hire an “acting” horse. I’m sure you could train a horse to “fall” in a realistic way. This dead was so senseless. Poor horse and poor stuntman.

[@xylypotatohead3947]

There r showhorses for sure, I mean there r circus horses, why shouldn't there be showhorses

[@coryhawley738]

they are expensive though so they just usually use normal horses which is bad

[@BoraBlooded]

Yeah, you can train a horse to fall realistically without it or the rider getting hurt. I've watched horses and riders getting trained in falls and rolls for years. The idea that people actually thought to do this just... blows my mind and disgusts me. Not to mention it's 2022, cgi exists if you can't afford a trained horse.

[@coryhawley738]

@@BoraBlooded yeah I mean if they don't have the money for a proper stunt horse then they shouldn't be doing the drama in the first place

[@d.walker7575]

As a former Blackjack imma say (of YG) don't hold your breath. It will have to be someone outside of them to push Black Pink to the next level. Like if Max Martin (Please Google if you don't know who that is) said he had some songs just for them.

[@asp11177]

I have seen couple of my friends move on from being a blink to other GGs and now are just casually listening to BP music if they want to. I am still a blink but also a multistan so I still have my other favs whose comebacks I look forward to. At this point I have kept my own expectation to zero. I don’t want to leave the fandom because I love the girls and I can see that they are happy. The recent OT4 vlive was like a healing ointment of sorts of me. I was so happy to see all of them together. And yeah I know 2022 they will eventually have a comeback but if this time it’s just a single or a mini album then I’ll be hella angry at YGE. They need a full fledged album with Atleast 10 songs with varied musical beats. I don’t think as a blink it is unreasonable to expect Atleast this much

[@Isabella1680]

I feel sorry for Blinks, they must be so sad to not have new music from their singers and no performance or concerts. The kpop lifestyle thing is actually only sth positive for the BP members, as they get 70% of the profits, if that's still how it was before. But they get less when they do music. After all most start to love an singer for their music, not them being the spokesperson of a brand. For Blinks I hope you will get music soon 🤞

[@kairallison]

not gonna lie, I kind love seeing danny's shirt changing with the background. just kinda cool to watch. like the shirt is participating in the news too. I vote for more green shirt!

[@yankalatas4998]

This might be long but I wanted to explain in detail what might have happened with the horse in detail for those interested because I am sooo mad. Firstly, I've been riding and caring for horses for a long time, and I know a proper stunt team would have NEVER allowed this. These people spend their entire lives on training these horses. They become family. It is possible to train a horse so that with a few camera tricks, it looks like it tripped and fell (safely). The rope did not allow for the horse the get up, which is important because it's their first instinct. A flight animal will never stay down if possible. Tangled in that rope, Cami probably hurt itself even more trying to get free. Also, injuries to the legs are very hard to heal for horses because they need to be on their feet 95% of the time. I see that the horse fell on it's neck. These types of head first falls happen, but usually doesn't result in serious injuries for the horse, because they "roll". Rolling is crucial to distribute the impact, and we see the rope preventing that (a horse can balance pretty quickly and easily, although the weight of the rider complicates things). Same goes for the stuntman. He was unable to roll and falls directly on his chest and face, probably got the wind knocked out of him, he then rolls to the side in pain. There is no way he didn't know this would happen. Stunt people are actually very wary of injuries because it prevents them from their job. Same goes for the animals they train, probably even more so. I suspect they had no idea what they were doing. It feels like instead of paying for a proper stunt team they opted for who would do it the cheapest. Unfortunately this isn't the first time an ex-race horse was considered "expandable". These horses are taken to the tracks very very young. Their only job is to run faster, so the trainers don't spend time on crucial steps in training a horse, like teaching balance, boundaries etc. So when these "failed" horses retire they are very young, at most 5 (mind you a horse can start ridden work at approx. 3, but race horses start even younger). So these ex-race horses (who are hot-blooded breeds) are basically 3 year old kids who have never been taken care of properly and taught manners. They can have great success in other fields but they require a lot of work. You need to teach them everything from scratch. This makes them "undesirable" and a lot of them (around the world) are sold to slaughter. This "stunt" was done being aware of the consequences. They knew what they were doing they just thought they could get away with it, and probably got away in the past.

