Are the PHANTOMS REAL? (FNaF) - Theory

[@Wattson19]

I may be alone on this, but i really wanted the Phantons to have more presence in this franchise. The idea of phantasmagoric versions of the animatronics haunting Michael or William sounds so cool.

[@godofe7685]

Same, always loved the idea that they weren’t just hallucinations

[@ShadowPeashooterEnjoyer]

yeah me to

[@juussivePalate]

Me too

[@mr.enderman1993]

I genuinely agree with this theory. The phantoms definitely seem like they're the MCI ghosts. Also, did you notice that the 4 main animatronics from pizzeria simulator are the only ghosts that have a presence in the later games? The plush babies in Ruin are in reference to scrap baby, the nightmarionne plushies reference the puppet (Lefty), The Blob (or Tangle) references Molten Freddy, and Burntrap references Scraptrap. These four are seemingly the only 'ghostly' characters left in the recent cannon that reference older games. The reason why I say this is because maybe the MCI kids DID move on in Fnaf 3, it would make sense with what you're saying. This would contradict with the fact that Phantom Puppet is a thing, but I like to think that she first helped the MCI kids move on and then wanted to stick around to help the rest of the vengeful spirits like the funtimes move on.

[@personismaybe0610]

I guess you could say they reference each those 4, or maybe you could even say that they MIMIC them? *Insert drum sound effect*

[@CorruptedPixels1954]

I actually had a theory similar to this when FNAF3 first came out, I never really liked the idea of them just being hallucinations, and I always had that itch in the back of my head that they were in fact the spirits of the dead children, it just made sense given the different endings and such

[@PR-YT-BB]

This is a way better theory than the phantoms being hallucinations.

[@shinyocelot04archive]

When the game first came out I thought that the phantoms were jumpscares built into the attraction for a quick spook, only for them to be a nuisance when hunting down Springtrap, Nowadays it's a bit less clear, but I feel like they're either some agony/remnant type of thing roaming Fazbear Frights since the spirits haven't had their happiest day, or they're still just hallucinations.

[@juussivePalate]

BRO ME TOO I BELIEVED THE SAME THING

[@Sivanot]

If Golden Freddy moved on from Michael's plan in Fnaf 3 though, why are they still around to UCN William? Did only BV83/Evan move on, leaving Cassidy still haunting the suit?

[@Crow-uh6mj]

Happiest day was about the Crying Child and most of the MCI victim's moving on. Likely Cassidy moved on to haunting William in his Ultimate Custom Nightmare, but still decided to mostly stick with Golden Freddie/Freadbare as a representation of them because it's what they used for so long.

[@Sivanot]

@@Crow-uh6mj Cassidy can’t have moved on. The entire point of them is that they are obsessively vengeful. This theory works only if BV83 moved on along with the MCI, and leaving Cassidy as the sole spirit haunting GF.

[@Crow-uh6mj]

@@Sivanot Yes. That's part of what I am saying.

[@哲二川上]

It seems to be that case. Not only Cassidy has Nothing to do with birthdays(which the bite victim does) but also because Happiest day its clearly a parallel of the bite of 83. Also I think that Michael be who got his brother killed in his birthday,helping the puppet to gather the children to give his lil bro the party he deserves is a pretty solid character arc narrative wise

[@fatimaalayen6097]

The fnaf 2 mci kids are the one who had their happiest day while the original mci kids didnt and became stuck in the funtimes

[@DiamondBatToons]

EDIT: I take it back, what Muted said was WAY COOLER!! Looking back on it, i wish Springtrap had spiritual minions such as the Phantoms, it would've made Afton's spirit much more of a threat

[@wafagdplqs4421]

Classic FNaF: doubting what we thought was real and what we thought was not !

[@PeterPeter20]

3:41 Bro that was SMOOTH 9:33 Ok, that actually is mind blowing, this random thing that activates Phantom Chica is actually expanded upon in FFPS... Bro, that's crazy, and i never noticed it!

[@conflictisnear]

Phantoms are watermelons.

[@an-animal-lover]

I thought that was just Chica?

