Cringe Wolfman Player Ruins DnD | r/rpghorrorstories

[@LayfonDragnia]

Honestly, I’ll take cringe howling over someone unironically (even if it’s a character) referring to themselves as an “alpha”.

[@bowser5678]

No better way to admit someone is a beta than proclaiming they’re the alpha and try to use it to dominate the rest of the party.

[@starofjustice1]

We need fewer men like Andrew Tate

[@prometheus5997]

What’s even dumber is that, the social hierarchy concept that terminology is based on was disowned by the researcher that founded it. Since as it turns out it was entirely wrong, the “alphas” were literally just the parents of the other wolfs in the pack.

[@ArcCaravan]

While the "alpha" furry lingo was definitely aggravating, it sounded like the howling was less annoying and more literally painful. Like a pitch issue or yelling in the ear.

[@siobhanroberts2329]

​@prometheus5997 right? The whole alpha pack thing was debunked in 2000..

[@theodoremorrow4763]

Secret hero: Jess's Dad. Imagine trying to be fair, teach newbies D&D & ignore your daughter's jackass boyfriend's behavior at the same time.

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

Heck yeah.

[@Juju2927]

"It takes skills to be a Damage dealer" is the most "DPS Main only" thing to say ever lol.

[@ArcCaravan]

Honestly support seems to require more skill since you can't just spam attack and have to watch multiple characters' stats.

[@fangslore9988]

cringe all a dps player does is just attack the enemy with a sword, bow or spell, the healer and tank characters requier much more skills to use, one needs to know when to heal one's party and how to optimize those heals and a tank needs to know which reactions to use to optimize their survivability and to keep the attention of the boss in bossfights like agros and all that. dps is the easiest job on in DnD

[@destroyerinazuma96]

​@@fangslore9988Reminds me of how Rift MMo tried putting some nuance through their Chloromancer class, ranged dps/heal hybrid whose damage abilities would proc extra healing on allies. Chloro was a strong "dip" for Elementalist since they would damage enemies and then heal their pet.

[@Bladezeromus]

​@@ArcCaravan Honestly, I think anyone complaining about someone's role being less skilled is just a loser. DPS has a lot to worry about. Rotations, AoEs, mechanics, positioning, etc and Healers have to worry about similar things. Anyone dying usually ends in a wipe so both are equally important.

[@peterriverajr6899]

​@@ArcCaravanI totally agree you have to know when and where to drop your healing or control spells to make the most impact. I honestly struggle with it

[@littlegiantj8761]

I'm sorry, but I love Dan's retorts. "And my Dad can beat up your Dad."

[@Kylesico912x]

Honestly if that rule came up while I play a healer or support , I’d just stop healing, buffing, debuffing and tanking entirely. See how long they’d last without me helping.

[@unluckyone1655]

Yup, they want to (in this case literally) lone wolf the game, then so be it

[@snekbetch5674]

"The cub dares to challenge his alpha?" BRUHHH I rolled my eyes so hard at that.

[@elementairttv]

I would have died laughing at this😂

[@spectrelead]

"Bitch, you aren't my alpha. Don't make me throat your mangy ass." You want to play a werewolf? There are systems that revolve around them.

[@iluvyurbles]

It’s cringe on multiple levels Particularly because the alpha wolf myth has been proven false and is a poorly written way to dominance

[@elementairttv]

@@iluvyurbles exactly they author that wrote about alpha wolves even came out and said it was misunderstood. But that defeats all these people's egos too much

[@nerdzplay]

Automatic constitution roll to not pass out from the cringe, requires a Nat 20 to pass

[@JacobL228]

If that douche actually tried to find a wolf pack in real life, he's get torn to shreds in seconds while shouting "No, stop, I'm your alpha!"

[@johnhager8967]

That happened to a guy actually

[@BreathWeapon]

Gunk is the perfect example of main character syndrome, thinking there character is more important than everyone else's and refering to themselves as something along the lines of "alpha" and forcing themselves into the theoretical "spotlight" (getting final strikes, hoarding loot, accepting quests, acting like a leader without party consent" and the WORST of all, MAKING HIS CHARACTER CRINGE AS POSSIBLE IN EVERY PARTY INTERACTION)

[@cynreiusacari3163]

I would have been kicked for having a character that’s too sarcastic. Nothing alpha about that backstory or having a dead pack. Pupper is a rogue and on his way to becoming a rug. 😂 dude’s obnoxious as hell.

[@nick-brothwood]

The moment gunk left the game, my only thought was 'good riddance to bad rubbish'.

[@cyberspinosaur1145]

Wolves are magnificent. So sad they're subjected to such cringe fantasies

[@squidfromtheloft7894]

Especially since wolves are very much a family oriented species. Plus, the leader of the pack actually protects the pack from the rear, instead of leading from the front.

[@ArcCaravan]

The worst of people try claiming the coolest stuff to the point what was once popular becomes a sign of garbage.

