Do the Quran manuscripts really matter? Why don't we date the ink? Are these variations significant?

[@islamicclarity7062]

Always a delight to see a new video! Thanks for your work, Dr!

[@jamesalexander7540]

Thank you very much for your time and effort. Have a blessed day and be a blessing to all that you meet.

[@christines5430]

Thank you for all the hard work that you are putting into this. This was a good Q&A.

[@outlierjahd7910]

Despite the proof, muslim still insist "quran is preserved", denial of reality adnauseam. Thanks for your work Dr. Brubaker, really challenging

[@palma8415]

Even if some small things are changed, it doesn't affect the main messages.

[@broccoli747]

@@palma8415 indeed. The message of peace and love to all those who do not believe. There was much peace and love shown to some people in France and Austria, who were not even remotely associated with any cartoons, quite recently.

[@palma8415]

@@broccoli747 that's now a different subject. We're talking about the preservation of Muhammad's original message. But, yeah..Abrahamic religions are like that, not only islam. Threatening those who do not accept God. And then believers start hating, mostly misunderstanding verses, and terrorising.

[@palma8415]

@@broccoli747 Actually, Abrahamic God threatens to everyone. Nobody is safe from hell.

[@thangbunaing6885]

@@palma8415 Sure! You will face it for real after you die!

[@islamicclarity7062]

Question: are you familiar with Dr. Shady Nasser's work and how would you say it interfaces with your own work?

[@variantquran4505]

Yes, I am reading his latest book now (excellent, by the way), he is a friend and colleague, and we have agreed that he will come onto the channel to discuss these things, including his new book, very soon. Thanks for mentioning it. As to how it interfaces with my work, I would say his questions and findings are very relevant to mine, and vice-versa. We have met at conferences over the years, and Andrew Rippin was the first one to make me aware of Nasser's work years ago. However, we have not coordinated or even yet spent much time together discussing this stuff directly. DB

[@islamicclarity7062]

@@variantquran4505 That's great to hear! His book is amazing. I'm also reading it. Raises so many interesting questions and points. Can't WAIT for that interview!

[@islamicclarity7062]

@@variantquran4505 It's really interesting. A recent Muslim scholar in the UK posted that most Muslims need to unlearn these myths. Seems that even conservative Muslim scholars (like YQ) are conceding these points are are working on a 'new narrative' to keep their doctrine and answer the holes. that “Quran = Qira’at”, that every letter and dot of the Qira’at is from the Divine, that the Rasm never influenced recitation of the Qurra, that nobody ever criticized the Qira’at of the 7/10, that the Rasm is divine, that Ibn Abi Dawud’s al-Masahif is full of weak and unacceptable narrations and therefore can be dismissed in its most part, that somehow later scholars got right what early scholars got wrong, that Ibn Masud never had a spat with Uthman over Zayd, the Masahif and the Quranic chapters, that the Quran we recite in Salah is based on Qira’at that are Mutawatir and no less will do…

[@leonmcnair4615]

@@variantquran4505 Hello again Dr. Brubaker. Would that be the second canonisation?

[@_John_P]

@@islamicclarity7062 Would you say then that Shia Muslims are right about the Quran?

[@thehigherevolutionary]

I'm glad *I* subbed, KZbin only recommended you to me 3 months ago.

[@ranferchristian8050]

Thank you. Informative. God bless!!!

[@heyderaliyev8976]

Yes Sir. your work (just like Dr. David Wood) closely being monitored/watched here in Russia by very serious agencies. islam is seriously being studied here recently, it's prospects and future dangers. (Smart folks learn on others mistakes)

[@heyderaliyev8976]

@Jajabing Yoda Thanks

[@yidiandianpang]

@Jajabing Yoda link please

[@heyderaliyev8976]

@Jajabing Yoda thanks a lot, downloaded them all

[@rabukkayeshua2479]

Horaiii... 13 centuries preserved lies disclosed... Thank you Dan Brubaker ☝👍🎖🤗

[@Κριστίνα-ψ4μ]

Thank you and God bless you.

[@aamm4474]

كرستينا.

