DO NOT BUY A CAR WITH THIS ENGINE - PEUGEOT PURETECH ENGINE

[@carukchannel]

** Edit - It's Suggested that the upper limit 250ml of oil being used per 1000 miles is still acceptable, this is 1Liter per 4000 miles not 10000 as mentioned in error by me. (Thanks to those who commented and pointed out) Clearly my maths are not very sharp with millilitres 😁😁 Bring back Imperial 👍👍

[@thatcheapguy525]

oh please no, not Imperial. that mean using Foreignheight again.

[@bigmacntings7451]

Thanks for the update. If you are unfortunate enough to have one of these vehicles,then what brand of wet belt do you find the most resilient??? Gates and Dayco seem to be basically peugeot OEM spec at about half the price,but in your day to day life as a mechanic,which gets your seal of approval?

[@waynemiller4602]

@@bigmacntings7451 both are good makes....i'm sure dayco did about 3 updates on the belt to stop them failing....im sure peugeot use dayco belts on the pure shite

[@RWBHere]

@@thatcheapguy525 True. We've almost completely advanced from the old acre-feet per pound Fahrenheit figures. With the notable exception of miles. Oh, and the dear old quaint USA. 😉

[@KenFullman]

I'm more curious about the reason that the piston rings are failing. No matter how advanced an engine is, piston rings are just rings, made of metal. It's very low tech. In fact they have been machined from cast iron for years without issue. Also since it's such a simple part, there are plenty of third party manufacturers of these parts.

[@zingo2664]

you should be on tv, you are better/more knowledgable than most i have ever seen on tv

[@loosabway3400]

For someone who (I think) doesn't make much claim to education or public speaking, you are very impressively able to speak to camera, sensibly and without repetition. I watched this all the way through and I can't remember one 'err'. Impressive - respect 👍

[@carukchannel]

Thanks I do edit videos so cannot take all the glory. Your right about my education very little a few GCSE's

[@loosabway3400]

@@carukchannel Really, a bit of a gift - hence the 60k subscribers!

[@radiowardenclyffe]

Total natural.

[@jimmyjt16]

A green engine designed to be efficient and save the planet, but it burns lots of oil, isn’t very fuel efficient and rarely gets to 100k miles before it needs a replacement. The irony

[@jaggass]

Yet if you get something Swedish, German or Japanese many cars from they're will do over 100k without a problem. I think in America there was a Honda Accord that had done 1m miles from new.

[@Benzknees]

A bit like my 47yr old boiler, which has only needed 4 thermocouples in that time, and which appears to use no more gas than my friends' & family's modern condensing boilers, some of which have needed replacement after only 5yrs, and seem to regularly need new parts fitting.

[@jimmyjt16]

@@Benzknees mental isn’t it. It’s the same with all this modern eco crap.

[@johnconnolly3320]

its a money making scheme saving the planet is the biggest scam the world has ever seen i wonder when people will realise ?????

[@Rich77UK]

Problem is they are made as light as possible which equates to fragility. Then DOUBLE the horse power with a turbo and you can see your area of trouble. Who NEEDS 150bhp in a 208...don't get me wrong...I like it...but it's not needed. The 205gti 1.9 had 130ish bhp and was a rocket. Give the 208 125bhp and remove the electric seats, windows and other crap and your car WILL be greener.

[@savinggrace70]

I have a Peugeot 206, 1.1, 2000 plate, it is 24 years old and still going strong. If its not broke don't fix it!

[@npr1300A8]

My partner has a V reg 306 and although she doesn't do many miles in it, nonetheless its outlived my 2021 3008 Hybrid that broke down after 11 months from new! I now have the 1.2 Puretech Rifter. I'm not mechanically trained but even I think that to have a timing belt go through the hot engine oil seems a poor design?

[@dzonikg]

I have peugeot 206 CC year 2002 1.6 ,i never refiled oil in its lifetime .I dont drive any more ,its now standing in the yard becase i dont want to sell it and it worth nothing but even after standing for 4-5 month its starts on half key .And in 22 years i change cambelt ONES ,it was in 2010

[@jxx90s]

These were the best. Even the tv commercial for them back then was really good lol

[@xXturbo86Xx]

The older the better.

[@jungtran4990]

@@xXturbo86Xx You named it... We/I had 4 Peugeot, 604, 1978; 505 STI, then 505 Turbo (not as good as other) and Peugeot 405 (1989) Cost me less than 10k Canadian Dollars$; and I drove them since 1996 till 2008. The 1984 505 STI was the best if it were not that the Contract Workers used it and destroyed the Trans... We/I would have driven until now... I have seen a Peugeot DL 1986 still ran like a charm form a Man in the City... Government and Politicians should stop making Bad Choices and Bad "Inconvenient Truth" like Al Gore and Elon-gate about C02 Emissions,,, Don't believe in that causing Climate Change.... Citizens of the World have to drive less and Walk/ Bike more to keep Good Health like the Japanese and South Koreans. C'est La Vie 💏 💏

[@simonh870]

I blame emissions regulations mostly. They have forced manufacturers to make engines fragile in the name of reduced frictional and inertial losses. Wet belts, thin timing chains, low tension piston rings, reduced engine sizes with a turbo (making the engine work harder to produce the same power as a larger one), EGR and particulate filters, plus some cost cutting to keep things affordable... Couple all of that with extended service intervals to make the car appear cheap to run and you have a recipe for disaster.

[@paulnolan1352]

It’s simpler than that, the Engines are basically eating their own crap.

[@martinhammett8121]

Blame the manufacture not the regulator, cutting corners & cost to increase profits

[@simonh870]

​@@martinhammett8121 I agree that manufacturers have cut corners, but they have had to. The newer more complicated engines are a lot more costly to make than an older normally aspirated, indirect injection engine. If they din't keep costs in check they would either make a loss or prices would need to rise. Car manufacturers are in it to make money, otherwise they wouldn't exist.

[@geordie25tdi]

Well said . You are spot on sir .

[@marktucker208]

100% this and its something that i never really thought about. It makes sense though

[@horyzengaming3935]

I am a mechanic of a large car sales company, and in the process of working on a 2018 Vauxhall Grandland with one of these engines. Car was sold 2 weeks ago and customer come back with oil light flashing. They checked the oil and it was very low. Even though the car was serviced by myself before sale 2 weeks ago. So it had lost 3 liters of oil in 2 weeks. Visible smoke when revving. I used to work for Mini so know a lot about oil consumption on engines but this is on a whole new level. Car has only done 55,000 miles.

[@jcmc60]

1.2 Peugeot owner here on 18 plate. Cam belt done at 53000 no oil burn, fingers crossed. Dealer was well aware of issues with engine not charged for sump removal and engine internal clean. Always changed oil earlier than recommended.

[@iankemp73]

Same...66 Plate 108. Extremely low milage 33500 miles. Cam Belt done last year . £399.00 local Peugeot Independant. So far faultless .

[@S-Ltd1000]

Don't kid yourselves. These engines are not designed with longevity in mind.

[@confederatenationalist7283]

@@S-Ltd1000 1 horsepower per cubic inch was the benchmark for durability. 100 hp per litre or more is race engine type outputs. The old race engine doctrine was we can guarantee it will start and we can guarantee it will blow up/fail in a big way.We can't guarantee the time period in between.But the best race engine is the one which blows up as it crosses the finish line.Anything longer than that is under stressed. Call it 45k-50k miles.

[@confederatenationalist7283]

@@CandyMan2001 How many Toyota's and Honda's made over 100hp per litre ?.I'd prefer a Range Rover or Discovery with a Ford 302 V8 over any Land Cruiser. If not a Chevy pick up with a Detroit 6v53.