[@Thedragonlover95]

@@squidfromtheloft7894 That is very interesting. And I have seen wolf characters in games that really arn't like this.

[@fangslore9988]

i agree, the Wolfborn race incidentally was my creation which it seemed he had stolen, i've shown the race on a few worldbuilding servers where i suspect he found and copied my notes on the race though he made some changes since the original Wolfborn race are literally birthed by wolves through unknown magics, they have lycanthropic like qualities including the ability to shift into a werewolf/near-anthropomorphic wolf-like form.

[@aquaticcatfey]

​@fangslore9988 Oh, so they're _not_ this guy's worgen knockoffs, rougarou knockoffs, and/or _ElfQuest_ reference?

[@Agamemnon-w9x]

Gunk: 🐺Awoooooo Party: Bruh.. 🙄

[@marybdrake1472]

Jess was really soft-soap there, rookie mistakes indeed. None of that excuses Gunk by any stretch though as Gunk was the whole problem from the start.

[@informitas0117]

People pleaser first-time DM requires some good understanding players, of which furryman wasn't.

"It takes skill to be a good damage dealer!" LOL. Not to disparage damage dealers, but dealing damage is probably the easiest thing to do in D&D. You have to actually try hard to make a character that is truly bad at it.

[@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627]

Yeah, it's really dumb how people lionize the role

[@Mailshere]

Its usually the easiest thing to do in almost any game tbh lol. The damage or DPS role is the suggested beginner role for a reason. Even in MoBAs they often suggest Attack damage carry as your first role to play.

[@kevindavis4456]

That was some good cringe. The whe alpha, sigma, ligma male BS is just astrology for insecure dudes. Also, the rogue who runs ahead of the party to 1v1 a boss, and therefore negating his ability to sneak attack, wants then xp to dependent on damage output is just ridiculous. I understand that they were young, and that we all go through a cringe phase, but I sure hope that Gunk grew out of hissooner than later.

[@ahuzel]

" the rogue who runs ahead of the party to 1v1 a boss" Ive never played dungeons and dragons but this kind of attitude can be found in rts, moba and mmorpg, the boy who overestimates himself and want to be a lone wolf... in a team game

[@captaindred342]

Leeeeeeeroooooooooy!!!! We have all.played with Jenkins before. 😂

[@dead_vibes]

Yeah... Im not patient enough for this. I would've left.

[@Lionwoman]

Those fury + "alpha males" are worriesome and some cringe worthy fellas.

[@UzicoAvali]

Oh good heavens! It appears the Dungeons and Dragons Shiba Inu is describing yet another perilous story about an anthropomorphic terror!

[@dwarfwithinternetaccess]

I do declare! Such tomfoolery should not be permitted within this space!

[@MyLittlePonyTheater]

Dan was the MVP in this one - didn't put up with any of Gunk's garbage. We need more D&D payers like Dan.

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

Be like Dan.

[@sharingheart13]

I went back to watch some of your older videos. My eyes and psyche can rest easy seeing you with your hat once more.

[@CreativeWebs00]

Even though Jess made mistakes as a DM and gave in to Gunk's stupid crap, I feel bad that Gunk took advantage of her due to being a people pleaser.

[@indumatipngtuber2790]

You know, from seeing all the fantasy anime/manga that treats support and healing class characters badly seemed pretty stupid to me at first, but seeing that actual people think like that unironically is like, are these guys smooth brains who only know how to smash rocks together or something?

[@gurmyigoll3535]

You ever come across a situation where a person does something repeatedly, gets told to try something else, and they then produce dogshit? That's what this feels like.

[@unluckyone1655]

There is an unwritten rule that dates back pretty far in the ttrpg realm; don't piss off the healer.

[@ArcCaravan]

Seems like a common mistake for new players and people with a passing interest in a game. I'm pretty sure a good chunk of shows about video games aren't made by more experienced players, just a topic to get readers.

[@JacobL228]

What manga have you been reading? People who treat healers and buffers/debuffers like shit in manga are always the first ones to get their asses handed to them before they die.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@JacobL228 I think it's less about openly mocking those character archetypes and more prioritizing DPS over everyone else. I recall only one MMORPG anime/manga protagonist who isn't primarily an attacker.

[@chaindragon886]

I don't think Dan was at fault any bit by telling Gunk to sniff wolf butt. Gunk repeatedly insulted other players and with all the alpha crap it was only a matter of time before he tried to declare someone an his omega... and we all know what happens next...

[@NJ-kp3wu]

Of course he wasn't. If anything, he should've been way harsher and reacted way sooner.

[@jasa_TheRealOne]

"Anyone can build a character to take a hit or be a ?musician playing behind us all. It takes skill to be a good damage dealer." Bruh. And by that logic, the burning hands player would still be way ahead of the "alpha". So stupid! Ummm a second character?! What the actual hell?!

