Do Catholics Worship Mary? | The Catholic Talk Show

[@SaltedHope]

I was raised protestant and am a Catholic convert. Loving Mary has deepened my faith in Christ exponentially

[@eiontactics9056]

You didn't "love" Mary when being a Christian? Love does not mean worship, or to disobey Jesus. I love Mary enough to listen to Jesus Christ. Jesus tells us that when we pray to pray to our Father (Matt 6). We also learn that we only have one Intercessor for our prayers, the Holy Spirit itself. ❤ 🙏

[@manweller1]

Do you love Christ or do you love Mary? I'd love to know

[@eiontactics9056]

@Mandatory-Idiocracy It is sad. It was a blessing in disguise for you though! Now you can grow in Christ. The Roman Catholic church is a snare for many.

[@Ziiphyr]

@@manweller1yes

[@TRACTS4JESUS]

sad u was u need JESUS not mary

[@bienamlmendros1688]

Jesus Christ is our only intercessor. Hebrews 7:25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

[@phoenix21studios]

I would ask my friends to pray for me....but not my dead friends. Paul nor Peter never gives this instruction either.

[@DevilsReject765]

Jesus is the only one who hears are prayers.

[@ColdWarPrepper]

I'll give you two reasons why Protestants don't ask before accusing 1. Paul Simon's "The Boxer" 1968ish? first stanza last two lines - "Man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" and 2. Will Rogers - "it isn't what you know that gets you in trouble, but, what you think you know that just isn't so".

[@roddycavin4600]

Exactly. I know it's wrong but I actually wind these people up now. I tell them we worship clay too and that I'm forever asking my teacup to grant me three wishes

[@Beanskieee]

It gives them a reason to keep on protesting cause that's all they got

[@lois2997]

@@Beanskieee their pastors would be out of jobs if they had the truth so they keep lying to their flock. I hope they know how God deals with those who deliberately deceive

[@peterzinya1]

@@lois2997 decieve, you mean like the devilish CC telling its flock that they have to pay for some of their sins by burning in some fire somewhere because jesus sacrifice wasnt enough.

[@thelvin28]

@@peterzinya1 true! I think they call it plenary indulgences. You have to complete pilgrimages, visit cathedrals and sites that had miracles so that you get merit points from the Treasury of Merits in heaven, which only the Infallible Pope, the Vicar of Christ, has the key to unlock and distribute to everyone.

[@jonathangoodwin646]

I'm a Convert. I was baptized in the Catholic Church. I was 22 years old. 1979.. I used to be Baptist. One of the problems in the baptist, which I have noticed. They teach. You can never lose yourself Salvation. Now I'm 66. So I've been in the church for 45 years. I was active in the Catholic church for . I did many confessions when I came back. I was gone proximity 9 or10 years. Did all my confessions? I have been back for 14 weeks.. And put taking holy communion. To one that got me to come back to the church. Was father mic on KZbin? I've always topics I have learned more for me. I'm an idea the on the classes coming into the church. One thing I learned when we partake of the holy communion. It's the body and blood of Jesus Christ.. I did not know that I thought it was Symbol. I also learn We do not worship Mary we honor her. I have learned so much from father Mike. Better not get my classes before I came to the church.

[@peterzinya1]

You traded a belief in the invisible god for a face full of crackers. It takes all kinds.

[@catherinemcdavid1533]

@Mandatory-Idiocracy Apparently you have not read the Didache' or the Apostolic constitutions (not just in the one Catholic church that came out of Romer, there are 24 churches under the umbrella of the Universal (Catholic)Church. Didache's is actually late first century/early second century. Please stop misrepresenting what Catholics believe, worry about what you have lost through the protestant deconstruction of truth. Instead of listening to a pastor or yourself, check for yourselves.

[@YanVibz]

Why do we have to ask Mary and the saints to intercede for us when we have Jesus Christ as the only mediator between God and men? ‭‭(1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬) Asking other believers (on earth) to pray for us is certainly biblical (2 Corinthians 1:11; Ephesians 1:16; Philippians 1:19; 2 Timothy 1:3). The apostle Paul asks other Christians to pray for him in Ephesians 6:19. BUT the Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking someone in heaven to pray for him or her. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth and gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. Whenever the Bible mentions praying to or speaking with the dead, it is in a negative context involving activities the Bible strongly condemns (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13; 1 Samuel 28:7-19). Praying to Mary or the saints is completely different from asking a friend here on earth to pray for us. Asking people on earth to pray for us has a strong biblical basis; asking the heavenly saints or Mary to pray has no biblical basis whatsoever.

[@laurademichaelhall8807]

I don’t pray to Mother Mary I just talk to her as I would my Mother With The Highest Esteem

[@eiontactics9056]

Do you say this prayer like your "church" does?: MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION BEGAN, DESTINED TO BRING, THROUGH THE LIGHT OF YOUR DAWNING, CONQUEST OF SATAN AND RESCUE TO MAN. REFRAIN: BEND FROM YOUR THRONE AT THE VOICE OF OUR CRYING LOOK TO THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FOOTSTEPS HAVE TROD STRETCH OUT YOUR ARMS TO US, LIVING AND DYING, MARY IMMACULATE, MOTHER OF GOD. WE SINNERS HONOUR YOUR SINLESS PERFECTION FALLEN AND WEAK, FOR GOD'S MERCY WE PLEAD. GRANT US THE SHIELD OF YOUR MIGHTY PROTECTION. MEASURE YOUR AID BY THE DEPTH OF OUR NEED. (REFRAIN) ---yep... just sounds like "talking" to Mary... doesn't sound anything like blasphemous worship...

[@kevinkane9446]

Mary can't hear you, she does not have the ability to hear the prayer of millions of people

[@peterzinya1]

@@kevinkane9446 My Mary statue is alive and really is Mary. She told me to hop on her back and she will carry me to heaven, when she stops crying.

[@kevinkane9446]

@@peterzinya1 Really? Mine did too... Except when I hoped on we didn't go anywhere.

[@ivana6828]

The first one minute has already answered the question and I love it. This is the most common questions I've heard from my non-Catholic friends

[@YanVibz]

Why do we have to ask Mary and the saints to intercede for us when we have Jesus Christ as the only mediator between God and men? (1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬) Asking other believers (on earth) to pray for us is certainly biblical (2 Corinthians 1:11; Ephesians 1:16; Philippians 1:19; 2 Timothy 1:3). The apostle Paul asks other Christians to pray for him in Ephesians 6:19. BUT the Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking someone in heaven to pray for him or her. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth and gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. Whenever the Bible mentions praying to or speaking with the dead, it is in a negative context involving activities the Bible strongly condemns (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13; 1 Samuel 28:7-19). Praying to Mary or the saints is completely different from asking a friend here on earth to pray for us. Asking people on earth to pray for us has a strong biblical basis; asking the heavenly saints or Mary to pray has no biblical basis whatsoever.

[@janetandrews1306]

So well explained!!

[@BrettNarzinski]

This is a great video! I think there's a pt.2 to the question though. Not just "why do Catholics pray through Mary" but where does this doctrine come from? and Where can we point to in scripture to confirm this and grow in faith and understanding of the importance?

[@sometimescharlotte5243]

That's exactly it❤ the Blessed Mother always intercedes on our behalf when we call upon her.

[@eiontactics9056]

Bible verse? Because your statement contradicts what the Apostles taught: Romans 8:26-27 King James Version 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

As it is written... ummm... Oh wait. It's not written. Neither Jesus nor the apostles knew anything about this practice.

[@peterzinya1]

@@GizmoFromPizmo Catholics are bewitched. Thats the only explanation.

[@eve3363]

You are correct. Mary in the Catholic Church is Isis and she does intercede on your behalf. She intercedes your relationship with God and Christ and sends you straight to Satan.

[@joangelica8024]

I can't tell you how often this statement has been brought up to me as a Catholic. Particularly in last few years as my area has sprouted a handful of " born again mega churches". The sad thing is a coworker of mine, new to this country, said he went to mass and while he found it beautiful but he couldn't get over the way we worship Mary. 😢😮

[@johnflorio3576]

How would someone go to Mass and claim we worship Mary? The entire Mass is offered by the priest through Jesus to the Father.

[@joangelica8024]

@@johnflorio3576 I thought the same. All I think is that idea was stuck in their head and they accepted it as fact.

[@eiontactics9056]

Maybe it's because we read blasphemous prayers from Catholic websites and then see people bowing at Mary's feet. Is this prayer I pulled randomly from a Catholic website not blasphemous worship?: please explain how it isn't. MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION BEGAN, DESTINED TO BRING, THROUGH THE LIGHT OF YOUR DAWNING, CONQUEST OF SATAN AND RESCUE TO MAN. REFRAIN: BEND FROM YOUR THRONE AT THE VOICE OF OUR CRYING LOOK TO THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FOOTSTEPS HAVE TROD STRETCH OUT YOUR ARMS TO US, LIVING AND DYING, MARY IMMACULATE, MOTHER OF GOD. WE SINNERS HONOUR YOUR SINLESS PERFECTION FALLEN AND WEAK, FOR GOD'S MERCY WE PLEAD. GRANT US THE SHIELD OF YOUR MIGHTY PROTECTION. MEASURE YOUR AID BY THE DEPTH OF OUR NEED. (REFRAIN)

[@peterzinya1]

@@eiontactics9056 No Mary worship there (;-D

[@catherinemcdavid1533]

How was there Mary worship at mass? Mary is mentioned once in the penitential act ask her, all the angels and saints and our brothers and sisters to pray for us to the Lord, Our God. Maybe once again... but never worshiping her.

[@ir3450]

The questions isn't do we worship Mary or pray through her.... the question is why do pray to marry. She was amazing but you must realize that Mary does not hear us. There is nothing in scripture that tells us she should be used to intercede. The Bible does say that we have a direct line to The Lord and no need to have a relay communication. Also Jesus said to let the dead bury the dead. Focus on God Mary has passed and has no ears to hear you. No scripture says that she was given special abilities to intercede. Search in your heart.

[@carlosgarza1962]

Do you pray for any of your family or friends? If so what are you doing? Are you interceding on their behalf? If not then what are you doing?

