DnD PvP Over A Misunderstanding | r/rpghorrorstories

[@AntisocialclubSJ]

OP in the first post is definitely NTA. They tried to clarify about the in/out of character comment they got from the Warlock out of character so they could be sure there wasn’t any irl issues. Warlock and Rogue got pissy because of reasons? Then proceeds to break the rules of a dual that was caused by their “awesome rp set up.” Warlock’s set up was to insult and disrespect a party member which led to a dual which they proceeded to lose and then get shitty about. Idk, seems cut and dry to me as a DM and player.

[@zacharysieg2305]

“You’re a bad player; you ruined my RP setup by being uncomfortable.” My bad, brb purging myself of all human emotion so I don’t step on your toes apparently. Man warlock is so full of it.

[@marybdrake1472]

Very much so.

[@Denkono]

A typical day in the court of Ivan the Terrible in his later years.

[@zacharysieg2305]

@@Denkono sounds like a history joke I need to look into later~

[@iank472]

Warlock clearly had some issue with OP. Instead of discussing it like an adult Warlock hid behind "let's solve this in game!". Warlock then got his sh*t rocked in game and couldn't take losing so he and his little henchmen Rogue left. OP dodged a bullet when those two clowns left.

[@cocaroto9650]

Warlock and Rouge had an agenda clearly based on their actions, they wanted all the smoke, but dove into a fire.

[@darby2314]

It sounds like Warlock got upset because OP was interacting with Rogue. First they had an RP session, then OP got the "hero moment". So Warlock was feeling jelly and acted poorly "in character".

[@Michaeljack81sk]

I can't agree, Warlock and Rogue seemed to be so into each other that they were playing their own game and saw the rest of the party as ancillary to "their story" While Warlock's "kill you like the rat you are" remark could have been just RP he had no reason to act that way toward OP is just plain bullying and possibly the players true personality coming out and the demand of PVP just reinforces that, Warlock was pretty sure he could kill OP 1v1 I can't see OP being the asshole in this case, Warlock got what was coming to him

[@sylveadiff2813]

Aye, this is why a huge part of playing antagonistic characters is being ready and willing to communicate politely out of character. Huge part of playing lycans, glamour bards and repositioning-heavy fighters, too! It's completely reasonable for either side to bring up "hey, I'm uncomfortable with this, can I know the context?" or share concerns as to whether it's a fully IC issue or not, and I'd even argue it's only polite to do so.

[@randomschlip3715]

I can only assume motivation on certain parties, but I think warlock was legitimately angry when he disconnected suddenly. Then, after realizing there was an issue, he did NOTHING to correct this. A simple "hey man, that was all character stuff. I'm sorry I upset you. I do like playing with you." Would have solved the issue.

[@rynowatcher]

Kind of the tricky bit with this one is that there is clearly at least one miscommunication, so it kind of brings into doubt if there are more. OP might not be purposefully lying, but their perspective constantly assumes the worse of warlock, which is kind of disproven by the duel: if warlock and rogue wanted to kill op's character, they could have rerolled a new one specifically designed to kill op's build and just did it (this is the topic of a lot of horror stories). They left the group without seeking revenge and were not kicked, so it kind of makes me doubt warlock was as petty as op believes. I like it when you get different people's perspectives on a game (horror story or not) because a lot of times players miss large portions of what other people are going on, and the other players would give a lot of insight to this one.

[@rb98769]

Warlock comes across as a baby, and we might be lacking context here to be honest. I just don't agree with OP's decision to offer a duel as that only makes things worse for the group. Honestly the duel option feels just as nonsensical as Warlock raging over that fight. It was clearly done over OOC grievances which is just terrible altogether.

[@rynowatcher]

@@rb98769 yeah, this one does not pass the sniff test on a lot of levels. I kind of felt it was sus that everyone is on board with this duel, no one objects to op breaking rules, no one objects to warlock breaking rules, and op winning hands down without getting any damage. Also a bit sus as op could end the fight with warlock by declaring the damage non-lethal and requiring them to spend an hour unconcous without a way to start a fight till they got up. They also gloss over the two players leaving. Those two players were chatting with the rest of the group; seems odd that they take their stuff and leave based on this side of the story.