[@confederatenationalist7283]

@@CandyMan2001 Obviously a 200hp 8,000 rpm screamer isn't going to be much use in providing over 300hp at 4,000 rpm. Either way a good big V8 beats a small 4 or a 6. So Ford Cosworth DFV v Honda 2000 but for some reason Ford chose not to put it in the MK1 Cortina.

[@fulf]

I have worked at peugeot dealer in Sweden. Its usaly the turbo engine that have timing belt faults. My guess is that the oil runs hotter. Every service we measaure the with of the timing belt throug the oil filler cap. Even if its not cracked it can be to wide.

[@MattyEngland]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense, most turbos drain oil straight into the sump, so would definitely be a lot hotter than a NA engine

[@albintangring1110]

What first car would you recommend one swedish fella to buy? :D Reliability and spare parts availabilty would be key.

[@jimdavis5230]

Scary stuff regarding cars fitted with this engine. My neighbour has an old 2007 Suzuki Swift which she has serviced regularly. So far it's done around 140,000 miles, never broken down, doesn't use any oil between oil changes and the engine sounds as smooth as silk. Amazing for a cheap budget car in my opinion.

[@732daven]

glad to hear, i just bought a 2012 second hand swift

[@keithhooper6123]

I had three Honda vans,over more the twenty years ,all bought used.Never had a belt fail,all ended up with over 80,000miles,on them.

[@Galahadfairlight]

Swifts use a camchain, and usually lasts the life of the car. Far superior engine than this modern crap

[@StuartAinsworth]

Thoroughly tested before manufacture.

[@galboy5308]

What vans honda make ???​@@keithhooper6123

[@mauriziograndi1750]

Interesting video, Peugeot nevertheless has made excellent engines that run perfectly after 20 plus years with no issues. This on the contrary of more celebrated car manufacturers. Example my Peugeot 307 2004 model km 432,000, done normal services and replaced one clutch. Still does not uses oil between changes. I am therefore extremely happy with Peugeot.

[@kevinturner2455]

Thanks for the information I was looking at a Peugeot 2008 but I'll not bother now. Cheers 👍

[@dartskipper3170]

Look for a slightly older late model 406. I had two as company cars. Very reliable and never burned any oil. The first was petrol, second was diesel. When Jaguar wanted a diesel motor for the X Type they went to Peugeot for help.

[@brudamoj738]

LOL you are so easy to be brainwashed. New Peugeot do not have this issue

[@Vantrakter]

Heh, I was looking at the 208 as well, used, from 2021 ..there are a few cars avaiable with the 1.5l diesel engine, these are, same age and mileage, around 2000e cheaper than the 1.2l middle petrol engine. So if I wasn't into the diesel variant before I'm now. (Unless there's a new video shortly on how that engine has issues too :) ) And thanks for the heads up Car Uk.

[@S-Ltd1000]

I had a 2016 308 GT line about 3 years ago. I loved the car and it was fine for a year and a half but at around 50k miles the stop vehicle engine repair light started randomly appearing. Code pointed to one of the vvt solenoids so had that changed, then a few months later the other one went. In the meantime I started to learn all about the wet belt issues and blocked solenoid valves is a symptom of a disintegrating belt. As soon as I got it back from the garage I drove to another dealership and traded it in on a Mazda3 skyactiv petrol which has been flawless. I'm still on the 308 FB group and it's a regular occurrence. Many posts from people that bought into these cars without researching the associated problems. Peugeot don't give a toss and will do everything to avoid fixing the issues unless you have a spotless service record. Apparently they have now redesigned the engine to use a cam chain but I'd never go near a Stellantis car again.

[@markleggett3944]

I avoid Stellantis products in the US, along with most Kia and Hyundai models. Ford Ecoboost engines have a lot of issues. Nissan had a lot of CVT transmission failures. I try to focus on Toyota, Mazda and Honda vehicles. They tend to be more expensive on the used market, but they are cheaper in the long run. I don't want to sell my customers a cheap car that will end up being a money pit.

[@scotty6346]

Ex wife has a 2018 C3 Aircross with the 1.2 Turbo Puretech, Regularly serviced and at 40K miles i checked the timing belt through the oil filler hole in the cam cover as i had discovered that the wet belts give problems, The belt was cracked across every 2mm, She booked it straight in for a Wet belt, It cost her £600 and the garage said good job i spotted it as it was about to fail and this is just at 40K miles! I told her to get shot of it but she likes it too much! 😂

[@owensteele1645]

Well done for checking.

[@jimmyjt16]

Shouldn’t be happing on an 18 plate car. Madness

[@user-bz9cb8bp2y]

As an old mechanic it still puzzles me how it cost so much to change a belt, sure sump and drainer removed but £580..really.....is taking the pss

[@elmondo3543]

@@user-bz9cb8bp2y this must be a stealership price!…what makes me wonder is why a wet belt has been designed?

[@user-bz9cb8bp2y]

@@elmondo3543 correct. (friends car). I agree.... As a young mechanic I thought the switch from chain to belt a mistake but they turned out OK... Wet belts... Yuk....

[@jdmguy44]

I took delivery of a new Peugeot 2008 with the 1.2 130ps engine in December. Its on lease as my main/daily car. Was aware of the reputation of the wet belt design but not worried as I won't have it long enough to care (probably not beyond 2 years old). The thing is the car looks lovely inside and out, far nicer than the likes of a VW T Cross which I also considered. The engine is lovely to use to. Smooth, punchy and decently economical. In fact its probably one of the nicest 3 pot turbos out there to drive. I'm happy with the car so far.

[@SeamusFoley-d4r]

All French cars are pure shite don't touch one .please please please .loads of issues and will Rob u in repairs.

[@tonyb1223]

Your car wont have a wet belt but a chain, ehat he hasn't told you that PSA changed the wet belt to chains around 2022 so you won't have any issues.

[@Lackari]

@@tonyb1223 They changed on every 1.2 engine ? My dad just bought a 408 and i was wondering if it was still the case.

[@tonyb1223]

@@Lackari 408's have a chain for the 1.2 😊

[@Lackari]

@@tonyb1223 Thanks alot i guess it's good news, but i doubt he'll keep it long enough to get any problem anyway and he start to be bored of the 1.2 thp, it's like his 4th one and feel it's like the same car over and over again. Interior is very nice tho

[@richardsheil5289]

Great video. Ihad a 208 turbo and improved oil consumotion by soaking piston tops with acetone to clean the rings. Once the acetone drained into the sump i changed the oil before startup. This improved the consumtion to about a third of its original rate. Now getting around 2000km before needing a top up which is still high .

[@carukchannel]

Good idea, the build up on the rings is a big issue. Not helped be being a GDi type engine.

[@richardsheil5289]

@@carukchannel Thanks Lee. Strangely the turbo is direct injection but the regular 1.2 has injection through the valves. I think they are a good engine but realise it is a minority view.

[@Fredje045]

2000km and you already need to top up oil? Are you sure it is not a 2 stroke lol

[@BikingChap]

@@carukchannel so you see more issues on the turbo varients re rings? I'd be surprised

[@MrJCIRELAND]

The Toyota 1.33vvti engine has the exact same oil consumption problem on the Yaris 2010/2012. Sticking piston rings from coke build up, so the acetone drench is a good idea, Cheers.

[@oriza2]

I drive a 2021 Peugeot 5008. It just drives perfect. does not consume any oil and takes 6,5 l/100 km gas, which is better than I expected from a high build family 7 seater. So I love the car, it has 50.000 km now and never topped up 1 ml oil ever. been serviced every 15.000 km. I really hope that 2020 or newer engines will not have these issues, because the car is really lovely and I would hate to let it go. I will change timing belt definitely around 70-80.000 km, or at any sign of problems. Thanks for the video, really good!!!!