[@paha4209]

Honestly i would´ve found it funny if they adapted the XP for damage rule and de-buffed his ass to oblivion. Bet the rule would´ve vanished faster than he could´ve said "Alpha"

[@ArcCaravan]

After getting shown up by burning hands, I honestly expect the wizard would overshadow the rogue by getting damage experience from multiple targets at once.

[@Xylarxcode]

While I realize this may not be true for every party out there, generally speaking it's a good idea to make a relatively assertive person the DM. As the person who gets the final say, you need to be able to make a decision on the spot that is fair and decisive. If you're going to start hemming and hawing and say things like: 'I don't know what to do', I'd suggest taking notes during sessions and seeing how other DM's do it, so you can learn from them and incorporate it into your own games. To me, it sounds like an equally big part of the problem was the DM, who was inexperienced and felt like she was stuck between her boyfriend and her friends, leaving her unable to make decisive calls. Even worse, she was open to manipulation from her boyfriend and I don't think the story shines enough of a spotlight on that. While she does have some redeeming qualities and it's definitely not all her fault, she did enable a lot of her boyfriend's bad behavior. I know the story told us she's a textbook people pleaser, but if she can't get past that during games and can't make fair judgment calls, then they need to tell her to work on that. No one likes favoritism. The boyfriend is obviously the real big bad here (get it?), but her enabling is what allowed it to spiral out of control a lot more than it should have. Be assertive, fair and as impartial as you can be when you DM. It was her first time and she was already at disadvantage due to her personality and an unfortunate situation of 'being stuck between a rock and a hard place' but I hope she's learned to work on that more, should she continue running games in the future.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

I believe in some comment section I once read about a chap with Tourette who was howling at the dnd table. But it wasn't easy not to, for him, and he otherwise wasn't being cringe and just tried his best. The table was aware he was on the spectrum.

[@travisbishop782]

Poor guy. At least he was in an understanding group.

[@akmi1931]

Glad to see the DM dump his ass. That was a very toxic relationship

[@dracone4370]

Once again, I think it could be fun to see Doge turn his cats into D&D characters, and share their character sheets with the audience.

[@7thsealord888]

Agreed, someone can display Edgelord-y traits and still be an acceptable Player-Character. Not here, though. Obviously, mistakes were made by the inexperienced DM, but Gunk's insecurities and general behavior were the real problem. I am glad the rest of the group stayed together, and I love the idea of Gunk's uber-character being kept on as a comedic relief mini-boss.

[@RuinQueenofOblivion]

This guy is like an evil version of one of my players who likes to play animal based characters.

[@travis7746]

No, it’s completely fair to be critical of Jess. If your partner’s whole personality is being a cross between an Andrew Tate sigma and a Tumblr alpha wolf kid, there’s quite literally no excuse to be with that person

[@ArcCaravan]

To be fair, the problem player was fine before DnD brought out his "alpha" tendencies.

[@travis7746]

@@ArcCaravan 1. I find that hard to believe ngl, even if it just wasn’t as obvious before 2. That type of stuff, calling people “cubs” is something that should be nipped in the bud the moment it’s spoken, not left untouched due to “benefit of the doubt” for months on end😂

[@pumpkinicing]

As someone who loves wolves, played a character raised by wolves who saw the party as a pack, and hates misinformation, seeing gunk INSIST on not only using "alpha" terminology (which is incorrect and based off of a study that did everything wrong, actual wolf packs are more like family structures with the "alphas" being the often-parents and leaders, but "betas" being more aggressive and protective), but also calling those he saw as children "cub" instead of "pup" is driving me up the WALL.

[@pumpkinicing]

This guy knows NOTHING about wolves and should be ashamed.

[@rafaeldyminskirojtenberg1245]

Gunk being a mini boss cracked me up! That's a thing that I would do!

[@deepseastonecore3017]

Thanks 4 all the hard work.

[@GM-lr1kw]

Is it bad I want a follow-up of Gonk trying to pull that BS in the father's campaign in being put in his place by him?

[@pulsefel9210]

the idea of a character that can swap between classes is interesting if made right. have it burn one of your highest spell slots or a once per long rest if you have none and make slots burned for it unrecoverable till a long rest. you only retain bonuses and powers of the current class setup. if your gear happens to not work with both its gonna be a big issue.

[@ArcCaravan]

Basically a job system in videogames like Xenoblade Chronicles, Final Fantasy, and Yakuza: Like a Dragon. Would be interesting to try out.

[@fangslore9988]

i created the wolfborn race and that isnt how it was originally supposed to work, canonically the Wolfborn in wolf form use their claws to attack so they cannot change classes. they are also liturally birthed by wolves. whoever this Gunk person is, they stole the race i have been working on for 7 years and its almost a 1 for 1 copy except their little edits namely the class swaping bit. i suspect he took it from the world building discord servers i posted about the race. the Wolfborn and its stats aren't even made for DnD but for the TTRPG i am currently creating so thats why the stat block they used in their character didnt translate very well and made the race seem over powered

[@pulsefel9210]

@@fangslore9988 interesting that it's balanced in yours

[@iank472]

Ahh another fine example of "spineless DM syndrome". With just a dash of partner favouritism for extra zest!

