Do DINOSAURS Disprove GOD??? w/ Jimmy Akin

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If Dinosaurs were real and suffering then how can God be real? Doesn't that contradict the normal answer to the problem of pain???
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[@Meteor_pending]

To all those freaking out: if mosquitos are in heaven, they won't bite since they would be forever satiated in the glory of God

[@bsauce__23bandzz88]

😂

[@hglundahl]

8:57 I'm reminded of CSL's remark. A Heaven for mosquitos is perfectly compatible with a Hell for damned men.

[@greenybird7132]

I think animals have an afterlife, but can we all agree hornets go straight to hell after death?

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

What could persist in a non rational animal after death

[@amyc.peters1064]

Back to where they came from, 💯

[@ezekielcarsella]

along with mosquitos!

[@SlaveToMyStomach]

Maybe that will be THEIR Heaven, tormenting all those people in hell.

[@BibleChallengeGambia-no8qe]

There 'll be animals in heaven

[@lupea8079]

Dinosaurs in the afterlife???? I want an icon of St Peter riding a tyrannosaurus Rex while holding the Vatican flag! 😅

[@fbusa9979]

I think it’s possible with AI

[@jendoe9436]

I saw a meme of Jesus riding into Jerusalem on a Raptor instead of a donkey/ass. One of my favorite images ever 😂😂

[@alexkrauth5779]

I typed in a couple of prompts for St. Peter on a t-rex with the Vatican flag into a generator. It's something to see. None of the results showed the actual flag, and all attempts at background Latin is nothing but Russian-looking scribbles.

[@Swo37]

Like Captain America and the Devil (he is a dinosaur)!

[@nachosan216]

An icon of St. Peter riding a tyrannosaurus Rex while holding the Vatican flag

[@igorlopes7589]

Evil before the Fall of Man can be ascribed to the Fall of the Angels. Since the Angels were supposed to maintain order in the Cosmos (see Dominions, Virtues and Powers) their Fall brings disorder into the Universe.

[@1MDA]

My question would be, why is animal death evil?

[@igorlopes7589]

@@1MDA Because it is the absence of a good

[@gustavusadolphus4344]

@@igorlopes7589 but God asks for animal death in sacrifices to himself, so why would God want evil done for Him?

[@igorlopes7589]

@@gustavusadolphus4344 It is not a moral evil necessarily, but it is a natural evil, just like suffering is. And yet God demands penance from us, which includes suffering. In an unfallen world neither suffering nor death could exist because they are evils, even if not moral ones

[@johnphipps4105]

​@@igorlopes7589So as far as I am aware all indigenous religions in the America's was monotheistic(even the mayans and aztecs) and for those in the north, many believed that before the fall animals would willingly offer themselves up to one another when they needed food, i.e. a coyote is hungry, a rabbit would come up and be like "here I am", but because of the fall that whole system becomes twisted. Part of man's obligation as a child of God is to help animals do thus again, or so the belief goes. Take care and God bless, and have a wonderful day

[@VanchaMarch2]

Jimmy actually thinking that Jesus is up in heaven riding around on a raptor is crazy

[@JB-xp6tg]

I was gonna reply to your comment, but now I just wanna say I like your name.

[@paradisecityX0]

Fun fact: if the dinosaurs hadn't gone extinct, raptors would be the most intelligent lifeform and evolve to the point where they'd bear God's image instead of us hairless apes. In that alternate world, Jesus would be a raptor

[@VanchaMarch2]

“Fact”? See, this is where alternate history speculation leads: raptorchrist. No one actually knows what would have happened!

[@paradisecityX0]

@@VanchaMarch2 Lmao well when you put it like that...

[@kevinkelly2162]

Jawsus?@@paradisecityX0

[@abmrose]

“Empirical evidence” mixed with “parapsychology” and “using your ESP”- there’s a combination you don’t hear everyday!… 😅

[@ypolevaya]

Nikolai Berdiaev: "I don't want Eternity without my Moury (his cat)"

[@aarontaylor6156]

If Barney is in heaven I'm not going

[@kong46]

I think that Jimmy should read the defense for no animal afterlives found in Gregory Palamas’ 150 chapters. Also, not sure whether you can delineate between theological and philosophical as the two go hand in hand. Theology is philosophy rooted in revelation

[@amandaambrogio7321]

Awesome episode! I enjoyed listening for the past few days! I’m wanting more! God Bless you both!