[@rb98769]

@@rynowatcher I have the feeling that there was some underlying desire to fracture the group already and the players just wanted some excuse to get it done. Possibly the DM and fighter were silently on OP's side because Warlock and Rogue sound like they are a pain to RP with, but it's just hard to tell without context. I've seen similar stuff happen in online tabletop groups before. There was a glaring lack of some mediator figure in this story (in DM or fighter) so it's just a bit weird. I mean I really don't see this group staying together after that duel even if warlock had somehow won. The duel option pretty much seals the deal.

[@rynowatcher]

@@rb98769 generally, I see the dm bias towards op in interpretation of rules; both game mechanics and rules of the duel. A rogue would depend on them getting advantage to use sneak attack, and they have one of the only ways to do that in their pocket in the context of a duel while taking away flight (presumably the warlocks advantage). The friendly rogue also took two rounds to act while the fighter was able to interpose immediately. Like I said, seems sus.

[@harlequeenchannel]

First story, OP is not the AH - yes, in-character fighting can exist, and maybe Warlock is playing his character Like That, but the minute a person says "hey, that moment in role play made me uncomfortable", then you apologize. No ifs ands or buts: roleplaying isn't worth hurting someone's IRL feelings

[@Mask0fFate]

Gonna have to agree with the comment section, I don’t think OP in the first story was an a-hole. Clearly Warlock was trying to spotlight hog and power trip, while Rogue was his little cheerleader. The instant OP messed with that fantasy, he targeted him, and Rogue backed him up when OP sensed hostility and brought it out of character. Then, when they told him to settle it in-character, OP did and they still tried to power-trip on him, and even went as far as to break the rules of their duel to try and get a victory. Then, when they inevitably lose, they get pissy and leave just because things didn’t go their way (and like OP said, while they broke the rules too, at that point, Warlock and Rogue were showing clear hostile intent and broke them already, so I don’t blame them for doing what they did). So, I think OP is not the a-hole, or an a-hole, period.

[@EternaMidnight]

Exactly...

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

I was listening to this during work so didn't get a chance to comment but glad to see I didn't need to because I was just flabbergasted at the logic doge was operating under.

[@josephfreitag568]

I kinda disagree on the first story. Maybe OP didn’t handle it well, but it seemed like Warlock and Rogue were sort of playing their own game and excluding the others out of the game in a sense, and didn’t take kindly to the op in showing them up. And even if they were just role playing, op felt uncomfortable with it which is a good enough reason to not continue it and maybe discuss it above table. And they showed their true colors in the duel when they broke the rules of the duel because it didn’t go their way. Maybe op could’ve handled it better but the warlock and rogue seem like they are just awful to play with.

[@monikasernek1177]

Same. I found it weird that warlock started calling op an rat and not wanting him in the party - specially when it's not a fight heavy one (because wasn't fighting the right way also an issue warlock had).

[@CooperAATE]

Nailed it

[@Wraithspartan]

I would, however, argue that OP outright killing Warlock in the duel instead of just dropping him did nothing to deescalate the situation. That doesn't excuse Warlock and Rogue "cheating", especially since Rogue IC should still have OP's lifesaving action in mind.

[@WillyNilly504]

​​@@WraithspartanAs OP explained, he likely would have gotten him back up but Rogue attacked and broke duel rules which means it's just a 2 v 1 fight. At that point it was Warlock's fault for breaking the duel rules. Besides, they seem like the type to attack again when the OP least expects it. They weren't even honorable in the duel.

[@josephfreitag568]

@@Wraithspartan true, though I understand why he did it as dnddoge explained in the video in his thoughts. Doesn’t mean it was right, but that doesn’t erase rogues and warlocks behavior either.

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

Yeah, no. You’re wrong here Doge. The moment Warlock left the chat in story one without a word or explanation, that’s when Warlock made it impossible to figure out wether it was an in or out of character problem. A misunderstanding that Warlock turned into a massive problem.

[@Juju2927]

Agreeing on that. Quitting without a word OOC after such a 'threat' sounds like a moment of 'bleeding' from Warlock. Like he felt annoyed about being counter-argued with, and decided to have his character throw the threat to avoid accountability before leaving to calm down.

