Cat vs Mono - The REAL DEAL - Episode 129 - Lady K Sailing

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Comparing sailing catamarans to sailing monohulls in this episode of Lady K Sailing Everything you need to know.
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[@MrNewcast]

The orange has moved.

[@billyehh]

I sailed monohulls all my life until I retired and became a snowbird on a used Voyage 380 Catamaran in the Eastern Caribbean. Every boat is a compromise. You do one thing and the are consequences in an other area. My biggest complaint is that it does not sail upwind very well. I did not have the budget to buy a Catana with daggerboards My solution was to motorsail when beating. Unfortunately, the pictures of cats that you show are what I call Condo Cats, big boxes with lots of room but sail like a log. My boat is very comfortable for four, will hold more but small enough to single hand and rigged just for that, all reefing etc is done from the cockpit. I try to keep it light, but that is a difficult chore, need more spares. The bulk of your talk is about seamaship, which all sailors should practice. Weather, weather, weather. you are right. A cruiser stays at anchor until it is good for him. Unlike a charterer who is on a schedule and has to go go go. The resulting nice sail puts a smile on my face. To sum up, know the strengths and limitations of you vessel, practice good seamanship and it will really reduce that stress you talk about.

[@charlesbarnett8885]

I have lived inside an 8' x 10' box for 21 years (ie, OTR truck driver) my ocean was concrete and asphalt. I'm thankful for this episode's description of the monotonous living arrangements. So with that in mind the final decision is catamaran.

[@LA_Viking]

I grew up on boats. My extended family was or is in various commercial marine industries. That, plus a disastrous enlistment in the US Navy lends some validity to my comments. At one time in my life I abandoned boating altogether and became fixated on mountaineering. But spinal cord injury in 2012 ended my climbing career and I am back to boats and I'm seriously eyeing one for a retirement home. In any case I want to touch on a few issues that I personally hold important. 1. Man, if you are going to stress out that much to where it takes years off of your life, you might reconsider you avocation and switch to golf. I understand you were speaking in metaphors but it doesn't change the fundamentals: sailing is continually stressful. A powerboat much less so. But that is an enormous unmentioned problem. No one manufactures a true displacement hull diesel powered vessel in smaller sizes. ..the kind that burns about 0.75 US gallons per hour. It is not difficult to find a true blue water sailing cruiser in the 28' to 32' range on the new or the used markets. Try finding a seaworthy and sea kindly power cruiser in that size range. If I could find one I would retire tomorrow and set sail, absolutely no exaggeration and no pun intended. If anyone knows of one I would be eternally grateful if they could send the name and the manufacturer's name to me here. 2. Life is too short to drink crappy wine and far too short to sail on an ugly boat. I know this is about as subjective as one can possibly get but I find catamarans to be hideous in appearance. They are the blue water equivalent of the proverbial inland houseboat that looks like a loaf of bread on a raft. To be brutally truthful, I can afford a nice catamaran. But to be even more brutally truthful I wouldn't buy one if I had Bill Gates' checkbook. 3. I see advantages to multihulls although the advantages are pretty much limited to power multihulls. I know more than a few people who become violently seasick even on protected inland waters such as the Intracoastal. In such cases the high initial stability of a cat might be just what such unfortunates need. I also see the advantages of power cats for law enforcement and military purposes. Their high speeds are well known. Lastly, I can see the advantages of multihulls as ferries. But I have an engineering objection to multihulls. There are far too many "connection points" on multihulls while a monohull essentially has none except for the keel in certain designs.. I'm not insinuating that cats or tris are unseaworthy. I am insinuating that they are less seaworthy than a monohull of equal quality of construction. And although very few sailors will ever find themselves in that situation, in extreme seas I do not trust a multihull at all.

[@WillN2Go1]