[@mikmark100]

I have an Opel Combo 1.2, 2020 and I was also planning to change the belt at 65,000km and at 60,000km it showed me to adjust the oil level, which I had already shown once a year ago, but the oil was between min and max so I didn't pay attention to it then, I added 0.2l now and after 3,000km I adjusted the oil level again. The timing belt was checked at Opel at 52,000km and it was fine so I arranged an inspection at Opel before Christmas and they found lower oil pump pressure and I have an appointment to replace the timing belt for February, they topped up my oil and now it is slightly above max. The problem is most likely in the already clogged oil pump strainer, so the oil pan will have to be removed and the strainer and oil pump cleaned. But I have another concern, because after about 50,000 km, after warming up after about 5-10 km or more consecutive trips, my engine started to make a slight audible squeak. It can be heard in the passenger seat as if somewhere below. It can be heard at idle or even when I was starting slowly in 1st gear or even when reversing. At first it only did it sometimes and later more often. Now when it's cold outside, it can be heard less or at all. You have to turn the radio down and turn off the fan to hear it. It's not a creaking creaking creaking creaking, but a creaking every 1 second. So I hope that the engine is not getting worse (piston rings, etc., because a geo engine costs about 3000 USD in Opel and a new engine costs about 7-9000 USD. The problem is that now everyone has started to change the belt every 40-50000 km according to comments elsewhere and especially in the middle you need to clean the oil pump strainer and almost no one did that and then only with the belt change (if at all). The problem is that the belt still looks nice when checked from above and is not even wider on the dipstick, but it is fraying mainly on the inside of the teeth and that is not normally visible. If I had this information earlier I would have replaced everything long ago, but Opel will not tell me what I cannot figure out myself and in the meantime I will have it after the warranty. So either I will just replace the timing belts (with them, at my request, also the V-belt and accessories + water pump), which will cost me approximately 1200 USD and then I will probably have to add oil regularly (it depends on how much) and if it somehow consumes too much then let the engine run over time, but so far I don't have any smoke from the exhaust, etc. But first I will try if there is a problem to pour something like Doktor motor into the oil to see if that helps. The interesting thing is that no one has written about this engine yet whether they poured something in there so that it doesn't take so much oil, at least I haven't come across this info anywhere in the comments. So my advice to you is to arrange a service as soon as possible with a timing belt and kit replacement + cleaning of the oil pump strainer, without even doing the timing. They say that the strainers on the solenoid valves should also be cleaned, but that will probably be when the engine is running. In any case, they will first measure how the oil pump is doing. Don't wait like me until 65-75,000 km, it may already be too late for this engine.

[@lithlander]

Had cambelt changed on my 3008 on 18 plate only 36000 miles .took Peugeot four months to repair car and yes serviced by Peugeot from new

[@andyhowlett2231]

I've owned a Citroen c1 Mk2 1.2 litre puretech 82 hp for 5 years and it hardly burns any oil. I had the wet cambelt changed at 31k miles, the engine cleaned/flushed and I've had no trouble. It's a great little engine, lots of torque and the car leaps away from the lights.

[@brunobaressi9919]

Motore terribile

[@andyhowlett2231]

@@brunobaressi9919 How? 31k miles with no trouble, how is that terrible?

[@osa-mv4iv]

​@@andyhowlett2231 They got problems becouse they dont check is t servise reely change oil and oil filter an ist use proper oil

[@andyhowlett2231]

@@osa-mv4iv That's a problem with service, not the engine. Any engine will give trouble if not serviced.

[@jungtran4990]

@@andyhowlett2231 True... We/I had the Subaru Legacy 1992 Model; Everything Original, except Timing-Belt changed in 2019 and 2 CV Axels = as Boxer Engines wear out CV Boots/Joins faster than Regular Straight-Inline 4 Engines. We/I changed oil 🛢 🛢 = bought Bull Load every 3-4 Months by myself since 2005; I never cost me anything else but Gasolines (I changed Radiator Coolant Every Summer End) The Subaru Legacy was stolen last May 2023 otherwise, would have been in the Parking Lot and Driven still... Change Oil and Coolant more often and you can drive any Japanese for 30 years... Like the 1992 was 31 years,,, C'est La Vie... 😂 😂

[@ZAmiri-h4h]

I am ever so greatful for this video. My peugeot is with 3 different mechanic and they don't diagnose it properly. Thank you.

[@ingopaul67]

It's almost as if car manufacturers have forgotten how to design reliable engines.

[@simonh870]

They were fine until emission regulations forced them to downsize and add complexity.

[@worldhello1234]

If you have to meet crazy emission standards on a fixed budget, reliability takes a backseat. 🤷‍♂

[@matthewgodwin3050]

@woolychewbakker5277 ......that nobody wants.

[@jimmyjt16]

So basically the emissions regs have caused manufacturers to build these crap engines that aren’t reliable, burn lots of oil and generally aren’t very efficient. Makes sense. Hardly saving the planet is it.

[@confederatenationalist7283]

They are designing engines to a different set of rules. It's all about emissions and fuel figures and profits for manufacturers. They aren't designed to be a viable long term out of dealership servicing and warranty environment. There's a reason why any decent used car forecourt was full of big low stressed pushrod straight 6 engines during the golden years of the used car trade.

[@dabdabbers3594]

Good man 👍 just beginning to search for a new car with these size engines, thanks for the information it's appreciated.

[@bojanstojanovic5465]

I have Peugeot 205 with TU engine, great engine and very reliable.

[@bobbobbybybobdog5096]

Joint de culasse

[@ParFektion]

That was my first car. Great engine!

[@thomasheitmann1804]

My First Peugeot. 205 XR 👍

[@bojanstojanovic5465]

@@bobbobbybybobdog5096 No problem at all with that, much reliable than on 206.

[@triodehexode]

Far better than over hyped German stuff.

[@thatsentertainment5602]

The 1.6 Turbo PSA petrol engine from 2012 also has issues like oil burning, leaks, smokey turbo, weak engine mounts and more.

[@Ellis_B]

Sounds fun

[@martcoulbeck2882]

Totally agree with this video. We own a 70 Reg Vauxhall Crossland. After hearing about the belt issue we decided to get ours done as the car was on 36.000 miles. Well! The mechanic actually showed us the belt whilst on the car, not just through the oil hole but actually with the top part of the engine off. The belt was In terrible condition and cracked all over the place!! We were told we had been extremely lucky as the belt would have failed very soon. All sorted for £600 by a private garage. It’s not the point though is it. So many owners out there that just don’t have a clue about this issue. Stellantis is a joke. Even on the 23-24 year of car the belt issues are still there. I will never buy any Stellantis car again. Great video Thank you

[@no-oneman.4140]

Just discovered this guy. He is a natural teacher, so fluent. There must be provable design faults so why has this never been to court. Makes you want to rush out and buy an EV or stick with Japanese.

[@davidscott3292]

Natural salesman certainly.

[@kingsknightuk]

thank god for you!!! People always say how bad the ecoboost engine is and never talk about the Puretech engine which is wayyyyyyy worse! At least ford fixed their problem and fitted a time chain now!!! The Puretech has soooooooo many problems it is unbelievable it made it into cars!!!

[@josephberrie9550]

the ford still has a wet belt drive for the oil pump ???????????????

[@jdmguy44]

The Ecoboost is worse. The Puretech has a chain driven oil pump unlike Ecoboost.