[@ToqTheWise]

Honestly when you boil it down I believe that our pets will be in heaven for the same reason I believe a professed Mormon can still get into purgatory. Because ultimately I need to believe that I’ll see Tug the dachshund someday almost as much as I need to believe I’ll see my 89 year old grandmother someday after she leaves this earth even though she believes Joseph Smith was a prophet.

[@deutschermichel5807]

Do Mormons baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit?

[@millriverfarm]

Your videos always provide a sense of peace and reflection. God bless you

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

I loved the Jimmy episode! 24 hour episode please!

[@tomershahrabani129]

There’s something so wholesome and refreshing about Jimmy using the name “Fluffy” instead of “Fido” 😂

[@honest-fanboy]

Please do more about animals and theology 🙏

[@lexington476]

8:46 you know what I say we split the difference on this one. if there's going to be dinosaurs, you know what there's going to be mosquitoes as well 😀.

[@scrapsdog]

If I understand Aquinas, God had to create finite creatures to allow for human free will. Ergo animals suffered and died before the presence of humans on earth to create the conditions for humans to evolve on earth. When humans chose evil they then inhabited a world prepared for them which would not have existed save for the sacrifice of lower life forms that preceded them.

[@juanluiscarbonepicard-ami5379]

Shout out from Panama City Jimmy, watching from down here 🇵🇦

[@hglundahl]

1:34 Again, not necessarily true if for instance Adam had not sinned. God is being fair, because we are a sinful kind. If we come out on the plus side, God has given us more than we deserve. Some things would not have happened at all, if Adam had not sinned.

[@amb7412]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[@benrunsacross2935]

Mosquitoes heaven is a hell for wayward Floridians

[@dynamic9016]

Really appreciate this video.

[@GenericAssUsername]

It's a big if, and not all evidence is sufficient as proof, but that's the case on both sides of this discussion. I'm content enough to want God for His own sake, so I'm comrortable leaving it as a mystery. Having said that, as long as this unconditional desire for a fruitful relationship with God exists, I don't see any issue with hope that your pets, or all creation for that matter, may experience good beyond death, even if it isn't the unique glorified culmination promised to us. God called each part of creation good, and its totality very good. There is no reason I see for it to be impossible that God, who is love itself, would bring that which is good into some continued relationship after death. It's just that we can't know it and can't demand it. But we can still hope.

[@greenybird7132]

Very well said

[@gentlegiants1974]

It makes me wonder if perhaps the legends and folk tales of "talking animals" might have some deeply rooted origins in the mists of prehistory. As a lifelong horseman and farmer I have felt very human-like bonds at times with my horses. A kind of sympathetic unity. It inspires me to always treat my horses with respect, and kindness, and the animals I consume I give thanks to God for the gift of life and strength that I might serve Him this day. I cannot know any of this for certain. Things to ponder. Perhaps the way we treat animals is a reflection of something more, something else.

[@ghostinthemachine8243]

It is agreed that science and our perception can not answer everything, but it does not follow that religion holds any answers either.

[@quindariousgooch88]

"God not real because uhhh... dinosaur feel pain!! checkmate Christians" 🤓

[@Philosophy.and.Tostitos]

typical internet atheist move 😂

[@philfrank5601]

If the Church had doctine that taught our past pets will be waiting for us in heaven, you'd see a massive surge of new converts😂

[@sharondrucker7163]

I agree! Great info

[@richardthompson6366]

A foundation holds up the house, that is the purpose of a foundation, it will never be the house.

[@ryanawilson8549]

I have a few animals I'd love to see again

[@JW-sg7tt]

I could make a “your mom” joke but I won’t. 😂

[@reedrichards1820]

Job 40:15-24 does this point to dinosaurs being around the time of Job? or is the behemoth another animal?

[@mementomori7266]

Who doesn't love a good episode with Jimmy Akins? ❤ Are there dinosaurs in heaven? Maybe...

[@EasternRomanOrthodox.]

Akin is the biggest clown & blasphemer of our time. He breaks his own record with each new blasphemy he spews🤦😆

[@deutschermichel5807]

​@@EasternRomanOrthodox.You are talking not very Christ-like

[@EasternRomanOrthodox.]

@@deutschermichel5807 Oh is that so? Guess what, we are obligated as Christians to expose false prophets for what they are, mocking them (taking example from Elijah). Akin is an evolutionist heretic who spits on Scripture & our Church fathers, as well as rejecting the Papal teachings of 2000 years & teach you that is ok to watch earthly trash. Sick!