Good video. Honest. These days maybe it should be Mono vs Performance Cat vs Condo-maran. Performance Cats: Seawind 1600 (52') Light/Heavy ship 13t/16t; Outremer 55 13.9t/18.5t Lagoon 50 Lightship 21t, Lagoon 55 _29t!_ . I don't think many non-saillors who've been on condo-cats are going to like my performance cat. "Where's your hot tub?" The day I figured out reefing on a monohull (they didn't get around to it during classes) I learned two things: 1. The boat sailed at close to the same speed, but upright and 2. No body else (about 30 boats) out of Marina del Rey that day, in those 15-16 knot winds was reefed. Sure they didn't have to, but almost all were leaned over - very picturesque - but they could've been more comfortable. I'm sure they'd all share that widespread criticism of cats: "You have to reef by the numbers." Meh - I'll reef by the numbers. I've ordered a performance cat. Also when I began to dream of sailing, I had this mental image: after an exciting day of sailing, kicking back in the saloon looking out the window at all the wonderful places I'd sail to. Then I started looking at boats. A few had windows you could see out when you were standing up, a few had them lower down, I think the Halberg Rassys had both, and then there were the pilot house boats - but not very many. Why go sailing in cave? (At my house I have no window covering in the bedroom. I open my eyes in the morning looking at a 10,000' mountain.) I hadn't even considered cats - so I looked into them. Seaworthy? yes, plenty of glass? yes, do they implode in rough seas? Apparently they don't. A lot more expensive? Yes - but I've been saving up... Usually only one generator on cats, but now with more efficient heat exchanger HVAC units and lithium batteries, cats are going for larger, multiple alternators (12v and 120v on both engines) and ditching the genset. Hybrids are just now coming on the market. A few years before I got the sailing bug, when I got my Prius, my second thought was "this drive train would be great in a boat." I was a sea kayaker so I knew all the benefits of making as little noise as possible but I also understood the range/weight of a tank of fuel versus batteries.

[@thylacine1962]

Love your brutal honesty. So bloody refreshing. Divore finally cured me of the "will the wife kill me today" stress. I highly recomend it to any man in those circumstances. Great video.

[@MOTORVESSELFREEDOM]

I lived aboard a 2013 FP Lipari for 5 years and have been living aboard my 2019 Jeanneau 440. Both boats singlehanded? If you take 100 pros of the catamaran vs monohull debate. My (I said My) opinion is 55 pros to catamaran and 45 pros to mono for most people. It comes down to livability vs sailing to keep the debate simple.

[@pierred7183]

Hi, things you didn't mention : . Cats are more stable but they "follow" the movement of the swell (where monohulls "roll" because of the keel). People with seasickness issues will have problems on cats. . The structure of cats is less solid and durable than a monohull. A cat is made of a three parts glued together (and sometimes fiberglassed) and this is a weakness. A lot af cats have small cracks. A monohull is mpade of one part. . Big monohulls have a some space on the deck but you're right, equivalent cats have more space. . The sensations (and the possibilities) of sailing. If you compare a monohull to a motorbike, the a cat is an ATV.

[@Johnsouthshore]

A hurricane/tropical storm hit my harbor. One boat blew off.. hit 8 or 9 boats before the harbor master could get it.. you got it.. it was the only catamaran in the harbor.

[@eldiablolll3556]

2 anchors or 1? Out if curiosity of course!

[@Johnsouthshore]

@@eldiablolll3556 nkne.. on a mooring.. no anchoring allowed in the harbor. Mooring bridle ... provided by owner... chafed through.. the boat had been sitting there most of the summer.. the next storm that came through, a friend took a loop of stainless cable..padlocked to the mooring

[@eldiablolll3556]

Dang that's crazy. So its more on him being a crappy boat owner lol

[@Johnsouthshore]

@@eldiablolll3556 absolutely.. that thing was a cormorant hotel.. covered with crap

[@kapiteindonut]

Hi! I've been watching your channel because I want to buy a sailboat for long distance cruising and I don't know anything about sailing. So your vids really helps. But I do have a few years experience as a tugboat captain, so an anti-stress tip from me to you is, make lists for everything. Food, spare parts, potable water, fuel, life jackets, flares, basically every kind of stores should be listed and dated. Knowing all of that and keeping those lists routinely updated releaves 80% of stress. The other 20% is due to inexperience, bad behavior and unfortunate events. Which is unavoidable even for an experienced captain.

[@stephenmeyer3284]

I love your vlogs. You do such a great job with little bias. Having had both a cat and nine monohulls I think comparing them is like asking which is better "a sailboat or a ski chalet"

[@harrymurphey2634]

... to anchor a "multi-hull" ... you need to rig a "anchor bridle !!!" ... all the time !!! ... and sailing at +15 knots ... is a hoot !!! ... and +25 knts is breathtaking ... the Tri was humming !!!!

[@LadyKSailing]

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[@Raenman66]

Like the engineer in the movie "Apollo 13" said. "whoa, guys. Power is everything!"