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

@@Juju2927 exactly.

[@AwkwardSchism]

I disagree .I think OP handled it incredibly poorly. Everyone sucks in this instant.

[@kannakamui9584]

@@AwkwardSchismseeing as OP didn’t lash out over it and tried to communicate. This pov makes no logical damn sense

[@marybdrake1472]

Warlock's actions are definitely not in the clear here, and then going out of their way to blatantly break the rules like that, that's pathetic. Crying about losing the fight you started is not a good thing.

[@auroragarden1475]

Story 1. Guard: "name occupation and reason for visiting waterdeep?" Rogue: "Stab cuttington, criminal, and crime!" Guard: "what?" Cleric: "this is not what i meant when j said you should be more honest with people" No this isnt original but its funny

[@PsychotoasterProd]

That whole damn table needs to put Big Boy pants on. They needed to sit down, talk about everything and settle it waaaaay out of character.

[@CallMeQuacker]

I gotta say, in regards to story 1, i find I super amusing when someone (typically talks up thier character/their OP-ness) challenges the character that excels at single target damage. Like "oh no, how is it fair that my squishy, fireball wizard lost to the assassin rougue". (Just a general example)

[@vampire9545]

Rogue was an ah too? What? Feeling uncomfortable is an AH move?

[@fred_derf]

I'll also lay odds that there is some romantic connection, IRL, between Warlock and Rogue, and Warlock didn't like that you (OP) were "getting the spotlight" by acquiring potions etc. and "making him look bad". They wanted to be "the man" (in front of the Rogue) and you were taking that away from them.

[@Creshosk]

Absolutely. Rogue was also willing to break the rules of the duel to attack the one who saved her life, and then left at the same time warlock did?

[@rb98769]

Yeah, I got those vibes from the story as well.

[@iank472]

Regarding the Evil Character story: it's not that hard to play an evil character in DnD. All you have to remember is that you are in a cooperative, group game and act like it! Wanna steal? Great! Just don't steal from party members! Wanna murder folks? Fantastic! Do so well out of view of the Lawful Good Oath of Vengence Paladin! My point is be as evil as you please, just don't spoil the game for anyone else in the group doing so.

[@rb98769]

It comes down to one thing a lot of bad evil PC players don't understand: If you're more trouble than you're worth, the group has no reason to keep you around. And chances are that the DM didn't sign up for private sessions either. So at that point it's just good-bye to that character.

[@AvatAR42420]

It is rare for me to disagree with Doge, but Warlock was the problem here. The OP TRIED to talk about this above table, but the Warlock complained that he was a bad roleplayer because he did not take his character's irrational hostility completely in character and tried to take it above table by telling the warlock player that he felt uncomfortable and targeted. As for what happened in the duel, that was totally on Warlock and Rogue for breaking the rules of the duel and escalating it. Warlock and Rogue were focused on their own connection and did not want to cultivate a positive relationship with Soulknife and Fighter. Them leaving was probably the best outcome. Characters don't always have to be rational, but at least as OP tells it, Warlock had no reason to be so hostile. Maybe OP is leaving something out, but that is pure speculation.

[@s4dpolarbear336]

Agree

[@illiwd]

My opinion is that warlock Was wrong from the jump. Especially with it all being text based, OP did try to avoid misconstruing what warlock wrote didnt make a lock of sense. OP kept it in game, and as a DM recording his concerns above table instead of being hostile in game is preferred for me. Idk, I think warlock and rogue either had their idea of how OP should be playing, had main character syndrome, or were meta gaming-- as evidenced by the backhandedness in the duel and the way they justditched the campaign at the end. If it was all based off a misunderstanding on the OP's part, then the way they behaved at the end makes no sense at all to me

[@Creshosk]

There was definitely some sort of metagaming as OP pointed out. Warlock was a "I don't trust any of you." type. Knew rogue and OP in character for the same amount of time. OP was nothing but helpful and supportive IC, but Warlock got super defensive of Rogue to the point of threatening the character that's had provided potions and gold. Warlock and rogue were a couple so was projecting that connection in game.