[@poopsterlolman2012]

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[@markusgorelli5278]

About the person who claimed oral preservation 7:15 I had been trying to find out information some time ago about Hafs from whom we have the Hafs version of the Quran. This is one of the things posted up about him. Abu Hatim ibn Hibban said: “He used to mix the chains of transmission and used to declare Marfu’ some Mursal narrations and he used to *take from the books of people and write them and narrate them without listening (to them).'* Unfortunately, getting authoritative sources on this topic (in English) is problematic. However, if we take this at face value, then what is this telling us? Well clearly, Hafs did not in fact rely solely on oral transmission. It is questionable if he did so at all. Instead, like a good textual critic, he began to source "books from people" and copy them out. What might he be collecting? Quranic manuscripts? Transcripts of sermons? Diaries? Maybe one day we will discover Haf's long lost basement archive and all will be revealed. In the meantime, the Quran says: Q.33:34 And remember what *is recited (yut'lā)* in your houses of the verses of Allah and wisdom. Indeed, Allah is ever Subtle and Acquainted [with all things]. Q.2:113 The Jews say, 'The Christians stand not on anything'; the Christians say, 'The Jews stand not on anything'; yet *they recite (yatlūna)* the Book. So too the ignorant say the like of them. God shall decide between them on the Day of Resurrection touching their differences. Meaning, that just because the Quran uses the word recite, this does not deny that there is a written text from which one is supposed to be reciting from. Q.80.12 So let him who pleases mind it. Q.80.13 In honored books, Q.80.14 Exalted, purified, Or perhaps all these verses are talking about the Bible. Is that it? Q.56.77 Most surely it is an honored *Quran,* Q.56.78 In a *book* that is protected Q.56.79 None shall touch it save the purified ones. Oops... are you a purified one Dr. Brubaker? 🤣 Maybe that is why old Quranic manuscripts are so hard to come by. Only purified people could handle it. And since most people don't fall into that category, there would be too much bureaucracy involved in getting one. Bhagavad-Gita 9:2 This is *kingly science, kingly secret,* the supreme sanctifier, immediately realisable, unopposed to Dharma (conformed to righteousness), very easy to carry out, and abiding forever.

[@amreel-kabarity9242]

Thank you for your effort and great work شكراً لك على مجهودك التنويري الرائع

[@broccoli747]

We are waiting for the person who posted the question at 10:02 to expound his hypothesis. And we expected it to be supported by rigorous academic research. I'm aways suspicious when people post a claim saying that refutation of this channel's content is easy without showing evidence. Especially when they add multiple emoticons like a 7 year-old kid.

[@BrutusAlbion]

it probably is just a kid that got taught to repeat a mantra in school, at home and in the mosque. Mind you, even if this person is 35 years old, it's quite possible they still have the mental maturity of an 8 year old when it comes to critical thought and analysis. You'd be surprised how many people are actually quite stunted in their thought processes when it pertains to knowledge that they were fed as a child or indoctrinated with throughout their lives. The mind has a weird capability to block out any alternative information and resorts to short-cuts in logic to prevent the person from realizing the truth since this would actually hurt the ego as the ego would have based many decisions in life on this indoctrination. To have it disqualified is to disqualify their personal decisions regarding life and that is a hard pill to swallow to realize you have made mistakes. Therefore not many are actually capable of escaping the mental imprisonment that such radical cult like religions provide.

[@pa21thebeast]

He definitely doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Dr Brubaker is just humoring him because he’s a nice guy. Nobody knows what the Ahruf and Qiraat actually are categorically or what their intentions were, as said by modern and historical Islamic scholars theirselves. What Dr. Brubaker is finding is doing more damage to the Ahrufs and Qiraat more so than being an explanation.

[@YouGetBlocked]

You are doing great work! Love that you keep calm, even when you get some hateful comments!

[@poopsterlolman2012]

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[@tzadik36]

Some have stated that according to the hadis hazrat Ayesha had said that one ayat of the quran was lying on the bed in her tent on a material that was eaten by a sheep and thereby lost. This is a well publicized narration.

[@ferengiprophet2185]

Exactly. If the early Quran was passed on by memorization and recitation then it wouldn't have mattered if that sheep had eaten the material on which that verse was written. That verse wouldn't have been lost because people could have just written it again from their memories. As Yasir Qadhi said, there are holes in the standard narrative.