[@Phantomcuffs]

As the designated Tank for my group (which I love btw) that rule about experience gain wouldve caused me to leave. That and the garage GF playing favorites. Inexperienced or not she knew what she was doing by allowing Gunk to pvp and the private sessions allows him to level shawarma of everyone didn’t help

[@unluckyone1655]

Its always nice when the trash takes itself out

[@heatherharrison264]

Anything to do with wolves is a red flag, and allowing a wolfaboo into a game is a bad idea. Wolfaboos are guaranteed to cause trouble. It's always funny when they get hung up on the alpha concept, which has been discredited by the scientist who came up with it in the first place. It's a good thing that the wolfaboo got upset and left; the game was certainly better off without him.

[@fangslore9988]

well as the person who created the Wolfborn race i would say it comes down to the caliber of the person who uses it, i am now angry that whoever this Gunk is they have stolen the race i had been working on for 7 years now likely from one of the worldbuilding discord servers i posted about the race which i now know was a mistake to do. they did make some changes but canonically the Wolfborn are liturally birthed by wolves and have lycanthropic-like traits. in all it is an almost 1 for 1 to my race with slight edits.

[@heatherharrison264]

@@fangslore9988 I feel bad for people who create this sort of thing only to see it misused. There is nothing inherently wrong with wolves, but for some reason, there are a lot of people out there who have an unhealthy obsession with them. Many years ago, a friend of mine had a cringeworthy erotic encounter with a wolfaboo, and the lurid story of that event left me with a bad impression. I had even met the guy, but this was before we knew he was wolf happy.

[@NJ-kp3wu]

@@fangslore9988 'Well as the person who created the Wolfborn race'... Dude, you are projecting tsunami-level waves of cringe, and you come from the sane part of the 'I LuW vUWs' spectrum. One can only imagine how insane are the rest of the folks in that rabbit hole.

[@fangslore9988]

@@NJ-kp3wu i do apologize if i gave that impression, whoever Gunk is did bastidize what i created and the idea of the wolfborn were originally a way to describe lycanthropy myths and legends in my setting without including a contagious lycanthrope creature to my setting but i wanted the race to functionally be more peaceful utilizing their transformative abilities as tools for hunting and fighting only when the need to fight arises and as a race they don't seek out violence and humans encounter them and the werewolf myths took on its own life ignoring the truth but also being fully regarded as a myth within the setting in a nutshell. there was never any intention of alpha wolf or anything like that canonical lore. if i did know my early version of my work was going to be stolen though, i would never have posted it on a worldbuilding server i found on reddit. fyi there are no alphas in canonical wolfborn lore, they are led by Jarls and even a High King, the lore is inspired by viking lore after they abandoned their raider lifestyle IRL to the most part. i intended the race to be in a nutshell a noncontagious hippy werewolf race if you ever do want to know about it in the future i may post it on my deviantart page or on discord

[@fangslore9988]

@@heatherharrison264 its a hard lesson sure but ultimately it means that i need to be more careful where i post worldbuilding notes. its worse when they're bastidized because people dont understand the lore, Gunk whoever he is seems to not exactly understand the lore. i intended them to be a peaceful race who live as a part of nature not apart from nature. they're basically a non-contagious werewolf hippy race in a nutshell but without illegal substance use

[@mikec1222]

Stories like this make me wonder when we'll see one of someone going figuratively nuclear on even the slightest red flag or problem player behavior, specifically in response to rpghorrorstories. Like "no problem player piece of garbage is gonna get the better of ME!"

[@NewTypeDilemma01]

I listen to these videos at work. This story gave me a literal migraine.

[@TigerW0lf]

JFC, I can't believe Jess went along with his bs! Sure, she apologized, but COME ON! That guy was toxic as hell, NEVER kowtow to an edgy manchild.

[@zacharysieg2305]

It’s a lesson hard-learned, especially because of her rose-tinted glasses from the relationship. I’d say as long as she learned from the experience and no one was seriously hurt, she’s in the clear.

[@ArcCaravan]

Based on OP's introduction, he only became toxic during the game. Before that he seemed chill.

[@duyas1628]

This is filled with so many stop we are not doing this moments.

[@PrideOfFantasy100]

Geez. First half of the backstory for Wolfman I can see working maybe? Character motivation to avenge your adoptive family is a classic motive. But the later half is just cringe... But this just gets worse and worse. I'd give Gunk a pass if he was like 10 or 12 on some of these, but even then it's bad. And the gf going along with things strikes me as Gunk forcing her to do stuff and some abuse. Glad she got away from him. As someone who likes playing wolf people, I'd never entertain the notion of 'Alpha' wolf since it doesn't exist in wolf societies. I more like it as it's a reason to have a natural group mentality with my party and I admittedly love werewolves. Never been called edgy, though. Ideas are rarely bad, but execution can certainly be... But yeah, good riddance and I hope Gunk learns to be better.