[@kuramaai9486]

Tbh, story 1, the duel should have been over the moment warlock called for help and the rouge went for op, that is when the party should’ve stepped in since at that point the duel’s rules were broken

[@JimAbooGames]

I will agree that OP misunderstood what Warlock meant, but I don't think he's an ahole. It already sounds like from that last part that Warlock was already being a problem player before they got to the duel and that they had a thing for Rogue, with Rogue having a thing for them. They seem to already know each other beforehand. No Warlock seems to have had a problem with the way OP did things or was doing it to the standards of how they and Rogue play. And then when the duel happens and OP wins Rogue breaks the rules and tries to help out Warlock prompting the FIghter to step in and tell them that Op won and rules are rules, prompting them to be sore crybabies about it and ghost and dutch the campaign killing it. Those two were aholes, everyone else was not.

[@l0stndamned]

Two points on the pvp story: Firstly I was kinda worried by the intro for a moment as it sounded an awful lot like of my games. I did try running a post-apoc d&d game (described as Fist of the North Star meets Shining Force) where trains ended up playing a prominent role and one of the PCs was a quirky warforged (although he was a warlock and his patron was wikipedia). Secondly I'm going to have to disagree with you and say I think OP was in the right here and not one of the problems. Warlock could have easily said something like "sorry, that was supposed to be in character, I thought a rivalry might be a cool, are you okay with that?" and resolved the issue, but he had to go on an ego-rant instead. I doubt bringing back warlock would have helped as it would have just let the grudges stick around. Everyone would have been too salty to make things work.

[@absolutfx]

1st story sounds fishy, especially considering Rogue jumped in with Warlock against OP. Strange if OP was on the party's good side.

[@reddinareddika3624]

I think I know what was going on in story one, and it is something in game and possibly out of game. Rogue and Warlock probably decided on a love story and they were trying to set things up for it by making Warlock look like a threat and a hero to Rogue, hence why he wanted the duel to ensue and maybe also for OP's carachter to be killed so that they could prove a point.

[@fred_derf]

On a scale of 1-10, where 1-5 is the ahole and 5-10 is not the ahole, the Soulknife Rogue (OP) was (at worst) a 4.8 (for going for the kill)*, but Warlock was a 2, maybe even a 1.5. And Rogue about he same as Warlock. Both, BTW, are also lousy role players using out-of-character knowledge against the OP. * Not going for the kill would not have made things better, it just would have extended the situation. Warlock and Rogue were not going to leave this alone and another "incident" was just around the corner.

[@DarkEvilFoxy]

wiseman once said act a fool and deal with the consequences of their actions they both wanted to kill op just op was ready and better at it then them and beside those two roleplaying fucking sucks

[@AM-yk5yd]

Disagree on 1st. They did talk. The resolution of the talk: handle it in the game. So the duel happened as the result of communication. I have no idea what OP could have done differently. Be a pushover and silently bullied by other player? My hot take PVP is basically the same category as "struggle snuggle" ERP: if you want all give but no receive, then don't. On 2nd: honestly, why rerolling the character is the most lore-friendly thing, IMO it's possible to retcon backstory for the character that it has reason to be in the group and not set them on fire and handwave what happened.

[@justinmargerum2559]

Story 1: OP was in the right. He tried to address the issue OOC, but Warlock not only shut it down, but got pissy with OP for expressing concern. There really was no apparent in-character justification for Warlock's in-character actions. Violating the terms of the duel pretty much sealed the deal.

[@fred_derf]

To the OP in the second story... Run. Don't walk, run! Get out of the relationship. Your girlfriend is showing you her true personality and she will bring it out in real life at some point, possibly only _after_ you're married. You're getting a chance to see the bullet coming, dodge it.

[@Justabitofsalt]

Midoriya and bakugo fighting is the prefect thumbnail for the title 0:48

[@g40oz]

Nah, OP in the first story wasn't an AHole. Probably OP jumped to conclusion, but I'm not sure about that. Warlock and Rouge seemed to have character bleed (especially Warlock) from the jump and projected that on OP.

[@dwaynejackson551]

Sorry Doge, Warlock in the first story was a dick.