[@BrutusAlbion]

@@ferengiprophet2185 It was obviously a story the jews made up to disprove islam because they know in their hearts that islam is true but they refuse to obey him ... Obviously mate ;)

[@ferengiprophet2185]

@@BrutusAlbion Verily, bruzzer

[@BrutusAlbion]

@@ferengiprophet2185 ''When the messenger comes to appropriate your profits, kill the messenger.'' - rules of acquisition, 257

[@abuzakirnaik142]

your research will only be relevant if we assumed the Qur'an is transmitted or preserved on Parchment and leaf not orally by memory, and that will be impossible looking at the tradition of memorizing the Qur'an the scarcity of writing during the earliest era of Islam.

[@debbiedavid388]

Sir 🙏🏽For you Brother ❤️🙏🏽

[@jesusislord9999]

Dr Brubaker=Dr Quranbreaker

[@sakakibaryo]

1. About the theological implications, most of the corrections and variants you've shown doesn't really change the meaning nor the context of the verses. Even if it does, some of good tafseer books will note on those verses as "unclear" or some sort, and these tafseers also varies with each other. 2. Ahrufs are variations that was destroyed during Rashidun Uthman's reign in order to "Canonize" the Al-Qur'an. Traditionally, these are lost, though I and some others won't deny any possibility that some of those survived in small amount in which you're currently studying. Since during first few centuries, Al-Qur'an was primarily recited then written, there's a possibility of those surviving Ahrufs might "accidentally" put on writing. I think your research will contributes greatly to the study of the history of the Al-Qur'an and I don't really think it will disturb any of Islamic theological doctrine. Well, apart of the hardline fundamentalists that is. As I am a muslim myself I do believe that humans does fallible to errors, mistakes, and corruption. There are a lot of fiqh (philosophical) interpretation on how Al-Qur'an is "preserved".

[@abunajam6787]

Rio Akbar The Qur’an is perfectly preserved. Variant reading that does not alter the significance of the verse is part of the seven modes of the Qur’an nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862 Modern scholars prove the Qur’an is the same as original (157) 30 Qur'ans? What do the experts say. - KZbin (157) Has the Qur'an been reliably preserved? - KZbin (If links do not connect please copy and paste. Thank you).

[@gerhardpet1]

I enjoy your work. Keep it up

[@Diamondraw4Real]

Hi, just checking in. I got ur notification last night, for ur new video about the book ☕

[@mohdlubiskhan7713]

Who are the writers. ? How many types of handwriting? Type of ink? Type of writing apparatus? What dialects in the manuscript ?

[@reecesimmons3925]

Will you make a library tour video?

[@travisb4787]

Are there MS that date older or at the time of the MS that you have looked at that line up exactly with the currently used Hafs?? that have not been tampered with that is. thanks

[@anntakamaki1960]

Did different manuscripts have different ways of dividing verses? As in the same amount of text is divided into 25 verses insread of 20.

[@MuhammadAbdillah111]

Al-Quran 6 - 115 And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

[@yerushalmitalk8311]

Dear Dr Brubaker. I heard there are 7 authorised versions. Do each of the versions have different Rosum from one another? Thanks

[@samspade225]

I think that the first and most important theological implication of the corrections, scribal or not, is that the claim of the perfect preservation "words for word and letter for letter" no longer can be upheld. I think a solution to this for religious people is that the recitation puts you in contact with the wholy book in heaven. In the same way chatolics claim that the bread and wine transformes to the blood and body of Jesus Christ during the Eucharist. That's a theological statement which are not the domain of science of history.

[@KenadoCC]

Good replies. The variations differ too much at many texts to be considered as just intended.

[@surul-aynawali641]

Salam sir, How do you know these materials you are presenting are not among those that were thrown away and burned during the time of Khalif Umar for containing those errors?

[@variantquran4505]

Hello Surul-Ayn, it is a good question. I think you mean Uthman, but correct me if you did mean Umar. The answer ... or one part of the answer, at least ... is that all of the fragments I am presenting (the only possible exceptions would be some of the earliest Hijazi pages) were almost certainly produced after the time of Uthman. Thanks for asking. Best, DB

[@surul-aynawali641]

@@variantquran4505 yes i actually meant uthman

[@surul-aynawali641]

@@variantquran4505with all due respect im afraid such an answer would only qualify to be playing safe,sir because after Uthman, there was still Ali the Last khalif and there was a long period of war between the Ummayads and the Abbasids till the Script was finaly developed in Kufa known today as the Kufic arabic script. It is at this point were all the letters were adjusted towards the Left. The example is the letter Lam. Also if you look at the script in your materials, you will find it very similar to the script of the letter of Prophet Muhammad pbuh to Rome preserved in Jordan museum. Also Dan Gibson presented examples of the differences of the two script. And that places a very big Question mark to what you just said unless of course you have another explanation?