[@monikasernek1177]

What was gunk doing sounded like that stupid werewolf romance stories I heard off (I like werewolves too - that why I know they exist).

[@ArcCaravan]

I highly doubt people who like wolf imagery and motifs actually read up on actual animal behavior.

[@fangslore9988]

its actually got me annoyed because i'm the one who created the wolfborn race for a TTRPG project i'm working on for about 7 years now and it seems that my idea was stolen because its an almost 1 for 1 to the Wolfborn race but i can tell he took it from an earlier itteration since i've established the Wolfborn are liturally birthed by wolves canonically

[@KillinWithKi11Roy]

You know it's fake when the words problematic, and insecure.....

[@kylemendoza8860]

This shouldn't need to be said. But if you're trying to feel like a badass off a tabletop character you created. You have demonstrated you are the farthest thing from an alpha.

[@nocount7517]

Intelligence was clearly his dump stat.

[@KHFMcAwesome]

Oh gosh! I couldn’t stop laughing over the edgelord's backstory! I kept saying “Oh gosh, he’s literally Edgelord Mowgli!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@travisbishop782]

I was thinking the same thing. Too bad Shere Khan didn't show up.

[@thebigidea9659]

Sounds like gunk came out of his "human form" when he realized that dnd would allow him to act out his alpha wolf furry power fantasy. The splitting image of cringe.

[@fangslore9988]

ironically the canonical wolfborn do have the ability to transform but Gunk took what i created and seeing this, its just cringe it looks like he took the older iteration of the race i created because i further gave the Wolfborn race a Norse style culture including the Norse naming convention, the Wolfborn canoncally are literally birthed by wolves canonically also, it seems i made a mistake in sharing my notes on the race a while back on discord world building servers

[@NJ-kp3wu]

@@fangslore9988 That entire lore sounds really sad and cringy but not nearly as much as you being totally convinced what you made is cooler than this dude in any shape or form.

[@fangslore9988]

@@NJ-kp3wu i admit my description is entirely flawed but thats because i do not wish to actually reveal the lore since the race was stolen once before from a discord worldbuilding server i found on reddit. so forgive me if i only poorly described the bare minimum in a flawed way. i sank 7 years of worldbuilding into the race

[@NJ-kp3wu]

@@fangslore9988 That sounds incredibly sad, especially since judging by your profile pic you can't be more than 11.

[@fangslore9988]

@@NJ-kp3wu i'm 31my profile pic is my channel's mascot. there's nothing wrong with using a chibi anthropomorphic shark as a pfp. what you should be concerning yourself with is the fact that people are stealing other people's heart work for their own gain or own use because of the fact it sounds cool, not regarding the hard work people put into it. i worked my ass off for 7 years, working on my TTRPG and the races i created. when i saw this vid, i realized my work had been used by someone other than myself even if they used an old iteration of my work. answer this, if you worked hard on a TTRPG and your own system, and you find out someone stole an early build of your work, would you not be angered or frustrated by it? would you not be inclined to say or do something? that is what the Wolfborn as a race are to me, 7 years of dedicated work, 7 years of toil and writes and rewrites. the statblock is just where i want but the lore. now the lore was something i immensely enjoyed creating. their histories their culture and their religions. especially their origins. have you ever had such dedication to a concept or idea? i doubt many have.

[@andrewler13theundeadwarrio51]

Scrunch!Wizard: Wait your gonna make a DnD Horror story out of me? No... I CAST, *INSTANT DEATH!* Humpty!Crocks: Augh!.... *Cracks open and dies cringely.*

[@andrewler13theundeadwarrio51]

To be honest nothing can convince me except of course the horror stories of dnd.

[@andrewler13theundeadwarrio51]

1:01 ELDEN RING!!!

[@davidleatherhoff9174]

Wo-ow... never played DnD (though, I hold it in great respect, knowing many great video games it inspired), but gotta say, this one is fire! Only a half way through a video, and it still smh managed to make me cringe physically and stop it a few times to take a breath.

[@MWH12085]

"This is throw way account, because those involved are redditors" Oh course they are. Its not a DND horror story without at least one of these clowns involved in the story (besides the author)

[@spectrelead]

"Anyone can build to take a hit or cast spells from the back"? Sounds like Gunk was one of those 'git gud' huntards from WoW who pull mobs off the tank when too far from the healer, then pitch a mega-Karen pity-party bitch-fit when they die

[@Bladezeromus]

Imagine getting roasted for being a furry by a talking dog wearing the hat of a talking cat who turns into a buxom witch.

[@nokh3382]

Wait, from Soul Eater? I thought that hat looked familiar.

