Do 14 Speed Discs Actually Fly Farther?

[@jeffgood1580]

Usually I don’t nerd out on details but it’s awesome having someone teach DG that actually really knows what he’s saying. I’d love more drills we can work on. I find yours to be taught well and I think most of us trust what you have to say. Much appreciation 👊🏾

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Thank you brother, that's kind of you to say! I'll have more coming soon here 💪

[@thajakemaker]

Hey Dr. Krush, Minnesota Mitch here, comparing the speeds of the disc, along with the arms speed, has always been in my mind. Super cool that you touched on that a little bit. the tailwind explanation towards the end of the video made me curious, do I throw a slower Disc because of the tailwind, like if I normally throw an 11 speed should I throw a 9 speed? Very intriguing information stay cool Broham !

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

What's up! I'm glad to hear you liked it Mitch. If it's a strong tailwind you can certainly disc down, that should help with distance also predictability. And I hope the realty stuff is well!

[@thajakemaker]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Yes sir all is good, just testing out, tuff stuff! Anyways, I wanted to mention a thing I noticed after working with you on my form reviews. I have now noticed that I'm "parking" or over throwing 370'-400' holes when I'm playing my casual rounds. That's exciting!! I am also using less power to get there, meaning... I can play more holes/rounds and not be drained of energy! Also, I'm less sore due to the use body mechanics more efficiently! My form is not where my goals are, but you helped clean it up a S-ton! I'll be competing soon with more confidence thanks to you sir!! I will be Focusing on my "500' at over 50" real soon! Be Well

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@thajakemaker that's awesome stuff man, I love to hear it. All the hard work you put in with your practice sessions is paying off with those bombs on the course!

[@danielfish1255]

This was super awesome to watch. You reviews would be super interesting on drivers.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

🤝

[@NickCarroll]

Let's goooooooo.... (voice fades out into the sunset)

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

haha!

[@PMantle]

More people need to hear your point on the downwind throws.

[@ContentsMayDiffer]

The discussion is where it's at. Thanks.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

and thanks for watching!

[@Allan_Flows]

Awesome video.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

:D

[@seeballgetball937]

The 14 went further in this experiment

[@alexhickman2945]

Would love to see how the Innova Charger compared, potentially too understable for your arm speed but that disc goes far

[@andreasericsson6989]

Rim depth also matters quite a bit. A 24mm rim with 11mm rim depth has a sharper angle than a 25mm rim with a 12mm rim depth (for the same disc profile on both bevel and top plate, obviously, which will be close to impossible to compare).

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Agreed 👍at 6:48 into the vid you'll see that rim depth is one of the variables in my regression equation (along with width and configuration), where it contributes to an exponent-weighted slope angle using trig

[@mitchgrunwald-nb1bk]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit How did you derive that regression equation? I’m curious to know more, thanks.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@mitchgrunwald-nb1bk I started out with a semi-arbitrary, multi-term polynomial that related the disc dimensions to a general aerodynamic profile output so that drag would be loosely modeled. Then, I started tweaking the exponents for each term and sub-term to get the output to closely match trustable empirical speed ratings for some discs across the 5 speed to 14 speed range.

[@mitchgrunwald-nb1bk]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Very informative, thanks!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@mitchgrunwald-nb1bk 👍 you're welcome!

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

You might contact disc manufacturers and request them to provided you with different weights. If they want to sell their products your information is key. Because I guarantee weight matters! A LOT! So does the type of plastic. I have over 250 Discs. My 160 bubble boss consistently out drives all my other discs. I’m 66 years old. I live at 7,500 ft elevation. My max distance is 450. I’ve been playing for over thirty years. I train to play disc golf. Martial arts, calisthenics, stretching, diet and endurance training. I’m playing better than I’ve ever played. I’m in better condition than ever too, I’ve always been in great condition. Your videos are really good. Thank you

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Thanks for the support! Going with that lighter weight boss is really smart for how high your elevation is. 450 is bombing for anyone over 50 let alone 60, keep up the great work 👍

[@hiking7521]

Would be awesome if you did putter up to driver!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@hiking7521 agreed, that would be fun to see the distance progression!

[@hbloops]

Off topic, but i figured you might have some good insight here. In deadlift you un tilt your hips for a neutral spine (The tip ive used is to imagine lifting your belt buckle up with your hips). Is this also the correct spine alignment for a backhand throw?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

There's an interesting dichotomy between core bracing in lifting and rotational bracing in the backhand, with deadlifting we like to have a neutral to slightly extended lower spine, but in the backhand, you'll want more posterior pelvic tilt with more engaged abs, which will induce a slightly flexed/rounded spine from top to bottom.