[@salafichristiansubordinati6496]

باركك الرب وسدد خطاك وجعل قناتك منبرا لفتح عقول المسلمين باسم السيد المسيح الناصري☝️❤❤❤.

[@richardokeefe7410]

Surah 80:11-16 says plainly that "this Reminder ... is contained in honoured pages", which if true means that much of the Quran must have been written down (but not collected) in Mohammed's lifetime, and indeed, we know he had scribes writing down his verses in his presence. So you cannot both affirm that the Quran is the preserved word of Allah AND say that it was ONLY preserved in memory for 23 years. And when Zayd Ibn Thabit collated the Quran for Abu Bakr, he found it *written* on leather, on palm leaves, and on bones. Not all of it, but most of it. So you cannot both accept the great hadith collections AND say that the Quran was ONLY preserved in memory for 23 years. Considering the loss of remembered verses from the deaths of their memorisers, which provoked Abu Bakr to order the collection and collation of the Quran, there might not *be* a Quran today if much of it had not been written during Mohammed's lifetime,.

[@abdourjawara022]

if a six year old can memorize the Quran now, what do you think about that time. You discount the oral traditions and focus on the written text the mistakes therein, correcting themselves or the next person more important.

[@abunajam6787]

Abdou R Jawara The Qur’an is perfectly preserved. Variant reading that does not alter the significance of the verse is part of the seven modes of the Qur’an nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862 Modern scholars prove the Qur’an is the same as original (157) 30 Qur'ans? What do the experts say. - KZbin ; (157) Has the Qur'an been reliably preserved? - KZbin (If links do not connect please copy and paste, or type in the title. Thank you).

[@Niles-Guy]

Funny how KZbin advertisements are about Muslim donations that targeted your channel 😉 . Question....did you see the debate between Dr David Wood v Jay Smith as to did Muhammad exist ? What are your views on if Muhammad truly existed ? Thank you

[@inquisitivemind007]

Muhammad definitely existed and the proof is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIbTeoCdaLeSoNU

[@QuranicIslam]

Hi ... I've only just discovered your channel, but this is an area of great interest to me. But as I'm sure you can appreciate there is so little time for one to pursue thoroughly the abdundance of content out there right now. Could you point me towards a few of your more comprehesive videos to get started on? ... Thanks!

[@qurancentric7459]

Nice seeing you here sir 😂

[@QuranicIslam]

@@qurancentric7459 😆 ... Yeah ... You too!

[@stargategoku]

dr yasir qahdi said "the standard narration has holes in it" :) and Hatun Tash (youtube channel: dcci ministries and Dr Jay Smith (youtube: pfander film) showed them 37 different version of quran. also dr yasir qadhi said that "yajuj and majuj in the quran was a tale". dr yasir qadhi is the best to refute quran because he had master's degree in madinah university and phd in yale university of islamic science and average muslims can't refute him like farid that why farid leaked email group regarding this topic ahruf and qiraat and variants of quran. no more muslims in speaker's corner saying quran was preserved usually the dawah team because Hatun Tash was chasing them like mohammed hijab and ali dawah and mohammed hijab and ali dawah were running away from Hatun Tash questions while holding the quran which she drilled a hole on it. :)

[@sethsuleiman4419]

Dr Yasir Qadhi refuted himself many times; making a claim one day and refuted his own claim the next day. What scholars, the like of Yasir, said, one has to double check with other well known trustworthy muslim scholars.

[@abuzakirnaik142]

Hi Sir, why do you think the Manuscript matter when The primary preservation channel is memory, and the manuscript are secondary? Because if you read the hadith on the preservation you will see the memory is used as the basic of writing the manuscript. different part were brought if they tally with what is memorize and agreed it is taken, you should know that those manuscript you have are not the sources of learning the Qur'an, it is learn during the first 2 generation from memory to memory.

