DO THIS with your Noise Gate!

Quick tip on 4 cable method with a noise gate
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[@carlozcoronado2228]

I need visuals

[@angrym0nkeysh0w]

Same. English isn't my first language and some of those technical concepts go over my head

[@blessingsara11]

X3

[@nwowolf4591]

A diagram would’ve REALLY helped lol😅

[@antman2826]

I got it. He explained it wee but just quickly. Go over it a few times.

[@MrShadowofthewind]

Diagrams all over google

[@blessingsara11]

I dont get why nobody at KZbin does this with various pedal kinds & showing which cables go WHERE in & thru the noise gate, and first & last pedal, etc....

[@guitardave]

I’ve got a TC Sentry and have always just had it in the fx loop of amp. Hooked it up this morning as you explained, and it’s so much better! Thanks for the very helpful and simple explanation.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Great to hear!

[@joshhamester]

My man!! Thank you!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Any time!

[@kurtniederstadt97]

Awesome!! Very needed info!! Thank you!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@francescovianello262]

This was so helpful! Thanks for posting

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

Very cool. I had no idea you could do this, but it makes sense. Thanks. ♥️

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@acdover]

I use my gate after any drive pedal. It's the last in line before the front of the amp. I tried before drive pedals years ago but found using it after worked better. Amp is a mesa triple rectifier.

[@blessingsara11]

Will try

[@FlankinspanK]

I use this method and its my favorite piece of gear.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Right on!

[@kodykindhart5644]

Uncle mason pulling thru 🤘🤘🤘

[@michael_caz_nyc]

He always does. Clearly-explained, concise and straight to the point.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@rodas_guinea]

Thx Mason, you are really the rig doctor, my noise problem seems to be solved. 👍

[@SDisonYT]

When Empress came out with the Buffer +, I was so excited because it is a buffer, boost, and noise gate in one pedal. Awesome! Only problem is the noise gate feature does not have a variable dial, just off, low, or high. So I guess I still need a separate noise gate pedal.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Wonder if it's for the guitar or on the output. I would assume the output but that might hurt your delay and reverb decay.

[@SDisonYT]

@@VertexEffectsInc I believe it is the output, but I only use the Empress buffer between the guitar and amp as the buffer loop. My delay and reverb are after the amp, which is also after the Empress, so the noise gate in the buffer doesn’t touch those effects.

[@phunkyjunkee]

I use the MXR Noise Clamp for this…

[@JRP3music]

I use a 2nd gate. One basic one after the compressor/overdrive. Just before the amp input. The 2nd gate is at the amp before the input and at the fx loop. My Two Notes Torpedo Captor 8 sends direct signal of the preamp and poweramp sent to the stereo fx section. Then my stereo return goes to 2 Two Notes Torpedo Cab M plus IR DI boxes. Main outputs go to PA. The other non speaker sim signal drives stereo poweramp and cabs

[@QuikdethDeviantart]

This is confusing. You said the distortion pedals are fed from the send of the gate/loop, then to the FRONT of the amp. Then put the send on the amp fx loop back to return on gate/loop… then what… your reverbs/delays and final output go into the return of the FX loop on the amp? Is that correct or am I missing something?

[@ibrajimenez2098]

Out of noise gate to distortion into front of amp

[@tomanderson798]

It took six tries, pen and paper, but I drew the diagram. Thank you.

[@tomanderson798]

So I went home and ran all the wires and presto. Awesome thank you!!

[@wandajames143]

Does overdrive, distortion include fuzzes?

[@harrymo72]

How would you handle implementing it into a loop switcher in order to by pass it completely for cleans and quiet dynamic playing?

[@cryptogumbyckb1183]

but what if you want to use the effects loop on the back of the amp and a second amp for that stereo sound

[@blessingsara11]

Input to guitar, Od/Dist pedals to the front of the amp, return of NG to the send of amp, then output of NG to the rest of pedals.. But what about the output of the last pedal? That's never mentioned. Im confused.

[@user-fy6cj8mn2r]

Companies of plugins and modellers STILL don’t get this. One noise gate - two places at a time. It’s essential

[@mb3799]

Forgive me for being naive on the topic, but the output of the wet effects chain goes back to the return of the amp's effects loop...right?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes!

[@bon2yan88]

what about a double noise gate?

[@michaelanthony9068]

I used to have a noise gate, and still have one built in my Pod Pro, but aren’t they kind of like a band-aid, where you’re not curing the real wound? I need to Patreon you so you will advise me on my system. I have a mono path going into my Pod Pro, then a stereo FX send/return handling my stereo reverb and delay. But the cabling is a horror show!!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

We can help!

[@RobertLongM]

Do you ever use Gate & Suppression ?

[@timothyvaher2421]

Thanks, A smart explanation of the minds eye 👁️ overview of a noise gate map. A form factor cleaning up 🧹 the signals 🚥 final output 👁️‍🗨️ 🔊🎸

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Hope it helps!

[@stevenjorycuaca84]

How if have the stereo delay and reverb? Do i need split patch cable from noise gate to the delay and reverb to keep the stereo signal ?

[@taxationistheft2.0]

What do i do if My looper is in the effect return? Will it be affected

[@Jacethesnake]

Can you use if effectively with fuzz with out losing tone? I my fuzz first in the chain and don’t what it to be effected by a buffer.

[@lennylewismusic]

What if you’re using something like the helix to a tube amp while also using a physical noise gate like the isp hum extractor + Decimator g?

