Do NOT buy this Intel CPU in 2024...

[@johndough4871]

I have a 14600K and tuned it myself. Its been fantastic.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

i5s are going very strong and have very, very good value for money. Great stuff!

[@Roll_the_Bones]

Same here, it's such a great cpu. mine's on air, and never breaks 68C. and even then, only once or twice. The actual performance difference to the 14700K is about -5 fps with a 4090, and -10fps against a 14900K, on average, which is nothing like enough to justify going to those. 14 series i7 & i9 are really intended for genuinely heavy-duty productivity, and I don't see any point in them for gaming, the extra cost, plus the need for expensive AIO cooling & extra case fans, just makes zero sense for gaming, at least to me.

[@Roll_the_Bones]

Getting increasingly impressed by this channels content, it's dealing with the stuff I want dealt with! Thanks.

[@RavenDestiny]

Thank f god you're a life saver, I've scoured the internet for answers, all my regular tech channels and outlets and not one of them have given a realistic take on the 13th 14th gen issues. Its all hot takes and "f intel, never trusting them again" and hardly any solutions or advice for people who just bought one or want to know if its safe to use them normally. I appreciate your content man, keep it up and stay honest.

[@westfield90]

I have a i5 14400F. Zero issues. I’ve been told that it’s a locked CPU and can’t be overlocked. But I’m looking forward to Arrow Lake to build my first system.

[@Roundhead75]

I see an article saying they have found the real issue and a bios update is coming out in a few weeks.

[@jlrockafella]

Latest bios shows now the degradation of the p-cores & e-cores. Mine are @77% & 78% and anything over 70% is still OK. I run it in baseline mode which is lower than stock in bios.

[@GopalChatterjeeezioisgod]

I have an i9 13900k since last year undervolted to offset adaptive - 0.100 mv and locked to 54 P cores and 42 E cores! i have an asus z790 e wifi, am i safe? now i am worried!

[@PatchyTheDoge]

Apply a torture test for an hour and watch if the pc crashes (a degraded cpu will try to boost to 5.5 ghz and will fail, sometimes will crash the pc altogether) IF the cpu crashes, RMA the cpu. If you cannot rma the cpu, you have to OVERVOLT the cpu (not undervolt) to compensate. but try to rma the cpu , is the safest option

[@khensationalReviews]

Don't be worried. As long as you lock your cores its perfectly fine.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Since it's undervolted properly and with locked cores, as long as the temps are in check you're very safe. Rest assured and thanks for watching :)

[@seanpaul211]

Q: i ddu my Intel graphics adapter by accident now I can't get it to install back getting error code 8 any fix to install it back?

[@jjlw2378]

I bought a 13900k in Nov 2022. I ran at 5.8p/4.5e/5.0ring since day 1. When all of the news came out about Intel stability, I decided to reach out to Intel even though I never had any issues. I asked for a refund instead of a replacement. Intel never asked for proof of instability or anything. I provided the original receipt and after a couple of back and forth emails, Intel gave me a full $599 refund! I basically got to use an i9 for almost 2yrs for free and now Intel is paying for my ArrowLake upgrade!!! I wish this happened every generation. Lol.

[@gwonzz]

Does your 4090 undervolt video apply today September I wanna undervolt my gpu

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Yessir it does!

[@gameotic1]

Is MSI load line in Z790 Tomahawk motherboard set to "Mode 9" safe? It was set on previous version of BIOS which has micro code 0x123 and the AC/DC load line was 0.4/1.1 mOhms which helps lower the voltage and I had no crashes so far on my i7 14700K. I've updated the BIOS to 0x129 which by default set CPU lite load to "Mode 16“ and AC/DC load line was set to 1.1/1.1 which increased voltage and power consumption so I keep everything the same but drop down CPU load to previous "Mode 9"(which was default on previous BIOS) it helped the CPU to lower the voltage on idle and lite load scenarios. Now 2 days ago MSI again launched 0x12B(beta) but I'll wait for your review and wait for proper release because I'm not risking on beta version. So far I've tested several UE5 games like Black myth wukong, the final and also tested cinebench R15, R23, occt and some other tests and so far I have found no errors or crashes while testing these programs and games.

[@walllec]

I have i5 12400 overclocked to 5200mhz, ram 6750mhz - don't need ANY cpu upgrade anytime soon.

[@onoffgeorg9828]

what mobo?? 5200mhz???!! lol you break the bank !

[@ImWateringPSUs]

12400 (and 12400F) are still going VERY strong! :)

[@79cachepomdua]

Which mainboard made u done this far, sir?

[@walllec]

@@79cachepomdua it's b660-g strix but same can be done on asrock b760m pg riptide

[@louiienation8497]

I have an i9-13900k and i am running it with a small undervolt in bios.. should I be worried about it?