[@tonysonic456]

This is a really good theory, but I would like to point out something. Golden Freddy is still around. They made Afton's personal hell in UCN, and Orville's secret death line states, "He tried to release you. He tried to release US. But I'm not going to let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here. No matter how many times they burn us." That statement is Cassidy speaking through Orville, and to be fair, they could be referring to either Michael or Henry. However, considering that Michael didn't burn the MCI kids and only tried doing that to Springtrap and their wording implies that being burnt has happened more than once, it could be a clue that Molten MCI might be true. Not saying it is. I'm just pointing that out.

[@Crow-uh6mj]

This is a good theory, but there is only one problem that you did not mention, nobody attacks on night 1. If the box of parts in the office (and potentially the other parts/memorabilia scatter across the location) is the cause of the phantoms then why don't they show up night 1? Aside from this and the BB/Bonnie issue this is a solid theory and defiantly should be concerted.

[@TrixterTheFemboy]

Maybe they needed an actual animatronic suit moving around in the building in order to realize they should be active?

[@tinaherr3856]

​@@TrixterTheFemboythat would [maybe] only work if they were physical animitronics. I'd they were pure spirits, they wouldn't necessarily have to become active if an animitronic moves around. They could still exist without a moving robot.

[@TrixterTheFemboy]

​@tinaherr3856 I know they'd still exist, I mean more that they wouldn't see any reason to do anything unless they saw an animatronic? Though I acknowledge it's a stretch

[@24Ippo]

Because that's night 1 and Springtrap hasn't showed up yet. they get on high alert after they brought them.

[@exode7414]

That's something I've thought of the puppet to glad I'm not the only one that thinks the real puppet is in FNAF 3

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

Are we sure we play as Michael in FNAF3? The fanbase has convinced themselves that we play as Michael in 1 to 3, but... there's no evidence. People bring up the security guard being fired for "odor" to be proof that it's Michael as a zombie, but to me it seems like it was just Scott trying to be funny.

[@Daisy-mb8kt]

This theory, I whole heartedly believe. I have never bought into Molten MCI. While FNAF three might not have been the best Springtrap ending, it was by far the best and most satisfying ending for the original mci kids. This theory is able to take how I feel and make it make sense with fact and not just feeling. Amazing.

[@tksm97]

This is a really interesting theory!! it’s not necessarily what i believe, but still very cool!! my understanding of the phantoms has always been that, due to seeing William, Michael is having a stress induced psychotic episode. that’s just my very biased reading since i have schizophrenia, but it explains their hallucinatory / intangible nature, why the phantoms are only in FNAF 3, and is definitely the most in line with occam’s razor. This is still really interesting though!!

[@KissYaHomiesGoodnight]

If Michael is the playable character in fnaf6, then why wouldn't he get these hallucinations when he's literally sitting across the table from Springtrap?

[@Pygargue00fr]

I can't believe we finally went back to "the phantoms are the ghosts" 8 years after fnar 3's release. That was the one and only conclusion back then, and most likely the truth.

[@krackkokichi]

this is a really interesting theory! i don't agree for a number of reasons, many of which have been listed in other comments, but one that i have to address is the shaky connection between the minigames and the phantoms. toy chica for chica is fine, and fredbear for freddy is kinda stretching it, but what about the presence of rwqfsfasxc? i guess you could say that his lack of a phantom is connected to his ability to glitch through the other minigames, but im not convinced. regardless, this is a fresh perspective and great video!

[@porcelainchips6061]