[@stooch66]

Jimmy is so great

[@philipwebb5065]

The Panama Canal is not in Darien province, but the rest of it sounds good. ( yeah see the photo was in Panama in 80s/90s.)

[@robertohernandez-yh7ol]

Can you guys do a episode on Explaining the view of Catholic Church on the Egyptian pyramids and stuff that out date the Bible

[@c2s2942]

So I might get to ride a t-Rex in the afterlife???

[@susanpetrie1149]

Sirach 39 Nothing is done for not EVERYTHING HAS A PURPOSE.

[@darleneelliott1457]

Wasnt the purpose of dinosaurs for the evolution of mankind. How far would we have come without fossil fuel?

[@rodrigodepierola]

Near-death experiences would negate Christianity's afterlife if they were true. There is no "afterlife shuttle" in which you're halfway here and halfway there.

[@ryanjohnston9082]

So animals only get eaten once they lived a full life. Damn what happened to those baby bunnies then in my yard?

[@CEO77NR]

Can animals be judged? Is there suffering worth it?

[@bubbles581]

I like this guys way of reasoning even i dont agree with all of his points.

[@bethmcmullan7686]

“This guy”

[@deutschermichel5807]

Blud doesnʼt know the G

[@justinpyle3415]

When the Creators name in peleo-hebrew is literally All That Ever Was, and All That Is, and All Will Be, "YHWH" (Yod-Heh-Wuw/Vav-Heh), which literally means The entire Universe from beginning to end, then there is nothing that will ever disprove the existence of that Universe as we observe it.

[@brendamyc3173]

It must be a slow news day.

[@danvankouwenberg7234]

I'll take a slow news day in the Catholic Church!

[@rbfoster]

Take it back 🤺There BETTER NOT be a single mosquito in heaven.

[@1MDA]

If murderes can be foguiven why do you care for an mosquito?

[@jackieo8693]

We don't have to believe that animals never suffered, do we?

[@Seanph25]

No you do not, again that’s just an opinion not an objective fact.

[@Philosophy.and.Tostitos]

God created a good world; but, the goodness of the world isn't (can't be) unlimited, because the world is not God. Suffering is literally nothing but the subjective experience of that fact: it is what happens when a being encounters the limits of the world's goodness. Therefore there is absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging the fact that both humans and animals suffer. :) Even if it turned out that animals don't actually have an afterlife, we can still say that God expresses His kindness towards them, first, by granting them the gift of existence; and second, by providentially caring for them by making them capable of participating in the natural order and having positive experiences.

[@fishynathanfilms]

I think a simpler explanation would be that the earth is young and that death and suffering, including that of animals, only began after Adam and Eve sinned, as the Bible tells us. Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned...Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses" (Romans 5:12, 14 NIV) "For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time." (Romans 8:20-22 NIV)

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

That would lead to averroism, so no

[@michaelharrington6698]

​@@Qwerty-jy9mjCan you elaborate on that?

[@alonsoACR]

I'm not sure how those verses could necessarily apply to animals and not just mankind. Many theologians held that death might've been possible before the Fall. Just saying it's not definitive.

[@quietwyatt4045]

My 2 cents: How about the idea --just a thought--that even if the creation account in Genesis and parts elsewhere is an attempt at explaining a big idea in an understandable way, the Church is clear that evolution as defined does not lessen God in any way. Therefore, given the science, is it possible that God "waited" till humans had evolved to the level of intelligence where we started looking for something like God? That is, God "waited" for one of his creatures (us) to develop a desire to know God.

[@alonsoACR]

God gave us (officially) the image and likeness first to Adam. This is Church teaching. Whether there was some progressive development on intelligence before is compatible (and likely). The important part is that Adam (an actual person) got the divine spark. This spark isn't equal to intelligence, which may have evolved over millenia. The Spark is Intellect, which is what gives scientists confidence that they can understand the Universe's secrets, and it is Will, what gives us the confidence that in many ways we can guide our destinies beyond our animal natures (and thus may be justly punished by fines or prison if we choose wrongly, as we CAN choose). Make art, marvels of engineering, and deduct the inner workings Creation. If I tell you that a pig grew wings and learned to fly in an instant would be just as incredible as if the pig grew those wings over the span of a few years. Thing is that it happened, and God made it happen. And I'm sorry but that God "waited" seems to me like implying God was a mere spectator. God is Sovereign, everything is a plan.

[@1MDA]

​@@alonsoACRIsnt the image of God an title? As in one with authority to rule ad sheaperd the earth?