[@505Lucky7]

I don’t know if we’ll ever be able to stop addressing this question. Glad there are videos like this I can post to speak truth to those who are perplexed.

[@eiontactics9056]

Nothing they said is sufficient to address how disobeying Jesus and the Apostles is okay... Fact is, the act of praying to Mary undermines the Gospel of Jesus Christ! In Matt 6, Jesus tells us Who to pray to (our Father), how not to pray (like the heathen) and even gives us an example of how our prayers should look like everytime we pray. We also learn that we have one intercessor for our prayers, because we often do not know what we should pray for as we ought... the Holy Spirit itself! Nevermind that praying to Mary or anyone else other than God is idolatry!... Just the thought of thinking it is okay to pray to Mary or others is proof by implication that you do not know or understand the Scriptures. This is very important, because no born again Christian would ever even think of praying to anyone else but God.

[@manweller1]

Educate me because I can't find anywhere in the scriptures that supports you argument.

[@eiontactics9056]

@@manweller1 They have their faith in vain in an apostate church that is not of Christ. Lost souls that don't know God.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@eiontactics9056 - This is why Catholicism rules out the scriptures. There is not enough shucking and jiving you can do to get around the word of God. "Hyperdulia" is a made up word to get around saying "worship". All that Roman thing is, is just another counterfeit Christianity. Changing names and sprinkling a little Jesus here and there is the world's religion way of justifying herself. "Oh, it must be Christian because it says Jesus a few times here and there." Labels do NOT make truth. Labels are often used to sell lies. Government and religion (two sides of the same coin) use labels all the time to slink past the uninitiated. Those who know the truth cannot be taken in by obvious weasel words like "venerate" or "hyperdulia".

[@YanVibz]

Why do we have to ask Mary and the saints to intercede for us when we have Jesus Christ as the only mediator between God and men? ‭‭(1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬) Asking other believers (on earth) to pray for us is certainly biblical (2 Corinthians 1:11; Ephesians 1:16; Philippians 1:19; 2 Timothy 1:3). The apostle Paul asks other Christians to pray for him in Ephesians 6:19. BUT the Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking someone in heaven to pray for him or her. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth and gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. Whenever the Bible mentions praying to or speaking with the dead, it is in a negative context involving activities the Bible strongly condemns (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13; 1 Samuel 28:7-19). Praying to Mary or the saints is completely different from asking a friend here on earth to pray for us. Asking people on earth to pray for us has a strong biblical basis; asking the heavenly saints or Mary to pray has no biblical basis whatsoever.

[@XxOptimalAcesxX]

Mary lived a perfect life? Doesn’t that make her equal to God?

[@ElsaBorzoi]

Great example about the King vs. going to the queen mother. It makes sense!

[@jonathangoodwin646]

I'm a practicing catholic I do not pray to mary . I ask Mary. To talk to her son Jesus Christ when I'm having a problem. So I'm not directly praying to Mary. I'm asking her to talk to her son Jesus Christ. For help when I'm having a problem?

[@in_defense_of_the_church]

@@Jesus.loves.you.123 it’s in the verse right after the one that teaches to strictly “do only what you find in Scripture.” Find that verse first and then read the following one and you’ll find it.

[@in_defense_of_the_church]

Brother when we are ignorant to certain things sometimes that ignorance makes us say some incoherent things. The word “prayer” has TWO meanings. One is the one we all know which is to worship. The other is one Protestants don’t know and apparently some Catholics don’t know it either; ask, petition, or request. You just said you are a practicing Catholic that does not pray to Mary but you pray (ask) Mary. So you contradicted yourself.

[@southernlady1109]

Prayer comes from the Latin word precarious which means to request. We pray to God directly, but the more we have praying for us the better. Jesus said where two or more are gathered in His name, He is there in the midst of them. Virgin Mary is the one who intervened at the wedding at Cana. (Lk 2:3-11)Who better to ask for help than our heavenly mother (Rev 12:17), than the mother of our God(Lk 1:31,35,43, 2:7)

[@fred3893]

@@Jesus.loves.you.123 You might have to explain what you mean by this. I have heard different interpretations of what it means to 'pray in the name of Jesus Christ' from 'Protestant' sources. If you can clarify what YOU think this phrase means then I will try and answer you to the best of my ability.

[@in_defense_of_the_church]

@@Jesus.loves.you.123 Many of our prayers end with, “per christum dominum nostrum” (through Christ our Lord.) so yes we do pray to Jesus so our prayers go to the Father. The prayers that don’t end like that are petitionary prayers where we ask the person both here on earth or in heaven to “pray for us.” Thereafter, when they pray they will be praying to the Lord so the prayers may too reach God. I don’t see where that becomes confusing.

[@judahbrutus]

Mary doesn't hear your prayers and would be appalled that anyone would pray to her or treat her like she is some sort of sinless deity. I have been in Catholics houses that have huge alters to Mary which they pray to with candles. It's literally pagan worship and is so sad to see from people who call themselves Christians.

[@caseyvaler6199]

Another Bible text that says Jesus Christ is the only mediator between men and God. 1 Timothy 2:5. So we should only ask Jesus directly for our intercession or requests. We should not ask Mary to pray for us for our intercessions. We can ask God directly .

[@bengoolie5197]

Yup, prots like to shout that verse in the face of Catholics, but it is a funny thing, because the prots never finish the sentence, which is completed in verse 6. 1 Tim. 2:5-6. "For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: who gave Himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due times." So there are many mediators with authority to mediate, but only Christ is the mediator who gave Himself a redemption for all. Judges have authority to mediate labor disputes and civil cases, and saints have authority to mediate on our behalf to God.

[@joykwa3416]

Catholic truth Bryan Mercier about exodus 20

[@joby4jesus]

The idea that God chose Mary to conceive the Son of God in her womb is indeed a profound and central aspect of the Christian faith. It signifies a great blessing on her, as she became a vessel for God's ultimate purpose of salvation on earth. However, it is crucial to differentiate between acknowledging Mary's role in the divine plan and worshiping her. It is undeniable that Catholics worship Mother Mary. Just to escape arguments, they often say we don't worship; instead, we pray to Mary for intercession. Just look into the Bible and see that this contradicts the biblical teaching of worshiping God alone. The presence of a statue of Mother Mary inside the church and the act of bowing down to them, as well as burning candles in front of them, are cited as examples of what appears to be worship. The question that arises is whether such practices align with the teachings and actions of Jesus and his disciples, especially after his death and resurrection. It is notable that there is no explicit biblical evidence of the disciples engaging in similar acts of veneration toward Mary or any other figures. The emphasis in the Bible seems to be on worshiping God directly. Don't you think that such practices might stray from the fundamental commandments of God? Isaiah 45:5 says, "I am the LORD, and there is none else; there is no God beside me." And any practices that may appear to elevate Mary to divine status could be seen as potentially conflicting with this command. *AND IT'S A SIN AGAINST GOD... REPENT*

[@irishgirlintexas]

When we started going to our parish here, we stopped going to a non-denominational church. The pastor asked me on Facebook messenger if we were okay, since he hadn't seen or heard from us in awhile. I told him we were attending at the Catholic church in town, and I'd been trying to work out how to tell him about it. Aside from concern for us falling in idolatry (like Catholics have some monopoly on that🙄), he also expressed concern for my husband's sobriety as a recovering addict. That was a bit much to swallow, and I still haven't said a word to him. I feel like I've forgiven him from a distance, and that if I were to do that in person, it would just stir everything up again.

[@southernlady1109]

There are people who slander Gods One True Apostolic Catholic Church because of their misconceptions and ignorance. God bless you and your family and welcome home. The Catholic Church is the only one started by God Himself. The only one He gave His authority, power and Sacraments to. The Catholic Mass is the only place on earth The Transubstantiation occurs. The only one with a direct succession of Popes dating back to Peter, Jesus Christs apostle. The only one to successfully perform exorcisms.

[@eiontactics9056]

​@@southernlady1109Really? I think following an apostate church that teaches doctrines/traditions that go against Christ and the Apostles are the ones slandering God! The church of Romanism is an apostate church. You have to be ignorant of Scripture or have cognitive dissonance to think the Roman Catholic Church is the same one Jesus and the Apostles founded! Here is a good example out of many: In Matt 6, Jesus tells us that everytime we pray to pray to our Father that sees in secret and rewards us openly, that knows what we need of before we ask Him. We also learn from the Apostles that we have one intercessor for our prayers, The Holy Spirit itself: Romans 8:26-27 King James Version 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. So, in light of this I have questions: 1.) Why do you pray to Mary when it disobeys Christ and the Apostles? 2.) Would the "true Church" of Christ teach doctrines/traditions that go against what Christ and the Apostles taught?

[@southernlady1109]

@@eiontactics9056 Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church does live His Commandments, Sacraments, Teaching-Doctrine. ALL other Christian Churches broke away from His Church and doctrine.

[@peterzinya1]

@@southernlady1109 Since when did Jesus tell us to make graven images and get on our knees befor them? You catholics are wack.

[@catherinemcdavid1533]

@@eiontactics9056 Here's a few questions for you: 1) Why do you ask your friends or possibly your pastor to pray for you? 2)Why would you ask your family and friends, CREATURES (another human) to pray for you? 3) Are they more powerful than Jesus are the Apostles? When a Catholic prays the Hail Mary, they are asking Mary to pray for them. Most of the Hail Mary is in the Bible word for word and spoken by an Angel. God didn't condemn the Angel Gabriel for saying, "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee." We are asking her to pray for us. The Rosary, is a contemplative prayer, focusing on the life of Jesus Christ at different points in directly from the Bible, a pilgrimage through the eyes of the Savior's mother from the Annunciation by the Angel Gabriel, through Jesus's life, death, and resurrection. Mary is the ONLY human to know him from conception until his ascension to the Father. 4) There is nothing contrary to the doctrines/teachings of the Church established by Jesus Christ and his Apostles. I can assure you there is no Catholic that has ever loved, respected, or honored Mary more than Jesus Christ and His Apostles.

[@SaintlySaavy]

A launching point I have had are these: What do you consider worship? (leads to: do protestants even worship?, do they have photos, go to Japan, pray for others?) Have they ever been to a Catholic Mass, follow up to above.