FNAF World and UCN are connected - We see at the end of "follow me" that springtrap is sealed into a safe room with three arcade cabinets. What if two of them are FNAF World, UCN and the third is Happiest Day. FNAF World is heavily centered around the idea of "putting the pieces in place" for Happiest Day to happen. UCN has Old Man Consequences. What if the "flipside" is the tunnel that connects these games together and when we see Old Man Consequences in UCN it is literally that character from the FNAF World end of the tunnel, deep in the code, telling the bear-character to stop doing UCN and leave the bad guy to his demons? Then, UCN ends; Cassidy lets Afton go or Phone Dude physically lifts Afton out of the room and re-locates him to Fazbear Frights... Then, with the pieces in place and the arcade machines now also there at Frights, happiest day can happen? And what if it really does work? But Afton always comes back; he regenerates from the fire eventually (like how Mike collapsed in SL and then stood back up now transformed into a purple man) but is more in control of himself with Cassidy gone and his flesh more "restored" (notice it's more rotted in FNAF3 and in FNAF6 looks more red/has bloodflow)? I think the difference in Springtrap's behavior is not inconsistent; it evolves with how the character is affected by what happens. I agree that if Molten MCI isn't true then the end of FNAF3 and FNAF6 are not in conflict with each other. I think a common problem is that people both acknowledge the games are not released in chronological order, but also forget that and forget that the minigames are often taking place in different periods of time then the gameplay sections. I think, as a last bit, the reason why Henry was able to show us that image of Give Gifts Give Life is that data is being recorded and stored somewhere in the world; Help Wanted emphasizes the idea that data can be pulled from the old circuit boards and then read by normal (not ghost) humans. I really think the mini games across the series are not "imaginary" but are "real" and "stored" somewhere; maybe the robots being haunted means the memories of the ghosts become abstracted, gamified summaries of things; maybe they become more simplified, symbolic versions of what really happened. I just feel like the minigames existing just gets handwaved as the cinematics of a video game, but I really do think they are a more literal part of the FNAF universe.

[@an-animal-lover]

I like the theory for the most part, seems plausible enough and a satisfying answer, like most of your theories (in my opinion). 8:47 this is my small issue with it though, one i havent seen others mention so i feel ok to leave this here. If leftover Remnant from the original animatronics accounts for the "toy phantoms" (BB, Mangle), why are Toy Freddy, Bonnie and Chica not among them?

[@KissYaHomiesGoodnight]

Because their suits were simply never found by the Fazbear Fright workers. And if they're possessed with spirits of thebDCI kids, then that could also explain why BB and mangle have phantoms

[@24Ippo]

I agree with most of it EXCEPT Golden Freddy, we haven't seen it in SC because Cassidy's objective is to torment William so why would GF haunt anyone else but him, personally, I think GF (or should i say Fredbear) is still around but in its physical form not the spiritual one. If the UCM is basically Dante's Inferno then is just a cage built for William meaning they're still around

[@Pygargue00fr]

Regarding the bodies of the childrens, there are issues and inconsitancies reguarding them: In fnaf 2 Phoneguy says this in regards to the withered. "They're just too ugly you know... and the smell" What this might imply is that the real Fasbear Untertainment decided to not upgrade the Withered animatronics for the 87 location (as Phoneguy says, they started retrofitting them with new technology, and the only two new tech we hear about is advanced mobility, wich means that the animatronics supposedly couldn't walk before, and the facialrecognitionsystem.) is that the company found the rotting bodies and disposed of them somewhere, the news articles from fnaf 1 explains that the 85 location closed down due to sanitary reasons reguarding blood and mucus comming from the animatronics after all, so Fasbear Untertainment clearly found them, wich is why the ghosts of the kids never found them. Another issue is that we know William murdered five more kids at the 87 location, and it couldn't be the five first victims because the Puppet is leading Freddy, Gabriel, to William and stop him. Implying that thoses five new kids became the toys. But wait! There's more! William dosn't stuff thoses new kids. He just lays them down and moves out. So... who did it? It's the puppet, as implied in fnaf 2. One thing people tend to forget is that the first time William is implied to have stuffed the bodies of the kids is in the first Silver eyes book (who by the way, might have originaly been conceived as a standalone book instead of a trilogie, hence why it dosn't really fit with the other two.) So.... it has to be the puppet, giving them the gift of live to obtain revenge and finally be free.

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

The only thing wrong with this is saying Golden Freddy is set free when they are still active and haunt William

[@BasementDweller_]

My personal theory for years was that Springtrap has so much dark energy from containing an evil Spirt of the Freddy’s child murderer that he causes the phantoms to manifest. Then when remnant and agony were a thing I saw Springtrap Like a conduit. So his presence being near a Freddy’s memorabilia causes these phantoms to spawn.