[@coopw101]

A cat has more places to hide your fruit also. Peace and be safe out there.

[@aleroxit]

Wow! Great show. Thanks I'm surprised you didn't talk about the weird way cats shutter and bang when they go over waves

[@Penwiggle]

I have 2 analogies for the Cat vs Mono debate. Cat vs Mono is the same argument as Motorcycle vs Car, and the only right answer to both questions is: Cat vs Mono, which is best FOR YOU. Car vs Motorcycle, which is best FOR YOU.... for your finances, for your circumstances, for your needs. They are 2 types of vehicles for the water like cars & motorcycles are two types of vehicles for roads. Cars have advantages over motorcycles, and motorcycles have advantages over cars, just like cats/monohulls. 2nd analogy, in my experience of mono sailing, a monohull is like having 5 people in a 2-man pup tent on a hill. Cats are like a condo on water.

[@mfournier12]

I understand your reasoning on more power but I wouldn’t say it really decreases worries. As you started adding more things that run on electricity and each thing is another thing that can break and need repair. And most of the things you mentioned as worries are just part of sailing period. Personally I’m more a KISS fan. And I don’t mean the band. I mean Keep It Simple Stupid. For me all those things like two engines two generators more solar equal more things to maintain. More worries. My perspective when I started this sailing thing was from camping. You see the HUGE motor homes that have to stay at the KOA lot but are a hotel on wheels and then you have me a backpack a tent and a sleeping bag. Everything I needed to survive was on my back. But I could adventure away from campgrounds and roads and see wildernesses the motor home RV could not. So for me I didn’t look for a big yacht. A cape Dory 28 has everything I need. And I don’t worry much as it’s easy to maintain in comparison to larger boats it’s made to go anywhere and frankly I’m happiest at sail not at anchor. As soon as I’m somewhere I’m planning my next passage. But I also get it as space is limited my lifestyle on board isn’t for everyone (ask my wife) but for me it works.

[@livingsimplytosimplylive6817]

Oh My gosh I love how you add fruit to your background to make things just a little different. That is a great idea. I wish I would’ve thought about that for my KZbin channel.

[@svmagnolia]

Another great video. Your list of stress factors was spot on!

[@FlesHBoX]

Anchor dragging isn't a catamaran thing, it's a poor seamanship thing. It's probably true that it happens more often with cats because cats are the majority of chartered boats in the areas where they mainly sail, which means a much higher percentage of inexperienced sailors. Also, I'm not sure where you got the idea that they need more scope than a monohull. Cats recommend a 5:1 minimum scope for all chain, just like monos. anchor scope is based on weight/force that can be held. Since cats tend to be lighter than an equivalent mono, the extra windage of the cat is largely accounted for. It could be argued that the higher mass of the monohull makes it more likely that once it's started dragging it is harder for it to stop due to its momentum (which is typically a big plus for monos over cats). It's certainly true that cats move around a lot more at anchor, but I'd wager the vast majority of the bad reputation cats get here comes from inexperienced sailors and people just being bellends. Regarding reefing. Everything I've seen suggests that cats actually tend to be reefed slightly later than monos. While it obviously depends on the specific boat and conditions when you should be taking your first reef, most recommendations I've seen for cats is to take your first reef in 18-22kt of wind. Meanwhile I've seen a lot of monos that are thinking about a second at that point. Not to mention the typical recommendation I've seen is 15-20 for a first reef on monos. I suspect this is far more dependant on the specific boat than whether it's a monohull or multihull. Also, your reasoning for why a cat needs to reef sooner doesn't make sense. Cats have stronger rigging to accommodate the load, so if you're making the rig stronger to be able to handle the load, then it should handle the load, not be worse at handling the load. The example of Delos beating the cat wasn't high winds or rough seas, lol, I suggest re-watching that video. IIRC it was low 20s? I mean, sure that's "high" but even the guy in the cat in that video talks about sailing in 50kt. I also think that the cat reefed way early (he even mentions that he reefs 5kt earlier than when it should have been). I also suspect he pointed away for some reason, because they were at 40 degrees early on, but somehow Delos was pointing higher at the end. Higher than 40 degrees sounds incredible for a ketch, which means that he had to have pointed away at some point. They don't really go into much detail in the video, unfortunately. I also somewhat disagree with the sentiment that cats are "way way faster" than monos. This is *highly* dependant not only on which cat you're talking about, but also which monohull. There are monohulls out there that will give a fast cat a run for its money, but there are monohulls out there as well that even a lagoon could beat. At the top end I think I would agree though. The fastest cat (not counting racing cats) is probably faster than the fastest (non-racing) mono of the same waterline, though I think that has become a lot less true over time as modern monohulls have adopted more of the "racing pedigree" design concepts. Solar capacity is probably one of my biggest driving factors. I would love to have a monohull because there really is something magically nostalgic about them, but you just can't get enough solar on a mono right now. I want a zero carbon boat that I can cross oceans in, and right now that is just not within the reach of a monohull.... yet!