[@variantquran4505]

Dear Abdulfatah, it is asserted by some people that the primary mode of transmission was oral memory, however we have no way of knowing or testing this assertion unless we look at the physical evidence. The manuscripts may be able to help us either confirm or modify this hypothesis that the primary mode of transmission was oral. The other, more subtle, question is, of course, whether the oral transmission was complete and uniform. These questions are settled in the minds of many regular people, but academics and historians like to question assumptions and to see where these questions lead. Thanks for asking, and best wishes to you. DB

[@abuzakirnaik142]

@@variantquran4505 thanks for your reply and the clarification. If I really understand your work, you are questioning the preservation of the Qur'an by Memory through the examination of some early Manuscript, and if am not mistaken the manuscript you used date back 800Ad, which is about 150 years after the first Manuscript was written from Memory confirmed with what was written during the life of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ. I think the only way you can come with a academically sound conclusion is if you get the earliest Manuscript and compare it with the corrections on later Manuscript. Lastly I your approach is Good because you don't seem to be certain on everything, this is the best way to learn. Your conclusion cannot be perfect because there are other ways around it.

[@haqq4260]

Abdulfatah: The Primary preservation was memory but the 12 Imams were the walking/talking Qurans and they were present up until 255 AH. The 12 Imams are lineal descendants of Muhammad. Unfortunately not many people know who they are. Learn the truth www.why-sunnis-convert-to-shia.com

[@simonhengle8316]

Another great video However, I rather think Mel (pseudo name) has hit the nail on the head regarding who the real Mahammad was, and he was Ilyas Ibn Qabisah, who had the title Mohammed What is the correct term for incomplete manuscripts/Qurans please?

[@ericobuenodemoraesbuenodem7197]

Poderia traduzir seu livro para o português.

[@ArthurCor-ts2bg]

Dr Daniel, Please throw light on introduction of vowelisation into purely consonantal quranic text.... It had to involve human discretion......

[@spitfiremase]

What is the purpose of explaining away manuscript variants as 'qirat' or 'ahruf'? whats the value in that? why not just embrace the variants and find the original amongst them

[@inquisitivemind007]

7 ahruf is when Muhammad was caught out making stuff up by tell 2 different people different verses. When confronted to get out of the embarrassment of being caught he came up with variant readings (7 ahruf)

[@inquisitivemind007]

@Denias Prawirya here is the hadith where he was caught out sunnah.com/bukhari/88/18 it was about Surah Furqan and he was confronted. It wasn't about dialects as they were both from the same tribe; it was about different/added/omitted words. Put on the spot he decided to get out of being caught by saying Allah revealed in 7 different ways.

[@skellingtonmeteoryballoon]

They seem important.. after my friend recited some surahs we definitely experienced some JINN action. I definitely confirm some witchcraft involved with surahs.

[@poopsterlolman2012]

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[@abdourjawara022]

So still you are talking about writing mistakes, you do realize that the Quran was and still in our memory. They can always come back during those days or now come up with the Quran.

[@bornbethlehem1259]

Now, as it is said, differently Versions of the Quran exist, isn't it time to have them documented! So when spoken about a certain Quran it will have a number or other certification. ? A branding ☺️

[@sethsuleiman4419]

(1). God said that the Quran is His word and He put up a falsifying test. The Quran pass the test 100%; other scriptures which is not God's word would definitely failed. (2). God said he will preserve the Quran. The muslim will never doubt what God said. There will not be any Quran version. Different print of the Quran may have different font, different ink type, different paper and different cover design but the text is all the same worldwide; whether one is in America, Europe, Middle East, Asia or China.

[@pluspunkt5512]

the moment when alleged experts expose themselves to be Muslims who simply cannot cope with the reality of the Koran ...... A real expert like you can only smile about something like that, and you are far too much of a gentleman for that too. 👌

[@AmazingGod.2230]

Am first

[@fatihtuzun348]

Hello Dr. Brubaker, I just wanted to say that I love your content and it is extremely important to people who born in Muslim countries and do not really study on religion. I see that you now have translations to you video titles and you videos but I am sorry to inform you that the Turkish translation is just terrible. I think whoever translated it used Google translate and it is full of errors and it is not suitable to watch an academic content like yours. I humbly advise you to use someone who actually speaks Turkish for those translation id you want to reach Turkish viewers. Thanks again for this video and stay safe and healthy!