[@Random-qi3vv]

Jesus. Those idiots at the show should be punished or fired. Just horrible

[@unklmonk651]

Blackpink does music? Jk.

[@HopeeInk]

Yeah U heard that one song of them years ago. Prolly one hit wonders /jk

[@미헤이-y7g]

just fashion

[@TheFullmetalAlchemist.]

🥲

[@mdm0316]

They do actually! But if you are not a fan and just a mere hater then you'll never know what are the songs they co-produced.

[@rosesarerose1530]

They dont mKe their own song composer do

[@adrianafarama4523]

I think what's lacking dor bp is the fact that they don't get involved. GD for example, or SUGA or RM from BTS, they got into their companies already being producers and songwriters, they didn't have to be trained into that, they already had a special passion for music they only needed a platform. As much as J love blackpink I think they're lacking that

[@sardinesandpyjamas]

I feel like BP has lost the window to make powerful comeback and capitalize on the kind of popularity they had at one point. Not that they're not popular, but I feel like the fandom doesn't have much unity, it's full of solo stans these days, the fandom is the support system. Most solo stans don't care unless it's their bias and I feel like as that sentiment grows, the fans that genuinely want them back are reducing or moving onto other groups as time passes

[@vanesalusaria7860]

The way David compared BP to Olivia and Billie Eilish is exactly the way same my mum would compare me to my friends back in high school when she was disappointed.😂😂😂 "Look at your friend X, Y and Z, What do they have that you lack???" 😂😂😂 But honestly, what do Olivia and Billie have on BP -: Well produced songs and a machine ready to push their songs everywhere including ads b4 BTS songs (Cough Cough) . Given BP large fan base its actually shocking that they are not able to compete. They should be dominating.

[@zarag1621]

What are they supposed to compete with? Two year old songs?🤷🏻‍♀️. Jimin has written and produced the least amount of songs from BTS(11), and that’s still more than half of BPs discography (20). … ARMIES, B elish fans and all k pop fans eat good. While I feel like I’m stanning 4 models who got famous of a few hits songs.

[@leslieserendipity]

A grammy? That's too much, i know you are a fan but that's just-- if BTS had to work a lot to get a nomination and they make quality music and they write their own stuff, bp will have it even more difficult, not hating on them but let's be realistic lmao

[@HopeeInk]

Respectfully they got their nominations with “Butter”, what they even didn’t write alone. With the amazing discography that they have, with all the effort they put into their music, they had to release a half hearted, radio friendly English single with nonsensical lyrics to get there. Obviously their popularity and armys help a lot too, but if I see any other kpop group doing this and succeed it would be Blackpink.

[@charstar386]

@@HopeeInk But they were nominated for their performance, not the song itself. It’ll be a long time I think before a Kpop song is nominated for a Grammy. Grammys are very gate kept.

[@수잔-i7x]

Totally agree

[@Scout555]

Grammy’s are run mostly by non Asians. They will award their own and throw scraps to soften any backlash.

[@Ceinwyn2007]

@@HopeeInk BTS have been on the Recording Academy radars way before Dynamite or Butter, they even are, along with Bang PD, voting members, all that because of their discography and believe me if they hasn’t had that korean discography to labelled them as true artists they would never have set a foot at the Grammy in 2019, they would never have been invited to the nominees dinner nor performed there in 2020 without being nominated and they certainly would have never been nominated 2 years in the row despite Dynamite and Butter being massive hits in the US. That why groups like One Direction or The Spice girls, despite being extremely big at their times, never receive a single Grammy nomination nor invitation. BTS wasn’t nominated before because they went for pop categories, the most competitive ones, with the biggest western artists there, it’s impossible for a non western and non english speaking artists to make it to the pop categories without having a massive hit in the US.