[@FlesHBoX]

I would also point out that there are several downsides to catamarans that you didn't list. 1. Despite having generally more room, cabins tend to be more cramped without sacrificing performance in catamarans. 2. Catamarans are much more prone to hobbyhorsing (you can sacrifice interior volume forward in the hulls to improve this) 3. Catamarans make (generally) more leeway unless you are willing to sacrifice interior space for daggerboards or add complexity and failure points with swing keel centerboards. 4. While cats don't heel more than a few degrees, some people find their movement uncomfortable when waves raise one hull then the other. Especially in confused seas. 5. Because weight is such a big issue for cats, some manufacturers/designers basically outright lie about this detail (printing light ship displacement as a weight, not including things like engines, fuel, water, etc...) which can make the purchase decision harder. 6. Kind of a good/bad thing, depending on which side you're on, but cats seem to retain their value really well these days, which means buying a used cat doesn't really get you much more for your money. While "there is no such thing as a cheap boat" this rule is probably a factor of ten more true of catamarans, lol. 7. If you have a cat you will probably have to put up with people who still believe misconceptions that were disproven decades ago about how you made the wrong decision, or assume that you can't sail. This is probably mainly true online on forums, youtube videos and comments and what not. Cruisers seem to be generally awesome people who don't care what boat those around them sail, and I suspect most of this attitude comes from armchair sailors online.

[@sergest-pierre6160]

I agree with everything you said. I charter several Cat and Monohull, and for live aboard, the Cat is better and I will try very hard to get one at retirement. I would like to add one more and very important advantage for the CAT. The dinghy davit. Yes, you can also get one on a monohull but the dinghy is blocking your access to the sea when on the davit.

[@stephenmeyer3284]

Bingo on the davit. A huge advantage

[@FtLMale1]

You nailed it, your dingy is your lifeline to civilization’s greatest aspect... shopping & visiting your neighbors, so anything that improves its usability is a big pro.

[@timevans8223]

We have a mono and hard nesting dinghy with a 15hp Enduro. No davits. Dinghy stows on deck. We moved from a cat to mono because we enjoy the sailing. Its not the same on a cat. To weather the cat is poor. Down wind the cat is king.

[@erinleblanc2694]

So great to see you twice in one week !! bonus, well done. And LOVE the tie die shirt.

[@ericfleming5522]

You are *absolutely right* about the potential for monotony on a monohull, although it depends a little bit on your deck layout. There's usually some place on the foredeck of a beamy, sloop-rigged monohull to hang out when the wind is light. A current Island Packet has a lot of coachroof eating into the foredeck, and the hoyt boom for the staysail clutters up whatever's left. As a general rule, though, you're right, you fall into a routine pretty quickly, and a routine can quickly turn into a rut if you and your shipmates aren't careful.

[@JanetWhiterealestate]

You do a great job of explaining your position....enjoy your work

[@DB-ot2cr]

Love watching your channel and I personally fine it very informative and relaxing. Thanks a mil 👍

[@donk.5730]

Hi Tim, Great video. Thanks for the critical assessment. You deserve funds for your 'kitty' . Thank you...

[@johnenry]

Your summation of the "stressors" cracked me up. Can't wait to live the dream :)

[@Nifilheimur]

Another thing in monohulls favor is marina costs. Atleast here in Northern Europe a slip in the marina is priced by the beam or with of slip needed and its quite more expensive to park a 30 foot wide cat vs 15 foot mono

[@ketchingmy2ndwindonsvchops459]

Well done and informative!!

[@Electronics.guy.101]

good stuff as always!! maybe as they build more cats the price of the used ones will come down!