[@Bladezeromus]

@@nokh3382 Blair's is black/purple depending on the lighting and kinks to the right. But she's the first thing I think of when I look at that hat on an animal.

[@foxinator2739]

Unironically calling people "cubs" has got to be the most cringe thing ever

[@dwaynejackson551]

When my friends and I went anywhere with my brother and he was asked to lead, he would snap his fingers and say: "On my hels hatchlings." My brother and I are 3-5 years older than most of our friends. He just liked to refer to them as hatchlings as we were living on our own bs. Most of our friends still living with parents. We were all adults.

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

I'm sorry but I keep hearing Doge saying *Gunk* as *Gonk*, so I just picture a gonk droid at the table, ranting and shaking violently about his wolf bro man.

[@danny1ft1]

My friend as a new DM accidently did the damage thing by accident awarding kills as exp and as a rogue I was mercing 2 enemies a turn pretty much and I was levelling up and my first question was like are you sure about this!? it seems crazy that I seem to get the last hit a lot and by the time other people start getting kills they're not going to be able to compete because I will be levels ahead.... then he checked rules and realised we should be getting EXP as a party lol, only a douche and a moron would see himself getting all the EXP as a good thing.

[@Inhaledcorn]

Broooooo Why do people got to drag werewolves through the mud like this???? 😭 I like the idea of a guy getting blessed to be a wolfman, but this guy is so fucking *criiiinge,* dude.

[@Lionwoman]

imo antro wolf don't equal werewolf. It lacks the monstruous and curse part. But it is indeed cringe.

[@Inhaledcorn]

@@Lionwoman The cringe is the curse.

[@ArcCaravan]

Same reason anything gets dragged through the mud by edgelords: they think its cool.

[@garuelx8627]

​@ArcCaravan edgelords or deviants.

[@RagnarokCX]

Glad they overturned that rule, I'm petty enough to not heal the party members (specifically Gunk) in combat

[@vegetin01]

I feel you Dan, I feel you.

[@AWholeLegionary]

I was asking myself "Is it me? Did I end up here?" until i saw they had a girlfriend and its not me. I can share briefly. So there was this somewhat private server me and a group of players joined. I submitted a homebrew class that got accepted which was crazy busted later on. I didn't realize that till a little later but two DMs banned me from their quests and I was quite humbled, then the place died because we all realized we had lives, and well that was the end of that. The broken class was from DanDwiki and was called "Shield Master."

[@SageDarkwind]

Gunk could have just picked Shifter as his PC's race, if he wanted to be a werewolf.

[@ArcCaravan]

Judging by the character choices, I assume they didn't have the book. And the problem player definitely felt like he cared more for being overpowered.

[@fangslore9988]

i agree instead he stole a race i have been working on for roughly 7 years now and modified it and passed it off as his own, i suspect he took it from a worldbuilding discord server i posted the race in during its early development, the wolfborn are liturally birthed by wolves canonically. i am not exactly happy that Gunk whoever he is took the race and used it but i'm just learning about it now watching DnD doge, basically a 3rd party individual. based on the OP in the reddit post this Gunk fellow does not seem to be a particularly intelligent individual based on the "alpha" statements. canonically the Wolfborn in the revised iteration is based on Norse culture and are led by a Jarl who is typically the strongest or most capable since one can challenge a Jarl at any time in single combat to attain the position. whoever Gunk is he used the early version of the race and tried to modify it to his liking

[@themightypen1530]

Sounds like Jess is being taken advantage off as a new DM.

[@TigerKirby215]

I have a feeling that Gunk wasn't that good at the other games the group played, and when he saw a game he could "beat" everyone else at he tried his best to be the "alpha." That's why he was so insecure when anyone else got the spotlight.

[@fangslore9988]

ironically i dont think he was good at creating anything either, the Wolfborn race he used was my creation and he took it from the worldbuilding discord servers i posted it on. the Wolfborn are liturally birthed by wolves and have lycanthropic-like traits namely the transformation ability, which gives them a humanoid werewolf/anthropomorphic-like form and a typical animal wolf form as well as a human form. it seems he took the race i had been working on for rougly 7 years and he obviously did not understand the race all that much since the Wolfborn do not have alphas or anything like that, they're based on a Norse culture so they're led by the strongest which was my latest addition. i am now believe sharing the race's notes on discord on worldbuilding servers was a big mistake

[@StSubZero]

@@fangslore9988 Always a pickle when that kind of thing happens. Though I'll say It's entirely possible he came up with the name "Wolfborn" on his own by looking at Dragonborn and thinking "I want that, but as an edgy furry alpha male!" and made up some random grimdark stuff. In short, Sonichu Syndrome by adding what he likes to something else he saw that was cool. I say this because as you mentioned outside of the name there was nothing in common with what you created, which sounds legitimately cool by the way, like berserkers. The wolf-man is a fairly common homebrew request, especially by furries and edgelords. Heck Crowe's Perch has a funny one of a conversation between one guy arguing "Matt Mercer would let me play my furry OC" with the DM telling him to quit acting like a kid.