[@alonsoACR]

@@1MDA It's traditionally understood as the intellect and will, or the soul.

[@1MDA]

@@alonsoACR But angeks and demons have all of that to. Hnece why it cant be related to such. Thats just an first thought interpretation that dosent stand.

[@quietwyatt4045]

@@1MDA your understanding of Theology needs to be tightened up. The Catholic Church ISN'T a fundamentalist church although some Catholics are fundies.

[@me-ds2il]

Thank God for NDE's

[@chriss8669]

Animal suffering was part of God's creative act, it was something He was pleased with as "it was very good." Our discomfort and sadness at animal suffering is a post-sin attribute of human nature. God would also consider the intentional infliction of animal suffering as an act of righteousness--survival of the fittest is a lot like dog or cock-fighting. God is intimately and immediately connected to the act of creation. "A righteous man cares for his animals." Evolution, as it is directly from the mind and God is one of the best examples of what it means for a righteous God to care for animals.

[@danielmcnab1424]

For all we know God put dinosaurs and prehistoric indicators in the ground as a big beautiful perfectly detailed mystery theater for us to solve. Maybe they never existed? Its also possible God did that for everything before this moment, except that he promised us that is not what he did since he created all people in his image for love. One "day" we'll know won't we, in the meantime dinosaurs are pretty cool in the here and now.

[@Catmonks7]

🙏✝️🇻🇦😇

[@a.i.l1074]

When I was 19 I read Mere Christianity and had a born again experience, before this argument destroyed my faith. Took me years to get back into the church. I would reframe the question: it's not that God would be unjust to allow dino suffering, it's that it looks more like a messy process with plenty of randomness than something from an intelligent designer, even one who uses physical laws acting a long period of time. It also makes the Bible look more like a purely human work, in that extinct animals weren't addressed because they weren't known about.

[@pagexx]

Pets have an afterlife. There's just no way that a just and loving God would make dogs as perfect human companions as they are and not invite them in heaven where they belong.

[@putt-puttjoinsthecircus2000]

Yeah, animals are already in communion with God.

[@paradisecityX0]

We can see why God created dinosaurs but trilobites and ammonites are the real mystery

[@markiangooley]

There are Ammonites in the Bible… but they’re humans.

[@1MDA]

Its only a mistery if you refute that God engineered a thing called evolution. The history is so beautiful why you guys have to keep teling yourselfs its incomapatible with God and the Bible

[@paradisecityX0]

@@1MDA I know for a fact that God triggered evolution. I'm just curious about what purpose those other species served for all those millions of years before going extinct

[@paradisecityX0]

@@1MDA I know for a fact that God engineered evolution. I'm just curious as to what purpose those other creatures could have had over all those millions of years

[@1MDA]

@@paradisecityX0 Evolutionary pressures. All steps were inportant to lead to the creation of human kind and all other animals.

[@Jerome616]

It’s pretty clear from the sacrificial system, that God does not consider animals as ensouled creatures. He looks at them as part of his universe, The same as a rock or a tree.

[@cronmaker2]

Creatures without souls can still be in heaven, e.g. angels

[@Jerome616]

@@cronmaker2Why do you think angels dont have souls? also, if God can give us anything we want in heaven, why not our pets. Pets being in heaven does not mean all animals have an afterlife. just my view.

[@1MDA]

That would call Jesus our Lord souless for the fact that he became an substitutionary sacrifice. Your argument is weak. And I dont peticularly believe that animals go to heaven yet.

[@Jerome616]

@@1MDA I’m not sure I understand how animals not having souls means Jesus has no soul.

[@1MDA]

@@Jerome616 You say animals dont have souls ,and the evidence for such in your view is the fact they were used in the substitutionary sacrificial system, but then youd have to use the same logic to say anything used as an sacrificial substitute dosent have an soul, even our Lord. Im just saying your argument is bad.

[@jamesof7seven]

In Heaven you'll get eaten every once in a great while... but the rest of the time, wow!

[@Seanph25]

I could totally see some jackass type thrill seeker guys in heaven like “hey God you think you get have the T-Rex eat me just so I can see what it’s like? 👀”

[@danielhan6587]

I’d suggest reading Blessed Anne Catherine of Emmerich’s visions of Biblical events. She was shown Creation and a myriad of Biblical events. Earth isn’t millions of years old. Our Lord revealed to her how at the time He came to dwell among us, the Earth was only a bit over 4000 years old; 2000 after the Deluge. Dinosaurs or Dragons coexisted with humans. I recommend the Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation. They do a good job at depicting the evidence that the Earth isn’t millions of years old

[@igorlopes7589]

You know visions can be allegorical, right?