[@Matty12333]

Depends how they are maintained

[@kingsknightuk]

@@jdmguy44 yeah its strange they kept the oil belt!! that being said, most of the issues you get with the eco boost engine is with the wet timing belt as it is much bigger. I dont understand why ford didnt replace both with a chain???? I've got the new ecoboost engine in my focus and i change the oil every 5000 miles like i have with my wifes cmax (which also has a ecoboost engine) and that engine is still running sweet as a nut. It has 74k on it and had its belts replaced! the belts that come off it looked fine, it didn't degrade what so ever!

[@BenSamuel-d6l]

Strage cos its been faultless in all the cars Ive driven and Ive only broken down in toyotas

[@baylessnow]

I bought a 1.2 2008 Puretech in August 2023. Only after that did I find out about the internal wet belt (!) and the clogging of the oil pickup strainer. Checking the paperwork that came with the car, it has already had a new oil pump and belt fitted not long after its first owner bought it. When I get rid of this car (I'm keeping it for 2 years max) I'm going back to a 2nd hand Toyota! Oh, the cheapest "correct" oil I could find was a pound or two shy of £50, with a discount code! £500 for a cam belt change?!!!! Oh how I loved the old Ford SOHC engines.

[@keithkeeble7483]

Honda are also having problems with there three cylinder engine wet belt and I think it's a ford block with a Honda head on it

[@dietznutz1]

​@keithkeeble7483 ew honda shame on you, 3cyl ford is the worst engine made in the last 20 years

[@x.kasiouris5503]

For this reason I went to VW group bought a Skoda Fabia 1.0 tsi I know it's not a toyota but the tsi 1.0 nowadays seems to be pretty robust and since I am not really pushing it to really high rpm I believe I will be fine if I do reasonable maintenance it has a dry belt though I wish it was a chain

[@william8108]

My 1.0l eco boost is just dandy,cambelt showed little signs of wear,didn’t cost much more than a dry belt.

[@reececollison5101]

@@x.kasiouris5503VAG don’t usually do the best engines, but to their credit the 1.0 TSI (which I also have in my polo) really is an excellent reliable engine

[@paulriggers1558]

main dealer tec here, we sell ex. motability fully serviced 3yr old cars, belts failing after less than 40k miles, done 3 this month, oil lights on... 1.2 pureshite motors

[@StephenRandall-x6s]

As a former vaux dealer employee workshop full of new engines in crates awaiting fitting and one tech spent weeks purely swapping engines in various models some not even very old. Although Vauxhall had had their own past issues as all car makers do from time to time since GM ditched the brand to Stellantis they have I feel destroyed years of loyal Vauxhall customers who trusted the brand and the dealer network, and frankly who would never have considered buying a French car because of their unreliable reputation, its a thought that how many long standing Vaux owners have now jumped ship when they now realise the true vehicle behind the griffin badge.

[@volvodaft]

I have a 2021 vauxhall combo life 1.2 3 cylinder 8 speed auto on mobility, its just turned 46k and not had a problem with the engine, but don't get me started on the electrics 😮 thank god it goes back next month after having it 3 years, and seeing this video 😢

[@grigorig8403]

​@user-rf2qt8ou8w I think you are right in 99%. But GM also failed with their downsized 1.2 litre petrol engine LIH in facelift astra where people including are having issues with crankshaft and this engine has also belt in oil... There would be no any better engines in these cars today...

[@muffindell]

Vauxhall 2.0 turbo diesel engines seized up from oil pump failure or just a simple £2 oil pickup seal made from the wrong material is a normal thing that happens before 100k, not forgetting the M42 manual gearbox that is made from chocolate and will also always fail. Yeah, Vauxhall have previously had their own issues so nothing new.

[@paulriggers1558]

timing chains will not block your oil system + damage your engine, they usually rattle to tell you it's time to change, or put a light on the dash relating to chain wear, but skipping services or using cheap oil can bring failure down to 40/50k, time will tell on how long these last... external cambelts are the best, new one every 5yr/60k, no more worries... i run a family fleet of 6 fords with the pugeot/citoren 1.4/1.5 diesel fitted, most over 100k, 6 /16yrs old when you are a mechanic, you can't be arsed to work on family cars, so i pick for reliability... unfortunately none made after 2020... @@chrisbarlow4356

[@scottlp2323]

I've had a 2017 308 1.2 Puretech 130bhp since 2018. Only on 29,000 at the moment. None of those issues yet, touch wood. Had a Peugeot recall last year specifically about the cambelt. They checked and it was fine. I know that engine has had different types of belt in it's lifetime, some more trouble than others and I think they are now chain driven. I haven't had a dealer service for a couple of years due to lack of funds and a lot less miles travelled. I'm still under 10,000 since the dealer service but I think I'll be sorting that myself after watching this. I have an MOT in a couple of weeks. I may enquire about the cambelt too if it's around £500. It's been a cracking engine so far. Low down torque like a diesel but lot's of rev room too, although I rarely need that as it pulls well so low down.

[@PiotrPilinko]

I have 3008 with 1.2 PT 130hp (2019) - no problems with a cam belt. My wife has 208 (1.2 PT 110hp, 2017) - cam belt had to be replaced after 37k miles. Now it has about 57k miles and is running fine (but it requires about 1 liter of oil after 6k miles).

[@andgate2000]

When u get to 250k mls....( camry 2.5) with no issues...then u can call it reliable.

[@leneanderthalien]

A new belt was introduced in march 2017...I have a 208 puretech 110 automatic gearbox (the 110 is the same as the 130hp except programmation and exhaust pipes diameter) and at belt change after 100 000km was the belt in correct state (i make oil change all 10 000km, not 25000 as planed...), and oil pick up was clean, but oil consumption rise progressively up sinze ~60000km and at 110 000km was the oil consumption at ~1L to 2000km, and... at 115000km did the engine blow (hole in the piston n°3), engine replaced for 6000€, hope it hold...

[@mnz97]

@@leneanderthalien Carbon buildup because of direct injection. It can damage piston rings. These should be cleaned regularly. Walnut blasting might help prolonging its life.

[@Vogel335]

I own a Corsa with the 1.2 130hp puretech engine. Right now it is sitting at 41000km and had four service intervals. The engine did not burn a single drop of oil so far. Thank you for this video, I'll look out for the wet belt.

[@ericvaneupen9986]

My wife owns a 2017 Peugeot Partner 1.2 PureTech, service interval every year and not a single problem... I have a 5008 1.6 PureTech 180 Hp and it is by far the best car I ever had.

[@davidwood7872]

Thanks for the advice, I have the Citroen diesel engine in a newish c3 and it was for that reason I avoided the puretec one 😊

[@j0llyroger889]

I had the 3 cylinder 1.2cc engine in my peugeot 206 on a low mileage 66 plate, I was always topping up the oil every 3-4 weeks, It used as much oil as it did fuel, I sold it on.

[@Wiltshire-observer]

As soon as engines started to go 3 cylinder, I thought it was a bad move. Getting more power out of less cubic inches has to come from somewhere, so compromises happen. I remember the original Top Gear trio lauding up Ford’s eco boost when it launched. Within two years the engine was known a junk.

[@MrDuncl]

International engine of the year in 2017. Lasts about three 🙂

[@Haawser]

It's not the number of cylinders that's the problem. Example- The Aygo/C1/107 have a 3 cylinder, but that's widely regarded as almost bulletproof (given regular oil changes). It's wet rubber belts, high boost pressures and trying to squeeze ridiculous power out of small engines that's the problem.