[@Creshosk]

You usually are a strong advocate for open communication. But when the first OP does that, you fault him for it? Nah, fam. It don't work like that. If you advocate for open communication for solving problems and someone does that, you do not get on their case for expressing their discomfort and trying to resolve out of game concerns out of game. I get the feeling that this was warlock being a schrodinger's douchebag. If it wasn't that serious then Asslock shouldn't have gotten mad and simply clarified. Warlock OBVIOUSLY didn't care about OP or his feelings by attacking him and calling him a bad player. Especially when as OP pointed out... He was playing a I don't trust any of you, knew Rogue and soul knife the same amount of time, but still chose to favor rogue. Mixing in out of game feelings into in game actions. Especially with how much they broke the rules of the duel. All of it was definitely asslock getting his feelings hurt, and then solving out of game problems with in game actions... something you also advocate against. OP was definitely NTA. "I think they should have tried to do what OP tried to do before restorting to what the warlock insisted they do." Did you not... understand the story you just read? They TRIED doing what you suggested they do, it didn't work. That was the whole reason FOR the pvp.

[@justinmargerum2559]

Story 2: I really get the sense that playing D&D wasn't actually gf's idea, and that she might have gotten dragged into it by OP. If she doesn't enjoy it, just let her be. If it was her idea and she's still being a pillock, then it's fair to point out how her behavior is throwing a wet blanket on everyone else's fun.

[@atraxian5881]

Story 1: rogue and warlock met the consequences of their own actions.

[@nerdzplay]

Genuinely can’t call OP in the first story the a hole, considering the story overall. There is clear bias between rouge and warlock, to the point where I wouldn’t be shocked if the two players had planned on creating a romance plot for their characters in the near future. And as far as text based role play goes, I can’t see any harm in ooc requests for clarification on the situation ESPECIALLY if it looks like part of the group involved leaves out of the blue like that seemingly in a huff. Could OP have used non lethal damage to knock out warlock during the fight? Sure, but we all have heard enough stories about these situations to likely predict the second warlock is healed back up there would have been payback shortly after. If you want to call OP an a hole in this one, you’d have to call everyone one as well considering DM and fighter stood on the sidelines for the majority of this if what was described is true. That’s just me though.

[@foisopracurtir6389]

"But then why they leaved the game instead of trying to continue the petty grudge?"

[@WillyNilly504]

Nah, Doge is wrong on the first story IMO. The Warlock and Rouge were clearly being hostile towards the OP and he handled that the best he could.

[@caaliber115]

Op should've gone straight to the dm and let him know he's not comfortable role-playing that. He didn't need to engage in pvp either. There were plenty of ways to go about this that didn't require things to end in pvp.

[@Luckycharm318]

​@@caaliber115 Op may have done wrong after but the minute he said he was uncomfortable Warlock needed to back down. Simple as that. Yes OP then took the wrong actions after but still warlock is the clear instigator and a hole

[@WillyNilly504]

@@caaliber115 OP clearly told them all he was uncomfortable with it and the DM should have ended it then. Warlock was def the A-hole there.

[@rb98769]

OP offered PvP to solve what clearly comes down to OOC grievances, so he's also in the wrong here.

[@gazblackheart4596]

Warlock and rogue were being assholes its not even a question, seemed like warlock and rogue didn't like their character and were conspiring to kill them without any reason. I think your read is entirely too generous and the OP is completely justified.

[@PestilentAllosaurus]