[@kyr58]

Awesome theory, very reasonable!

[@personismaybe0610]

This is a really good theory, but it faces the same problem as previous explanations for the phantoms. Why are they all burnt? The only explanation for this that I’ve seen is from Matpat, and I don’t really think it’s true. The other explanation is that it’s foreshadowing for what’s going to happen, but with this theory that would imply that the ghosts are familiar with the FNaF 3 fire before it happened. Apart from that it’s an amazing theory, and extremely well made.

[@dmuted]

Are they burnt, or just spooky looking? I think that comes down to interpretation.

[@tinaherr3856]

​​​​​@@dmutedI mean, the Character Encyclopedia, despite it's inaccuracies, points out *multiple times* that the Phantoms appear burned. If it was just an one-off thing, you could pass it off as a mistake. But the fact that that detail was pointed out multiple times throughout different entries raises some alarm bells. Personally, I think that the Phantoms are being formed from Agony, and were roused by Springtrap, the cause of the Agony. While Mat Pat isn't always right, I agree that there may have been unseen fires at previous locations, which is why the Phantoms appeared burned. Because I don't think burning is all that pleasant

[@tinaherr3856]

@@lpfan4491 It just raised some alarm bells for me. I know it can still ge accurate, but a detail repeated multiple times has a lower chance of being inaccurate than a random line for a single character (for example, Helpy). Going by pure probability, my chances are higher, even if not 100%

[@personismaybe0610]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@dmutedlook pretty burnt to me ngl. Also @tinaherr3856 does make a pretty good point about the designs of the phantoms.

[@jrloulanza6534]

We don't play as Michael Afton in FNAF 3 because he is a decomposing body can't go out but we do play as him as the completion manager because the FNAF 6 pizzeria was William Afton's private property before Henry bought it that and it's also conveniently next to his house.

[@Greycatuk]

I’m wondering if the spirits realize what their bodies look like (given they’re still kids in their minds), but your theory is still valid if they acting on instinct - as ghosts are said to do.

[@qualitytimewithted5160]

Isn't there a Frights book based on Fnaf3 that has phantoms in it? Wouldn't that disprove this theory (even if it isn't cannon, the rules should still apply). As for why it doesn't happen with Scraptrap... either game design issues (phantoms wouldn't work well in Pizza Sim) or Afton switching suits removed his phantom powers. Also, Henry's Insanity speech does disprove the idea about MCI kids moving on in Fnaf3, since he says something like "they'll never find rest now, not like this," implying that they're still around

[@dmuted]

Henry could very easily be talking about any of the other many dead kids, one Frights story does not disprove the theory due to that series having weird continuity, Scraptrap issues are kinda just cope.

[@qualitytimewithted5160]

@@dmuted I'll admit, my Scraptrap point is hazy, and I personally don't believe frights is cannon, but the phantoms being agony seems like the cleanest solution IMO. Also, Henry is most definitely talking about the MCI in the insanity ending. Most of the speech is about Follow Me, which involved the MCI kids. Also he says they're in prisons of his making, so it pretty much has to be the original band (you could argue he's talking about the toys, though we don't know if Henry made those and we never see those kids after Fnaf2)

[@doriangrey1961]

@@dmuted With this theory one big problem - if MoltenMCI didn't happen, then why did William disassemble the animatronics? I didn't hear anywhere theory with good motive to do that, except MoltenMCI.

[@sirverre4291]

Great video. I thought since the beginning that the phantoms must be real and can't be just hallucinations. One think that bugs me is happiest day because puppet rest there also with the other mcis. So i belive that all Minigames in FNaF (expected HD) make the souls rest, but they are still waiting passivly for Charlie and Cassidy to rest. In conclusion, the good ending is cannon, but happiest day is not part of it. It is probably the very last scene if fnaf

[@jrloulanza6534]

Every ending in FNAF 6 pizzeria simulator is canon but they represent a different manager that got fired before Michael Afton these previous managers were fired for various reasons including but not limited to going bankrupt, being too lazy, listening to Henry's plan from the egg doll archive, cowardice of not salvaging the animatronics, and getting the place sued then getting blacklisted you see every FNAF 6 pizzeria simulator ending is canon to the FNAF universe but the endings represent a different manager because it just makes more sense that the what if scenario which just doesn't make sense.