[@JesusLovesYouBro7]

Jesus is the only mediator between humanity and God -God

[@AN-nl9pu]

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" 1 Timothy 2:5 What will it take for Catholics to believe the RCC is corrupt? My ancestors left when the pope sold tickets to heaven for profit. The pope now blesses "same-sex unions." Where is your line in the sand?

[@zanecote]

It bothers me whenever I tell a “Christian” that we ask Mary for prayers, and they respond “no you pray to her”. It’s like are they actually listening to what I am saying? Obviously not. They’re just trying to reaffirm their delusions.

[@holyfamilycrusader3512]

I think it’s often more of a misunderstanding on their part - but sure some of them may be malicious

[@eve3363]

Mary is dead. She has no idea what is going on.

[@holyfamilycrusader3512]

@@eve3363 all saints in Heaven can hear us

[@zanecote]

@@eve3363 Jesus Christ destroyed Death when he died for us on the Cross.

[@eve3363]

@@zanecote How when people are still dying? We all have to die our first death due to the sin of Adam. However, our second death is optional. Jesus' death and resurrection gave us two choices: to die eternally or to live eternally.

[@lesawood52]

Why would you use Mary as an intermediary when you can go directly to Christ? Jesus even knows your prayer and needs before you even ask. Philippians 4:5 let your requests be made known to God; Matthew 6:6 Jesus says- go to your room, close the door and pray to your Father; while Steven is being stoned, he sees Jesus on the right hand of the Father and talks to Him. , Paul says to call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and Jesus gives us The Lords Prayer and there are so many more examples. Direct, a straight line, is what the Bible shows us. And I’m not saying that you should not pray for others because we all should but my prayer for someone else is direct to God.

[@catherinemcdavid1533]

Do you ask your friends to pray for you?

[@davidcole333]

These arguments are so old and tired. And of course they throw out proof texts. Sad, so sad.

[@robert-de-calvary]

@@catherinemcdavid1533 so you pray to Mary so she prays on your behalf to Jesus? Why not to pray to Jesus directly if you are praying already anyway? Don't make much sense.

[@thatcatholicgirlhelena]

Where in the Bible does Jesus restrict us or forbids us from coming to Him through our friends or loved one's or neighbours? Did Jesus ever forbid us from asking someone to pray to Him ON OUR BEHALF?

[@supermanandbatmanishere]

someone cant pray for you on your behalf and praying to the dead is different @@thatcatholicgirlhelena

[@CoachTheoFMU]

Still doesn’t make sense. Why pray to Mary when you can go straight to Jesus? Where does this practice come from? Is it biblical?

[@peterzinya1]

Its not biblical, its anti biblical. The more antichrist something is, the more catholics love it. But dont worry, they have built in excuses why they do all these things.

[@thelvin28]

Christ is the only Mediator. He died for our sins and so that we have direct access to God, through Him. The immaculate conception didn’t stay until 1854. And, it wasn’t until 1950 that they said Mary’s bodily assumption into heaven. Speechless!

[@asalrxa]

Why does the catholic church say that Mary was sinless , when the bible says only Jesus knew know sin

[@SandlapperSam]

Guess no one could answer that one.

[@zemneo6485]

In reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I'm seeing that it's Catholic teaching that she is free from the stain of original sin. I'm not seeing that the Catholic Church is claiming that she never sinned. Something like that could never be verified.

[@SandlapperSam]

@@zemneo6485 how can you confirm that Jesus never sinned? Because the Bible says so. That’s how you find the answer to any question concerning the truth. Catholics add to the Bible and to the Gospel. They rely on teachings and understanding of men rather than the word of God. The Papacy had final authority in the Catholic Church not God or Jesus.

[@SandlapperSam]

@@asalrxa all Christians are washed by the blood of Jesus and are free from the stain of original sin. What makes marry any different. Why would you need to say that if the Bible says every believers sins have been washed away? However the Catholics set Mary on a pedestal. That’s not Christian.

[@asalrxa]

@SandlapperSam we hold her in a high regard just as christ did, she litteraly birthed our Lord and Savior. The fact you guys treat her like she's nobody blows my mind

[@afribear]

I'm a Protestant that's drawn to Catholicism,. A "Dummy's Guide" would be very helpful. We don't engage with saints that have passed and only pray to God. I know that there was only one church before the split between Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians and later the Reformation. It would help to know what current Catholic practices were carried out before the split. Regards from South Africa, Stéfan

[@markv1974]

Pray is actually jjst to ask for something. Ask a lawyer - they always have prayers in their pleadings. Idolatry is not praying but worshipping an idol. Worship is offering sacrifice. We only offer sacrifice to God - in the mass thru the eucharist. Protestant dont have offer sacrifices to God becuae they have no eucharist.

[@afribear]

@@markv1974 I am busy familiarising myself with Catholic practices. I'm a 'bridge builder' by nature and believe that common ground between Catholics and Protestants can be found if Catholics highlight to Protestants all the traditions, sacraments etc that existed prior to the church split, when there was only one formal church. Protestants can then not argue and say this or that is wrong if it was part of the church for a millennium..

[@eiontactics9056]

I would read your Bible first and pray to God for guidance. Romanism is not the same church as Jesus and the Apostles. It is an apostate church. "Church" is not something you choose to join... it is the body of Christ that you are placed into when you are baptized by the Holy Spirit. Also, here is a good verse that proves Romanism has no excuse to why they pray to Mary for her intercession: Romans 8:26-27 King James Version 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

[@eiontactics9056]

​@@markv1974You have no idea what you are talking about. "Prayer" as used in Scripture is an act of worship... as in Matthew 6 where Jesus tells us Who to pray to everytime we pray. Our Father. Also, we learn that the Holy Spirit itself intercedes for the prayers of the saints!: Romans 8:26-27 King James Version 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

[@peterzinya1]

@@afribear protestants want nothing to do with catholicism and their pervert costume holymen and their graven images.

[@Spirit1443]

Thank you for your reply

[@GolDRoger-fx2fp]

There is no verse we should pray to Mary. Only Jesus can intercede to our prayers. We should only give respect to Mary to be the most blessed women in the world.

[@peterzinya1]

She is blessed among women, not above women.

[@GolDRoger-fx2fp]

@@peterzinya1 yes. We should only WORSHIP GOD/JESUS nothing more nothing less.

[@torqstranger1]

If you look at the bloodline of David, Mary and Joseph were his descendants, David was called a man after God's own heart because he loved God's Law. Then why do you not consider David and Joseph Even Jesus said when He was told His mother and Brothers are looking for you, He said, here is my mother and here is my brother's pointing to His disciples Jesus considered all who do the Will of His Father as his mother and Brothers. Mary was bound to Jesus because she was His mother, but she knew what His purpose was

[@Pete.Ty1]

🙏🙏🙏 Thank you.

[@Spirit1443]

I don't understand we would pray to Mary as an intercessor when scripture never advices us to but clearly states that Jesus is our great intercessor and through Jesus we pray to our heavenly Father what I don't understand is why we need an intercessor to pray to our intercessor? We pray to God in Jesus name and not in Mary's name. According to the Bible.

[@NotSoCradleCatholic]

We ask Mary to pray for us just as you’d ask a family member or friend to pray for you. She’s not an intercessor, she is assisting us in prayer.

[@davidcole333]

You don't "need" an intercessor other than Christ, but as Christians, we belong to the body of Christ, both in this life and the next...asking a saint for Mary to pray for you is no different than asking anyone else to pray for you. Intercessory prayer is very Biblical. Understand where your place is in the universe and understand that you are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses as a Christian.

[@nickrkr]

I think many of the problems with any beliefs arise when we try to Read something into the Scripture that isn't there.. You need follow the Teaching of Christ and and there are the Epistles to deepen your understanding about the Work of Christ.. None of them even hint of any other deity/Medeator other than Christ.. If it was of any importance i am sure it would have been mentioned in the Scripture... Why not leave our differences aside and focus on what Scripture has to say

[@jonathangoodwin646]

When someone's asking the question why do we pray to Mary all those questions come from the internet they're not? Even talking to you face-to-face.

[@eiontactics9056]

Why do you pray to Mary? When Jesus clearly told us that when we pray to pray to our Father that sees in secret and knows what we need of before we ask Him. (Matt 6) We also learn from the Apostles that we have one intercessor for our prayers, the Holy Spirit itself: Romans 8:26-27 King James Version 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Please explain to me your reasoning to disobey Christ and to not listen to the Apostles by praying to Mary.

[@redchariots5428]

Thank you!

[@lisaherrling6880]

Just as the moon reflects the light of the sun, Mary reflects the Light of THE SON.

[@PaxChristi7]

I love this idea and it has definitely helped me. Just as we understand that moonlight is a reflection of sunlight and not from the moon itself, so to does Mary’s power and authority come from Christ and not Mary herself. So by loving and honoring Mary, we are inherently loving and honoring God. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@PaxChristi7]

I love this idea and it has definitely helped me. Just as we understand that moonlight is a reflection of sunlight and not from the moon itself, so to does Mary’s power and authority come from Christ and not Mary herself. So by loving and honoring Mary, we are inherently loving and honoring God. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@peterzinya1]

@@PaxChristi7 Mary Mary Mary, that all you idolatrous catholics can think about is some virgin queen of heaven.

[@exodus3518]

As a person raised catholic, it seems like more than prayer, but worship.

[@owenduck]

I'm not convinced there is a need to bring Mary between myself and christ?

[@davidcole333]

Then pray about it. You don't need confirmation from KZbin.

[@southernlady1109]

Catholics do not worship Virgin Mary. We love, honor and respect her as God does. We ask her for prayers like we ask our own mother, family and friends. Virgin Mary is our heavenly mother Rev 12:17. Prayer comes from the Latin word precarious which means to request. We pray directly to God, but it helps to have as many prayers as we can. Who better to ask? God said where two or more are gathered, He’s there amongst them. Besides, she is with Him in Heaven as she has eternal life.