I really have to share my horror story. I wanted enough time to burn between then and sharing because I know the DM and side note player would likely see/read it on reddit. Technically it's from my very first DnD campaign I've ever been in, I was too new to recognize all the red flags, misinformation, and the fact my DM was trying to kill off my character in a sneaky no conspicuously way. On top of everything else. That campaign lasted more than 2 years, i only missed a single session from 1 or 2 sessions every week for these 2+ years as well. I had joined other DnD and was amazed by the other DMs. It was later realized what a horrible person the DM was, and when talking about at least some good memories or small irritations, I found that while i had fun in my innocent way despite having multitude of moments that got under my skin... how bad things really were. They just kept piling up, then more lies found, extremely suspicious and really messed up decisions. As well as blatantly cheating. I have a lot to write about, and to write it in a nice presentation. But some small teasers being: [I barely knew of DnD stuff but was excited to learn.] I asked to be a animal race, which was a archer. Who didn't want to be weak prey and prove themselves. I asked about my other friends being a Ratfolk, and one being a tabaxi; however was denied as if these were custom creations. I asked about any other animal like race but nope. He told me what the party races and classes were and made a point not to duplicate anybody else. Rouge was one not taken in this 6 [i was the 7th] player at the table. Half-Elf was also not taken. I only knew of the edgelord thief rouge that was broody. I...wanted to make a unique rouge so my dm wouldn't worry about the common new player trope stuff. I... didn't know urchin parentless was common though, lol. To be faur, her parents only disappeared assumed dead. I gave freedom for my Dm to do something with them or not. Only that her elven hometown hated humans and hated her. So she left. She had a good childhood otherwise. Just wandered place to place and loved shiny things. Didn't matter the value. She was friendly and tend to be optimistic or supportive of people who were kind to her. We later made jokes she was played more like a bard mixed with a fighter. Lol However. I hoped to design her to distract and dodge the enemies. Unfortunately, I wasn't ever allowed to dodge. I specifically asked my dm that even if I took my entire turn, to not attack and instead prepared to dodge, it wasn't allowed. Just as I couldn't sneak around either. I was extremely ineffective in battles because of it. When a relative of the DM joined us/or replaced a member who decided to leave for reasons im now wondering if he noticed the red flags- His relative was also a rouge. Suddenly there was a lot more targeted attempts on my characters life and many, many close calls. Raising eyebrow moments, and obvious favoritism. I didn't care for his relative, nor his character but i separated myself from my character and never let that affect how my character interacted with anybody. There would be times when I'd roll high attempting something, getting a 17, or a 19, even a 26 roll added up rolls. Failed. Dm's relative or other friend would attempt exactly the same action. No differently- roll low to mid and fully succeed. Those always got under my skin. On the big final big bad boss day- I already let the dm know i couldn't be around for that time due to important doctor appointment. If it could be later or set on a different day. That i had already made it known previously for a few weeks to be transparent about scheduling. Instead i was ignored and he made a big deal about the brand new player making it instead because it was the only time she could make it. Again- i had always been there for more than 2 years. His comments were extraordinary rude and already cracks in our long time friendship were forming because of his behavior. I told him that it meant a lot to me to be there. I was the only original player still at the table from the beginning as well. My character was already stolen of her background moment as he completely skimmed over her being at her hometown for instead [no joke 2+ hours of us litterly just saying: "We continue walking to our destination/path." Waiting for something to happen or interact with. I did try to have talks with the dm after sessions regarding things that bothered me too. It still hurts knowing i would've missed the final big battle had another friend heard about me worried about missing it and lied saying they couldn't make the time either. So the dm changed the schedule to next week instead- but didn't notify me and would've left me stressed out had that person not updated me in private. There is so many things here and there that looking back on it- it was a flaming out red flag. And it's no mystery why everyone always left except for newer players, and one returning one more for my sake.

[@ShiKageMaru]

I'm sorry, but I have to declare Doge the A-hole of story #1. The OP did everything they could. They were treated unreasonably in-roleplay and when they tried to respond the other player ragequit. The #1 thing doge always says is "talk it out ooc" and op tried to talk about it out of character. Rogue wouldn't let them. And then the warlock and rogue continued to insult OP ooc. Then they established a bunch of rules for the duel, and warlock and rogue broke all of them. They even gave warlock a couple chances to give up and he didn't. So he tried fixing it ooc, then he did what the other players said to do and he handled it ic. What would doge have OP do? Not see the clear patterns in front of them?

[@CooperAATE]

KID FIIIIIIIGHT Okay, Warlock and Rogue were done type of couple, and didn't like OP's character showing them up. That's the vibe I got, at least.

[@Luckycharm318]

The minute OP said he was uncomfortable the warlock needed to back down and talk about it like adults. Warlock decided to escalate. It's that simple people need to stop enabling this sort of behavior. Based on what Op said he said it made him feel uncomfortable, rp should have ended and it needed to be taken out of game.