[@cjsutcliffe]

Ain’t no replacement for displacement…

[@RoyDavidson-g7g]

Toyota and suzuki 3 cylinders are bomb 💣 run forever

[@dzonikg]

@@Haawser That are very very small cars ,compare them with Peugeot 408 in size

[@alberto3429]

My Peugeot 308 SW from 2021 (1.2 PureTech 130 HP) has the "new belt" (showed at 12:15) from factory and no issues so far with 40k miles. Not a single crack or dent in the belt and I am using it on daily base both in the city and for long trips. No oil consumption at all. I believe that older belts are more problematic. It is not only the mileage that counts, it is also the time. A car that has only 10k miles but with more than 4 years can have the belt already damaged. The gasoline particles in the oil are damaging the belt every day, whenever you use the car or not. The most important thing is to change the belt early (before 4 years or before 60-70k) and you should be safe. Maybe it will cost you £600 but it will save you all this PureTech hustle. Also changing the oil on time and using proper oil might help (I suggest taking your car to official dealership garage). If your belt is already dameged, the particles clog the oil circuit and you might have oil pressure and lubrication problems without even knowing it. The cylinders will gain play due to the extra friction. This is the main reason for oil consumption and for even faster belt degradation. So try to never reach this point: change your belt early. If you buy second hand and the belt has been already changed, keep in mind that if they changed it too late the engine might be already damaged.

[@wilmacazemier2411]

2014 308 SW HERE 194000km on it never had problems until now using more oil

[@Jablonski277]

I change the wet belt every Saturday no matter if it's needed or not

[@carukchannel]

🤣👍

[@ylst8874]

I was thinking about similar things 😂

[@maxflight777]

😂❤

[@avbrands1720]

😂😂😂😂

[@emmanuelsahrsewah]

😄😁😁

[@rafaelrafa2765]

just rented a c3 one for 1 week, brilliant car, very cheap on fuel, i think if people change the belts every 30k miles everything will be ok, a family member got the crossland turbo since 2019 and so far 0 issues

[@JohnBertram-t3h]

Travelled from Edinburgh to Leeds with my daughter and bought a Peugeot 208 GT LINE from a garage on the 5th December,vehicle ran ok for two weeks,in that time 1 litre of oil was added.After the 2 weeks the dash lit up with warning lights & little power.It sat at her work until finally collected (7th Jan) & after the garage checked it out,another 2 weeks,we finally were offered our money back( minus the cost for each mile we put on it) ,now purchased a Golf Diesel & garage changed belt & pump before purchase. Total nightmare........stay well away.

[@livc444111]

Hope it's not the 1.6 tdi

[@JohnBertram-t3h]

@@livc444111 No it was the 1.2 pure tech petrol model

[@fhm3762]

French cars built to last for a couple of years, then they belong on the scrap heap

[@theodhorzhobro4646]

​@@livc444111i have the 2011 1.6tdi polo 140k miles still running pretty well

[@bryanadams4436]

Cracking podcast as usual Lee another electric car fire this time in Bristol, Patchway Vauxhall dealer hell of a mess took out other cars and vans

[@gap9992]

I recently rented a 208 130HP with the 8 speed auto on holiday in Tenerife. It was a great little car with very good performance and amazing low down torque for such a small engine. Shame about these reliability issues but hopefully they have fixed them now.

[@brudamoj738]

Those don't have this issue. It is the latest verison od 208 you have driven. Problem is solved there

[@aquilinorodrigo]

Nope, rental companies still have the 2020-2023 version and NOT the new 1.2 Hybrid verison yet.​@@brudamoj738

[@JacobianMatrix9]

​​@@brudamoj738Do 2020 model 208s have it fixed too?

[@jaylangham1647]

I have a 2016 308 with brake failure due to the cambelt breaking down , it’s on 45 k and hats off the main dealer it was all fixed under warranty even though it’s 8 yrs old ! It’s the 1.2 pure tech .

[@jammy_rex3038]

Brake failure 😮😮😮 Surely your confidence in the car will be shattered, I mean the same thing could happen again! I would get rid if I were you.

[@maartenk7513]

Yes, the vacuum pump can die due to lack of oil and that affect the brakes. Turbo failing because lack of lubrication can happen also.

[@Splitscreen83]

Had it for nearly 3 years in a 2021 208. Absolutely zero issues and used no oil.

[@carukchannel]

Great to hear 👍

[@paulocapelas2881]

Miles?

[@kikochaiadventures]

What engine does your 208 has?

[@Ilkleyscot]

Good advice get rid of it

[@stuartwatson6345]

Had 14 plate DS 3 with 1.2 110 pure tech , cracking little engine . Changed oil every year with total ineo and put 40000 miles troubles free . Sold down to French dodgy electrics and faulty electric steering . Didn’t change belt in seven years of ownership , maybe I was lucky .

[@timmytimpster3807]

Yeah whatever

[@stuartwatson6345]

@@timmytimpster3807just stating MY facts with MY car is all down to decent oil and regular change

[@mustafaunal8740]

In my country we also see almost all problems that you’ve mentioned here for 1.2 puretech. What makes things worse is the way how services aproch these issues when customers ask for repairs. We can’t speak of customer satisfaction for those brands.

[@avit24]

Well said brother!

[@carukchannel]

🥇

[@stupossibleify]

We had put a reservation on a 2020 25k miles Corsa 1.2T, full Vx service history. Drove it and it was wonderful - I was smitten. Came back next day as I didn't check the oil on the first occasion. Took oil filler cap off and was horrified to see a severely cracked cam belt. Asked the onsite service tech for his opinion and he told me a common issue. Became very well educated on the issue over next few days and cancelled my purchase. I suspect that even if cracked belts are replaced in time, the damage in low oil pressure from oil starvation is likely already done. A disgrace that the average buyer doesn't know what they are committing to until they search for specific terms in forums. Even some of the respected online magazines fail to mention this issue in their Used Buyers Guides.

[@adamsaunders9876]

Positive post.....my wifes ds3 owned from 4000 miles to current 45000, changed oil every year 5000 miles ish, changed belt at 40000 and still like new!! Never had any problems, burns no oil , great on fuel and 110 bhp goes well , feel like we have been lucky now

[@PiotrPilinko]

My wife has Peugeot 208 (2017) had to change the belt at 37k miles - but that's it. I have 3008 (2019) and have no real problems with this car: just changing oil every year. And I have no problem with rust (which I cannot say about my previous Japanese cars).

[@antoniomiranda5727]

Have 2 1.2 non turbo from 2023 with 45k km each. No issues at all. belt is still the original.

[@rabnbeinn]

I've just traded in my 2019 Crossland X Elite Nav with 45000 miles on the clock for a new Grandland Ultimate, I have had no trouble with the Puretech engine at all and the belt looks visibly ok, no eating up oil and no excessive smoke issues. I've found it to be a great little engine.... Lets hope the Grandland is just as good, but I have no worries in that department as it's all covered under warranty for the next 3 years. All engines these days seem to have their own problems, but as with this video it's good to be shown/told in an easy to understand way what the problems are so we can stay on top of any issues.

[@GeoPrice]

2018 Vauxhall Crossland with full dealer service history, owned from new, 48,000 miles and major issues with wet belt in December 2023. Dash warnings, no oil pressure etc. Vauxhall replaced the wet belt under warranty even though the car was out of warranty. Cost of repair was listed as £2500. Now traded in and out of our hands.

[@kingsknightuk]

how the hell did you get Vauxhall to do it out of warranty??? my best friend has a newer crossland X and he has been told his parking sensors are not part of his warranty. that randomly go off all the time when your pulling away!