[@not_creative_enough]

The problem is not even the music itself but the lack of promo. They barely promote in korea, even worse in the US. No performances, no interviews... it's already impressive they are as popular as they are right now

[@ness6976]

YG are bad at managing treasure and BP, imagine their shareholder confidence…. I am not surprised because where’s the revenue coming from? COVID 19 is not an excuse for not producing music - blinks have got to be the most patient fandom. Um before Grammys they need to chart better first /gen

[@Random-qi3vv]

COVID’s not an excuse. Other groups thrived in lockdown. Stray Kidz release a whole album. BTS dropped 4 tracks and even cleaned at the AMAs. Mamamoo s,Wheein and moonbyul both dropped solos. I could go on….

[@introvertedequinesamsara6593]

In some old western movies in America the horses were are treated like shit, putting trip lines for em to trip at full speed and they'd even use the horses that died as background props. Even in modern western movies I can't watch it as I can see the mistreatment of the horses.

[@char31le64]

Honestly, I wonder if Blackpink's members are really happy about the situation, of course they are having fun in Paris and other places and all, but they still are artists first (or were) and the thrive to produce/write music, release it for their fans, dancing, and performing must be really missing...

[@TMJW]

I’m glad K-nets are raising a fuss over the horse tripping incident. What a dangerous and completely unnecessary act. There are other ways to attempt these sorts of stunts (although they aren’t entirely safe either) Also worth noting: American Humane Hollywood (“No Animals Were Harmed”) is a toothless organization and Hollywood studios get away with all kinds of ugly behaviour, so here’s hoping other film industries try to do better than their pitifully low standards

[@MamaFanBTS]

I agree that the hate and condemnation being rained down on Zia is awful. Anger at what she did is understandable, but maybe people forget that every attack they make is compounded thousands of times at her end. If one person hits someone it is damaging, but if thousands do the same that person will be beaten to death!

[@largibolala2691]

SHE DOESNT DESERVE LOSING HER CAREER OVER THIS! she still worked as hard, i love her content - she was different

[@wintergarden2875]

Feel bad for my girl rosiee, she's in love with music by heart, a glimps of their documentary shows her telling that she missing her trainee days when it just around music. Another personal opinion, I like her solo more than the other girls

[@ONLYBRITTA]

I’ve given up on Blackpink. Especially after the disappointing solo track releases… I love the girls, but I’m just moving on with my life. Also. You ACTUALLY think Blackpink and BTS are the only Korean artists capable of taking a Grammy?😳 Really? Is that just because they have the most views? I’m confused…

[@jayceyallen7745]

The only ones CAPABLE. Yes. RN they are the only Korean group getting that kinda of notoriety and attention in the west. Are they the only ones making Grammy level music? Absolutely not. There are plenty of talkented artists in kpop but the western media barely recognizes BTS and has yet to give them a Grammy. Other kpop groups aren't capable of getting a Grammy without being past the level of BTS. (I say past bc BTS hasn't gotten one yet.) To win a Grammy it doesn't matter how many views you have it's about what the voters at the academy think. You have to be popular of course but the opinions are biased to Western artists.

[@zarag1621]

BTS were nominated twice. This year as well for the same category. Best group. They did win at the AMAs. Best artist,best song and best group. And as of now,a k pop group does need to go past BTS to get noticed. I don’t see any…not yet anyway

[@charstar386]

The reason BlackPink won’t get nominated for a music Grammy is bc they don’t create their own music. Both Billie and Olivia write their own music. Singer songwriters are highly respected in the US. And I don’t think they have the right style as performers (shown in their performances thus far) to get a performance nomination like BTS has right now, bc their performances are Kpop girl group dances, which aren’t looked on with much respect in the US. Don’t mean to diss. That’s just all how it is. I think their voices are great.