[@Kelless629]

Perfectly said…🤍

[@eiontactics9056]

Hmmm.. except we can easily look up your prayers to Mary and know that either you are confused or trying to confuse: Does this sound like "veneration" or blasphemous worship to you?: MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION BEGAN, DESTINED TO BRING, THROUGH THE LIGHT OF YOUR DAWNING, CONQUEST OF SATAN AND RESCUE TO MAN. REFRAIN: BEND FROM YOUR THRONE AT THE VOICE OF OUR CRYING LOOK TO THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FOOTSTEPS HAVE TROD STRETCH OUT YOUR ARMS TO US, LIVING AND DYING, MARY IMMACULATE, MOTHER OF GOD. WE SINNERS HONOUR YOUR SINLESS PERFECTION FALLEN AND WEAK, FOR GOD'S MERCY WE PLEAD. GRANT US THE SHIELD OF YOUR MIGHTY PROTECTION. MEASURE YOUR AID BY THE DEPTH OF OUR NEED. (REFRAIN)

[@southernlady1109]

@@eiontactics9056 AGAIN, we do not worship Virgin Mary, period! We love, honor and respect her as God does. She is the Mother of God, the Arc of the New Covenant, Queen of Heaven and earth and our beautiful Mother. You apparently don’t understand our veneration of her. Visit CatholicAnswers online or consult a Catholic Priest. Why are you trolling Catholic videos if you’re anti Catholic anti God?

[@eiontactics9056]

@@southernlady1109 You never answered my question. I can prove that you worship Mary. I can also prove that you disobey Christ and the Apostles. Now, please. Answer my first question before we continue. That prayer I posted came from a Catholic website. Does that prayer sound like just "honor" to Mary or blasphemous worship? And explain your answer.

[@southernlady1109]

@@eiontactics9056 I did

[@JT11967]

The problem with Mary is quite simple. 1. It's not mentioned in the Bible that we should pray to Mary let alone she could simultaneously hear the prayers of everyone that prays to her. Mary is not omnipresent like God. 2. You use the example of one asking others to pray for them or intercede to God on his/her behalf. But do we request the same from the very same people once they are no longer alive? No. 3. Christ already redeemed us on the cross. It is already done. Christ is not some distance figure that we need Mary to make our prayers heard by God. We pray directly to our father in heaven.

[@cjtaylor6639]

???

[@julsshan]

Good points😊

[@nickw9766]

The idea that it is already finished and that we don’t need to do anything as simply untrue.

[@alexmason8557]

​@@nickw9766We are saved through faith and faith alone. Did jesus said to pray to marry?

[@nickw9766]

@@alexmason8557 um no. I can see that you misspelled Mary. May God help you! I will answer your question if you can answer this. Did you see Jesus carrying a Bible around? No we aren’t saved through faith alone. If we accept God’s love, we rejoice to share Christ’s sufferings (1 Pt 4:13), for the cross is the key to the door of faith. That is a good deed is it not? Farther more, look at Acts 14:22, “strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.”

[@kkuster1]

Depends on how you want to define worship.Most protestant churches have just two sacraments. Not because they don't believe in the other five things Catholics consider sacraments but because we define "sacrament" differently. `You are being less than genuine in your argument with protestants. For the protestant, to ask for an intercession from a saint is a form of worship.

[@fred3893]

You say, 'For the protestant, to ask for an intercession from a saint is a form of worship.' Why is this if you know that the saint is a creature, not the creator? Why is it a form of worship when you are not worshipping the saint? (Genuine Question).

[@kkuster1]

@@fred3893 Hi Fred. That's a thoughtful and legit question. For many protestants that would come back to "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus;" -I Timothy 2:5) To ask for intercession for many would be to deny that Jesus is enough, that he's less than capable to mediate or intercede for us. For some protestants the idea of intercession would be totally foreign because the thought is that the dead are in they grave, silent and old until the judgement. I feel I probably didn't answer your question well, but it's a start.

[@fred3893]

@@kkuster1 Thank you for your reply. I hope you don't mind if I seek further clarification. You say that Jesus is the only mediator between God and Man, which Catholics absolutely agree with (It is written repeatedly in our Catechism). You say that 'to ask for intercession for many would be to deny that Jesus is enough, that he's less than capable to mediate or intercede for us.' I can see what you mean but Catholics believe scripture makes it clear that we SHOULD intercede for others. Some examples include the following: Philippians 1:19 'For I know that through your prayers AND the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance' (Here, the word, AND, makes it clear that intercession by others can contribute to a person's 'deliverance') Colossians 4:3 "At the same time, pray also for us, that God may open to us a door for the word, to declare the mystery of Christ' (Here, Paul is openly asking others to intercede for him. Why doesn't he ask Christ himself? The answer, of course, is that he did, but he also knew that the prayers of others would build on his own prayers) These passages (and others) show that the early Church openly taught that we should intercede towards Christ on the behalf of others. Catholics believe that this is not diminishing Christ, it is acknowledging that he wants us to be a COMMUNITY of believers. It certainly does NOT suggest that the person we are asking to pray for us is, on any level, as divine as Christ. Now I know some believe that Mary and the saints are 'Dead' and can not hear us. That is a seperate issue, and one that I will be happy to engage in if necessary. I hope, however, that you can see why Catholics believe that prayerful intercession on the behalf of others is scriptural. Thank you for your polite reply. Please let me know you think my response shows that I have missed something.

[@eiontactics9056]

Most Roman Catholics are ignorant or have cognitive dissonance. Here is a prayer to Mary I pulled from a Catholic website. You tell me if this isn't blasphemous worship: MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION BEGAN, DESTINED TO BRING, THROUGH THE LIGHT OF YOUR DAWNING, CONQUEST OF SATAN AND RESCUE TO MAN. REFRAIN: BEND FROM YOUR THRONE AT THE VOICE OF OUR CRYING LOOK TO THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FOOTSTEPS HAVE TROD STRETCH OUT YOUR ARMS TO US, LIVING AND DYING, MARY IMMACULATE, MOTHER OF GOD. WE SINNERS HONOUR YOUR SINLESS PERFECTION FALLEN AND WEAK, FOR GOD'S MERCY WE PLEAD. GRANT US THE SHIELD OF YOUR MIGHTY PROTECTION. MEASURE YOUR AID BY THE DEPTH OF OUR NEED. (REFRAIN)

[@jonathangoodwin646]

Also another thing There are many people in other churches. . Say that. We? Worship Mary we do not we Honor Mary..

[@peterzinya1]

Stuff a sock in it. Yall worship Mary so hard that you drip sweat from your forhead. Everything is all about some Mary. if thats your thing, dont let me stop you.

[@claystunes6096]

Who told u to worship/honer & venerate Mary? Did Jesus tell u? Did Peter & Paul or any disciple of Jesus tell u. Did the Angel Gabriel tell u? Did Mary herself tell u? Did Holy Spirit tell u? Did Abraham / Moses /or other prophets tell u? Did the bible tell u? Did satan or demons tell u? W H O? PROVE IT. OH, BUT WE KNOW FOR SURE OF ONLY ONE. "R O M E" (CATHOLIC CURCH) Rome has lied & fabricated these claims.

[@biblealone9201]

1 Peter 2:17 says, "Honour all men." We should certainly therefore honour blessed Mary and the saints of God. Our Lord himself honoured His parents in line with the commandment😘😘

[@outtahere321]

You guys need to study the Book of Hebrews. There is only one mediator for us and that person is the Lord Jesus Christ. There really is no debate over this. It is not Mary who sits at the right hand of the Father but it is Jesus our high priest who makes intercession for us and we can go directly to Him in prayer and have confidence that He hears us. We have to look at what the scriptures say since those words are God's words given through the Holy Spirit working through the Apostles.

[@JT11967]

People are just blinded from the real truth found in the scriptures and will eventually be led astray.

[@NotSoCradleCatholic]

If that’s the case, why even bother to ask others to pray for us?

[@JT11967]

@@NotSoCradleCatholic Mary is in heaven. Just like if your loved ones are in heaven, you don't pray to them to intercede for you. You only ask those that still still living to intercede for you. Mary is not God. She cannot listen to millions of simultaneous prayers and intercede for them. What's the use of Christ who died for us so that we can talk to him directly? We don't need another middle person called Mary

[@robert-de-calvary]

I get the intercession thing but why not to just pray to Jesus directly? He is the God, he loves us so why not? I get that she's the mother of God and that's very special thing but I see many Catholics having more icons of Mary than Jesus, praying to Mary more than praying directly to Jesus and I just find it very strange. Not to mention that Mary seems to be doing miracles and interventions and revealing herself (according to devout Catholics) all around the world too which is very Goddess like behavior... Not being snarky just genuinely confused.

[@robanks3895]

We can pray to both, its never been an issue or problem

[@XxOptimalAcesxX]

Because Jesus is not enough for them

[@robanks3895]

I am Catholic, and Jesus is who I pray to directly. I pray to Mary sometimes, it does no harm, usually with women issues. We just highly respect her of the mother of God, and there has never been any signs from God that we shouldn't pray to her.

[@edwardgenet164]

We pray the Hail Mary, because this prayer came literally from heaven, as it was first pronounced by the Archangel Gabriel when he appeared to Our Lady to receive her consent to be the Immaculate Mother of our Saviour.

[@workingwithpaul]

She was alive when Gabriel spoke to her. She's dead now. You're not supposed to pray to someone who is dead.

[@edwardgenet164]

@@workingwithpaul Read Revelation 12.

[@workingwithpaul]

@@edwardgenet164 The "woman" is the nation of Israel. Then the "woman" does sound like Mary. This is from a vision. It makes no mention of Mary being resurrected and is still living. It makes no mention of worshiping this woman.

[@edwardgenet164]

@@workingwithpaul The woman is the New Eve, the blessed Virgin Mary the gate of Heaven Bride of the Holy Spirit.