[@fangslore9988]

@@StSubZero the thing is i created the wolfborn and what was described was too identical to the original version of the race i created with only a slight modification, and when they said gunk is also a redditor i realized he may have been on the r/worldbuilding discord server which i used to be on and he may have stolen it from there since i was on that server for a while and talked about the Wolfborn heavily there. i left it because it was dying and because the mods did not crack down on content theft because they were never even active.

[@zacharysieg2305]

Me checking the fingers to see if the thumbnail is AI-generated:

[@ringking7]

I do agree you shouldn't be able to cast shield on an attack you didn't see coming though. It's RAW, but it dosent really suit the fantasy of the spell.

[@dead_vibes]

It's magic. Literally anything can be explained with magic.

[@joshuawiener5003]

Of course the Dwarf player has a grudge counter.

[@tesuniekataren46]

Where do you find the art you use for your thumbnail images/video covers? This one is really cool looking. As someone who has played cooperative PvP games (Mechwarrior Online to name just one), and being involved on their forums enough... It is too stupidly common to hear these exact arguments about damage dealers are more "skillful" and "ends fights/win matches" and should always be the sole and best metric for rewards... I have seen other actions win matches in my games beyond just dealing damage. I have seen matches lost because someone on a team focused only on dealing damage and racked up insane amounts of damage score, but lost the match because they didn't sport anyone else on their team, feeding teammates into the grinder to fuel their damage scores instead... It is just awful and I cringe every time I hear the argument come up. This is a first time I've heard it come up in D&D though, as there are so many different ways to play. My group has RPed out of so many combat encounters that it's kind of funny sometimes...

[@Sagninaw]

I have played as a non op wolfborn bard but I never acted cringe saying shit like "oh i'm the alpha" "you dare challenge me !!" I simply played as comical yet Charming character that did have some wolf like tendencies but nothing like this crap 😭

[@DisneyChar]

Getting rid of the exp rule based on its long term impact on gunk was wrong. The game should have stopped there, because me getting literally 0xp for the rest of the game is where the game ends.

[@jessl1934]

I think the easiest solution for that problem is if the healer or tank responds to the new rule by announcing that they aren't going to play support any longer since there's no incentive to do anything but attack and the more party members knocked out means more exp for them personally so the choice is obvious. One thing that people like Gunk rely upon is imposing on the goodwill of others while extending none in return. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt but if someone has zero intention of reciprocating then you shouldn't enable their bad behavior. People like this don't care about fairness, they care about opportunities. If you appeal to notions of fairness all they'll do is take advantage of the opportunity this provides them to continue breadcrumbing others.

[@CooperAATE]

We are a GO for doge

[@jamison85]

Heard the story from Drake already, but came here for Lucky!

[@vortega472]

Where's the lucky hiding? There he is, okay little one I'll like this video.

[@rocksnrolls]

Honestly, while Jess should be given a bit of slack for being new, she definitely should have quite a bit of blame on her shoulders for the obvious favoritism and not helping stop him from pulling this bullshit, especially just allowing all that bs in the last fight because Gunks feefees got hurt. Yes, Gunk is the main asshole and deserves every bit of hate thrown his way and she is likely doing her best, but she's definitely messed up here. Also, the whole Alpha male mentality is bullshit too.

[@ashb8036]

Side rant. Why is XP not given out for defeating the enemy instead of going all murder hobo? Yes I know many GMs do have a system, but am I wrong in that 5e rules as written promote mass casualties and punish characters who come up with less murderous solutions? I’m an old 2e player has been in the palladium world for decades, took a break for years, and am now just returning to dnd..

[@quesamigosproductions9981]

This one's fur lucky

[@mikeyfisher4256]

Gunk was most likely always an a-hole, he was just waiting for the moment to strike, glad she managed to dump that garbage off and continued the campaign with her friends.

[@brairag5744]

If your party is competing over XP, then you aren't using the system as it's described in the book. Everybody gets the XP. Not in weighted proportions or to the exclusion of others.

[@fred_derf]

Gunk was a Larry-Sue with Main Character Syndrome -- he just wasn't very good at it.

[@AlasKenn1]

Messing with Exp is aalways a tricky idea and basing it off of things like damage is always a stupid idea. It incentivizes a very aggressive strategy that has no room for non-combat roles. Healing, buffs and debuffs, statuses, crowd control, all of these things are important if you want everyone alive at the end of combat. Making the rewards exclusive to the knife weilding furry dork should have been a red flag even to beginners.

[@garuelx8627]

Idk why it's so hard for several furry players to withhold the edge and yiff. I never had a problem with that, and my current pc is a Gnoll Bard/Warlock, one of those classes known for maximum rizz...