[@deskcorner]

Some of the comment from previous video are little bit ignorance . I think some of them are very hurt . A light and consciousness hurt those muslims.

[@amontis240]

wow a lot of subtitle . thats nice.

[@muslimwoolfy-winterequestr4344]

There is actually some good evidence supporting the claim that the Sanna manuscripts were for learning I can provide some

[@poopsterlolman2012]

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[@muslimwoolfy-winterequestr4344]

@@poopsterlolman2012 Thanks for sharing I’ve subscribed to this channel already

[@kennethwhite8045]

With all due respect, this Dr. Daniel needs to consult someone like Dr. Yasir Qadhi to broaden his view of the Quranic manuscripts and the preservation of the Quran.

[@etsubtamirat4623]

... is this a joke?

[@fantasia55]

YQ is a buffoon.

[@varexai]

Are the so called 'Satanic Verses' also part of the Sanaa manuscript that you are looking at?

[@almazchati4178]

Looks like he acknowledging he failed with the variants.

[@secondone5870]

Pak DB menggunakan bahasa akademik yang terlalu berhati-hati. Itu mungkin bagus untuk akademisi tetapi tidak bagi orang awam. Saran saya adalah coba ikuti gaya bahasa Jay Smith, berani, terus terang dan apa adanya. Muslim butuh bahasa yang lugas dan sederhana. GBU 🙏

[@saidkahar5414]

Writing do occur. Just like when we write.

[@Tai91827]

Ask any Muslim this simple question. Which quran is written on the loh e mahfuuz (eternal tablets in heaven).

[@poopsterlolman2012]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKeveIaVms2saJo

[@sethsuleiman4419]

(1). In this video at 8:15, Dr Brubaker said the traditional account of the preservation of the Quran is not written down. (2). I beg to disagree totally as the traditional account IS written down by well known trustworthy early muslim scholars; tracing back right from the Prophet Muhammad AlAmin pbuh to the well known trustworthy companions; then, to the well known trustworthy followers and sub-followers of the companions.

[@pga8324]

37 defferint arabic Qur'ans kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6PNfISfapJ6i7s

[@poopsterlolman2012]

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[@godsservant6869]

Are you a christian, Dr?

[@saidkahar5414]

You deal more on physical quran. That what you get. The eternal is god's words.

[@marjupsd3728]

THE NEW TESTAMENT DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE CALLED THE HOLY BOOK OF CHRISTIANS. BECAUSE THERE IS NO STORY ABOUT CHRISTIANITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. THERE ARE SIX CHRISTIAN WORDS IN THE BOOK, BUT THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS. IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO CALL IT THE BOOK OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.

[@simonsay1944]

hallo abu baker kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaHGlqGmo7KJjKc kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaHGlqGmo7KJjKc

[@thicky]

muslims are so funny. they coming after this dude who has a phd in isamlic studies like what they saying to him hasnt already been addressed/..lol

[@letmetalk2240]

>>> this dude who has a phd in isamlic studies ----------- Where is your proof?

[@thicky]

@@letmetalk2240 dude this man is easy to google. and you can check his credentials with the university he has been studying at and he has also taught at institutions. are you like 12 man?lol

[@letmetalk2240]

@@thicky lol .. read carefully .. "Dr. Brubaker's academic area centers upon Quran manuscripts and the early history of the Quran text. " Someone who is knowledgeable in Arabic language and Quranic studies could not afford to make minor mistake in Arabic grammar. This has been pointed out by my Muslim brother and he admitted it. 😊

[@thicky]

@@letmetalk2240 so whats your point. so he is clearly an expert in that area. is your point he dont have a phd? cause ven if you wanted to say that it wont take away his credibility in speaking on the said topic. its not like he studied chinese royal manuscripts and talking about islam. he is in a area that he deals with and very qualified to address. he not like zakir nais who be making up stuff on the fly.

[@letmetalk2240]

@@thicky My point is if he is going to talk about Arabic grammar mistakes, 1st he has to have the knowledge. Not sure whether he is trained in that field.. Why I said this .. it is because my Muslim bro has pinpoint his mistake in basic Arabic which should not happen in the 1st place if he is truly an expert in Arabic language.

[@kadaramed6150]

How about you examine your own Bible , the book you base your salvation on. Quran has a challenge in it for people like you but indeed you failed to meet its challenge, people with more knowledge failed.