[@eiontactics9056]

I don't know if you Romanists are all Liars or just have cognitive dissonance. Anyone who has access to a Roman Catholic website can look up and read all of your prayers to Mary. What is your excuse for this random prayer I pulled from a Catholic website?: MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION BEGAN, DESTINED TO BRING, THROUGH THE LIGHT OF YOUR DAWNING, CONQUEST OF SATAN AND RESCUE TO MAN. REFRAIN: BEND FROM YOUR THRONE AT THE VOICE OF OUR CRYING LOOK TO THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FOOTSTEPS HAVE TROD STRETCH OUT YOUR ARMS TO US, LIVING AND DYING, MARY IMMACULATE, MOTHER OF GOD. WE SINNERS HONOUR YOUR SINLESS PERFECTION FALLEN AND WEAK, FOR GOD'S MERCY WE PLEAD. GRANT US THE SHIELD OF YOUR MIGHTY PROTECTION. MEASURE YOUR AID BY THE DEPTH OF OUR NEED. (REFRAIN)

[@nickhart8212]

Praying to Mary - straightforward bible logic: First: 1) Read the bible deeply and absorb biblical principles. 2) Understand the earlymost Church's Jewish traditions. 3) An absence of explicit statement in the bible is not proof - all Christians know Jesus is God even if He never said it. 4) I use the RSVCE Bible. Bible logic: 5) Does the bible ask us to pray for one another? Yes! [1 Tim 2:1-3; Jam 5:6; Jam 13-20; Eph 6:18-20; Gal 6:2] 6) Does the bible speak to the power of the prayers of the righteous/saints/holy ones? Yes! [Jam 5:16; Rev 8:4] 7) Despite the fact that: God is omniscient, right? Yes! [Numerous verses] 8) Was Mary the most obedient human to God (righteous/saintly/holy) / earn God's favour? Yes! [Luk 1:38; Luk 1:31] 9) In ancient Jewish tradition, the King's *mother* was queen. Jesus is our King Saviour, so is Mary our Queen? Yes! [Rev 12:1-5; Jer 13:18] 10) Did Angel Gabriel not greet Mary thus: "Hail {Greek 'chaire' formal, warm, e.g. Latin: Ave [Caesar]} [Mary], Full of Grace [Greek titular form}, the Lord is with you/thee!" Yes! [Luk 28] 11) Are our prayers to the righteous/saints/holy ones presented to God (even though He's omniscient)? Yes! [Rev 8:4] 12) Is Jesus the one mediator? Yes! [1 Tim 2:5 *right after 1 Tim 2:1,3*] From 1 thru 12 above, can we *all* ask Mary "Please pray for us sinners"? Amen! Bonus 13) Did Jesus (any unmarried son) love any human more than his mother? Bonus 14) Mary was present at *all* of Jesus' eventful actions, including His hidden life unknown to us. The RCC rationalises Mary, Mother of God, of all people, could both claim "This is my body, this is my blood", and that she shared in His Glory (through Him), and did not die - her Assumption into heaven. Bonus 15) Lev 19:31 and Deut 18:10-14 just says "don't use certain people to commune with the dead". It doesn't say "don't through Jesus pray to those who are in heaven - the saints who are *alive in God*! Bonus 16) But Luk 11:27-28 Jesus says Mary isn't blessed. Um, no, he corrects the random woman's claim that Mary is bless because she carried and fed Jesus. Mary is blessed not from bloodline but by her faith (her actions in Jesus' response to the random woman). Also, we *know* Mary is blessed from Luk 1:42. Bonus 17) Latria (worship of God) vs hyperdulia (veneration of Mary) vs dulia (veneration of saints, relics etc).

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

*The Biblical definition of IDOLATRY is found in Deut **4:16**,19 -- it is to make statues of a female for yourselves* (without God's instructions to do so) -- *it is to serve this female entity -- and it is to SHACHACH/worship this female entity.* The Hebrew word SHACHACH/worship simply means "to revere, to bow down to, to humbly beseech, to pay homage as to royalty". *Romans Catholics makes statues of the female Mary* (without God's instructions to do so) -- *RCs bow down in reverence to these statues of this female entity -- RCs humbly beseech/pray to this female entity. -- RCs pay homage and make shrines to this female entity as the royal queen of Heaven -- RCs serve this female entity by repetitively chanting her mantra/rosary.* According to the Biblical definition of IDOLATRY, Roman Catholics commit idolatry with the female entity called the queen of Heaven -- just like the OT Jews in Jeremiah 7:18, 44:15-30. *Just slapping the title "christian" on the queen of Heaven, does not make it Christian -- thats why NOT ONE of the guys that KNEW Mary and wrote the NT for us, ever call Mary the queen of Heaven.*

[@sourPollo]

You can play all the mind tricks you want but, the way to God is Jesus alone.

[@CatholicTalkShow]

We agree 100%. Salvation is ONLY through Christ! Do you even understand what we believe?!?

[@lois2997]

I love honoring our mother

[@eiontactics9056]

You mean worshipping a false pagan goddess Asherah (Queen of Heaven) and saying prayers like this: MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION BEGAN, DESTINED TO BRING, THROUGH THE LIGHT OF YOUR DAWNING, CONQUEST OF SATAN AND RESCUE TO MAN. REFRAIN: BEND FROM YOUR THRONE AT THE VOICE OF OUR CRYING LOOK TO THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FOOTSTEPS HAVE TROD STRETCH OUT YOUR ARMS TO US, LIVING AND DYING, MARY IMMACULATE, MOTHER OF GOD. WE SINNERS HONOUR YOUR SINLESS PERFECTION FALLEN AND WEAK, FOR GOD'S MERCY WE PLEAD. GRANT US THE SHIELD OF YOUR MIGHTY PROTECTION. MEASURE YOUR AID BY THE DEPTH OF OUR NEED. (REFRAIN)

[@MyDeadController]

@@eiontactics9056 bro is stupid

[@davidmcree6386]

Mary isn’t our mother.

[@supermanandbatmanishere]

she isnt your mother

[@peterbondarenko]

It's like this, just look at your pod cast room, you have a big sculpture of marry in the back round, but you have couple of Jesus Christ figures on your table, one with wobbly head & one with on the cross, yep, in cathlic religion Jesus Christ is not on the throne but bleeding on the cross while marry wears a crown. The type of worship God gets, Marry gets it same.

[@Jesus.loves.you.123]

❤ (Hebrews 7:25) Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. (Isaiah 53:12) Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. (Roman 8:34) Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. (John 14:6) Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

[@Jesus.loves.you.123]

@Troll Patrol 🍓 My friend, please read the above verses from the Bible carefully.

[@tridenfernandes9041]

​​@Jesus is Salvation 主耶穌得勝 first of all kjv bible is not the word of God. And Is not an actual Bible

[@Jesus.loves.you.123]

@@tridenfernandes9041 ❤ Thank you. So you don't believe what these verses tell us to be true ？ So you don't believe Jesus is our intercessor ? Do you ?

[@eiontactics9056]

You missed one: Romans 8:26-27 King James Version 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

[@Jesus.loves.you.123]

@@eiontactics9056 🍓 Thank you. Do you mean that the Holy Spirit is Mary ?

[@davidmcree6386]

Why would you pray to anyone outside of God? Did Jesus ever give an example of praying to anyone or anything other that God? Did he pray through Abraham or to him?

[@chuckdriver8269]

1 Timothy 2:5 KJV “There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity-the man Christ Jesus.” Repent or perish. 🙏🏼

[@The.ADISHAKTI]

Thank You Fathers I appreciate all of your leadership and wisdom 💕 Great message and channel

[@eiontactics9056]

"Call no man your Father upon the earth... ye all are brethren" - Jesus Christ Don't try to give me the elementary argument of "do you call your biological father, father?" Jesus was clearly specifically rebuking calling men religious titles within His Church. I.e. "Father so-and-so" He rebuked the Pharisees and Scribes who "liked to be called" these titles. Jesus did not rebuke calling you own father, father or using "father" in a relational or ancestry way.

[@peterzinya1]

@@eiontactics9056 Catholics use every excuse in the world to justify why they do everything the bible says not to do.

[@brollin728]

There’s nothing to “get wrong” here, because nowhere in the New Testament does it say that we should, or must, pray through a saint to reach the ear of God. Go read Hebrews 4:14-16 and then prove scripture wrong.

[@supermanandbatmanishere]

"Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, JESUS the Son of God," , "but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin". bro its talking about jesus. jesus has been tempted in every way but didn't sin.

[@brollin728]

@@supermanandbatmanishere of course it’s talking about Jesus. That’s my point! We don’t need to pray to Mary, or any Saint. We have Christ who appeals to the Father on our behalf, and that is all that is required to approach the ear of a Holy God.

[@Beanskieee]

I've been in a lot of these conversations and it's really a big theological rift where they don't believe that Mary's actually in heaven for whatever reason

[@catherinemcdavid1533]

Even if she were not in heaven, she could still hear our prayers and pray for us as her soul is very much alive, just as anyone else waiting for the glorious day of resurrection.

[@surfbyrd1]

Where does it say that Mary is omnipresent?

[@KurwinSmith-eq9mf]

We pray through and acknowledge her not to her its a sign of respect isnt it🤗

[@supermanandbatmanishere]

you can only pray throw Jesus. God said he is the only interceder and no one else. God also says no one come to the father but through me. it never says marry or anything. God says that tradition and culture destroys and that's what your church dose all the time

[@faaopegamaua6607]

Oh, I'm so confused. Does this mean that Mary did not die and is still alive somewhere? Furthermore, what evidence can we produce to support this?

[@supermanandbatmanishere]

nope and nope.

[@thestitchwitch680]

Why do we ask Mary for Mercy?

[@eiontactics9056]

Because they don't know Christ.

[@peterzinya1]

Because youve been bewitched by your master Satan.

[@frankenbran85]

Hey I’m catholic and I have a genuine question should I not pray to st. Anthony when I loose something because wouldn’t that be praying for him instead of god

[@overcomingsins6334]

You should only pray to GOD, in the name of JESUS CHRIST Bro this is what's correct

[@peterzinya1]

Pray to who you want to pray to. The CC has a long list of dead people you can chose from.