[@xylypotatohead3947]

Yeah. I mean BTS were only nominated after doing an English single. And they write their own music and have lots of critically acclaimed songs... Blackpinks music isn't really written by them atm and they don't have fill English songs now either. I don't think the GP in the US recognizes them enough either tbh. Idk I don't think they'll be nominated as of now

[@Ceinwyn2007]

The performances categories are not about the choreographies but about the way the artists delivers their songs. There is no categories for choreographies, Grammy are only about the music, all the genres from classic music to rap music. Idol music is not Grammy material. I don’t know why the Grammy is such a topic and a goal in Kpop now, just because BTS made it, suddenly every Kpop commentators or fans think that X group have a chance. They should focus on winning Daesangs, Grammy is out of reach for kpop idols. BTS is the exception not the norm

[@zarag1621]

@@Ceinwyn2007 exactly. BTS is the exception. Not the norm. Butt they have the power to make it the norm. First they need to freaking win one,lol

[@Ceinwyn2007]

@@zarag1621 I don’t think they have that power. If BTS ever win a Grammy doesn’t mean that kpop idols suddenly will have more chances to be nominated or win in the future. It doesn’t work that way. BTS is BTS, like I said they are the exception cause in the end of the day the Recording Academy despise boys bands and girls bands in general.

[@zosha.]

I'm so chocked about the story of the stunt horse. How... I mean like you said we're in 2022, even if you don't care about animals, you're aware that it's not okay to do this kind of stuff, especially in a public professional wolrd like filming industry. Reformed race horses are always treated like shit. In France they're killed for their meat, for not being fast enough, (even tho there's a lot of free organisation who save them to offer them a better life), witch is awfull, but being just betrayed like that when she does what she's asked to, that's just unbearable. And no one moves a nerve when she falls to her death. I'm so chocked I can't even describe how much. Each day makes me give up more on humanity.

[@kimm5313]

I like how the Nakd Seoul sweatshirt works with the green screen. 💚

[@cuearesty]

If it's between the human and the horse, I pick the horse! Animals can't complain or speak of their pain! The human can and he knew this was happening, and can brace himself for the stunt!

[@katie5920]

Humans can also sue and animals can't so that probably plays a role.

[@tiredaf807]

Blackpink were never meant to be famous. Their music and stage presence is average at best. YG did a great job overhyping them, but there's no real talent and now they don't know what to do with them

[@Random-qi3vv]

Goddamn,you were brave with this one

[@tiredaf807]

@@Random-qi3vv don't get me wrong, i even like them. I just think they were unprepared to debut and yg didn't expect them to blow up like they did. Some of their practice videos are really cringey. With some more training they would've been unstoppable. People got interested in them cause at the time there were only gg with the girl crush theme like twice, they were "hot" from day 1

[@wajeehasajad8888]

YG never even cared to promote them except for debut. What bullshit are you spittin

[@Cloudfive55]

I'm hopeful that animal welfare will get better in South Korea.

[@illgiveyouthesun]

billie and olivia actually write their own music and are involved production wise

[@stephaniexrenea]

imagine if blackpink had comebacks as often as twice or literally any other group. we'd have so much content 😭

[@MrSuperjam789]

You guys should invite Free Zia on DKDKTV and interview her. Maybe have her model merchandise for NAKD SEOUL too lol.

[@Random-qi3vv]

Idk,but why does this sound like a burn 😂🤦🏻‍♀️

[@MrSuperjam789]

@@Random-qi3vv Hahaha, I didn't mean it like that! I have no issues with her, I just want DKDKTV to get an exclusive scoop lol.

[@roselamoure]

I‘m actually very sad about the situation with Jia and I think it‘s unfair how cruel the people react to her because so many kpop idols had terrible scandals but they still have a career going and everything is fine with them and they got away with so many things but Jia didn’t even harm anyone…I know that what she did was wrong but I think Jia was an overall good person she never bullied or was bad to people (at least how far I know) and so many people cancel her for just buying fake things and even send death threads! I think that most people also jump on the hate wagon, like for example when people start bully someone etc. than other people who have no idea about it do the same just because they are followers. I hope she will not lose her career entirely and it‘s so sad that she was just at the peek of exploding now she is falling down again…

[@nerdgurl402]

Blackpink is a group with squandered potential. YG has a bad history with girl groups and I don’t see them avoiding a similar fate as their predecessors. A Grammy is just not realistic because even years into their career they are underdeveloped as artists. If you compare them to other Grammy nominated female artists, they’re just not on the same level in terms of talent, performance and artistry.