[@hbloops]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Cool, thanks! I will try this out more, I think it might reduce lower back pain!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@hbloops 👍you're welcome!

[@wilmaterna4667]

got a max weight alex russel star boss....pure beef

[@pistevilleDG-x8v]

Really cool comparison. Would love to see what you do to Fizzy Dimension :D

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

I'm hoping to sooner than later :p

[@pistevilleDG-x8v]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Go for heavy if you are able to choose. I think I saw couple post on fb that the lighter were pretty flippy with 450ish armspeed.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@pistevilleDG-x8v 👍I got the hookup and have a 168g on the way thanks to a vendor that I'll be shouting out when I make the vid, so stay tuned :)

[@pistevilleDG-x8v]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Let’s goo! They start selling here in three days. So I know if I gotta spam that refresh button to get full weight 😂😂🤣

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@pistevilleDG-x8v haha for sure!

[@SeaBear161]

Does how flippy a disc is impact whether or not it’s appropriate for your arm speed, or just how fast it is? For example, I have a star destroyer that is basically a roller only disc at 60+ mph; would it net better distance for someone that has an arm speed slower than what a 12 speed might typically require, since the disc is so under stable they still get a nice s curve?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

You are exactly right, something that flippy would require so much hyzer angle for you that it would decrease arm speed and increase injury risk, so it's better suited for a less powerful player.

[@SeaBear161]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit yeah that makes sense, regarding that “lift threshold” you mentioned though, does under stability play into that?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@SeaBear161 there is a strong correlation between understability and glide (due to parting line height/airfoil camber), but beat up discs usually lose more stability than they gain glide so the lift threshold may likely be more dependent on the base speed rating and glide rating 👍

[@adambroussard8192]

Is there an order of operations you like to coach to focus on? Like which things give biggest bang for your buck / what to work on first.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

It is largely dependent on the individual's strengths and weaknesses in their current form, but more often than not involves cleaning up throwing arm and upper body mechanics before adding horsepower elsewhere.

[@andreasericsson6989]

Most important thing; Everyone is a study group of one. Try different discs and see which ones fly the furthest for you. For me, it's wide rim bastards, because my long fingers allow me to get a really good grip on them and tip them to pieces. For my short, small-handed friend, it's 21mm rims at the most, because his grip turns to garbage with anything wider.

[@tonyvillar23]

What is rim config? Where do you come up with it?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Rim configuration is a measure of the sharpness of the outside 5mm of a disc's edge, with a lower number being a sharper edge (26.0 is the PDGA legal minimum).

[@OkieTradez]

is that BOSS beat in?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

They were pretty much brand new when I recorded this vid 👍

[@MrFoodstuffs]

What is the rim config colum in the spreadsheet?

[@NickCarroll]

Rim configuration is the sharpness of the rim of the disc. The sharper the rim, the better it cuts through the air. The sharpest legal is 26. They generally get out to about 100 as max values for standard disc types, though vintage and super class discs can exceed that. For example the Super Nova from Innova has a sharpness rating of 112.5 but is not legal for PDGA sanctioned disc golf rounds. It's a larger, taller disc.

[@Andyofsuh]

Does the Pro boss go further than the emperor for you?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Yes, I had some throws with my Star Boss that were similar lines to the Emperor and the Boss went about 20-30ft further on average (for 73-75mph arm speed) 👍

[@Andyofsuh]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit i should try my bosses again.. lately been liking the nuke

[@VarietyDiscGolf]

I’ll hook you up with a fission dimension. Let me know where to send it 👍

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

thank you, that's super nice of you to offer! I'll DM you on Instagram so we can get that all sorted out

[@mizzougrad001]

I wish i was 7 ft tall with gorilla armspan so i could throw far 😢

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

hahaha, I bet you can still do it though! There are some bombers well under 6ft like GG, Emerson Keith, and McBeth to name a few

[@TheTiredWanderer]

I've been saying wemby (basketball player) with a 7'3'' height and a 8'' wingspan (standing reach of nearly 10) would demolish a disc. but the dude makes like millions in the NBA so I don't think the tour life is for him haha

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@TheTiredWanderer I'd love to see what he could do with some solid technique! Hardest part for him might be finding a comfortable grip with his hand size

[@TheTiredWanderer]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit 17 speed discs inc for him

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@TheTiredWanderer 😂 17 speed minimum

[@luftisbollen]

The speed on the disc is the speed of your arm speed, as they suppose to fly, but if you are a kid its way more overstable.

[@smiggyballs6636]

what bro