[@riot5093]

he says not to worry if your running an undervolt however if your still worried you could always get a contact frame, or if you need a new cooler you can go for the arctic liquid freezer III 360 that comes with an intel contact frame, I got it for my 5800x3d and my temps have lowered from like 80c to 50c during gameplay. It was also only like 70-80 usd

[@ImWateringPSUs]

I’ve you’ve been the only owner and you’ve run your CPU undervolted and well cooled, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about :)

[@louiienation8497]

@@ImWateringPSUs thank you for the response. Yes first owner of the cpu. Going on 1.5 years of owning it. Recently Undervolted with one of your tutorials :-)

[@louiienation8497]

@@riot5093 thank you. I will for sure change the contact frame soon. I just repasted the cooler so that kinda sucks lol. Wish I knew about the contact frame sooner. I might as well upgrade cooler and my power supply while I have the case open to get ready for the 5090

[@emp1985]

Small PC business/shop owner in Guatemala here... between economy being down, Intel distrust and AMDs crappy 9000 series, sales have gone WAY down. Intel is not selling because "it's risky", and AMD 9000 is not worth it, so after a small survey, customers are deciding to hold on to their money and keep their current systems, interestingly usually being 11th/12th Gen Intel or AMD AM4 systems.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

I'm really sorry to hear that, here in Italy I see that what's going the most is Ryzen 7000, 5000 series X3D chips and 14th gen Intel also is selling pretty well. It's not a bad idea to offer a good price to buy their old system, or offer partial upgrades, if I can make a suggestion. Lots of cool new cases to offer too :) Speaking as a fellow seller!

[@ajo4788]

Is the intel high latency issue related to the degrading or is that due to win 11 scheduler not knowing what big or little core to use for the task at hand? I have read from user opinions the crashing and Bsod’s are related to the large problem mentioned here and the latency was due to win 11 can someone shed some light on this thanks.

[@QQWoLPHie]

I got a prebuilt from abs its got a 4070 a b760m c gigabyte motherboard and a 14700f, got the most updated bios to f11d, gigabyte has my turbos defaulted at 125 and 241 I don't know where under volting is located and I'm just wondering what can I do to lower temperatures and keep performance because with a 4070 I'm most likely bottlenecking for the most part. I get a few frames more if I just let it cut loose but I've tried several different limiters I'm just not sure if it's optimal or not and it bothers me. I've said it till 100/192 100 which is a 20% drop and that holds my temps but I don't know if that's ideal also, I have xmp1 one enabled. Does that make a lot of heat?

[@diinokai]

i somehow had a faulty i5-14600kf Intel thankfully replaced it. (btw I want to undervolt it on ASRock Z790Lighting (revision), do you have any vids with ASRock MBs? no OC for me because I dont have money to get a nice AIO, im on air cooling lol)

[@ImWateringPSUs]

That's the only i5 that I heard about being faulty, very very unlucky! I'll admit I'm missing Asrock motherboard for latest gen Intel, but I should have one on 12th gen to cross reference the settings! I'll try to get one on the channel asap :)

[@diinokai]

@@ImWateringPSUs Fr? oh man I really got that 1 in million unlucky chances... 😭 That would help a lot, thank you!! 🤝🏽🙌🏽

[@Ben-f6u6l]

Whoops. Intel just admitted that they have a bug that frys the CPU while idling.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Situation is not the best, but honestly most channels are portaying it worse than it is!

[@floisindahousee]

pc flipping in austria is really bad atm because of the intel drama. new and used amd cpu prices are skyrocketing. there is no 5800x3D under 350-400€ its insane.. 5600x at about 100€ used, 3600x 70€, 2600x 40€ (but i wouldnt recommend zen2, its trash for todays standards) gpu market is better tho, i snatched a 2070 for 100€, a 5700XT for 110€ and a strix 1080ti for 80€ bc a fan was not working. ordered the fan off aliexpress for 5€ and boom 150€ card.

[@Ladioz]

I bought my 5800X3D in christmas 2023 for 320€ . Im wondering how long i can keep it

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Man it's the same over here! Intel builds are surprisingly selling quite a bit less than AMD builds. 5700X3D brand new for just a little bit over 200 bucks is the way to go in Italy, plenty of those :) I agree that the GPU market is pretty healthy, however next gen is right around the corner so one has to be careful there

[@ImWateringPSUs]

It's gonna last you a good while for gaming :)

[@rcortez5979]

core i9 13th and 14th gens need to be delidded with contact frame and water cooled. the ek 360aio and phanteks t30 aio can cool this thing down if ones dont have the budget for costume watercooled build. theyre very hot but still cool to use for work and pretty much still games. a not delidded i9 with just a 360 aio playing pubg still makes the processor be cooled at 64C. wtf is the most people still having problems with this processor? are you really using the processor for like 100% load everyday?

[@nguyendanh8828]

Avoid all intel CPU gen13 and gen14 with TDP higher than 65W

[@ImWateringPSUs]

That's excessive.

[@panayiotispapakyriakou5258]

Isn't the i9-14900k more prone to failing than the 13900k?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

In my experience that’s not the case, the opposite is what I’m seeing

[@Smoothoperatoritaly]

Leo you are the best. Solved all my pc issues

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Thanks a lot Peppe🙇‍♂️🤗

[@vivekchamoli4185]

can someone please tell me i5 13400f , i5 13500 , i5 13600k is safe ?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Yes they're safe!