[@albertoantunes9579]

I agreed with you in most but one big misconceptions !!!!!! Cats are not faster , maybe just in a few special cases against more old traditional monos. You just have to look at the data from ARC races. Most monos are faster at long legs , only the trimarans carbon fiber ( over a million dollar) won the monos . The Lagoons arrived days after many monos and with a lot on engine hours !!!!! Like you said when you have a cat you are always afraid of push a little harder. I much prefere my aluminum mono with a retractable keel . I can bit any cat cruiser, go as shallow and it is much safer . My dream boat is the Garcia , also have a high deck inside with a lot of light and ventilation like the cats. But I am happy with my Alliage , going around the world in a few years .

[@stephendaoust3148]

Great episode! Thank you!

[@grantpeachey6908]

awesome vid Tim liked the weather stressor O hope that orange is not the same one as last vid glad though you moved it (lol) fruit on the couch was stressing me

[@majorboner8784]

What a wonderful video like talking to an old friend tnx for sharing mate

[@romansivers]

Great video, as always! Thank you!

[@keysersmoze]

Love your channel, Lady K.

[@TrevPulver]

Yeah, "Win the lottery" indeed. I'd dig a catamaran as well, but having the money to afford one is a dream in itself. Thanks for the video man!!

[@zapperguy1]

I love the un biased great incite on what to expect. keep up the great content

[@Russellsperry]

Another great video, I learned a lot.

[@nonoiscool98]

This is definitely a good comparison. In my research I found cats have a tendency to pitch poll. So another reason why a catamaran sailor may want to slow down. As far as spillage newer performance cats will heel up to 20 degrees in some cases I have read. Basically to each their own, but I feel a nice boat like a Garcia 45 is more like it. They have a nice panoramic view from the saloon. You get catamaran levels of natural light, and center board for comparable draft. With the heavier blue water friendly payload and storm riding capabilities of a mono. Which makes them great for high latitudes. Plus nothing beats aluminum hulls for durability imo. Again to each their own lots of people have circumnavigated in catamarans. There is no such thing as a one size fits all boat.

[@guenthermichaels5303]

Delos has never been in the Med..the race was in Madagascar...Nosy B. I have been considering a cat for 5 years, but my opinion has changed. A single monohull is much stronger than 2 hulls attached to a platform...In extreme weather, you batten the hatches and the boat is MUCH more stable. Speed? Look at the ARC crossing records.. the cruising monohulls usually beat the cats, which is surprising because you are sailing with the Trade winds.. Comfort and price? I am looking at a 64 Jeanneau, used.. $1.1 million USD.....you don't get anywhere near the boat at this price in a cat, space , luxury, and comfort are not an issue. Cheers from new subscriber in Toronto

[@SkylaneCaptain]

Your last point about things to stress out over was very relatable. It reminded me of the old airplane owner joke....What's the difference between a non-owner pilot and an owner pilot? When the non-owner pilot hears a strange noise he thinks "Oh no, I'm going to die!!", when the owner pilot hears a strange noise he thinks "Oh no, how much is this going to cost??" Lots of similarities between owning a plane and owning a boat I think.

[@Ron-zr6se]

There are clear advantages and disadvantages to both hull types. If I was hanging around the 40' - 50' range I would go with a cat but since I am considerably larger, I went with a mono. Though some would still go with a large cat and that is fine to. Do what is right for you.

[@markayers5397]

Nicely done!

[@healer81]

From the research, cats that are seaworthy to cross oceans and last long enough start off at 1-1.3 million dollars. There are so many monohauls that were built in the 70s and still can cross oceans but its hard to say a cat can last that long.

[@michaelcostanza1529]

Great episode......list of stresses nailed it

[@paulharris5704]

Cool answered a lot of questions! Now I hear a ton about the Caribbean now how about some blue water cruising the Pacific & South Pacific and the sailing vessels please

[@johnglowinski1321]

Great vid Tim

[@k1mgy]

This will seem apostacy, but honestly I've been looking at trawlers. Power and space are the greatest concerns. Where to put the treadmill and how to plug it in! A diesel would do, but bring noise and dollar burn as we go. The trawlers big sofa is overboard: treadmill space. Your pro/con list was a mind-changer. Well thought out and VERY helpful. One thing omitted - where to park the thing. I imagine my floating house will eat through the boat parking meter budget, fast. I can easily imagine all those panels and, given my engineering ways, the setup will be very efficient, potentially perpetual, and as if I were at the dock. Can one ply the ICW with a cat?

