Do NOT buy this Bluewater Sailboat! $130,000! Ep. 200 - Lady K Sailing

[@LJ-jq8og]

VIDEO SUGGESTION: Down the road do a video on "slip fee"expenses across the country and the other pluses and minuses of owning a boat for us NEWBIES. Like insurance too... Maintenance and your thoughts on same... LOVE your videos... ❤ Might see you in Annapolis too...

[@barryoneill2056]

We bought a 1989 43' Irwin MKIII 2.5 years ago from Sodus Pt NY. Traveled down the Erie Canal then sailed to Boston and then down to Key Biscayne Fla to the Bahamas 2 winters in a row! What a beautiful cruising boat this was!!

[@svechappe6075]

I've seen several very well maintained, well preserved Irwin 52's. This was not one of them. As for the IP 38, that interior wood looks to be in rough shape. If you can see it in the pictures, that means it's really bad in person. It looks like the boat spent some time further south.

[@bruceklein9008]

Everyone I've ever talked to has praised Irwin's.Said they should be on my short list. The boat brand I've been told to avoid is O'Day.

[@dlinkjunk2142]

I agree! Who says these things friends don't let friends buy Irwins! Have they ever owned one or sailed one?

[@CaptainDustinAllen]

Yes they have an that’s why they say don’t buy an Irwin! Get on a proper boat and you’ll see the difference.

[@jeremyk496]

My first "real" boat is/was an O'Day 25 CB. For a 42 year old boat, she is still in great shape. I've had the typical issues of such an old boat: a couple of soft spots around stanchions and I did have to rebuild the transom (from the inside) due to a poorly maintained lower rudder mount seal that weeped into the wooden core. These were easily fixed. The boat is laid out like a much larger boat and has been a lot of fun for my wife and two young kids. I did a LOT of research before buying a "trailer sailer" and settled on either the O'Day 25 or Catalina 25. Both have very similar specs. but very happy with the O'Day. I love that the weight is in the shoal keel and not in the swing keel (like the Catalina). That means, she'll sail with the CB up, down, or any position in between. One of the key specs. that I kept my eye on for these small boats was Capsize Rating (sailing the Great Lakes). The O'Day 25 comes in at a very respectable 2.02.

[@MaxMoraMaxland]

It’s been a blessing to have stumbled into your channel as I want to get a sailboat for myself

[@r.williamcomm7693]

Agree. This channel has helped me tremendously.

[@charles.neuman18]

I have learned that that's a common problem with pre-1989 Catalina 30s. They put plywood at the keel joint, and it rots and then causes the keel to loosen. It can be fixed, but later Catalina 30s didn't have this problem. They stopped putting plywood there.

[@ES-xc6fk]

Its cool you are now doing a consulting service on Sailing subjects. I had suggested that to you way back when use to message you about my Grampian G23.

[@3rdWest]

I love the "what scares me" comments. I learn more through those comments than anything else. Good video. Thanks, man.

[@chrispeters4405]

diesel fuel tank contamination from bilge water....huge operation to replace the fuel tanks. compression test on the engine. fresh water tank contamination, also requiring extraction and replacement, replumbing.....boat may never come back together again the right way.... agreed on undue moving parts, the more moving parts the greater failure points, no center boards for me... keel bolts are a crucial area. typos in the ad are red flags for me

[@davidburgess2471]

Tim, I just listened to your comments about the Catalina 30. I have an 86 C34 which had a similar problem. The early boats had a plywood spacer between the hull and the bilge floor. In my case, water had leaked from a crack in the keel seam and up through a couple keel bolts. Some of the plywood showed rot in some test holes. We cut open the bilge floor, dug out the plywood and built up layers of fiberglass according to Catalina instructions. I imagine G10 could be used to speed the process. A dirty job but certainly doable. We also lowered the keel a few inches, cleaned the mating surfaces, new sealant and a couple layers of fiberglass over the keel seam and there have been no issues since.

[@LadyKSailing]

Hey. They ended up buying it a week or so later. They may love to chat with you if you're available.

[@Jason114752]

Congratulations on episode 200 👍🏻

[@dufffredq8]

Not to worry. I won't be buying anything for $130,000 especially when that's just the beginning of expenses.