[@kadaramed6150]

@Indigator Veritatis it is a fact you will never be able to meet the Quran challenge!!

[@kadaramed6150]

@Indigator Veritatis Qul huwa Allahu ahad 1. Say, “He is Allah, [who is] One, Allahu assamad 2. Allah, the Eternal Refuge. Lam yalid wa lam yoolad 3. He neither begets nor is born, Wa lam yakul-lahu kufuwan ahad 4. Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”

[@kadaramed6150]

@Indigator Veritatis Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord .

[@kadaramed6150]

@Indigator Veritatis you know very well where I got it from.

[@kadaramed6150]

@Indigator Veritatis is your source for this Fox News?

[@nassermj7671]

Why do you have so many 'versions' and why isn't yours the fastest growing faith in the world?

[@AceRamona]

It’s not about quantity but quality😌 Lots of people smoke crack, does that mean crack is good for you

[@nassermj7671]

@@AceRamona JUST WATCH & LEARN

[@mohdlubiskhan7713]

Dr brubake are trying to tarnish the integrity of early Muslim caliphate. ? The belief in Judgement Day n hell . Do you think they hv the guts to corrupt the divine words of Allah SWT. ????

[@abunajam6787]

Variant reading that does not alter the significance of the verse is part of the seven modes of the Qur’an @t Modern scholars prove the Qur’an is the same as original (151) 30 Qur'ans? What do the experts say. - KZbin; (151) Has the Qur'an been reliably preserved? - KZbin Whereas the Qur’an was memorized and written down upon its revelation and handed down through recitation and text @t Here is the history of the Bible: “The Bible is made up of 66 books.…completed over a period of approximately 1,600 years.…written by about 40 human secretaries or scribes, some of whom were also farmers, fishermen, judges, kings, and musicians.” “The term “Bible” was not used to designate the Holy Scriptures until the time of the early Church Fathers about A.D. 400.” “During the 1,200 or more years when its materials were being written, the Bible did not circulate as a single book.” “Centuries of hand copying subjected the text of the Old Testament to all the problems attendant upon the preservation of a correct text by such means. By the time of the Council of Jamnia there were so many variations among the manuscripts that to determine certainly the exact words of Scripture became a major problem.” “For the New Testament, more than 4,000 Greek manuscripts (not Hebrew or Aramaic which Jesus is said to have spoken), preserving all or part of the text, are known, the earliest sizeable texts dating from about A.D. 200 (200 years after Christ). There are some 8,000 manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate and at least 1,000 other versions into which the original books were translated. Since the original autograph of no book in the New Testament is known, it becomes the task of the textual expert to deal with the thousands of variant readings to be found in this multitude of ancient manuscripts. These manuscripts are compared and studied in order to establish a critical text that gives reasonable assurance of being as near the original as can be determined.” “1500-500? B.C.-The Old Testament is put into writing.” “A.D. 52?-100?-The New Testament is written, coming to us in the koiné Greek, the common language of the time, although some portion may have been first set down in Aramaic, the language spoken by Christ” “350-400-First stabilization of New Testament canon of 27 books” “1611-The great King James (or Authorised) VERSION. Completed by the group of “learned men,” all renowned scholars, appointed by King James.” “The abundance of literature concerning Jesus led the Church to make certain excisions while the latter was in the process of becoming organized. Perhaps a hundred Gospels were suppressed. Only four were retained and put on the official list of neo-Testament writings making up what is called ‘Canon’.” “The majority of Christians believe that the Gospels were written by direct witnesses of the life of Jesus and therefore constitute un-questionable evidence concerning the events high-lighting His life and preachings.” “Unfortunately, the authors of the Gospels WERE NOT EYE-WITNESSES OF THE DATA THEY RECORDED.” @t This is what you are laboring to enthrone over the Qur’an/Islam? Dignity dude. CHRISTIANITY DUPES PEOPLE @t

[@Pedo_phile_Muhammad]

What was the purpose of creating 7 versions of koran?

[@jamalkhan3708]

Muslims don’t study their religion. They believe in man made oral stories. They know the lies of Mohammed and allah but they just don’t know where to go after leaving Islam. So we have to pray for them so they can open their hearts and mind and accept Jesus Christ their Lord and savior.