[@c0utin]

As always, great video! Fair winds from Brasil

[@ejw4300]

great video. thanks a lot

[@waykiwayki]

last few minutes very good....I lived off grid up a mountain....voltage / batteries was on my mind so much...as was solar, water from mountain, and 5 other things......boat would be 20 things........it is stressful, Maybe better to charter each summer and enjoy that way.

[@moriver3857]

Great video, and good points on cats and monohulls. What? No banana or orange on the couch? I've always admire cats because of their living space but probably if I had the mula, I'd buy a fifty something monohulls, instead of a 42/44 Lagoon, or Leopard. The windage issue is real, and the added maintenance is obvious. Cats are abundant in the Bahamas and the Caribbean because they are best for island hoping in a day or so, with the right weather window, and plenty room to rest docked or at anchor. Speaking of dockage, most cats have 50A plugs, which most marinas have less of, compared to 30A power connections. They are beautiful to watch, and above the waterline living space is awesome, and great for entertaining guests, marketing anchorages, and movies, but I take the monotonous monohulls any day. Having a beer on the foredeck on a beach folding chair, under a canvas tent watching the scenery is pricesless and a great stress reliever. And I only have a 33". Hope the people on the capsized cat got out okay. A lot of boat below the now waterline. Refloating her is a serious task.

[@gymcoachdon]

1. Well found boat 2. Really big anchor 3. Lots of solar 4. Watermaker Interesting that I learned some top stress reducers from a cat vs mono video!

[@PastorwithoutaPulpit]

I'm older and not as nimble as I once was and neither is my wife. I also have a special needs son that will live with us for the rest of all our lives as we are his primary care givers and I wouldn't want it any other way. I say all this because if I ever want to make my dream of sailing the islands a reality I have no choice other than a Cat to be honest. The main reason would be the healing and rolling of a mono hull even at anchor they roll and rock. Yes Cats do as well but it isn't as pronounced and my son would be able to move around enough to keep him happy and be much less frightening. So I guess that's my reasoning for wanting a Cat that might also align with others...

[@PP3D]

Now you should talk about Tri vs Mono 😊

[@kaylaandjimbryant8258]

Although we are still leaning heavily towards a cat to retire in, monos have not been ruled out, and that Catalina 545 looks sweet, but in the same price range as a Fountaine-Pajot Elba 45 that we like. Too bad Frank died a few months ago (COVID? The statement at the Catalina website make us wonder if it was). Now we are wondering what is happening with the company. I put in a request for a PDF brochure for the 545, but that hasn't been responded to in a couple of weeks.

[@Sailrbean]

Buaaaaahhhhaaaaaa🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂what’s with the tangerine 🍊 now ? I love your way to make sure we’re listening... thank you.

[@bwdz75]

The way I compare a cat to a monohull would be by price, for the price of a 38' cat I can buy a 50+ foot monohull and the room and speed start to equal out plus all the advantages the monohull has sailing and it is still easier to find a spot at a marina for a 50' boat then it is for any cat. Cats are good for parties and entertaining or if you need to have kids or guests in a separate hull for privacy and peace. I have literally been on 2 cats, a Lagoon 440 and a Leopard 46, neither was impressive in any way short of having a "living room/kitchen" that was more open and airy and the wife likes the nets on the front. They sail downwind a little faster in light winds, that is about it. Having raced boats since I was 7 the feel is just not there for me. They are condos that sail not sailboats.

[@barkerk100]

Monohulls release pressure by heeling, cats require crew to take action to release pressure before they break. Personally, I prefer monohulls, but if I’m lucky enough to sail with 3 generations of family it’s a cat every time.

[@FtLMale1]

True, except with a modern rig... it can be reefed by the captain while remaining in the cockpit, mono or cat.

[@alainguay5486]

Love all your vidéos and all other KZbin guys and the Bahamas and bikinis but all you captains always making à big deel about THE CROSSING wtf come sailing and lobster fishing with me spend 105 days on my sailboat in nova scotia cape breton and the gulf of st Laurent. I have done the ditch To florida and the CROSSING Bahamas and back To Nova Scotia. You guys are hot water mermaids

[@vanislerider7311]

I understand that one answer to the constant high pressures on the rigging etc faced by a cat is to go with a free standing mast, which like a monohull will 'spill' the wind if it gets too be too much.

[@mytime1613]

The largest boat I own was a Pearson 530. I would never trade her for a cat!