[@silentsnoop1899]

Great theory, and you've brought up a lot of good points. However there are a couple of crucial points that you've missed: 1. The Phantoms' tagline in their respective FNAF3 teaser is "It's all in your mind." 2. What We Found gives more complicated explanation than just Springtrap's agony giving him superpowers. The big part of Granny Foster's explanation is... the smell. She actually gives multiple reasons for why the Phantoms aren't in FFPS. The Phantoms are a combination of Springtrap's "putrid smell" and all the relics around the building (shells, parts and such. They're charged with agony of the past tragedies). As Granny says, "fire purges, fire heals." Springtrap was badly damaged in the FF fire, and combined with lack of agonized parts in FFPS, he lost his ability to manifest the Phantoms. The explanation given can feel contrived, because it is. People hated the Phantoms, and often brought them up as the main criticism of FNAF3. If Scott wanted to bring back Springtrap later, but without the Phantoms, he'd have to invent an explanation for why they aren't there. WWF is what he went with. 3. Good ending simply being canon to FNAF3 contradicts Scott's statement about it. In Dawko's interview he said that the answer to which FNAF3 ending is canon is very interesting, very complex, but would cause strife in the community. And for a couple of less related points: Phone Guy in the tapes refers to the rooms boarded up back in 1985, after the MCI. Afton dismantled the animatronics after FNAF1, and accidentally locked himself in. False walls over the doorframes can be opened up from outside, by pushing in. But because they don't have handles, they can't be opened from inside the room. This isn't the video on MoltenMCI, so I won't go into it much. MoltenMCI doesn't just rely on Molten Freddy blueprint specifying him having a lot of remnant. Henry in his Insanity speech says that the spirits from Follow Me were humiliated, brought together and set to a new purpose. He questions if they're still aware or not, and says the he needs to call them back. The Follow Me spirits are the MCI, hence MoltenMCI. Furthermore, Henry's speech is referenced in TFC. When Afton injects the Funtimes with the MCI remnant, he says that he "sets them to a greater purpose". The Funtimes being haunted by the kids they murder makes the scooper redundant, as It's meant to inject remnant into them. It's remnant injector, not extractor, "creation of ulterior presence." Without MoltenMCI, there should be no remnant in there. We do see Golden Freddy after FNAF3 in UCN. "He tried to release you. He tried to release us. But I'm not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here. No matter how many times they burn us.” He glued himself to Afton, to torment him, and also referenced being in the Pizza Sim fire.

[@personismaybe0610]

The only point I personally disagree with is ‘Golden Freddy existing after FNaF 3 disproves the theory’. I think it’s commonly accepted that there are two spirits in Golden Freddy, which explains why that character is very different from the main 4. The happiest day minigame from FNaF 3, has a lot of parallels to Fredbear’s Family Diner from FNaF 4. It seems very likely that Golden Freddy existing after 3 is because one spirit within Golden Freddy moved on, while the other remains to torture Afton.

[@jrloulanza6534]

The reason why Scraptrap can't have the phantom animatronics is because they're their own entities that are actually poltergeists similar to Peeves from Harry Potter.

[@sparx6766]

I really like this theory. This is an answer as to how Michael sees phantom BB, puppet, and mangle. I do have some questions though. 1. (unrelated to video) when did afton destroy the fnaf 1 characters and put their remnant in the funtimes if it wasn't after fnaf 1? 2. How come there is no phantom bonnie, or phantom toy bonnie/chica/freddy? Are only some of the phantoms portraying themselves as phantoms? Or is there a different solution? 3. Where was the puppet during fnaf 1 and in between fnaf 1 and 3? And I do agree with why you don't believe in MoltenMCI, but riddle me this. If MoltenMCI isn't true, then how come 1, we see the gravestones specifically after the completion ending, and 2, in UCN, Orville says "He tried to release you, he tried to release us, but I won't let that happen. I will hold you here, I will keep you here, no matter how many times they burn us". This is obviously Cassidy talking to Afton through Orville but why would she mention being burned? And why would she say "he" tried to release "us"? This has to be referring to Henry trying to release Afton along with Cassidy and the other souls/remnant within molten freddy.