[@sethsuleiman4419]

Muslim do not study their religion. (1). They accept the Quran blindly because it is the word of God. Would God lie; definitely, NO. Would Muhammad pbuh lie; definitely, NO because God say that whatever Muhammad pbuh say is not of his desire but revealed by God. (2). The muslim accept Jesus as a prophet and messiah, and believe him when he said in John 17:3 that the Father is the only true God.

[@gedat5538]

@@sethsuleiman4419 Have you read Jn. 10:30 (Father and I are one.)? Or Jn. 14:9b-10 (Whoever has seen me has seen the Father)? The Father (Jn. 17:1b) to whom he addresses his prayer is God in Jn.17:3. It is one prayer addressed to the same person and two prayers addressed to two different persons! You make Jesus a liar, Sir. The Jesus you believe in, is a Mohammedan fiction, not the Jesus of the Bible.

[@sethsuleiman4419]

​@@gedat5538 .(1). John 17:3, Jesus said, the father is the only (repeat, ONLY, ie. no other, only one) true God. (2). Christians say, One God, 3 persons (father is a person, Jesus is a person, h' spirit is a person). (3). John 10:30, Father and I is one. So, one what. One true God? No. One God? No (without the h' spirit). One person? No. (4). Jesus is not a liar. A prophet does not lie. Somebody else is lying. It could be the unknown bible authors (they are human).

[@gedat5538]

@@sethsuleiman4419 1) Your are trying to interpret the Bible as your Quran, which is quite disjointed and contradictory on many points. Bible is coherent all through if you study it in depth. For the Bible the context and non-contradiction of every part with the rest of the book is essential. 2) John 17:3 is a part of John 17:1-5 as a prayer of Jesus. He prays to the Father in His (Jesus') HUMAN NATURE and calls Him 'the only true God' because there is only ONE TRUE GODHEAD to which Jesus Himself is united. That is shown by His affirmation that knowing Him (i.e. Jesus) is necessary for eternal life just as knowing the Father. In fact, that statement in the same sentence is a declaration that He (Jesus) is equal to the FATHER. In John 10:30 and in John 14:9b-10 Jesus identifies Himself as ONE with the FATHER. That would be a blasphemy if it was not true! Jesus was not blaspheming (as Jews and Muslims would say)! 3) You ask 'one' what? The answer is: ONE in DIVINE NATURE i.e. Jesus and the Holy Spirit share ONE DIVINE NATURE with the FATHER yet have distinct personal relationship among themselves and with creation, especially with human beings and angels. 4) Jesus is not a liar definitely. Mohammad and his followers make Him a liar when you deny Him as Son of God. (See 1John 2:22). Jesus was crucified to death because He declared His ONENESS WITH THE FATHER and stuck to it! He died because He declared the TRUTH about Himself! The liars are those who deny His death and resurrection without any proof to the contrary. Eye witnesses confirm it but someone in the 7th Century found it convenient to deny it as a lie! Liars are those who say that the Bible has been corrupted without showing where the originals are! The actual corruption is in the Quran itself as it is being shown incontrovertibly these days!

[@sethsuleiman4419]

@@gedat5538 (1). In John 17:3, jesus said the father is the only true God; not true Godhead. The concept of godhead (and even, trinity) is not on the bible. (2). Everywhere in the bible, jesus pray to the father; ie. always subordinate and submit to His will. As such, jesus is not co-equal to the father. (3). Jesus said, just as I and the father are one, let the disciples be one with us. Are they all sharing one divine nature? (4). Quran and the muslims never ever say jesus blasphemous nor jesus is a liar. Never,ever. (5). Yes, Jesus is called son of God. There are many sons of God in the bible; they are good people. (6). Who are the eye witnesses who themselves confirm jesus death resurrection? None, is it. (7) God say, jesus is not killed nor crucified. Muhammad say the same thing as he speaks not of himself but revealed to him from God.

[@Leopold284]

Lmao, you wish

[@saidkahar5414]

Traditions of quran is memorise. During muhammad many companion memorise the quran. Unlike the bible.

[@Pedo_phile_Muhammad]

so what was the point of writing koran down, if Muslims have perfect memories.

[@AceRamona]

@@Pedo_phile_Muhammad 🤣🤣🤣🤣good one bro Love the username btw👍😂😭❤️