[@steverose3435]

There was a problem with that line of thought. If you are worried that you need a go between for you and Jesus to have a relationship with him. There’s a real problem in relationship which lands with person not Jesus. He is the go between. So having a go between for the go between is confusing and nonsensical (no offense meant). That confusion and God clearly states he is not the author of confusion. I think it’s wise to rethink that and take another look at scripture. It should make it quite clear. That’s my opinion for what it’s worth 😊

[@steverose3435]

I apologize my phone keeps lagging and leaving/ adding letters and words. I apologize for that

[@goodman4093]

Gen 3: 15 the promised woman God will used to deliver us. It is because a woman eve sinned , God will always use that same nature as agent to redeem itself.

[@eiontactics9056]

It's really sad listening to the poor excuses and cognitive dissonance on this podcast! Here is a prayer to Mary from a Catholic website. You tell me if this is just "veneration" or blasphemous worship: MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION BEGAN, DESTINED TO BRING, THROUGH THE LIGHT OF YOUR DAWNING, CONQUEST OF SATAN AND RESCUE TO MAN. REFRAIN: BEND FROM YOUR THRONE AT THE VOICE OF OUR CRYING LOOK TO THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FOOTSTEPS HAVE TROD STRETCH OUT YOUR ARMS TO US, LIVING AND DYING, MARY IMMACULATE, MOTHER OF GOD. WE SINNERS HONOUR YOUR SINLESS PERFECTION FALLEN AND WEAK, FOR GOD'S MERCY WE PLEAD. GRANT US THE SHIELD OF YOUR MIGHTY PROTECTION. MEASURE YOUR AID BY THE DEPTH OF OUR NEED. (REFRAIN)

[@rodneytabo5825]

How can a dead person like Mary intercede for the living?

[@davidcole333]

She's not dead.

[@jellointhewind8712]

Short answer...yes

[@cuaresmacarpentry]

Is talking to the dead ok in the Bible. Do you believe Mary is alive somewhere? If so, please show the bible verses. Thanks

[@bibleman8010]

so Jesus lied and their is no such thing as his promise for everlasting life and he didnt defeat death at the grave and heaven is empty hell I wonder what happened to that dead thief

[@cuaresmacarpentry]

@bibleman8010 Thanks for the replay When do we recive everlasting life? Jesus says, “Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life!” (John 5:24). When is the judgment? Jesus defeated death. Jesus said: "I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades" (Revelation 1:17-18). The thief next to Jesus on the cross was told that he would be in Paradice. Luke 23:43 (KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. do you know where Jesus was after his death. Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’” Who goes to heaven? John 3:11-13 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. thanks for any commets you have on these verses or others verses you can provide for study.

[@MoonlightGarcia]

People clearly need to know more about how ancient civilizations worked. From the beginning up to Jesus’s time, mothers were the intercessors. The kings of all married so many women, and had so many concubines that it was difficult choosing a queen without angering the family of all those women that were not chosen as queen or principal consort. There are very few exceptions in the history of humanity until recent times. That’s why the king’s mother usually took upon herself to take care of her sons home and keep the peace inside the harems and amongst the servants. That’s why Mary is considered a queen, because she gave birth to THE KING of kings.

[@devoidoflogic556]

Luke: chapter 23 verse 45. When Jesus died on the cross the veil was split. Meaning there is no more need of a priest. John chapter 14 verse 6. No one (man/woman) can go to the father except through me. When you pray, you pray to Jesus. Mary can do nothing.

[@bengoolie5197]

The question is: Why do Prots. hate the Holy and Blessed Mother of God the Son Incarnate?

[@daboos6353]

Mary wasn't special or holy in any way, she was just a normal person that was blessed to give birth to Jesus.

[@bengoolie5197]

@@daboos6353 With every word of slander the Protestants utter against the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Holy and Immaculate Mother of God, they are shouting their worship of and subservience to satan.

[@daboos6353]

@@bengoolie5197 Stay mad and keep worshipping idols if you want, no skin off my back.

[@bengoolie5197]

@@daboos6353 There is no salvation outside the Holy Catholic Church which is the only Church, and it alone, was built by Jesus Christ.

[@daboos6353]

@@bengoolie5197 Source: Not the bible

[@davidmcree6386]

Why would you pray to anyone when you can have a direct conversation with Jesus? Why would I talk to my bosses mother when I have his direct line and he has promised to give me all his attention?

[@srich7503]

Its just another prayer and extra devotion. No body in the Catholic church says you should not go directly to Jesus. There are many people that do not pray to Mary. Not sure why you would not talk to the mother of our Lord, but it sure is not mandatory. After all Heb 12:1 does tell us there is the great crowd of witnesses…🤷🏽‍♂

[@barbaramalngiang1437]

WE do not worship Mary. BUT WE RESPECT HER because she is A MOTHER. I respect and love my mother. I trust my Mother that is why I trust Mary.Mary being the Mother of my Lord for Me she is MY Mine too.Cauose Jesus said so when before He died.

[@overcomingsins6334]

Bro it's in the 5th commandments. Nothing in there tell you to ask your mother to ask GOD... Jesus Christ never asked His disciple or multitude of followers saying, ask my Mother first. Go to your room, pray to GOD in the name of JESUS CHRIST, period no confusion needed

[@eiontactics9056]

Jesus said He has many mothers... "Whosoever does the will of my Father is the same as my brother, sister and MOTHER". Also... is this prayer from your "church" just "respect" or blasphemous worship?: MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION BEGAN, DESTINED TO BRING, THROUGH THE LIGHT OF YOUR DAWNING, CONQUEST OF SATAN AND RESCUE TO MAN. REFRAIN: BEND FROM YOUR THRONE AT THE VOICE OF OUR CRYING LOOK TO THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FOOTSTEPS HAVE TROD STRETCH OUT YOUR ARMS TO US, LIVING AND DYING, MARY IMMACULATE, MOTHER OF GOD. WE SINNERS HONOUR YOUR SINLESS PERFECTION FALLEN AND WEAK, FOR GOD'S MERCY WE PLEAD. GRANT US THE SHIELD OF YOUR MIGHTY PROTECTION. MEASURE YOUR AID BY THE DEPTH OF OUR NEED. (REFRAIN)

[@supermanandbatmanishere]

what kinds respect is that.

[@josephology3290]

Of course not! Now we worship Joseph! Ha ha just kidding… we worship God alone! (latria). Mary and Joseph only get hyperdulia and protodulia. 😊

[@ir3450]

The longest non answer. Here are the reason why she was so important and people love my mother too.... what? That is your explanation?

[@JESUSisLORDVideoBible-channel]

1 Timothy 2:5 “There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity-the man Christ Jesus.” 1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that JESUS is the CHRIST. Such a person is the ANTICHRIST -denying the FATHER and the SON. JESUS is only way , truth and the life... Mary is blessed and obedient to GOD unlike the people who pray to her.. she herself will be against you for not obeying GOD who said JESUS is the only mediator ... any person who denies this is Antichrist...that's what the bible is saying Read the bible and be saved

[@peterzinya1]

Put this in your pipe and smoke it...... @LelaAukes 2 weeks ago Beautiful Mother Maria thank you to be with us. I love worship glorify you and your son Jesus our God almighty

[@TheGodSchema]

Is prayer an act of worship?

[@eiontactics9056]

According to the Bible, YES.

[@peterzinya1]

Yes.

[@CharlesStauffer-r7q]

There is nothing in any scripture that talks about "praying though" anything. The gospels barely have Mary in them. It's weird and seems idolatrous / blasphemous.

[@CountMondego55]

God doesn't need someone who is dead to help him decide what prayers to answer. The scripture explicitly stated to pray to God. Anything else is idolatry. Asking a living imperfect being like a pastor or family member to pray for you is NOT the same as asking Mary to pray for you. Prayer is not only used for asking for stuff from God but a way for one to come closer to the Lord. You are usurping God's power and undermining this relationship that is formed by prayer by not praying directly to God. Mary and the Saints have done their part. Pray to your father now. Anything else is a demonic deception. 2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." Clearly, Catholics have not read this chapter. It would explain your predicament.

[@andrewk7090]

Bro Mary is conscious to nothing so what does she need to give you access to

[@jonathangoodwin646]

Amen, we horror 🙏 Mary, not worship. Who did not worship idols it's just like remembering what the Saints did. Just like I have my children on the wall when they were small I do not worship my family also I have my wife's picture on the wall when we got married I do not worship her.

[@eiontactics9056]

MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING MARY IMMACULATE, STAR OF THE MORNING CHOSEN BEFORE THE CREATION BEGAN, DESTINED TO BRING, THROUGH THE LIGHT OF YOUR DAWNING, CONQUEST OF SATAN AND RESCUE TO MAN. REFRAIN: BEND FROM YOUR THRONE AT THE VOICE OF OUR CRYING LOOK TO THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FOOTSTEPS HAVE TROD STRETCH OUT YOUR ARMS TO US, LIVING AND DYING, MARY IMMACULATE, MOTHER OF GOD. WE SINNERS HONOUR YOUR SINLESS PERFECTION FALLEN AND WEAK, FOR GOD'S MERCY WE PLEAD. GRANT US THE SHIELD OF YOUR MIGHTY PROTECTION. MEASURE YOUR AID BY THE DEPTH OF OUR NEED. (REFRAIN) Does that sound like just "veneration" to you? Or worship?

[@adacathy3018]

Who is like God?

[@margueritelangton6362]

You isolate yourselves - especially at school level

[@TempusDan]

Catholics honor her, she's not God.

[@justjanice8373]

Can't believe the lack of respect from Protestants in the comments for Jesus Christ❤ beloved Mother Mary. ❤ My fellow Protestants take care, don't forget who you are talking about, on dangerous grounds!! 😢

[@supermanandbatmanishere]

? I'm not protestant but how are they on dangerous ground, when they don't pray to the dead, tell me when in the bible it says " pray to marry" like name one verse JUST 1 where it says this. all i recall is God saying not to talk to the dead. God never even says ask someone in heaven to pray for you? people seen an angel and tried to pray to it but then it said to only pray to God? so how can an angel stronger and more powerful then humans on all levels tell people to pray to God only on not him even though its close to God? simple YOU ONLY meant to PRAY TO GOD ONLY nothing else , no marry, no saint or anything of the sort. remember God is a jealous God so we cant go around praying to what you THINK we can pray to and read the bible and know who we can pray to. marry has and never said and it was never said she has any power in haven

[@ingridprior1337]

Why do catholics have shrines and altars for Mary? Why sing hymns and kiss and bow to her image? Why ask her for protection and blessings? Why is there a crowning day for her? Do all catholics consencrate themselves to her? Is it taught in all catholic churches that she went to heaven after 3 days? It's believed she never sinned and was a perpetual virgin, contrary to the bible. She's now reigning as the Queen of heaven, Mother of Jesus, therefore equal to God the Father?