[@mr.derpyface558]

I would still update the bios just to be on the safe side.

[@xrush2003]

Hi please help im going to buy i914g kf prosesor and rtx 3060 and will be using msi pro z790 p, 800w gold smps will it still crash I don't have budget for r9 9950x if i9 dies im doom please guide me

[@John.Philip.Tan876]

I don't suggest 13th and 14th gen. 12th gen is good enough for almost any modern game. but if you really want a 14th gen, CPUs with less cores are less likely to break. still possible but just less likely. so i5's... and if the i5's break, Intel will probably have stock to replace that with. They're running out of stock for the i7's and i9's, however i5's should be plentiful.

[@xrush2003]

@@John.Philip.Tan876 i dont need it for gaming i need it to work on it 3d software like Houdini or c4d

[@xrush2003]

Its workstation

[@PatchyTheDoge]

@@xrush2003 You already bought the pc? is a new cpu?

[@xrush2003]

@@PatchyTheDoge going to tomorrow new pc

[@zbuuu]

14600k is safe right?

[@johndough4871]

Mine has been okay but I did have to personally tune my bios and check with software what was actually happening to get it right.

[@John.Philip.Tan876]

the CPUs with fewer cores like the i5's are less likely to break and if it does break then Intel will have more stock of those to replace with The i7s and i9's of 13th and 14th gen are more likely to break and stock for those are tight. Try undervolting or using less power hungry profiles

[@justanobody4983]

Just enforce all limits and forget. Had mine since launch with no problems.

[@7eave1]

Undervolt it asap , then its safe.

[@nguyendanh8828]

NO!, 14600K in the 2 year extended warranty list, that mean it's not safe, even undervolt or rolling at "intel default settings"

[@jameyt1]

Turn off e cores or disable hyper threading and boom less power, albeit at a cost of l2 cache and multi threaded performance if you disable e-cores. Still better than running 300w and degrading your chip (13900k;14900k)

[@williamtopping]

I do that with my shopping. When it arrives, I throw half of it away. BOOM, more shelf speace, and I don't have to worry about it going off.

[@jameyt1]

@@williamtoppingI get your point. I don’t really like the idea of E-cores though, if intel released a P-core only CPU I would only buy that but we have no choice.

[@merkedgg6322]

I have my 14900k with 1.4 ia voltage limit 2 years so far good but can’t do 7200mt stable anymore so I just run at 5400 mt stable as a rock

[@Solrac-Siul]

You cannot have a 14900 for 2 years, since it was released in october 2023, so at very best your 14900 is 11 months old.

[@merkedgg6322]

@@Solrac-Siul in those 11 months the memory controller has degraded and can’t do 7200mt stable anymore

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Some XMPs have way too high voltages out of the box, especially if the secondary stuff is left on Auto. I should probably do a video on how to fix that lol

[@merkedgg6322]

@@ImWateringPSUs yes you should my cpu is direct die cooled with ek 360 aio and memory controller still degraded the kit says it needs 1.35 but I ran xmp 1 not 2 so maybe motherboard pushed to much voltage than it should have

[@Solrac-Siul]

@@merkedgg6322 1.35 was on what ? vccsa? or vddq?

[@d4nith3]

Bro, there is no barber shop in Italy or what?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

AHAHAHHAHA I do need to fix my haircut ngl

[@d4nith3]

@@ImWateringPSUs 😆

[@williamtopping]

Any step which requires the end user to navigate the BIOS in order to mitigate critical damage is a massive failure on Intels part, and is utterly unexcusable, regardless of what fanboys claim. Performance tuning is acceptable, but it being required to stop your chip from damaging itself is not. In no other consumer product would this be acceptable, or even legal. I'd love to hear the fanboys views about buying a fridge freezer and then having to faff around with the coolant and the pump otherwise your fridge will fail. Or buying a brand new car, and then having to pop the bonnet and start tinkering with the camshaft. You wouldn't expect ANYONE to tolerate this. So don't gaslight people into believing it's acceptable for Intel to act like it's reasonable when it's patently not.

[@ItsBigEz]

Bought a 13900k new for $350 plus a z690 unify-x for $190 used, thanks tech tubers for the fear mongering 🫡

[@jameyt1]

Bruh working unify x for 190 is a steal. 7800mhz ez. You going to have to pray to get 8000mhz DDR5 working on that board though. 7800mhz with tight timings is still nice tho, I got memory latency down to 50ns on Aida with a 13900k at those speeds (2x16 adie). Just make sure to limit PL to 253w to avoid degradation if your not going to use exotic cooling/direct die cooling and just a regular AIO. If you can keep the temps down to sub 80 at 300w then it is probably safe. Or just disable ht

[@ImWateringPSUs]

That's a VERY good deal lol. Especially on the motherboard. Definitely get some high speed RAM :) And run your CPU UVed please, you're risking it ahah