[@reececollison5101]

@@kingsknightukif it’s got full dealer history and the engines gone bang then there really isn’t a lot they can say against it. In that case you’ve clearly adhered to the manufacturer guidelines

[@tonyyoung3634]

Got a 308 with a 1.5 diesel and 8 speed gearbox superb unit.

[@allanbriggs9007]

I've had two Peugeots with the 2.0L diesel engine. Absolutely bombproof and plenty of power.

[@danhaywood5017]

My E208 needed a new electric motor at only 3K. Peugeot had my car for 1 and half years trying to fix it. On collection Their was also a bad repair to the door were they damaged it. Will never own a crappy stellantis product again!

[@pauladams5673]

We've had two cars with this engine and both have been very reliable and durable. One car is on 85,000 miles and the other has 40,000 miles. No problems. I think the issue is as engines become more efficient and less polluting than they used to be, oil and filtration is much more critical. I suspect the wrong oil is being used. Although, I'm aware of the cambelts breaking down on early cars, there is no longer an issue. We changed our cambelt at 65,000 miles.

[@contra_plano]

They pollute and Will be always ineficent

[@JacobianMatrix9]

What model are those? 2020+? Thanks!

[@pauladams5673]

@@JacobianMatrix9 Peugeot 308 SW 2016 & 308 2018

[@allanbriggs9007]

My mechanic (a European specialist) indicated that the later 1.2 Puretechs had improved substantially. Early ones had cambelt and oil usage problems.

[@shaka7594]

A lot of these problems are probably those who either use wrong oil or just don't service them properly/regularly.

[@kieransewell659]

Brilliant video Lee I had a 2009 Vauxhall insignia 2.0cdti the a20dth engine that also suffer with oil problems I didn’t know that at time well not until the oil pressure light came on and seized the engine the annoying part of it all I had cambelt +waterpump and clutch and dual mass all replaced the month before 😂😂

[@dartskipper3170]

I've had a Vectra and two Insignias with 2.0 CDTi motors. Only had to replace water pumps with belt change. None of them burnt oil. None smoked. I bought the last one when I retired. 140,400 miles on it, serviced regularly, still doesn't burn oil. You must have got a Friday afternoon model.😊

[@dzonikg]

@@dartskipper3170 I have Insignia 2.0 diesel 2016 ,now is 240k km ,replaced belt ,water pump and small chain on 200k km. .ITs more reliable car i ever had .Insignia before facelift (2014) have some problem with some seal ring so you need to change it after 100k km ,its 10 euro part but people forgot to change it and it made huge problems

[@darcos7535]

Talked to my local dealer here in Germany, and they had no failures, but did replace a lot of belts. They just stayed on top of it. They are a very good repairshop though.

[@benyaminewanganyahu]

"they had no failures" - but dealers don't drive cars. It's the customer that has the failures. (After the dealer doesn't fully inform them of the issue.

[@allanbriggs9007]

@@benyaminewanganyahu Then repair shop should tell you - ours does. He's a European car specialist mechanic. Worth his weight in gold.

[@graemew7001]

Slight correcton Lee, 250 ml per 1k miles means 2.5 litres per 10k not 1 litre as stated. To put that in perspective, my 13 yr old, Fiat on 122k miles uses 100ml per 1k miles/ 1 litre per 10k which is think is acceptable, I wouldn't be buying a wet belt engined car, no matter who makes it.

[@dietznutz1]

Yeah, that's an insane amount, my fiat with 72k 1.2 fire uses no oil despite it seeing 5000 rpm daily, oil change every 5k no exceptions.

[@graemew7001]

@@dietznutz1 Mine is the 1.2 Fire too, a cracking little engine and I service mine every 10k and it never gives any problems at all. I don't know about rpm, mine doesn't have a rev counter but it does get some hammer in 3rd on slip roads to get up to speed, other than that driven gentle. I do wince sometimes when I do it, I think "weak gearboxes" and ease off lol.

[@dietznutz1]

@graemew7001 if yours has the same ratio it's 30mph in 1st, 60 2nd, and 85 3rd, mine just threw some misfire codes, gone now and haven't come back 🤷‍♂️, I don't think 69hp and 100nm can break any gearbox

[@graemew7001]

@@dietznutz1 Oh I'm well safe then lol, I've hit 65mph on the speedo once or twice so about 60 in reality and changed up. There's a short slip road on my way home from work that needs a heavy foot in a Panda otherwise I don't do it.

[@dietznutz1]

@graemew7001 yeah, more than two people in the car I'm done, put a cheeky homemade intake on it they sound pretty nice, premium fuel makes a little difference mine was pulling strong to 90 the other day, unheard of, had to let off 😂

[@Mateusz-ne5zg]

Having Corsa 1.2 Turbo 100 HP for almost 3 years, 31000 km. No cracks on cambelt so far, it doesn't drink oil so far. To summarize, for those who are wondering about this engine: 1) The engine doesn't like short (e.g. 2-3 km) routes. It's funny because that engine was designed for city cars which are from definition used that way. On such routes oil temperature doesn't have time to rise enough high, so there is not enough lubrication for the engine, plus there is another major problem: gasoline bits which leak to the oil can't evaporate, gasoline is mixed with oil and such mixture deteriorates the cam belt much faster. The main threat for belt is not the oil itselt, it's the gasoline which didn't evaporat from the oil. 2) From the reason mentioned above you should use only 0W-20 oil. Why? Because it reaches optimum temperature very fast, which allows it to protect engine better and clean itself from gasoline remnants. Keep in mind that before your engine temperature is 90 degrees, avoid agressive driving, keep your RPM below 2500 RPM. 3) Change your oil once a year or after 15000 km max. This is the most important condition for keeping the engine safe. What kills this engine in most of the cases is intervals of 20000 km+. It's way too long. 4) Replace the belt preventively 60000 km at max, even if it doesn't show any signs of degeneration. It is inevitable and it will happen around that mileage no matter how well you take care of your car. While doing it you must tell your garage to remove oil sump and clean the oil stainer since it will be most likely filled with little pieces of cam belt that were gathering there for years. 4) Check your cam belt visually every couple weeks, as soon as you notice any cracks, change the cam belt, plus clean oil stainer. Some also recommend using engine flush, but it's up to you, PSA so far haven't recommended procedure like that. 5) Use good quality gasoline. Some say the 98 one is less harmful for oil and cam belt. That's more or less it. It's an engine of special care so if someone has no clue about cars and thinks that if you buy a new car means you just drive it for 5 years without opening the engine chamber, current Stellantis cars are definitely not for them.

[@9256steven]

I dodged a bullet with a 1.2 Peugeot 108 from Arnold Clark. Can you imagine the heartache I would have had, I found out just in time. I am keeping my old 1.2 Corsa twin-port which doesn't ever burn oil and has a chain drive for the camshafts.

[@paulbuckland132]

That's two bullets dodged .....😂

[@skrimshanker1]

spot on Lee, great vid..Pureshite is closer to the truth..

[@carukchannel]

Yes I was being polite 😁thanks for watching skrim

[@franifer]

My beautiful 2001 1.2 Corsa is coming to the end of its life, its been with me over half my life and has been incredible :( and I was thinking about replacing with a like for like but this video and Vauxhalls move to Stellantis have made me think differently... sad times.

[@chrisblay]

Designed to fail in my opinion. Good that you’re sharing the knowledge, for others to avoid these.

[@alanpatterson2759]

They want you out of petrol and diesel cars!

[@michaelclarkson2218]

@@alanpatterson2759 I agree. My same thoughts exactly.

[@alanpatterson2759]

@@michaelclarkson2218 There is a plan to take us out of these cars and put us in buses and trains.