[@Compy1968]

Mary, the mother of Jesus, would be grieved in her soul if she knew how the Roman Catholic church has venerated her equal to or above Christ as a "Co-Redeemer" with Christ, her Son. Mary was a sinner as you or I and recognized her own need for a saviour in her magnificat, "My soul rejoices in God, my Saviour". Mary was singled out by Almighty God as a highly favoured, virtuous woman, who He chose to be the vessel used to bring Jesus Christ into The World. A person does not have to, nor can they say prayers of intercession to Mary to gain favour with God or Jesus. God will not hear such petitions. We are to pray ( To God The Father, Through Jesus The Son, by the power of The Holy Spirit.) The three persons of the trinity glorify each other as one God in three persons [God The Father, God The Son, God The Holy Spirit - one God forever. Amen! Jesus said, "I AM The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to The Father but by Me!!" Jesus IS the express image of God The Father. As Jesus said to Philip, "If you have seen Me, you have seen The Father!" There is only one mediator between God and man; that is Jesus Christ The Righteous. It was Jesus whos death on the cross and the shedding of His precious blood, which satisfied God's Justice for the sins of all mankind - It wasn't Christ's mother Mary who died for your sins that gives a person Salvation, but the one time, blood-shed, atoning sacrifice Jesus made on our behalf that God recognizes when we pray. Mary cannot hear, answer or intervene on your behalf to God with our prayers!. It is Christ who died for your sins, not His mother! She said , "All generations shall call me blessed!" That is true and we need to have love and respect for who Mary was - Always!! But to pray to her or say a rosary to her, asking for intercession on your behalf or mine, insults The Holy Sprit of Grace and minimizes what Jesus Christ did on our behalf as not being good enough to save us. It's okay to believe in something; just have the Holy Scriptures to back up what you believe. If you believe Mary is an intercessor for you, hears your petitions, or is co-redeemer, equal with her Son, you need to repent of this sinful belief against Almighty God and ask The Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to your heart, according to the truth found in Holy Scriptures and God will forgive you; however, you must ALWAYS pray to God The Father, through Jesus Christ The Son, by the power of The Holy Spirit - there is no other formula of prayer other than this by which we have a saving relationship with Almighty God. We are always to Glorify Jesus for what He has done for sinners on Calvary's Cross - Not to Mary or dead saints, or relics or supposed visions. The enemy (the devil) always speaks through fear and confusion. But The Holy Spirit ALWAYS speaks truth and clarity and peace. It is He who convicts us of sin and our need to confess our sin(s) to God The Father, in the name of Jesus The Son, by the Power of The Holy Spirit. When you ask God's forgiveness, He looks at you through the shed blood of His Son, Jesus Christ and if you believe on Jesus Christ as your saviour and that God has raised Him from the dead, God then sees you as perfect and forgiven because He is now looking at you through Christ finished work and shed blood on The Cross on your behalf, not by anything we can do in our own merit. All our works are as filthy rags before God. That is why Christ's perfect blood sacrifice is the only thing God will recognize. May God Bless you today with His truth, power, clarity and forgiveness, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[@4everseekingwisdom690]

I love how they argue about the absurdity of God if there is one can or will change his mind about something.. The saints are your church appointmented advisory council able to influence the divine.. You're truly fools

[@CatholicTalkShow]

You don’t ask people to pray for you?

[@davidmcree6386]

You also do not pray to or through any pastor.

[@jackwilliamatkins5602]

Who will arrest the Paedophiles

[@peterzinya1]

Pedophiles get hired as catholic priests.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

A rose by any other name... Changing what you call "worship" to something else (venerate) is an obvious weasel move. "Oh, I don't worship Mary, I Hyperdulia her." Oh, please... "Venerate" and "hyperdulia" are ways of saying "worship" without saying "worship". It's an obvious dodge. I really cannot wait until Judgment Day when all these tricksters stand before the Eternal Judge and try to weasel out of their idolatry. Thank God for final judgment and eternal damnation!

[@CatholicTalkShow]

Sorry if words, nuance, and degree are too hard to understand, prot. 😘

[@CatholicTalkShow]

Also, good luck on Judgment Day telling Jesus you spent your life taking shit about His mom on KZbin. Let us know how that works out for ya.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@CatholicTalkShow - I understood exactly what you are selling. I've heard this hogwash so many times before it's ridiculous. When a person prostrates himself to the image of a person, animal, or (in the case of Islam) a cube shaped rock, he's worshiping said object. This is the biblical definition of worship. When we were kids, my mom would take us to church to kneel down in front of a statue (usually Mary), light a candle and say a prayer. I understand how it works. I lived it. Changing the label on what you're doing does not hide your sin from God. I'm not committing adultery, I'm just having sexual exercise with my neighbor's wife. See? It's not adultery at all because I changed the label. In the words of Philip J. Fry, "That dog won't hunt, monsignor."

[@peterzinya1]

@@CatholicTalkShow You catholics equate not believing in a virgin queen of heaven as hating jesus real mother. Of course im aware that you believe Jesus real mother to be this virgin queen of heaven. Prots, every christmas, bring out decorations and send cards which mary always plays a prominent role. Then, after christmas, the tree goes out in the trash and Mary goes back in the box, til next yr. Catholicism is all about this queen of heaven and you defend her tooth and nail and then wonder why people say you worship her, even though Johnpaul says he worships her.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Catholics don't pray TO Mary, eh? I think they call what these guys are doing, "Gaslighting". The Memorare: Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that any one who fled to thy protection, implored thy help or sought thy intercession, was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins my Mother; to thee do I come, before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful; O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me, Amen. Petitioning something other than God is considered idol worship. You would never find a Jew, for example, praying to King David for his intercession. That practice is strictly of pagan origins and it is not of the God of the bible.

[@catherinemcdavid1533]

Idol worship is believing the material item itself is a God.. You people really are perplexing. Do you not think that Jesus would likely be okay with others adoring and loving his mother? Do you not think God the Father would be a wee bit miffed if you are actually on the side of an argument over honoring the mother of His only begotten Son. Mary is defined through her Son and so, She is the Queen of Heaven just as King David's mother was the Queen, not one of his wives. Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant, as she carried the Word Made Flesh, Mannah from Heaven, and the staff of Aaron (priesthood) all in her womb which were the actual items in the Ark of the Covenant but this time in the flesh. The Ark had the power to destroy any army.. crush the enemies of God's people.. Are you saying that those who believed that and taught the power in the Ark of the Covenant were idol worshipers? David was sure excited when the Ark was in his presence, I believe he danced and offered sacrificed burnt offerings and peace offerings to the Lord. Why, because he like gold? lol... Not only that, he had a pretty dope PROCESSION OF THE ARK, similar to that of the people in South America when they hold a procession with an image of the Virgin Mary or a Eucharistic procession. What about the staff/pole with the bronze serpent which the Israelites were instructed to look upon to heal them and protect them from the serpents? Were they worshiping an idol ? Were they healed by the object or by Christ? What about Jesus telling the man to go bathe in the water 7 times, was the power in the water? All mentioned above whether Mary the Mother of God, the material items of the Old Testament, or the consecrated Eucharist obtain their power through their relationship with Christ and with the Father through Jesus Christ.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@catherinemcdavid1533 - Christians and Jews don't worship objects. When the children of Israel worshiped and danced before that image made in the wilderness, how did God feel about that? Were they worshiping the material item itself or what that object represented? Obviously, it was what the object represented - the god who delivered them from Egypt. Wasn't that god YHWH? I think it was. I think that's what they were told. I think that's what they believed. Exodus 32:4-5 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the Lord. "Tomorrow is a great feast to YHWH". But wait, it was a statue of a calf (or calves). It represented Yahweh so what's the big deal? They were NOT worshiping gold or whatever, they were worshiping Yahweh. If you read the apocryphal book, The Wisdom of Solomon, (part of the Roman Catholic canon) it goes into great detail about the evolution (or devolution) of idol worship. Bowing down to any "holy object" is forbidden by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Why are Catholics taught to genuflect in a church building? They are bowing down to the objects of the altar. Why did mom take us kids to church to kneel before a big statue of Mary and then light a votive candle? It's all a form of idol worship. Nobody is taking anything away from that noble Nazarene girl who bore the Son of God. Indeed, she is the blessed mother of my Lord. But to build myth upon myth and raise her to the status of deity is inappropriate and blasphemous. And this pagan worship is all through Catholicism. Why not come back to the original form of Christianity? What was wrong with the faith of our fathers? Why is apostolic teaching so foreign to Catholicism? The short answer is, Power. There is no carve-out for a clergy in the New Testament - it doesn't exist. All of Catholic doctrine exists to support a clergy elite. You don't find any of that in the New Testament. Think about it, if Rome adopted New Testament theology then all of those power positions would immediately go away. There'd be no Vatican City, there'd be no papacy, there'd be no clergy. All you would have left is the rule of the word of God as delivered to the first century apostles and prophets. Think of all the wealth and power that would simply vanish away. You can't serve two masters. You cannot serve God and also mammon. You will wind up loving one and hating the other or you will hold to one and despise the other. As soon as the church got in bed with the empire, that was the end of it. That was the apostasy that has lasted for over 1500 years. Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church. If you look at the bloody history of Catholicism, it's easy to see how the gates of hell have indeed prevailed against that corrupt organization for centuries. Obviously, therefore, Catholicism cannot be the church of Christ.