[@danielhan6587]

@@igorlopes7589read the four volumes on her visions, pay particular attention to when Jesus explains so Himself. Giving how many years have passed since the Deluge and Creation, then tell me they are allegorical

[@Orth_Samurai]

Young Earth Creationism is anti scientific and traces back to the Seventh Day Adventist cult from the 1920s. Before the 1920s every church in America accepted evolution, even the Southern Baptists. The Catholic Church began and led the scientific revolution. The Catholic Church is the ONLY Church that doesn't hide away cowardly from scientific research and knowledge. Even Catholic schools teach evolution and still RETAIN their students, meaning that teaching evolution openly isn't going to destroy Christianity as long as you don't make it all seem to be the plot of Satan. The Catholic Church has continued to thrive over the past 100 years, while other churches have dwindled. The Catholic Church is the one true Church. Not afraid of science, the devil, fringe conspiracy theories, or anything else.

[@gustavusadolphus4344]

"source?!" "I saw it in a dream."

[@acatholicbeachbunny]

Dinosaurs, space travel, etc. are all faked to make us discredit God. The earth is only 6000-ish years old and is the center of Creation. Carbon dating is a flawed science. True science validates God and His Creation. Fake $cience is created to make corporations money, launder taxpayer dollars, and make us discredit God.

[@luxither7354]

Jimmy makes a Utilitarian argument in the perspective of God, which works in the context of the Fall, where evil is a necessary property within reality, but before the Fall, for God to allow any form of evil seems barbaric. This idea that God would allow some sort of evil caused outside of the principal choice of those with free will is absurd. Yes, God is incomprehensible, and has his ways for doing things, but saying that million years long cycle of life and death of creatures to develop into our current existence was necessary, rather than through creatio ex nihilo is just rationally absurd. Jimmy seems to just avoid the question and boil it down to a general question of the problem of evil. The problem of evil is only sufficiently answered by the Christian person through the reality of the Fall, else it produces an insufficiency of reason to justify all evil, without a principle just cause which all evil originates from.

[@georgiascott5779]

4 horseman of the apocalypse….🙃

[@zackattack366]

Near death experiences happen to people of all cultures and religions and vary widely. They are entirely unreliable "evidence".

[@Philosophy.and.Tostitos]

I wouldn't say they're "entirely" unreliable, fairly speaking. Objectively, they have about the same degree of validity as any other kind of anecdotal evidence: Subject to inaccuracies, distortion, or falsification, but still not entirely devoid of value. I say this from the perspective of someone who's indifferent to NDEs. I don't really care to what extent they happen to be truly spiritual experiences, and I too would be reluctant to believe something just because it appears in an NDE. I just happen to be a believer in critical, free, unprejudiced inquiry; so I think it's unwarranted both to say that ALL NDEs are "true", or that all NDEs are "false", since both are broad sweeping claims that would seem to be based on personal opinion rather than on an honest analysis of concrete cases and their merits (or lack thereof). 🤷🏻‍♀

[@neverclevernorwitty7821]

Imagine a Catholic apologetics show discussing NDE, ESP, and animal afterlife. What a time to be alive!

[@hglundahl]

7:52 Phenomenal conservatism. Take experiences, as they present themselves, as long as there is no cogent reason for taking them otherwise. An excellent reason against Heliocentrism, and therefore also the best answer against the Distant Starlight Problem. I e the "most cosmic" reason for Deep Time. You do realise that "13.8 light years to the furthest stars" comes via "4 light years to alpha Centauri" and "4 light years to alpha Centauri" from "it's parallax is an apparent movement due to the actual movement of earth" ... which is not a phenomenon we experience.

[@avengingme]

Before the fall, all animals ate plants, according to genesis

[@alonsoACR]

Where??

[@williamedwards2512]

@@alonsoACR In Job 40:10 Behemoth (Dinosaur) ate grass as I believe in Chapter 41 the Dragon may have also.

[@alonsoACR]

@@williamedwards2512 I thought the Behemoth was usually understood as a hippopotamus or something of the sort. I don't see why it would necessarily be an actual dinosaur.