[@dmuted]

1. He took them apart before fnaf 1, died, and the animatronics were put back together by staff. He did not take their remnant to put into the funtimes. The funtimes remnant is likely because Afton Robotics was actively renting them out from Circus Baby's rental service to kill kids. 2. As I said in this video, the real world reason is likely because Scott did not want to confuse players between Phantom Bonnie and Springtrap. The in universe reason is unknown, and he could simply just not want to show up. 3. I really don't know. 4. Because its the end of the series. 5. In reference to FNaF 3's ending. Molten MCI has too many holes in it for me to believe it, especially when there's no strong connection between the fnaf 1 cast and the Funtimes. Using the Mediocre Melodies as evidence also ignores FNaF 3 happening, where another fire took place, and kind of what this whole video was about.

[@sparx6766]

@dmuted I agree with everything you've mentioned thus far. And I did some thinking, the theory I have come too is the phantoms are manifestations of the agony of the dead kids (CC and the MCI kids an POTENTIALLY the DCI kids as well), which possesses the suits that are in fnaf 3, while their remnant possesses the funtimes and the reason they only show up when afton is around is they are potentially trying to let Michael know they're still there. Cassidy would be the only missing from that theory, but I have an idea for her too, when afton destroyed the GF suit, Cassidy may have attached herself to afton as soon as he died, keeping him alive. We know Cassidy has this power cause UCN exists. I know I'm really holding onto the MolteMCI theory but I feel like this theory is the best of both words. It explains the phantoms, explains Cassidy's lack of appearances throughout most of the games (cause she's keeping afton alive), and also answers that Cassidy was involved in both the fnaf 3 and 6 fire, and why Orville says "no matter how many times they burn us". Also thank you for responding to my comment

[@sparx6766]

@dmuted also regarding the first thing you said, does this mean that ID'S Fantasy was right? Her theory was the withereds did not go directly from withered to fnaf 1 animatronics, they were simply repaired, then afton broke them before fnaf 1. THEN the staff fixed the broken animatronics and then those became the fnaf 1 cast?

[@SecondBestArtMuseum]

I like it, but just like with all theories, Balloon Boy screws it up. If we're saying that the animatronics are all haunted, then who is hating Balloon boy? I personally like the theory that the Toys aren't possessed, they're all just malfunctioning. Only the original cast and the Puppet are possessed in the game and the rest are just scary robots.

[@KissYaHomiesGoodnight]

What about the DCI kids? 5 dead kids, 5 toys. Toy Freddy, Chica, Bonnie, Mangle, and BB

[@SecondBestArtMuseum]

@@KissYaHomiesGoodnight that’s if you think the dead bodies in the FNAF 2 mini games are a separate group of kids. I used to think that until somebody pointed out that most of the mini games in that game aren’t literal interpretations of the events, and are more so symbolic. Like, Toy Chica delivering cakes to kids, she didn’t do platforming to feed them, but she did feed kids. Mangle put themselves back together, but again, probably didn’t do platforming to grab a leg. I think the dead bodies are more symbolic, like the death of the 5 kids still lingers on. Also, the games have always focused on 5-7 kids. Having another 5 added on without any more hints outside of FNAF 2 feels weird. “5 kids were murdered… oh, and another 5 were also murdered but we don’t really talk about them.”

[@customsffny]

I really liked this theory because it explains the phantoms and I didn't really like the UCI molten theory

[@theclown2257]

Funny thing about this theory. There was an old fan comic called 'springaling' that came out years before we we're introduced to remnant or agony as concepts in the series. I think the most recent game was ether fnaf 4 or fnaf world when the comic started, so we didn't even know about the name 'afton' yet. That old comic implied that phantoms we're just the dead kids that hadn't moved on yet because happiest day probably doesn't take place until after fnaf 3 was over. I really liked the idea but like most things in the comic i didn't think it could actually be canon. It looks like all these years later it might have been right all along.