[@Kingdom_Of_Dassogne]

We all need a Dan

[@DarkWarchieff]

Unpopular opinion: Jess is worse, Gunk has bits of a good person in there but he needs a firm traine- friend*

[@snickerdoodle8776]

Another un popular opinion, I thought the backstory to his character was kind of cool. Cliché? Maybe but I don't see it as "cringe" as everyone makes it out to be. Maybe thats just me.

[@Lionwoman]

...How is she worse?

[@ArcCaravan]

​@@LionwomanProbably the idea a bad DM is always worse than a bad player. Like how an imperfect person is worse than a villain.

[@WarmLusamine]

It's even a Trope. "Jerks Are Worse Than Villains".

[@illiusssm2053]

this was the most cringe shit ive heard in months. chefs kiss, peak cinema

[@brianjohnson1509]

The reaction to sneak attack bit - You can't react to something you can not see coming. You would never see an attack by your party member coming. Yes, wolfman is a dick, and the attack -should not- have been allowed, but in the circumstances described, say in a more appropriate place (an npc who was actually a traitor for example) the reaction wouldn't happen.

[@tristunalekzander5608]

When I watch these, I realize I'm a very picky person, because I would have ghosted that guy after session 1 lol it's almost like these players felt like they _had_ to play this game, you should be playing to have fun.

[@AtelierGod]

Good thing I just made muffins.

[@black69071]

Honestly I wouldn't take any of this "Alpha" mentality seriously. 😂

[@wakkaseta8351]

I require the source of the thumbnail pic

[@Killintimepassinthru]

Feeding the algorithm: Comment #5, viewer 293 at 20 minutes after posting as of the start of the video.

[@Sanodi21]

I was wondering if Jess was being yanked around by Gunk and was to an extent, she still enabled him a lot and is responsible for a fair bit, which she accepted at the end while dropping Gunk. Though what's with the whole 'sigma male' stuff? Is it like the whole fake 'alpha wolf' nonsense where they claim to be a 'man's man' only to have stones in the negative size and are overcompensating?

[@gurmyigoll3535]

I think sigma male is a rebranded alpha male. I also believe the scientist who coined "alpha male" now regrets coining it, especially since that term was pretty much describing a wolf father i.e. the "alpha male of the wolf pack" was simply a wolf dad.

[@Sanodi21]

@@gurmyigoll3535 Yeah, he even passed still trying to remove the idea of alpha wolf since it was also from wolves in captivity IIRC. Along with the whole 'lone wolf' thing because it often leads to death if they aren't looking for another pack to join. Wolves hunt in packs for a reason

[@ArcCaravan]

​@@gurmyigoll3535I assumed "sigma male" was supposed to be someone with the supposed positives of an "alpha" but not conforming to conventional ideals.

[@VenathTehN3RD]

My understanding of the "Sigma male" label is that it's basically the trope of the grounded, confident, solitary, and often (but not always) stoic lone wolf type of personality. For example, characters like Dante from Devil May Cry, Cloud from Final Fantasy VII, or John Wick from the series of the same name - they all excel at what they do without really caring at all about status or power, and - while not particularly opposed to socializing on principle - generally tend towards either being loners or being a quieter and less social member of the team.

[@captaintalon4485]

+3 Dex and Wisdom, +2 strength, and a +1 to initiative on top of said dex mod. Oh and advantage on wisdom and dex saves No this would absolutely not fly in any DND game

[@Ian-e1s4h]

Dan is a true sigma

[@whitenekos]

Thoughts on gunk. Mainplayer syndrome Small ego child Definitely give off narcissist.

[@ArcCaravan]

Almost thought that was a haiku until counting the syllables.

[@fangslore9988]

add thief to that since he stole my wolfborn race from a worldbuilding discord server i was on to use for themselves, i cannot remember which one it was, i think it was the world forge or maybe the one connected to the worldbuilding reddit page but i left them because they were nearly dead and not very active. i posted the old versions there though i do have somewhat a revised version of the race established but i am angry that they basically ripped off another person's idea for their own use, in this case my hard work for the last 7 years

[@DTylerFultzVA]

Joke's on him. The whole "alpha wolf" thing? That's a myth. It was a misconception b/c the guy studying wolves only studied captive ones. In short, he tried to write a book about human nature after observing ONLY convicted felons. Wolves in the wild don't have any "alpha". The leaders of the pack aren't whoever's biggest or strongest, but the oldest breeding pair. Wolf packs are literally just "mom, dad, the kids, and their relatives". Also, ironically, guess what animal started the whole "alpha male" trend? Chickens. Not wolves, not gorillas...CHICKENS.

[@haveljohnson3799]

Dan and Jess’ pops are real Gs

[@nickerson1971]

They went a little too easy on Jess, she should never be allowed to DM with a SO as a player ever again... by current group that is. Fool me once and all that.

[@wolfherojohnson2766]

Who was the wolf guy on the thumbnail?

[@NibroktheOnryoMain]

Honestly though DnD sounds fun. How do I get into it?