[@iamnotpaulavery]

You remind me so much of my uncle, may he rest in peace. I've always been into cars, and when I was 17, I was going to spend $1,700 on a '79 Camaro. Luckily, I asked him to give it a look-over and sure enough, the car had been in a major front end collision and all the steering components were literally jury rigged back together with *wire!* I could have easily lost control of the car and had a very serious accident! I learned so much about cars from him! At one point he had a close friend that was selling a '69 Camaro SS - in 95% grade A condition. The only thing it needed was paint and some engine work due to it having been sitting for almost 15 years. It was a bit pricey, but I had the money in cash ready to go. Unfortunately, someone else found out and bought it out from under me!! Today, that car would be worth in excess of 30 grand - at least, because it had the 396 engine and the two rows of square louvres over the carb and all the chrome was *pristine!* I could kick myself for not making the decision right there and then. My uncle had looked it over and said it was in amazingly well kept condition! I better get to what I was going to ask you or my head will explode!😡 Tim, you had mentioned in one of your videos that a particular boat maker builds their hulls from thick fiberglass, then let's it sit for a month for curing/drying. Which company was that and which others build similarly stout hulls?? Thanks Tim!!

[@Lighthouse6b]

Catalina had a problem years ago in that the deck around the mast was too week and under normal stress, the deck wound arch up and loose deck support. That may be what you saw. Later models had strengthening of this area to prevent the flexing. I forget now but it may have used a steel plate.

[@hansvanderbent5574]

Retractable keels are a normal thing around the Netherlands, I have one too. Though I sail lakes, and not oceans. I understand that people who are known with retracteable keels wont post anything about it when all works normal ;-)

[@donquesenberry]

Great episode, hopefully, I'll see you next week in Annapolis

[@faircompetition1203]

That keel is exactly why I would be looking at that boat LOL

[@cal331986]

Tim, HeIlo again. We are from Buffalo, just south of you. But we live in Thailand now. The offer stills stands. Come visit us. We can do either racing or some cruising to great islands, or both. It would be great fun.

[@sterling19]

The first boat - would that keel issue suggest it's had a hard run aground?

[@chrisparker9886]

Exactly, definitely needs the keel removed and checked!

[@MickeyFourZeroFour]

Was also thinking that, a hard grounding would inflict the back end to be pushed up and the spider web of cracks in the front from it being dragged down

[@barryoneill4876]

Please list all your qualifications. Are you a Certified Surveyor?

[@kjaubrey4816]

There are plenty of people who have passed a test, and even more still who have a degree, but are still horribly incompetent. This guy has experience and knowledge. I am not concerned with his certifications.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

@@kjaubrey4816 university of life bro

[@GreatCreative]

There's a beautiful Island Packet 350 for sale in BC a $132K. I couldn't figure out why I disliked it until you explained the yellow thing. It's not what I'm searching for, but it is a nice one.

[@shanep5121]

Can you find soft spots on the hull by diving on the hull, or must the boat be out of water?

[@neiltreadgold5720]

For European boats this is a common practice and most boats are designed to sit on the hard at low tide. Nothing wrong with this. As for the Catalina 30 keel stub repair, it is the reason for the smile on early 30's that used wood as a keel filler. Its a 4 day repair and super easy. I just did mine by digging the wood out and using Marine Coosa board and re-glassing back in. I cant comment on the 17k boat, but its not a hard fix other than time. If all you have is under 20k most boats are not looked after like a more expensive boat. For most it doesn't justify the care from owners, please also bear in mind that most boats that are this price are 40+years old and need some love and repairs. I been on newer Benny's and Jen's that have faired worse at 5 years old.

[@sailingwiththeerros9139]

200! Congrads.

[@jimdiamond8246]

Is a cal 2/46 a good ocean going sailboat .

[@Viendopiedra5029]

Saw the exact same thing with cracks on a Cat 38 last week. There was water in the bildge as well

[@LadyKSailing]

shoot

[@LondonCarnaval]

Awesome video captain 👌👍👏 Thank you for sharing and educating us 👍Love your videos and always looking out for new ones. Best wishes and kind regards 👍👏 ✌❤🍀 🌬⛵

[@svdoinitright7519]

Mike's Crab house North in Pasadena is closed for the season. Mike's Crab house in Edgewater (the main one) should still be open.