[@Nesseight]

* I bury the warlock atop the nearest hill, then I build an outhouse on top of that so animals won't mess with the body.

[@ByrdieFae]

Nope. In Story 1, warlock berated OP then left the chat. At that point, that wasn't an in-game conflict anymore.

[@dracone4370]

What Monk subclass do you think Simba would be?

[@AlexandraSaysHi]

Love you Doge, but disagree, OP in the First story wasn't the problem, wrlock and rogue were the issus here. What other way was OP supposed to interpret things when warlock throws a tantrum and then leaves the chat while OP is trying to sort things out? OP did try to solve the issue, warlock is the one who escalated things and cheated at the duel. Rogue, too. Clearly OP was not the problem here. Warlock was being a strait up AH of a bully and trying to pass that garbage off as '"an awesome role play set up."

[@Changeling]

PVP story: OP is NTA...the a-hole distinction goes first to Warlock then to Rogue. The "kill you like the rat you are" comment that Warlock made, and kicked off this entire thing, was based entirely on OOC information. All the IC info that the party had prior was that OP did not lie about anything they were asked so as far as their characters knew they acquired all their gold and potions from 100% legit honest means. No reason to call OP's character a rat. Everything leading up to OP saying they had an issue with what was going on was based on Warlock's OOC knowledge being brought into character. The Rogue chiming in about how "IC issues should be solved IC" when it wasn't an IC issue to begin with was absolutely uncalled for. Warlock showed he clearly couldn't distinguish between IC and OOC info and Rogue seemed to not be any better at it. Then both Rogue and Warlock gaslit OP into solving something that was an OOC problem caused by Warlock...then they couldn't even abide by the rules they set in place for doing that. And gotta add that the DM is a smidge the a-hole entirely because they did nothing. Should have asked, "Why did you call OP's character a rat?" at the very least and stepped in the moment OP said that Warlock had made them uncomfortable. They should have shut down Rogue's little tirade as well. This should not have been allowed to escalate to the IC duel happening over, yet again, OOC issues.

[@BloodRawEngine89]

Sorry Doge, you're COMPLETELY WRONG to apply any AH-ness to OP in the first story. From the get-go, Warlock and Rogue were clearly acting like they had it out for OP with no known reason or explanation. What the heck else could OP do if Warlock was so agaisnt any notion of communication beyond IC and OOC insults, gaslighting, and immediately leaving like a stubborn kid who couldn't get the last word? All OP ended up being was their karma for a pointless personal grudge they wouldn't explain. OP had ZERO obligation to communicate with people that immature and uncooperative. Serious L from you this time, and earns a thumbs-down on the vid from me.

[@DefectiveDictionary777]

OP in story one was just straight up potion laundering.

[@glennjonsson979]

this was no misunderstanding the warlock wantet and the roughe wantet pvp op carather they did not count on op winning the pvp

[@Ra88ful]

I think for the PvP story the characters should use something i do when i RP with someone X: hallo Me: hallo Character: hallo Put in the message the name of the character so people know who talking. It make it so people don't think your really being mean when you don't mean to be

[@JohnnyHacknslash]

Good morning fellow Doge and kitty lovers!

[@kannakamui9584]

First story NTA. The whole duel thing the moment the roles was broken the DM should have stepped in. Might not of made a difference who knows but you’re still suppose to be the damage control

[@Wraithspartan]

Can someone explain what "true good" is? Is that just OP's way of saying "lawful good"?

[@Creshosk]

Neutral good is "true good" as it's unswayed by law or chaos and is just "good." Which is why in 4th edition "good" replaced "Neutral good".

[@wolfwonder4957]

Guns and dragons!! 🎉

[@violinfanatickamraz1403]

Den of the Drake would be proud of that.

[@Torqegood]

Okay but you glazed over the fact that op wanted to discuss out of game while calling him am asshole

[@izraelburgess937]

Nah warlock for sure was setting things up so he could kill op and kick him from the game / party

[@nekomancer47]

Op was definitely one of the assholes

[@joshuastamos2213]

I think everything else was justifiable. Killing the downed player was not cool.