[@erichyney6287]

I think my number one stress point would be- do we have enough beeeerrrr🍺

[@mrmattson]

You should do a short segment on the quirky Beneteau Sense. Seems like the best of both worlds.

[@edboatman2725]

What about the comparison between the monohull and the trimaran? I think that you trade speed for interior space.

[@sashababich827]

On point, as always...

[@isaiah30v8]

Now gonna go look for that Delos vs Catamaran video.

[@isaiah30v8]

Found it: . kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYfWiY2tgpanqJo . .

[@RobertPrinsloo-em5ct]

Hi and thank you for the really interesting videos! Question : why Beneteau over Jeanneau? You talked about how you prefer their look over Beneteau… Thanks again! 👍🙏

[@samaipata4756]

Our beloved boats guru has spoken! I absolutely love how you always shine a light into perhaps not so obvious things and find point of views out of different angles giving us so much more valid points to consider when looking at boats! And the way you are telling your story is so captivating we all wait desperately for your next episode, to be once more again gloomed to the screen until it is over and the whole waiting game repeats itself! It is very comforting to know that we still have some highly capable minds left in our Canada, during this time of political insanity! Sailing away seems the only option left, eh?!😉🇨🇦⛵️👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@armslength2618]

The first boats I sailed were all cats, culminating in a Tornado. My present boat is also a cat (also with a trapeze). They are not 'all or none' as far as lean is concerned. There is a gradual transition from horizontal to someplace you don't want to be. In fact you try to get that windward hull out of the water a little and keep it just there as long as possible; actively managed lean so to speak. Even on a Gunboat 68 the same principle applies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hny6dIGwaN6lrtk You do a lot of attitude management with the traveler, daggerboards and then main sheet. The third step is to get close-hauled as possible to bring the on-beam vector (against sail and hull windage) down in a savage gust. Sort of like a yawing version of the keeled monohull's roll to dump excess force. You have to have your wits about you - that's the juice. But I've never seen anyone rounding up in a cat, and never heard of a cat broach until they changed class rules to allow spinnakers on the Tornado. The hulls are very sharp and steep so there is no slamming in chop or swells. At worst I'd slice down into a sharp swell up to the crossbeam at which point the cat would stop and back itself out with the hulls popping up like an animal backing itself out of a rabbit hole. At which point it took off again like a scalded cat, so to speak. Assuming the crew didn't swing off or get washed off the boat. I never ran a spinnaker. There was also a masthead hook on older models that caught into a grommet at the head of the sail and held it up to take pressure off the main halyard. Reefing did not exist. If things got momentarily really hairy, you'd try to get yourself cross-jibbed and sat there with the rudders set so you'd just get pushed backward to sort of keep very close-hauled without tacking. Trimarans are a completely different species however. They'll sit there and bury the lee hull down to a point and just lock in there. Then eventually the rigging snaps or they flip. I think I'd be very uncomfortable in a trimaran in heavy weather.

[@markparent5479]

What do you think of the deck saloon style mono's? Like the Moody 41/45/54 DS? Bit of both worlds.

[@mvaughandurif]

A while back I watched a Delos video and they were at anchor filming in the cockpit and the boat was rocking and rocking, and I thought that is no way to be at anchor which made up my mind for a Cat … and the boss says she prefers Cats… Positive for monos is that you can get easier access to marinas in some regions in Europe.

[@stephenmeyer3284]

Agree with you, but monohulls are easier to find a parking space most everywhere, not just some regions in Eujrope.

[@tyroneshulace3203]

In these comments below is the apt comparison of a car to a motorcycle. Same goes for comparing a cat to a mono. Compare a 32' cat to a 48' mono or a 42-45' cat to a 65-75' mono. You will see the attributes start to equalize very broadly. On the hardtop of the 70' Schooner Yaba you could probably get 3000-4000 watts of solar. Recently whilst working on some design parameters for a 70' LOA x 20' beam mono did come to realize it has 5 times the volumetrics of a 35' mono but with only twice the length. Comparing ratings of 64T to 13T as per a 35' mono.

[@98oz82]

Hi, love the channel. Can you answer a question for me, why are the hull windows on yachts so small? Surely if you have enough bracing you can install larger ports?

[@LadyKSailing]

Hey I'm not sure. I know some people make sort of shutters for their windows to use in a storm. Perhaps it's to prevent a blowout and subsequent intake of water. Also most monohulls are designed to be able to be upside down and right themselves so perhaps that plays a factor. Cats on the other hand cannot self right so the risk of windows blowing in doesn't matter. My thoughts anyway

[@jeffsherwood5259]

So if I understand (not being a sailor) if I had a catamaran I’d have to buy twice as much beer just to distribute it across both hulls. Got it! Tri-hull it is!