[@williamedwards2512]

@@alonsoACR In Job 40:10-13 in verse 12 his tail is not an Elephant's or Hippo's verse 18 He shall drink up a river and trusteth that the Jordan shall run into his mouth, that's not an Elephant or Hippo. And some say that Ch.41 is about the Devil, maybe on a spiritual, allegorical level but what is explained here is a dragon. Ezekiel 28:13-15 explains Satan's appearance. Check out the sites (Answers in Genesis) and (Is Genesis History)

[@bubbles581]

Answers in Genesis is not at all a reliable source of truth

[@riggins872]

This argument falls apart in the case of kids' cancer. There are better arguments for God's justice.

[@hglundahl]

7:05 And this brings us to the question whether Fluffy had an afterlife in and of herself (or himself), or because the cat was loved and its raising is part of the bliss of ma and the own self (once you die again, if you make it to Heaven).

[@miscperson89]

Why do Jimmy's hands look so small?!

[@alpoole2057]

Small hands, big heart

[@mongooseman3744]

@@alpoole2057big mind

[@luke9747]

Body mass = emc^2

[@anthonym.7653]

😂🤦😳

[@skipcadorette5077]

In Genesis 2 when the A-dam names the animals, it not only marks humans God-given authority over the animals but it gives the animals relationship to God through the God's-image bearing humans. The animals DO have relationship to God through the earth's caretakers. Also Colossians 1 says that Jesus' death reconciled ALL THINGS to God. ALL THINGS means all. Romans 8 tells us that ALL CREATION stands on tiptoe craning it's neck looking down the road to see the final and full redemption of the Sons and Daughters of God because ALL CREATION knows it will be released from the curse of futility [death/decay]. Not to mention all the prophecies painting a picture of a world put to rights with wolf and lamb and bear and cow existing together - and a little child leading them. All of those Biblical references may not be conclusive, but they give significant testimony to the idea of an afterlife for all the creatures of the world- remember "For God so loved the cosmos that He gave His only begotten son..."

[@edwardpimentel7417]

Or does God disprove dinosaurs?

[@deutschermichel5807]

whatʼs about fossils then?

[@hailchristandmary]

Day 3 asking Matt Fradd to invite Francis Chan to PWA

[@doctoracharito6469]

TIme to go back to Sensus Fidelium. What a circus.

[@Aaalllyyysssaaaaa]

ok what in the heck? that sounds like saying because Jesus had 33 good years of life, the last few hours were eh who cares. Like have you suffered before??? You don't care about the tally that you were happy and sad in your life when you're abandoned and alone and left to your pain and being eaten. God cares about you in those moments when from your perspective you're in hell, and he knows how to weigh that properly when He's judging. Idk man that doesn't sound right at all. I like to think animals get to understand their suffering in context in the next life, like think about all the happy lambs in Heaven. And think about dogs, who science is discovering have emotions that are extremely similar to ours. Think about how happy they will be to understand how many people loved them and cried for them when they were hurting when there was nothing we could do for them. Think about dog fighting. In my area of the world there is a sick and disgusting trend of people's pet dogs being stolen to use as bait dogs. If that's not pure evil I don't know what is. Imagine the state of those sweet dogs who might have just learned to love and trust their families after being rescued, only to be torn away from them and subjected to utter brutality until the end, without ever understanding why. And then think about those families. For some people, their dogs are like their children, and they receive love from their dogs when they believe they are utterly unlovable, and they bring their owners literally back to life, convincing them that they are worth something. You think that wasn't God's hand?? Now think about the state of the people responsible for the dogfights and stealing the dogs. Think about the absolute spiritual and emotional poverty that leads a person to do something like that to a whole family and break so many hearts and destroy a little life, and start another 30 on fire. Who does something like that? I'll tell you. Someone whose life was set on fire first. Someone who was innocent and scared and was targeted and preyed upon by evil until they weren't a human being anymore. The people Christ came to save, to embrace, to make whole again. You know what those dogs are going to do to those people after they die? They are going to wag their tails and lick them LOVE them, and they are going to hold those dogs and weep just like every mentally ill person whose ever rescued a dog and loved them and held them and cried until they couldn't cry anymore. That is what will happen. Puppy purgatory, that is my official personal theory about what happens to those dogs. Don't say animal pain gets canceled by animal joy though because you'll end up in puppy purgatory imo.