[@paperfadora7709]

So I think your theory is really cool and I agree that the good ending is canon, but I think in that ending golden Freddy isn't there, so Cassidy can still be there in UCN. In the bad ending we see all the animatronic heads and golden Freddy in the back, the OG animatronics have 1 eye lit up, supposedly because only one soul is possessing them, and golden Freddy has 2 eyes lit up because Cassidy and the crying child are in there. I think that golden Freddy isn't even in the good ending screen, you can only see him when his eyes are lit up. I guess it could be the crying child moving on with the happiest day mini-game, but wouldn't we still see one eye lit up for Cassidy?

[@azimuddin1890]

I say no, and yee, and the comment below me say they’re watermelon which is fact.

[@PatTheFox]

I have thought that the phantoms are ghosts for a looooong time,and it bothered me everyone is ignoring it. I do agree that the good ending is canon and molten mci is boring and eliminates the whole character of Ennard. I have a bonus theory I made like 5-6 years ago. In the ffps Lefty rare screen,you can see that the puppet inside isn't the fnaf 2 one,but the security puppet. If Phantom Puppet possesed the security puppet,it would explain why its eyes are lit up green!

[@sirbreadthe1st]

I already found the phantoms awesome, but now they are way more interesting

[@fatimaalayen6097]

Well the toys are actually haunted by a second mci while the withereds are haunted by the first mci while a box of the toy's parts are infront of you so the ghosts haunting you in fnaf 3 are not hallucinations they are the fnaf 2 spirits while the withered spirits is in sister location.and also the second mci kids was set free after fnaf 3 by the help of the puppet and cassidy confirmed by fnaf world and not only the second mci kids were set free but also the crying child.and now this makes sense.and the reason they are really trying to hunt you down and help springtrap is that they also recognize you as afton because you became purple after fnaf 5.

[@dmuted]

Prove it

[@0clectmovie781]

So when’s our FNAF 2 story that explains why the puppet attempts to attack Jeremey Fitzgerald even though she’s VERY AWARE? If I were given the chance to ask Scott Cawthan ONE and only ONE question it would definitely be this.

[@smt64productions40]

I do have an idea, a strange idea that she became aware by the end of FNaF 2, and we know she is atleast been in the FNaF 1 location in the FNaF 2 cutscenes, and while yes, she wasn’t in FNaF 1, but this could be a lore thing, by FNaF 1, she became aware and remember, she was trap in Lefty who seems janky

[@anubion42]

My only issue is the good ending being cannon. Or at least the first ending at happens. Specifically because if G. Freddy was resting post fnaf 3, then UCN shouldn’t happen. G. Freddy is who’s keeping afton there. Otherwise I can agree. If someone the bad ending happens, Fnaf 4-UNC then the fnaf 3 good ending then I’m on board. But I don’t see how the good ending can happen before UCN

[@joshuavis2736]

If you believe crying child is also in golden freddy then him being in happiest day means cassidy can still go around for ucn

[@anubion42]

@@joshuavis2736 that’s right. I hadn’t thought of that. 2 in 1. Fair enough. Then my only issue is M. Freddy not being the MCI. I never got that. Largely due to the line of “taking everything from them, again” but that’s another convo for another day. I don’t think to much clashes there thanks to remnant. Something something original 5 become the fun times through remnant and bam, M. Fred. But it makes sense if the souls/ghosts and remnant are separate things. Souls can be phantoms while the remnant/agony brings life to enard/M. Fred.