[@hoalewally]

Try Cantlers out Rt 50 before the bridge

[@drwindsurf]

This has been a very helpful video - Thank you

[@RedemptionReady]

That Catalina is junk. A broken keel stub floor is work. High copper and iron in a marine diesel... I'm betting the entire isn't run much. Copper would come from the heat exchanger, wrist pins and rocker arms but because iron levels were elevated with it, it's not coolant related but lack of running. So each dry startup after sitting is adding to it. Also because marina diesels are not drained from the drain plug but rather suction those two metals would build up if the owner is not running the engine for a few minutes prior to changing.

[@mikenagy938]

I had to laugh when Tim said "he might be mean". Tim that is just what I want in a surveyor, no, a junkyard dog kind of a guy. I want that guy out there tapping every inch of the hull, lifting access hatches and growling a little under his breath. A guy who rolls out the sails and checks every light. HAHA, a badass. But then I have lost my lust for boats and cars also, but I almost bought a Jeanneau 36 the other day it was so gorgeous.

[@Mad1Mike]

How can Mike's close during the boat show!?

[@maverickmyrtlebeach]

What's your take on all those boats that got damaged in FLA. How could someone get a damaged sailboat and move it, get it up and running if that is possible or worth it ? So sad to see so many lives changed in a few hours of wind & water.

[@Yeaitstemp]

also problem with most sellers they think there boat is worth way more than they think because of the connection they made with her

[@ericmartelle9122]

What would be the difference in inspecting a cat vs a monohull?

[@timothysherman8927]

Friends don't let friends buy Irwin's lol , you really pissed that guy off ! ( Still laughing )

[@rainfinger]

Your daughter has beautiful eyes. Keep the content coming.

[@edfrawley4356]

Surprised if that Island Packet is still for sale when you get down to the boat show. And Who in their right mind would close a popular crab shack BEFORE the biggest boat show of the season? Nobody. At least nobody in their right mind. Thats a guaranteed week of standing room only and people lined up down the street waiting to get in. Hope you have fun at the boat show and have a good meetup with Captain Q and Randay. His series and your current series dovetail perfectly and would make a perfect collaboration.

[@LadyKSailing]

Oh I need to get in touch with him!!! Ill see if I can find

[@jimlofts5433]

@@LadyKSailing take a tin of dinty moores - when he and Ran Day get the munchies they will find you

[@PyeGuySailing]

I was looking at island packet 27s as an option for a smaller boat but on paper the grampian 26 seems to be a superior option..they're cheaper, well built, standing head room and bluewater capable.

[@genesmith4019]

Right! A Grampian is superior to an Island Packet. Love it!

[@LJ-jq8og]

GREAT VIDEO 💪🙏

[@jacobmajors3021]

I am currently in the process of putting in a offer on a oceanis 393. Was curious on your thoughts on these? For a single person and potentially two people one day cruising in the Caribbean? Boat is in good condition but I was wondering if you have any thoughts on these?

[@nobody1841]

Cat 30 sounds like someone want mast rake so the cranked the stays so hard they are driving the keel up and deforming the cabin top by the mast.

[@NotOnYourLife]

Some interesting boats, even the ones that did not fit the $130k criteria. I hope there will be a part 2 of this price point since you really didn't have time to do your usual thorough job.

[@glutenfreegam3r177]

Probly not your boat but there is a Lady K here at the marina I am staying currently.

[@danknox9986]

Wow, Debbie Downer this week. I enjoy the buy this more than the don’t buy this videos.

[@dlinkjunk2142]

Tim we own a 38 CC Irwin and absolutely love her. Not a fast boat but a sound and strong boat. If an owner didn't take care of let's say their Island packet and put lawn furniture inside and tried to sell it for more then it's worth would that make all Island packets bad? As a KZbin influencer now please explain the comment "friends don't let friends buy Irwins" and your reason to put that out there.This can give a bad rap to all Irwin owners like Hunter got. You yourself said there a some good Hunters and I agree. But let's not just say dont buy these boats because you wanted KZbin hits as you said in your next episode. I have watched your channel from the beginning and like your videos but don't sink this low man we like you. Even if this wasn't an Irwin I wouldn't not agree of making statement like that without backing up your opinion.