[@Thomas-bq4ed]

Save yourself the time, it will boil down to God is perfect, so why are you questioning it. Suffering solved. Mind rot

[@pronghornhunter]

Animals don’t have rights. Animals don’t “go” to heaven, because they don’t survive death (whether there will be animals in the “new heavens and new earth” is a separate question). Animals have sensitive souls, not rational souls. Only rational souls or spirits can inherit the Kingdom of God (they have to at least be the type of creature that can have a rational mind). Otherwise, God would not have commanded animal sacrifices. Jesus Himself condoned animal sacrifices (He celebrated many Passovers and presumably ate domestic sheep). This discussion will be unhelpful and confusing to many Christians. Some may now develop scruples about eating meat. It will encourage others to dive further into the cult of loving pets like people. Jimmy’s answer here is too deferential to a marginal theory, and gives too little weight to the common understanding of the Church. Even if some people have legitimate near death experiences and see animal in “heaven”, there are many ways to understand such visions, since we know these experiences are not the actual beatific vision but only a foretaste (maybe a symbolic image to give comfort and peace, for example). Therefore, we should not read too much into NDEs except that our Lord exists, heaven exists, and heaven will be a place of glory and fulfillment. Childlessness and a lack of meaning in our culture lead some to the worship of animals. Animals are gifts from God like the rest of creation, but our ultimate happiness lies in God alone. We won’t need animals in heaven to be happy.

[@therick363]

Sorry animals don’t like you.

[@SavagePatriot-ri7px]

This question is only relevant if you believe in evolution, despite the copious amounts of contrary evidence, and ignore what Christ says about the accuracy of the Old Testament. Irrelevant video full of Catholic twaddle.

[@deutschermichel5807]

typical Trump voting anti-scientific protestant ʼMurican comment

[@igrgic1]

Animals don't have an afterlife, only us who were created in the image of God so that we may reunite with him. Genesis 1:27

[@tateharrigan8061]

It doesn't mean Dinos still exist and are killed al ot more in previous centuries. Dinos where on the ark, likely in eggs.

[@bubbles581]

In the more evolved form of chickens maybe 😂

[@crystalkathuria4381]

Are we still pretending Dinosaurs existed? Millions of years ago mmmhmm

[@tstarr8314]

Your proof that they didn't exist is?

[@hglundahl]

1:15 Let's suppose animals have no rights per se. They were created for man. Fine. This means, man was created so as to show empathy for them, and one of the shocks Adam and Eve had on the evening they had sinned was ... getting clothed in the skin of a pair of animals they had known and loved. Even on this view, or perhaps especially on this view, animals should not have suffered before Adam sinned.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

How does that follow?

[@hglundahl]

@@Qwerty-jy9mj Because suffering, not tangs of pain, but suffering, is an ugly thing. It's penal, either for the one suffering, or for man, seeing the suffering in an animal.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

@@hglundahl Why is that the case?

[@hglundahl]

@@Qwerty-jy9mj Catechism of St. Pius X: 35 Q. In what state did God place our first parents, Adam and Eve? A. God placed our first parents, Adam and Eve, in the state of innocence and grace; but they soon fell away by sin. 36 Q. Besides innocence and sanctifying grace did God confer any other gifts on our first parents? A. Besides innocence and sanctifying grace, God conferred on our first parents other gifts, which, along with sanctifying . grace, they were to transmit to their descendants; these were: (1) Integrity, that is, the perfect subjection of sense . reason; (2) Immortality; (3) Immunity from all pain and sorrow; (4) A knowledge in keeping with their state. 37 Q. What was the nature of Adam's sin? A. Adam's sin was a sin of pride and of grave disobedience. 38 Q. What chastisement was meted out to the sin of Adam and Eve? A. Adam and Eve lost the grace of God and the right they had to Heaven; they were driven out of the earthly Paradise, subjected to many miseries of soul and body, and condemned to death. 39 Q. If Adam and Eve had not sinned, would they have bee exempt from death? A. If Adam and Eve had not sinned and if they had remained faithful to God, they would, after a happy and tranquil sojourn here on earth, and without dying, have been transferred by God into Heaven, to enjoy a life of unending glory. Perhaps you'd argue from 40 Q ... 40 Q. Were these gifts due to man? A. These gifts were in no way due to man, but were absolutely gratuitous and supernatural; and hence, when Adam disobeyed the divine command, God could without any injustice deprive both Adam and his posterity of them. Nevertheless, "subject to many miseries" is "chastisement" in 38 Q.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

@@hglundahl And how do these relate to non rational animals?

[@johnnichols2088]

On the contrary: God disproves the existence of dinosaurs.