[@catherinemcdavid1533]

@@GizmoFromPizmo The children of Israel in the instances I referred to were not worshipping a golden calf. Worshiping the golden calf was condemned by Moses. A calf in relationship to Christ is still a calf. The bronze serpent on the pole which protected and healed the Israelites when they looked to it carried the healing power in the flesh as the healing power of given when we look to Christ on the Cross to heal our souls/save us from sin. God did not condemn them gazing upon the bronze serpent on the pole, they were instructed to do so. To honor, revere, and acknowledge Mary and the Ark of the COVENANT as sacred, holy, and powerful is not idol worship. Both, the Ark of the Covenant and Mary, because they were created either by specific instructions given to man (The Ark of the Covenant) or specifically fashioned/created by God (Mary) for a sacred and holy purpose are not to be looked at as an idol. Because they were created for the purpose of Christ and their identity defined and revealed through Christ, the Ark of the Covenant is no regular box and Mary is no ordinary woman. I invite you to read your Bible, pray, then please give me a logical and/or spiritual explanation as to why The Ark of the Covenant, a box built to the specifics given by God, layered with gold with two gold angels on top with their wings stretched forward, OVERSHADOWING the Ark... an ark which held inanimate objects including, a pot of manna (The Bread that came down from heaven), The 2 stone tablets with the 10 Commandments (The Word of God), and the staff of Aaron (The Priesthood-Aaronic, lower priesthood) was considered sacred, holy, and powerful, so powerful it could crush any army. The Ark of the Covenant, considered so sacred and powerful that anyone touching it who was not a Levitical priest called to handle it, DIED INSTANTLY. But Mary, the Ark of the Covenant in the FLESH, FASHIONED AND CREATED SPECIFICALLY BY GOD to carry The Bread of Everlasting Life, The Word of God, and the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood in the FLESH (not as inanimate objects) is somehow NOT SACRED, HOLY, and POWERFUL by virtue of her relationship (just as the ark) to Christ.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@catherinemcdavid1533 - Okay, let me hold you right there. Nowhere in the scriptures is Mary referred to as the Ark of the Covenant. This is some fiction made up centuries after the apostles delivered the faith to the church of Christ. In fact, the entire Catholic mythology is based on such inventions. Departing from the word of God is warned against in the scriptures and the Catholic religion wanders far from that faith once delivered. Proper hermeneutics is exegetical in nature. Reading crap into the bible is considered cheating. Nobody treats any other legal document that way but charlatans do that to the bible all the time. So, whereas, your religion is free to go in any and every direction, mine does not have that kind of freedom. I am bound by Thus Saith the Lord. This is why I cannot say things like "Mary is the Ark of the Covenant" because such a statement has no support in law, canon, divine authority. I'm quite sure Catholicism gets stuff like that from Egyptian mythology and the like but that's the nature of the Empire's religion. Roman paganism has long subsumed the local gods and customs into its own pantheon and mythology. Rome's religion is all we have in the Catholic Church. The names and places may have undergone some cosmetic changes - to get past the casual observer - but at it's core, it's just the same old paganism with a fresh coat of paint. So, I'll resume reading your reply but I already know where it's going. Know this: You cannot justify departing from the word of God by holding up a train load of 3rd and 4th century paganism. It doesn't carry any weight.

[@workingwithpaul]

Mary is dead. You can't pray to someone who is dead. It's blasphemy. That's the main reason why I left the Catholic church. All the praying to Mary and the saints really made me uncomfortable

[@overcomingsins6334]

Me too, even in the Bible, everyone JESUS CHRIST healed and saved don't talk to Mary first

[@holyfamilycrusader3512]

Read John 2 - Jesus performs a miracle after the Woman asks Him to

[@omegalashin]

Mary lived an immaculate perfect life!? That's the entire problem with your argument! There is no one righteous, not even one. We are all born into sin. How could she be without sin if we're all born with sin? The only one to ever live a sinless life was Jesus.

[@CatholicTalkShow]

Good luck telling Jesus at your judgment that you spent your life telling people His mom was a sinner on KZbin comments.... Let us know how that works out for you.

[@omegalashin]

​@@CatholicTalkShowMatthew 12:48 - "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

[@CatholicTalkShow]

@@omegalashin "When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son. Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home." - John 19 "And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." Luke 1: 28 "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb." - Luke 1:42

[@omegalashin]

​@@CatholicTalkShowyou've made the argument that Mary is without sin. So I give you the opportunity to support your argument. Prove to me and your viewers, through the word, that Mary is without sin.

[@omegalashin]

​@@CatholicTalkShowLuke 1:46-47 And Mary said: "My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior." If Mary had a Savior, then she needed salvation. Salvation from what?

[@markwilson1724]

1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” Is Mary, the mother of God, theotokos? The Roman Catholic Church frequently refers to Mary as “The Mother of God.” The phrase is associated with the Greek theotokos which means God-bearer. It is intended to be a term of exaltation and reverence to Mary who bore the Messiah and is especially used by Catholic theologians. “Called in the Gospels “the mother of Jesus”, Mary is acclaimed by Elizabeth, at the prompting of the Spirit and even before the birth of her son, as “the mother of my Lord”. In fact, the One whom she conceived as man by the Holy Spirit, who truly became her Son according to the flesh, was none other than the Father’s eternal Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Hence the Church confesses that Mary is true “Mother of God.” (Theotokos), (Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 495). Now, there is a problem with the term. The phrase “Mother of God” does not occur in Scripture. However, the phrase “mother of my Lord” does. “And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me?” (Luke 1:43). So is the title “Mother of God” warranted by Mary? It depends on what is meant by the phrase, as well as what is attached to it. God is a Trinity. Is Mary the mother of the Trinity? No, she is not. But she is the mother of the Lord Jesus, which is why the Bible addresses Mary that way. We should stick what the Bible says, not what it does not say. Mary is called the mother of God in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 29 times in the following paragraphs: 466, 467, 469, 493, 495, 509, 721, 963, 966, 971, 975, 1014, 1020, 1138, 1161, 1172, 1187, 1192, 1195, 2131, 2177, 2502, 2619, 2675, 2677, 2678, 2725, 2827, 2853. Within these paragraphs that call Mary the mother of God, we see some pretty bold statements about her. • “the all-holy ever-virgin Mother of God is the masterwork of the mission of the Son…” (CCC 721) • “The Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church” (CCC 975) • “our inviolate Lady, the Holy Mother of God…” (CCC 1161) • “This spiritual beauty of God is reflected in the most holy Virgin Mother of God…” (CCC 2502) Such exalted praises of Mary cannot be justified from Scripture. Instead, they are inventions of the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, Mary bore the Messiah who is God in flesh, but she is not the “mother of God” in the sense that she was before Him and/or superior to Him as is what motherhood implies. The Mother of God God, Himself is a supreme being, and the emotional inference of being the “mother of” someone carries with it authority over, maturity beyond, and even superiority. This kind of attitude has led to further errors. • She is called the second Eve, (Mystici Corpois Christ, par. 110) • expressed devotion to Mary, (CCC 971) • They pray to Mary, (CCC 2679) • Mary sits at the right hand of Christ, “(Pope Pius X, 1835-1914, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14) • Mary is second only to Jesus, (Handbook for Todays Catholic, p. 31) • “so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother,” (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914) Problems with “Mother of God” As you can see from the above quotes, Mary is highly exalted. Along with her exaltation is the implication that Mary has better access to Jesus because she is his mother and Jesus will listen to his mother. I’ve heard countless Roman Catholics tell me this. Add to this the error that no one goes to Christ but through Mary (Pope Leo 13th), and it should be clear that Mary is being idolized beyond what is appropriate. That is why Roman Catholicism advocates praying to Mary (CCC 2679). This is a problem because this leads to people putting their focus, hope, and prayers in Mary instead of Jesus. This is heresy. It is idolatry. An additional problem is found when we compare Mary in relation to God the Trinity (the teaching that there are three persons in the Godhead, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). When the Catholic Church says that Mary is the “mother of God” there is the possibility of implying that Mary is the mother of the Trinity. Since this is not logically possible, the Catholics would have to understand the term in a different sense. They would, of course, say that Mary is only the mother of the second person of the Trinity, the Word. But they don’t clarify this very often. Instead, they continually use the phrase “mother of God” and leave it open that somehow Mary has a special relationship to God Himself by being the mother of Christ. Again, this is dangerous since it encourages people to take their eyes off of Christ, putting on to the creature: Mary. God is the preeminent one, the most important and praiseworthy being in the universe. God has no “mother.” He is the creator of all things. Motherhood, on the other hand, is a biological function (as it is used in the context of Mary in Roman Catholicism), not one dealing with the nature and essence of God as it relates to a human being who is a mother. But, God has no mother. There is nothing and there is no one before Him, equal to Him, or comparable to Him. We must guard his glory and not give it to another. Finally, the term “mother of God” runs the risk of suggesting that Mary is somehow divine and part of the Godhead. So far, the Roman Catholic Church does not teach this, but there is a movement within Catholic adherents to exalt Mary to the level of divinity. The Roman Catholic Church, so far, has rightly denounced this proposal, but it does not mean that later on there might be a movement that succeeds in elevating her to divinity or semi-divinity. After all, consider the above references that exalt her far beyond what the Scriptures teach. If the Roman Catholic Church can go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6) in disregard to it, who is to say that it won’t eventually elevate her to the status equal to a goddess?

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Nobody is going to read all that. make it shorter.

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@peterzinya1 But you read it 🙂 Roman Catholicism promotes idolatry in its adoration of Mary. Consider the following as evidence, NOT found in scripture, as support of that assertion: Mary is the all holy one (CCC 2677); second to Eve (Mystici Corpois Christ, par. 110); is prayed to (CCC 2679); sits at the right hand of Christ (Pope Pius X, 1835-1914, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14); is Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix(CCC 969); the mother of the members of Christ (CCC 963); Queen over all things (CCC 966); brings eternal life by her intercession (CCC 969); helped make atonement for sins (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Ott, page 213); crushed the head of the serpent (Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus); delivers souls from death (CCC 966). When considering the Church, there is no better way than to look to Mary, (CCC 972). Catholics entrust themselves to Mary’s prayer (CCC 2677). And, no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother,” (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914). Obviously, they elevate Mary to something comparable to a goddess. Now, Roman Catholics will deny this, The Roman Catholic Church has elevated Mary beyond the status declared in Scripture.

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@@markwilson1724 There, thats better friend.

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