[@MartyVentura]

I've had two citroens in recent years, a C4 Cactus and a C3 Aircross, both 1.2 PureTech, both have belt issues at around 23k miles. The Cactus seized up and had to be scrapped, the C3 Aircross is booked in for a timing belt replacement in the next week, due to obvious sign of wear/pending failure of wet belt. It's ridiculous that these vehicles are sold to the public. Thanks for the info mate, great video!

[@poseidon201]

Great video, your knowledge is invaluable!

[@user-kb9eh7dx8y]

Lee I think you're absolutely correct Get rid better still never buy one ..

[@karter5351]

Agree, I had a Vauxhall Grandadland on. 20 Plate, can't to me on 38k from a daily rental fleet through a leasing company. It liked a drink of oil. A bit of a misfire sometimes and then at a nays under 60k it started throwing 'oil pressure failure messages' when cold. I googled it and found 'Der Cambeltun Schitzunselfun' as they say down the Opel Film Club. The Belt In Oil, BIO degrades and blocks the oil pick up. Daily rental fleet wanted to change the oil and filter. I refused to drive the thucking fing 1000 miles a week because it would have been me stood on the hard shoulder when it grenaded. AA towed it off into the sunset. 5 months later, it's had a owner change (V5C issued) and it was on and off sale, taxed, SORN and now untaxed. I reckone the daily rental offloaded it, poor dealer bought it, MOT'd it and sold it only to find it went 💥 Late Nov 2023 I waved it goodbye and we are now nearly six months later and it's still untaxed

[@dzonikg]

Its reason i want change Opel (vauxhall ) Insingia 2.0 diesel 2016 any time soon .Now is 240k km on clock ,i changed belt and small chain on 200 000 km and that is it,no oil consumption and anything like that .Why people buy newer stuff in they are inferior to older ones

[@TurfShifter]

I got burned by one of those in the 308 SW. Dealer knew it and sold it anyway. No oil after a few days of driving. Dealer naturally refused a return. Fortunately the finance company confirmed the fault was at point of sale. Car now returned and hopefully next week I get all my money back. Lesson learnt.

[@thomaswalker1258]

Apparently from 2018 and newer they used different and cheaper materials therefore the 2018 and newer cars will break more easily. At our dealership we had 3 1.2 litre engines go within a month. You will also find soft discs and pads too on the later models. Really any Stellantis car you want to avoid that now also includes Alfa Romeo, fiat and jeep. Also I think Vauxhall have put a 10 year warranty on the wet belt because of this reason so if it breaks after the warranty it should be covered

[@daniellantos26]

And that’s why I still have my 2005 407 runs like magic 😊

[@brandywell44]

You must use the correct SAE grade and correct ACEA spec for your engine. It is such a specific requirement nowadays. Mannol oil available on ebay is good value and should be available to your engines required spec. I prefer to do my own oil and filter change every year (around 2500 miles) to make sure its done right. A lot of MCC Smart cars engines failed because of non robust piston ring design being clogged and ruined by the incorrect spec oil.

[@Lightmaker5]

We need conversion kits from wet belts to chains. I hope more companies start to make them for all cars.

[@Azan-k3m]

I think the most reliable 1.2 engine is the one in Suzuki swift after 2010 it gives 50 mpg all day and is 94 hp with a timing chain and also the emissions are very low so the road tax is £35 per year. I have a 2010 Swift with this engine and it has done well over 100,000 miles and doesn't burn even a drop of oil the engine still sounds and performs like brand new.

[@PaulRFRT]

Avoid all Stellantis group brands if you are looking for recent and reliable gasoline with after-sales service. Former owners of a 1.2L Puretech 110hp, we only had problems with: faulty segmentation, excess oil consumption from 60000 km, 1L every 1000 km, ventilation broken, belt in the oil to replace, speakers sometimes broken. We understood that keeping this Peugeot would be a financial pit. We sold it to a professional because Peugeot, well aware of the problems with their cars, does not do trade-ins. Thanks for the video

[@glennstalley9195]

My God! Thanks for this. I was looking at Peugeot 2008 or the Ford focus eco boost. In fact I was going upto Manchester to buy a Ford focus eco boost this weekend. Thanks honestly, I'm not going anywhere near it now.

[@waskus]

If its the 1.0 Ford eco boost engine, that has problems too😉

[@JeanClaudsDamVan]

Thanks for the heads up Lee…We’ll add it to the list….Prinz puretech and eco post….Keep it coming good bud ….😉

[@svenujdenica3049]

I bought a c3 83 hp. When it goes over 50,000 I will sell it, and then buy a c3 again, etc. The engine is fantastic. It requires regular maintenance. The engine is fantastic. I work at Citroën, and we have noticed that the atmospherics are much less prone to belt problems than the turbos. The atmospherics change the belt around 80 miles, the turbo 60 miles. On longer distances, they consume less, I repeat, the engine is fantastic!!!

[@moonhand8311]

An engine that requires "regularly servicing " is not the definition of a good engine

[@Darkelf7201]

Amazing Lee. Why oh Why did anyone think that wet belt system was of any use. Even the AA man told me, when they first came out, watch all the crap get sucked into the strainer and cause engines to fail. That was on a Peugeot we had at work lol :) Awesome video. At least you let people know what NOT to buy or at least be cautious :) Thank You!!

[@carukchannel]

Thanks for watching darkelf

[@leelee9788]

We did the wet belt on my brothers 20 plate corsa it only had 38k on it so you'd think it should be OK but turned out we caught it just in time as it was perished badly

[@carukchannel]

Smart move 👍

[@purpleplush100]

It's good to hear an honest opinion of these engines. Unfortunately I didn't know this before purchasing a Grandland 1.2 2018. From 2 weeks in the oil light came on I have put 6 litres in 4 ½ months through that car and it's not on the floor. Piston problems spark plugs and coil pack. Oh and the battery, the battery light on the dash bored is just there for decoration as it doesn't come up if there is a problem, the car reacts as though it has gremlins, throwing up all sorts of problems on the dash apart from the battery 😂. The car is an industry joke and should be treated as such. The family that have spent thousands on new engines. Hopefully I can get the car rejected. Currently sat looking pretty outside but a horror story under the hood.

[@cookiemonster2299]

Think I'll stick with my 308 2.0 hdi, never liked the idea of the small 1.2 engine in something like a 308 SW and now you cemented my opinion. 👍❤️🇬🇧

[@svr5423]

toyota uses plenty of small engines and they don't blow up :). I would simply not buy french car stuff.

[@mnz97]

Those are amongst the most reliable engines out there. If you take care of them, they will last forever. Adblue versions have problems with the system but you can simply remove it and do a remap... you will be good to go for another 100k miles.

[@allanbriggs9007]

@@mnz97 That's correct. Brilliant engine - they have resolved the Adblue problems in the later versions - no problems now.

[@Altair885]

Fantastic information, thanks! Starting to think it's almost like built in obscelecance with some of these engines. Perhaps vehicle manufacturers started to realise they were building vehicles back in the early 2000's that were lasting too long, so they had to introduce ways of killing them off after a certain time.

[@Mr.Wrong1]

I have had 5 cars in a row with these 1.2 or 1.3 engines. Never ever had any issues at all. Never failed me once. 🤷‍♂️

[@alphatrion100]

5 cars since 2012. 🤡 So only 2.4 years a car. How many miles? I bought a new honda in 2009 and i still drive it every day. Its at 150000 miles and uses no oil.

[@Mr.Wrong1]

​@@alphatrion100congratulations

[@alphatrion100]

@@Mr.Wrong1 Thank you. Buying that car all those years ago was a great financial decision

[@alphatrion100]

You SHOULDN'T have issues after only 2.4 years with ANY car btw. Hell, You should have any issues with a car after 5 years. That was my point.