[@CaptainDustinAllen]

Irwin’s are some of the worst boats ever built. Look at the materials used and the way it was built originally. He’s spot on. Friends do not let friends buy Irwin’s. Im a Surveryor and iv surveyed Irwin’s. Issues from Oil canning of the hull, to delam, to cheap interior quality. I understand that you own one and have had good luck with it but do not act like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about or is “slipping”. Knowledge like this helps people avoid costly and even life threatening mistakes when buying a boat. Im glad he’s on here telling people the truth.

[@dlinkjunk2142]

@Dustin Allen Wow you are a sad surveyor to put out a general statement like this. As a professional surveyor you should know that could hold you liable for this statement if you cause my boat value to depericate. Please back your statement up with some actual hard evidence not your opinion. What materials are you refering to, what part of the boat was not assembled correctly, what years or models? A good survey can back up a general statement that would lump all Irwins into one junk category. I supose you say the same for all Hunters. Where did you get you qualifications to be a surveyor?

[@CaptainDustinAllen]

@@dlinkjunk2142 man, this guy can judge who’s a good surveyor and who’s not. Wow he must be so knowledgeable. Yah. People say friends don’t let friends buy Irwin’s but it’s all just a lie for no reason and we’re wrong and y’all are right.

[@dlinkjunk2142]

@@CaptainDustinAllen A good surveyor would know that 'Oil Caning' can happen to any boat if jack stands and slings are not properly placed per the boat manufacturer. Unfortunately a lot of yards don't know where these points are as most require this to be umder a bulk head. So are you telling me that all Irwins that have been properly slung and stored correctly have Oil Canning issues? That's a mighty bold statement. Please provide facts that Irwins tend to Oil can more so then all other boats. A professional surveyor would never make a statement without evidence to back it up, do to liability. So please show me this evidence or withdraw your comment.

[@CaptainDustinAllen]

@@dlinkjunk2142 your statements are hilarious. This guy totally knows a good surveyor when he sees one. Just like he knows a good boat.

[@LancerOMD]

any directions for joining your discord? tx

[@Yeaitstemp]

I need to learn how to KZbin lol I have tons of experience I work and sail boats for a living

[@boatsandbits7091]

Dude the anchor on the Island Packet is a Spade anchor, even better than a Rocna.

[@LadyKSailing]

That was a rocna vulcan

[@boatsandbits7091]

@@LadyKSailing My apologies...it looks just like a Spade

[@charlespayne1061]

I'd Walk on the 27' Island packet too, Florida is overrun with them like palmetto bugs!! You can't even pee off the side of your boat without hitting one!

[@robertkreamer7522]

Irwin’s are just dockside live aboard their glass work is a bit suspect and many details on old ones as you show

[@tommays56]

There is always used and then used UP

[@kapiteindonut]

For a 130k I would buy a Hallberg Rassy or buy a 100k boat and do a 30k refit

[@superformOG]

whats the discord channel?

[@seanrhone5306]

Just have to point this out "He had an engine survey done, specifically on the engine"? Glad he was specific about what he wanted surveyed on the engine survey lol

[@LadyKSailing]

Sorry hahahaha my script writer was drunk. Wait sh!t. I'm the only one who works here hheheheheh

[@iwoodie]

Question; have you seen these boats personal? Is it not very risky to downsize all these boats from a screen? Are you a boatbuilder? Where comes the ‘knowledge’ from?

[@biblicaltheologyexegesisan9024]

your daughter looks just like her daddy how awesome oh the vid was good for the red flag the floor of the bilge and cracked floor

[@Paul-ou1rx]

That Irwin interior reminds me of the lawn furniture I had in my first apartment. But hey, it was easy to carry up 3 flights, disposable and free.

[@LadyKSailing]

hahahahha

[@dlinkjunk2142]

Just because this Irwin has lawn furniture and the seller has it over priced does not make Irwins a bad boat and to avoid buying them.