[@joshuavis2736]

@@anubion42 oh man yea i have no idea where i stand with molten mci. Thats just a massive pile of wires im not willing to search through. Regardless i think it requires a lot of confusing potentially contradictory lore to come up with just one answer

[@anubion42]

@@joshuavis2736 oh most definitely. To me. The original five being melted down into the funtimes, and then into mfred is the simplest option and I’m sticking with it. Remnant made the lore weird to begin with so I’m not even looking for a perfect answer. This series ain’t built for that lmao. I do miss the days of just haunted robots. I don’t bother with SB. Series ends at ucn for me. The new games are their own beasts lmao. Wanna talk about a bundle of wires. I gesture to the blob.

[@joshuavis2736]

@@anubion42 even that is complicated because of all the soul splitting and all those chenanagins. I respect sticking to that belief though since its very well justified. Whenever i think of how complicated the story is now, i think back to the self contained story that is fnaf 1-3 which is great. Sometimes fnaf 1-4 if im feeling particulary complicated. I just wish everything until ucn was settled so that way we have some closure moving forward into what could very well be its own seperate story

[@exode7414]

I actually believe the puppet we see in FNAF 3 is the actual puppet before pizza sim. One thing that proves it is that FNAF 3 puppet doesn't jumpscares you.

[@Johannes.Spinnenschreck]

I do not think the good ending of FNaF 3 is canon, otherwise the Puppet should have been freed there as well. I do however think that the fire might have freed them, which would explain why they aren't present in Pizza Sim, when the Puppet is.

[@sparx6766]

If remnant needs flesh in order to be remnant, then doesnt that technically confirm there is no DCI?

[@levihuerta8279]

But, Golden Freddy is seen in UCN. Could it be that The Crying Child moved on but Cassidy didn't?

[@valviform]

No, no, he's got a point.

[@josuawhite2209]

The answer you miss is Foxy Go Go Go

[@dmuted]

Foxy Go Go Go is in FNaF 2, not 3.

[@shantishan1172]

I dont get why there's a "real" puppet and a separate puppet mask on the wall, like, if thats her remainings why is there another puppet.

[@jrloulanza6534]

Okay they're poltergeists created by William Afton similar to Peeves from Harry Potter.

[@jrloulanza6534]

Also a decomposing body isn't allowed to be in an amusement park.

[@monstrdog7031]

I always thought that the phantoms were hallucinations brought on by the spirits, still in their withered parts around the building and whats oeft of the toys. And wouldnt they have found their bodies if puppet guided them to them? Doesnt mean theyd have to move on. Molten mci can still, partially, be true if its remnant from the scrapped toys, and depending on if willy had time to take remnant back or if follow me was in one night

[@terrantitanium6441]

TFC actually came out after FFPS kek

[@ikaiju-eu9wn]

if toys are posessed by withered's remnant then why does save them exist?

[@NIGHT-GAURD]

Can I do a response video to this

[@exode7414]

Foxy and mangle ain't the same spirit in my opinion I think there separate from one another.

[@exode7414]

I would believe you're theory but I don't I mean it's possible and I'm keeping an open mind but I would hate if mangle and foxy were the same spirit and I don't believe they would be.

[@CELTech-co3nb]

what about golden freddy in ucn? And are the other animatronics in ucn the real deal or recreation?

[@epictom3423]

Epic

[@IRSIssb]

I do like this theory but one of the main points of evidence for MoltenMCI is the candy cadet stories. If they're not talking about it then what are they trying to say? Also I could be wrong as I haven't fully read it, but doesn't What We Found suggest that Springtrap has some connection to the phantoms? In any case I really enjoyed the video!

[@dmuted]

The connection between the Candy Cadet stories and Molten Freddy has always been looser than loose at best, I don't believe it at all.

[@smt64productions40]

@@dmutedIt how I felt for MoltenMCI, the only good explanation for MoltenMCI I seen is MoltenMCI Alter-S, suggested by Sire Squawks

[@megan1785]

💛

[@thesullster4859]

First viewer W

[@fderh]

ah

[@altaccount9226]

No

[@PatTheFox]

Uhhh yt deleated my comment so in short Hey,Dmuted,I've been trying to become a small youtube channel about fnaf and other games. My videos massivly improved but these good videos get like 30 views while my old cringe animations get 130. Is there any advice you can give?

[@primozeroyt]

1,000th like wooooo!!