[@BenSamuel-d6l]

@@alphatrion100 Honda civic? Nice car and one I would buy new now if only they didnt only offer a hybrid which I do not want.

[@Kart_N]

Everyone talking about the wet belt not being great, but is there an kit to change the wet belt to an Metal double Chain, that would fix all problems...

[@greenzero3389]

If they suggest up to 250ml of oil per 1000 miles 5:47 Over 10,000 miles that's 2.5 litres of oil not 1 6:00 ? Up The Railwaymen 😆

[@kimbrabant9450]

Yes I'm glad you also picked on this! Cheers.

[@kimbrabant9450]

Picked up on it I mean!

[@jeta1f35]

Great informative video, thanks. Between this and the Ford Ecoboost fiasco this takes a huge number of cars out of the running if looking to buy a small, economical petrol car for around £4-5k from the pre '17 low road tax era. I work in the Ford environment, the going price for an ecoboost (3cyl 1 litre) wet belt replacement is around £1800!

[@we-are-electric1445]

Another great video. Plenty useful information with a bit of entertainment thrown in !

[@carukchannel]

😁👍

[@agiugabenson7268]

Have a 2019 308 bought when 6 months old. Been main dealer serviced and no issues. Plenty of poke and relaxing on a long drive. If you look at forums then most engines of any type have issues eg carbon build up with direct injection engines etc. Get the bus if you are not prepared to properly service your car.

[@shill6449]

Also, Puretech engine ; £500.00 belt change. My Ford EcoBoost; £1800.00!!!! Thankfully, many manufacturers are returning to the good old timing chain. Ford and Nissan from around 2020, also VW.

[@davewatsit3740]

The Hyundai I10 1.0 2014 also suffers from oil issues. It actively smokes and i believe that the oil rings have failed due to crank case pressure causing oil to be pushed into the combustion chamber caused by a failed PCV valve. Replaced the valve but the damage is done, as the 3rd owner its too late.

[@carukchannel]

Yes I have come across this

[@bikeman123]

Have a 2015 i10 1.0, no issues

[@martin1125]

I'm starting to think the same as you, I've had all sorts of problems with these engines, emissions and the catalyst not working properly I've come across a few times. Trouble is there are so many cars they are in and they sell well. The job isn't getting any easier is it!!

[@bondjamesbond9041]

As an owner that keeps their vehicles a long time, I thoroughly research vehicle reliability. I will only buy petrol Suzuki, Toyota, Honda or selected Mazda vehicles. For example the Suzuki 1.4 Boosterjet turbo engine is chain driven and if properly serviced also very reliable. It also has great economy and is pretty quick too!

[@benyaminewanganyahu]

Problem is japanese cars tend to not be very roomy or wide which is what you want in a family car.

[@robgibbsofficial]

My 2020 C3 Aircross is regularly serviced and usually uses a litre of oil every 10.000 miles when the light comes on. Cam belt changed at 60k miles. No issues at all and the car has done 93k miles! Brilliant car faultless

[@georgefeaton7341]

My son bought 2018 peugeot 3008 with this engine and it had wet belt problem after having it just over a year .he got in touch with a peugeot dealer who inturn got in touch with peugeot and because he had full service history they fixed it for free new belt oil pump ext .even though car was well out of warranty. So its worth speaking to your dealer you may just get it fixed for free

[@stevenwilliams-mp5wo]

Thanks for the info , thought my 1.4 vauxhall engine was crap but these sound worse will stay well clear noted

[@davidgreenwood5241]

It always amazes me how these vehicle makers with years of experience can make these mistakes

[@skimmingstoness]

Whatever they can get away with, the majority of folk that buy these cars wouldn't be 'car' people or enthusiasts but common sense would tell you putting a 1.2 engine in a 7 seat people carrier it is going to struggle.

[@brianboeing9799]

Years of Experience 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, biggest fools in Motor Industry Buy Japanese, period.

[@davidjames-rp6oi]

@@skimmingstoness built in obselecence

[@jimmyjt16]

Amazes me that they keep putting them in their new models. I guess it’s far cheaper fixing the small amount that fail under warranty than developing a new engine? Once out of warranty they don’t care.

[@davidgreenwood5241]

Ye I think your right

[@ronbosgra8230]

Thanks! my wife has a 2019 3008 with the 1.2 and I'm actually looking at a different car, but pretty much all cars have turbo's and many with wet belts. I was really put off by the costs (only heard it from Ford owners) but now knowing that the 1.2 PureCrap engine is a lot cheaper, and accessibel for me to inspect, it's actually worth a shot because 2010 SUV's etc are costing the same as high specced 2018 1.2 Pure Tech cars.

[@paulillingworth1242]

Sounds much like the Ford EcoBoom unit, old PSA XUD TU engines were brilliant had them years ago, currently have a chain drive Ford petrol, doubt I’ll be swapping it out for any with these new exploding sewing machines.

[@HologramJones]

From 2022 on, Puretechs are chain driven. The 1.6 I believe has had a chain before that. Anyway it's Dayco (the belt manufacturer's ) they issued a recall, so you can't single out Stellantis for it. The recall is affecting Ford, VW and many others. With the Puretech if you follow the servicing to the letter and use the exact same oil in the changes everytime you shouldn't have a problem but they still recommended replacing the belt. All this info is out there online.

[@Kuriatz]

I'm considering getting a 1.6 petrol from October 2022. I should be okay right?

[@HologramJones]

@@Kuriatz those have a chain and there doesn't seem to be any reported problems but if buying used, the usual used car checks are advised

[@Kuriatz]

@@HologramJones Appreciate it thanks!

[@theodorgiosan2570]

Yes and GM has wet belts made by Continental. I've never heard of one failing at this point. But only GM used Continental. Every other company used Dayco. Dayco makes crap belts in general. I won't run them on my car and it just has a single regular V-belt that drives the water pump and alternator. Nothing else. It will eat the Dayco belts in 10,000 miles where the NAPA green ones last 30,000.

[@HologramJones]

@@theodorgiosan2570 LOL all wet belts are problematic including those Continental ones. It's how the manufacturer deals with the problem in the design and in maintenance. The Stellantis ones at least don't cost a fortune to replace.

[@andyb2515]

Have a 17 plate Citroen C3, with 1.2 PureTech, 25,00 miles. Excellent car, have never had to top up oil between regular services. Moved away from Citroen dealer as it was a rip off

[@PiotrPilinko]

My wife has Peugeot 208 (1.2 PT 110HP, 2017) - cam belt has to be changed after about 4,5 years after about 37k miles. This car also had some "swimming" accident after a storm (in a underground garage) - cables on the floor were replaces: do rust for the last 3 years. It uses about 1 liter of oil for every 6k miles. I have Peugeot 3008 (1.2 PT 130HP, 2019): no problems with cam belt till now. And actually no other problems at all.

[@riaanduplessis3667]

This video has given alot of info thank you sooooo much

[@PsychedMedia]

The Peugeots in my country with these 1.2 engines doesnt have the issue as our service interval is 10k KM's.

[@KeithBartlett-ym8ly]

Hi, I am told there is a chain conversation kit available for these engines now that solves most of the issues ?

[@carukchannel]

Yes apparently but not come across it yet. Sadly this will not resolve the oil consumption issue which is the main reason I will not buy them.

[@ioanbristow3376]

HOLY FCUK! Good job I spotted this video, I was close to buying a Peugeot 208 GT 2020. It looked great and was excited to get it but now I can't 😭 Thanks for the advice

[@grubbuk]

me too