[@holyromanempireball465]

Or wouldn’t it be: dinosaurs proves God is real

[@therick363]

Except we have proof of dinosaurs

[@johnnichols2088]

The evidence for dinosaurs is all archaeological, from which very few things can be known for sure. As with all things, the world of science is often too confident in putting forth its conjectures. But if God exists, which we have more evidence for in miracles and such, then he created animals each in their own kind and left it at that. Nothing else makes sense according to a picture with God in it. That all being said, the least we can conclude is that there is more evidence for God than dinosaurs, so why use the less proven fact to disprove the more proven one? People are not competent enough to even put forth arguments. We are wasting time as a culture.

[@danielzwick3284]

This is silly. Jimmy is obviously intelligent but, nah.

[@ryanmovesu]

Dinosaurs never existed, there I said it. lol. Follow the "history" of paleontology and you will see not only is the foundation of the field concrete by any stretch of the imagination, but most of it is only theory based. Don't know about you but I like my science based on FACT not theory.

[@1MDA]

With that type of skepticism you could be an atheist to. Its kinda ridiculous.

[@mikhaelis]

That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard from an apologist trying to delude himself with cognitive dissonance.

[@Terminal-Vet]

The idea that "millions of years" is nonsensical from a biblical theistic perspective. Forget about dinosaurs. Scripture says that land animals were created on day 6 of creation along with man, and scripture also says that through sin, death came into the world, thus the premise that dinosaurs existed, lived, and died before Adam was created is contradictory to God's word. You can't proclaim to believe that the bible is breathed by God Himself into the prophets and then deny the creation account as God says it happened. Just because a bunch of scientists manipulate the data to fit their often anti-religious worldview does not mean that they are correct. They have been proven wrong many more times than the bible has. In fact, the bible has never been proven wrong, while scientists are proven wrong literally all the time. The truth is, with all of the knowledge we have accumulated over the last several centuries of modern science, we still don't know sh*t about nature as a whole. We think we do, but that's just our pride and arrogance. As Paul said in his letter to the church in Rome, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man."

[@thursdayschild8039]

dinosaurs aren't even real so the question is moot

[@therick363]

How do you explain away the bones…..

[@thursdayschild8039]

@@therick363they're either fakes (dino exhibits in museums are all fake) or some are real but from other animals. Not saying no large animals existed that have since gone extinct, but dino propaganda has gotten well beyond the scope of any and all available evidence. Oh they're birds now but then they turned into reptiles? Can we not see how ludicrous this all is? They're just making up bs and Hollywood is peddling it since countersignals biblical narratives of Creation

[@thursdayschild8039]

@@therick363 Most bones are fake and all the "discoveries" are later retracted. All dino exhibits in museums are fake. Some bones are real but from other animals. Not saying there are no large animals that have existed before that have since gone extinct, but dino propaganda has gone well beyond the scope of all available evidence. They're birds that have feathers but then turned into reptiles and then back to birds? It's all so ludacris if we take a step back. Hollywood pedals these myths because they countersignal the biblical story of Creation, and it's big $.

[@therick363]

@@thursdayschild8039okay wow so you just straight up are calling the scientists who have studied and investigated liars huh? Come back with actual evidence and not bias

[@lumpichu]

Animals don't have immortal souls. No resurrection for them. Also they aren't capable of doing moral acts. No charity, no faith, no good works etcetera. Jesus didn't come to die for dogs on the cross to open heaven to them. Another very uncatholic idea by Jimmy, unfortunately.

[@therick363]

Animals ARE capable of doing moral acts. So your post doesn’t work.

[@EasternRomanOrthodox.]

☦️Akin the blasphemer believes animals go to heaven!!!!🤦😆😆

[@thehungarywaffleinc.7775]

Kindest orthodox enjoyer

[@EasternRomanOrthodox.]

@thehungarywaffleinc.7775 I don't enjoy anything, I only making a point that this false prophet is anything BUT Roman Catholic, so you could wake up

[@EasternRomanOrthodox.]

☦️🤝✝️Dinosaurs didn't exist sunce they're nowhere in the Bible. Those skeletons belong to the giant birds - the Phoenix (Ziz Shadai). Stay away from Akin the biggest blasphemer of our time🙏

[@bubbles581]

You can't be serious....

[@EasternRomanOrthodox.]

@bubbles581 No, you can't if you believe Akin who destroys your faith & doesn't believe Scripture

[@bubbles581]

@EasternRomanOrthodox. the internet and television are also not in the Bible but surely you beleive they exist...

[@bubbles581]

Potatoes are also not in the bible....

[@AranRinzei]

You're not too smart are you Lev?