[@peeterleppik1845]

Really good points. Too bad PDQ didn't survive.

[@seanclark1164]

Man this stuff is gold.

[@krzysztofkrawczyk6320]

love you too man! ❤

[@artfulalias3984]

The cat vs. mono mental exercise is somewhat of a false dilemma. There is necessarily so much generalization and assumptions. Are we comparing a J boat to a condo cat? Or a steel cargo gaffer to a racing cat? A better exercise is to compare a specific cat to a specific mono. The ability to carry weight is under-emphasized in monohull comparisons too. Not so important for two week charters [unless you start piling on dive gear and compressors]. But critically important if casting off the lines for long term and remote places.

[@SuperJV4x]

in terms of blackwater tanks, I would have supposed that boats dumped it at sea. The whales poop there, everything does. Unless there are harmful chemicals of course.

[@iBradWatson]

I know this is off subject, but could you do a video on making a sun setter? You’ve talked about them, but I’m having a hard time finding a recipe. By the way Great Video. 😃

[@ilesfarms1314]

Why we don't see many large 40 ft plus cats in the great lakes? ​ @SV Échappé mentioned that "dockage in the great lakes for cats are scarce" and that's a good point. But I believe that if there was a demand for wider slips, marinas would build them and charge the cat owners accordingly. It's not a money issue, certainly, there are no shortages of multi-million dollar pwr and sail vessels around here. It's not a real estate issue as most marinas that I've visited are not at capacity. The only reason that I can think of and similar to many parts of Europe is that cats just haven't caught on in this area (yet).

[@michynature]

Shorter time between waves? More hobby horsing I would think plus if you’re living on a Cat, it’s most certainly not on the Great Lakes.

[@jevidar]

Any chance we can get you to give the background on Prout catamarans?

[@kimmosiven1625]

I think less gadgets less worries! But some gadgets makes your life easier....if they do not break. What do you think?

[@wallywood4982]

tks

[@mattman237]

Can anyone ID the boat type at 7:31? Thanks.

[@Nick-is-cool1234]

Hi, I’m a monohull sailor, but would consider a cat. How about an equal price comparison. Ie. let’s say a same age, same price, longer mono vs a same price, smaller cat. Maybe a 50ft mono vs a 35ft cat. If that’s possible.

[@lubberwalker]

A Catamaran gives your partner a door to slam. Unfortunately, mine won't even come aboard, so it's a mono for me.

[@richardlinneman594]

What about ability to sail? Is the cat or the mono easier to handle? Soloing foot for foot which is easier?

[@andre1987eph]

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[@GreybeardMO]

Old vid... you still reading this? How 'bout Deck Saloon design mono hulls? I'm starting to think that these are the future of mono hull designs. Something like the Sirius 40DS has a very 'cat like' indoor/outdoor living space in a much more traditional hull. Love to hear your opinion.

[@ilesfarms1314]

I didnt know about the windage issue with cats...interesting. One cat at our marina (lake Erie leaminton), I think its about 35 ft. We never see large cats around here dono why....

[@svechappe6075]

Dockage in the Great Lakes for cats is scarce. Not many slips have the needed width.

[@tomkiefer2386]

You almost lost me during the early cat bashing part of the video. Glad I stuck around for the rest of the show. Fair comparison.

[@jonwor95]

Cat's float up side down as well as right side up...

[@petec9686]

On the safety issue, you are correct. A mono can sink. But if you do, it's because you fucked up. A proper bluewater monohull with its hatches closed absolutely will not sink. Deploy the drogue, batten the hatches and hang on tight. So long as you keep water under you, you'll be OK. A cat, OTOH can pitchpole if it really gets nasty. And if it does, yer fuct. It ain't flipping back over. It is inherently stable, shiny side up or down.

[@pmc291]

All the more reason to cruise the Great Lakes regardless of your vessel.

[@peterengel7885]

It is really all about orange vs banana. Talk about stress when you mast breaks. Its exciting I tell you.

[@oldfunsfrontporch5390]

How about a tri hull. Or whatever it is

[@kencarter3616]

I have had only one spot for the last year. My "Lazy Boy", and I'm in my house.