[@josephglenny9540]

@@dlinkjunk2142 the interior on our 46 looks nothing like that, it’s stunning, I assure you 😂. Annapolis to Boston under 5 days, not bad for a fat bottomed girl with all the comforts of home….

[@svthebayviewcafe7675]

god i love your videos

[@nodogrunner]

Really don't want a religious war but, why not paint teak? The interior would be so much brighter and less cavernous. Is the answer to this question really just a preference or is there a real reason not to paint teak? Does teak hold moisture if you paint it?

[@LadyKSailing]

Shots fired! lol. Kidding. Teak is an oily wood and benefits most from oil.

[@nodogrunner]

@@LadyKSailing It is a problem that it makes the interior so dark. Spending a lot of time in a small dark space brings you down. Seems like there should be a solution.

[@andreahuntjens3763]

@@LadyKSailing We just sanded down (gently) our teak trims/combings grab rails on our'91 IP 38.0..then oiled them...they look beautiful. Next spring is stripping the cap rails & oiling them. Interesting note on swing keels..our IP 38.0 has a swing keel that gives us 7'7" in the ocean. 4' full keel normal draft. Keel operates in the push pit...super feature to have ! Andrea s/v Miss Moneypenny

[@OehlJim]

Iron and copper in the motor oil?? Junk motor!

[@patony_1288]

Consult is not a good idea when you are thinking about something like a boat, Just think, A new buyer might not be able to explain a problem that might need an expert to physically look at right then and there and save you a bunch of headaches, So no, That's a thumbs down on the consult for me, I would feel 100% more confident if you were standing there side by side, You might see something that I didn't notice.

[@LadyKSailing]

Consultation is different than prepurchase inspection absolutely. However both are offered on my website. Consult is more to help people with questions ahead of looking for boats. I get 3-4 people a day wanting to talk on the phone or FaceTime and I can't keep up sadly. Love it to be free but if it costs a little, only the serious folks will actually ask for help.

[@anonpers0n]

Most of my sailing was done on an Irwin 32 and I agree do not buy Irwin. Not quality from what I've seen

[@jmsask]

👏🍻

[@CaptainDustinAllen]

All the Irwin defenders on here seem to have never been on a solid boat. Please go look at how the Irwin’s were built. Look at the methods used and the materials. Compare them to a solid boat like a pacific seacraft or a island packet. Just because you have or have had an Irwin and it didn’t sink doesn’t mean it’s a good boat. Irwin’s are down right dangerous boats. Iv surveyed many Irwin’s. I have worked on boats professionally for years and I would never recommend an Irwin to a client. In fact I use Irwin and hunter to explain the difference between a dangerous boat and a solid boat. I show them evidence of why Irwin’s are poorly built dangerous money pits. Oil canning hulls, cheap interiors, thin fiberglass, poorly screwed down hull to deck joint, the list goes on and on. Sorry, not sorry but do not discredit this guys knowledge. He’s spot on, even if you don’t like it. FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS BUY IRWINS!

[@TheDigitalMermaid]

Scotch!! ^_^

[@stevesheliflying]

Tim, friends don't let friends buy Hunters, or Chevys. I would like you list your credentials to speak about boats (Irwin to be exact), or any other brand. I hear people like you poo-poo Irwins and it ticks me off. Do you think the Irwins all around the world were flown in? I own an 1989 43 MKIII Irwin. Last year when I put the bow thruster I found the glass in the front was close to an inch thick. It gets thicker as you move aft. The idiot who commented below about the glass be suspect has probably never left his mom's basement. If you feel the need to bash Irwins because you found photos of one that's been neglected, maybe your next video you should go to Florida reporting on damaged boats and tell people not to buy them because they brake in a storm. Sadly new boaters will watch this video and mistake you for someone who actually knows something of what they speak. Keep your vids to something you actually know, and can back up with actual facts. Thank you..

[@yellowsubmarine98]

First!

[@tomcraddock244]

A surveyor may have som knowledge of sailboat construction but every time I watch your channel your sitting in a corner of your basement.I like to get my information from a reliable source ie Capt.Q.not some sailor wantabe! Get a life

[@nonyayet1379]

how do i send you an email sir?