[@dorianleakey]

This first story doesnt make sense, the ending mainly, where they duel to one is downed and he murders him when downed, then explains the rules of the duel afterwards, and ihis explanation of the rules makes it justified, but for some reason they never got mentioned, and the DM says nothing throughout. It seems, off. Like OP gave us the ending he wanted rather than one where he left

[@CryBlueofZ]

Kitty

[@rb98769]

I'll have to agree with doge that there might be something to the first story we're missing. Warlock was definitely an a-hole, but there are other things that just don't sit right and we might be lacking context here. I just can't make sense of anyone thinking that an in-game duel would somehow solve what clearly comes down to OOC grievances, and that the players would magically tolerate one another after it happened. This feels like it was deliberately offered as an option to nuke that group/campaign and split the group, and it's worth noting that it's OP's character who offers the duel. There is also a glaring lack of a mediator figure in the story, either in OP or fighter. It might be one of those situations in which the group badly wants to split but the DM doesn't want to take the initiative to remove anyone, so they just come up with some bad in-game reason to make someone flip and leave. I see this ALL the time in online games. The way Warlock told him about him not being "fit for the group" also makes this seem like some kind of power struggle for the group with players trying to force others to leave, possibly with fighter or DM being supportive of OP but being made to be more neutral in the story. I'm by no means saying that warlock is in the right here, I'm just trying to figure out the context that we're definitely missing.

[@ketrava0425]

You weren't really the a hole until you escalated into killing someone who is down. Unless it was agreed to be a duel to the death from the get go

[@DunantheDefender]

Why tf did OP#1 decide to coup de grace an opponent in a duel? He went down. Duel over.

[@Creshosk]

According to the rules the duel should have been over when Soul Knife scored first blood. Warlock refused to back down and Rogue jumped in. At that point iit was no longer a duel and just PVP. Perhaps Warlock and Rogue should have backed down to show that it wasn't hostile. But they didn't do that so it was clear it was hostile.

[@DunantheDefender]

@Creshosk well, when OP knocked Warlock down, they also could have specified it was nonlethal damage.

[@simonO712]

It stopped being a proper duel the moment the Warlock casted Hellish Rebuke.

[@rynowatcher]

First one; any story where there is a duel where a character one shots another is a bit sus for me... Op is still an A hole, for me. You can declare and damage non-lethal, so there was not a reason to kill them rather than knock them out as an unconcous but stable character would not have to roll death saves so no chance of popping up with a 20 and would have to wait for a short rest to get hp back to act (they stated there were no healers). Knocking them out is actually an easier way to win a fight with a pc as the fight stops at 0 hp. They could have taken their speff focus or component pouch to stop spell casting or held an action to attack the downed warlock if they got attacked so the fight would end. They chose to kill the warlock not because they had to, but because they wanted too. Op also went to a lot of trouble to tell how the warlock player was not including them in rp; that kind of betrays the fact that this was factoring into their decision to kill the warlock. Jerk move in my book.

[@Creshosk]

Nah, we all know that Warlock and or rogue would have tried again at a later point because it was CLEARLY not an ingame thing. The instant that rogue and Warlock doubled down rather than clarifying that it was just an incharacter thing made it clear it was NOT just an in character thing.

[@rynowatcher]

@@Creshosk I mean, warlock and rougue were not booted when they left. That seems to imply they would not try to continue this later as warlock could role up a new character with the specific goal of taking down op; the dm and the rest of the party seem cool with pvp as long as it is fair, after all. This is a petty grudge that op was keeping at best and a work of creative writing at worst (I am suspicious about a duel ending in 5e where the other character could not land a blow).

[@dannypashalidis2954]

170 views in 15 minutes. Dude really fell off. Lol

[@DarkEvilFoxy]

warlock and rogue are the assholes here i get where OP coming from b/c i would feel the same those 2 didnt like op from the start just hidden there feelings til something came up the both should never play ttrpg if they cant work with the party im sick of it what my char would do -=- nice meta op never told a lie help the party with pot's and gold i would see it as ah what a good guy not he evil kill him do we not know how to role play anymore