[@antman2826]

I wouldn’t have thought of using the amps effects loop in the noise gate but it makes sense.

[@jerrymartin5788]

thanks man, although i recently watched your video on signal path, and the graphic shown with the decimator II g-string is incorrect, check out the video uploaded by ISP. Big hug from Lima-Peru, truly appreciate your channel!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I re-watched the video, the diagram is correct. Maybe where we placed the jacks is incorrect as they have a bit of a non-standard application compared to most pedals that stack the input and send on one side and output and return on the other. Link the video form ISP and I can confirm.

[@jerrymartin5788]

@@VertexEffectsInc check it out on minute 3:30, kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZe4kIRuhbVnqMU

[@scot483]

Does this work on plugins?

[@timelapseparanormal5097]

Is it the same for Revv G8 noise gate? New subscriber here. I have a Friedman platinum board with power supply and buffer playing through a Mesa Mark 5

[@marcospintor1333]

You say it goes right before any overdrives/Distortions. Do you think it should go before compressor too? Because it does raise the buzz from a guitar and it might make it harder for the gate to tell the difference between buzz and guitar notes. What do you think 🤔 I don’t own a noise gate but im definitely looking into it

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Studio style comps (1176, LA2A, DBX) after drives. Pedal based comps (Ross, Dyna, Orange Squeezer) before drives.

[@fondomcondom9438]

So my chain would be guitar-tuner-comp-drives-volume-etc How can I apply this method with my volume pedal hooked into the overdrives

[@tonychan9637]

What if you’re trying to use a buffer and gate a fuzz pedal?

[@josephtulauan7542]

How does this work if your using a vertex buffer?

[@urbanebicycler2173]

How about those without send and return?

[@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer]

I got a little confused by this. Can you help me with how you'd go about using the same type of noise gate (like the boss ns2 with in, out, send and return) where I'm running vintage amps with no fx loop and everything is going into the front of the amp. If I go into the pedalboard, then to _IN_ of the noise gate, then run all my big muff and higher gain/noisier drives in it's loop, the from it's _OUT_ to the rest of my pedals (modulation and time based fx) the noise gate won't affect any of my time based trails, yeah?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You run the send and return as an effects loop around your gain pedals...like overdrive, distortion, etc. I would keep all time based and modulation pedals out of it. Anything before the input of the noise gate and after the output of the noise gate won't be subject to the "Gate" effect.

[@jmtab]

Another great video Mason. I am using a TC Sentry noise gate. Could I use this method to run a two amp rig? Specifically, could I spilt the signal using a Radial Twin City after the Sentry send? Only one of my amps has an effects loop. Thanks for your expertise.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It would depend on how you're dividing up your time-based effects and what's being used in the loop versus not in the loop.

[@itsbrendoni3444]

any affects that linger like delay, reverb, and so on will cause problems unless you feel like getting real fancy with cable splitters

[@davidefrancesconi4505]

Hi Mason, Before entering the amp input, is it better to place a wah pedal before or after the noise gate pedal? I have a Cry Baby Dimebag and an ISP Decimator G String. Thanks and have a nice day

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I guess it depends on how much gain your wah has and if it really needed to be gated out. Some wahs can be noisy, but other pedals follow that aren't so bad so putting the gate too early can impact some pedals negatively.

[@blcouch]

Wow!!!!!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@mvinge]

You know that meme where the girl is looking over at her partner in bed with a thought bubble that says "I wonder what he's thinking about..." Lol

[@jamesmiere814]

How to use them when the amp has no effects loop?

[@skepticalbystander]

PLEASE HELP!! So I've owned and implemented two noise gates for years and years now, one in front of the amp, with just drive pedals in the gate's loop, and one in the fx loop with just my EQ and mod effects in that gate's loop, then that gate outputs to my verbs and delay, and back into the amp's loop...is your method you explained here a better option than my setup with two independent gates for front and fx loop, especially since they're two Boss NS-2s, especially when the threshold on the one in front is at 1 oclock, and threshold for thebone in fx loop is at noon? I also just got an MXR Poly Blue Octave, it has the built-in fuzz circuit, if I remember right, don't people typically put their octaves before the gate? If so, should my Poly Blue be before the gate, or in the gates loop? This IS a bit more confusing than I always thought it to be :P maybe not by a whole lot, but any clarification on my situation would be a much appreciated life saver!! I just got my first pedalboard when I've needed one for over 10yrs now, I got a 43" board, and trying to fit about 28 or so pedals on it...not gonna lie, a tiny bit of a different task than straight on the floor with no board, trying to figure out the best layout while watching videos like this, and I like the challenge and the puzzle aspect is enjoyable, but it's not without the question or two that I keep finding along the way 😅 thanks for all the info you share with us!!

[@richarddeschaine7689]

What if you don't have an effects loop?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Watch our Advanced Signal Paths video, we explain the noise gate in several scenarios.

[@UnboundOdysseus]

What about someone like me who has a Fender Twin Reverb, which doesn't have an Effects Loop? Where do I place my Fuzz Face? In the Revv G8's "effects loop" ? Before any other pedal whatsoever?

[@QuikdethDeviantart]

no 4 cable method for you, sir. your amp has to have an fx loop for this to work.

[@nayaleezy]

There are noise gates that have input output and send return i/o? 😮

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes!!!

[@diegoalonso7119]

Will this mitigate strat hum/buzz?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Hide it, but not resolve it. If you're sensitive to noise I'd get noiseless pickups or a silent coil system.

[@bsnf-5]

i donct understand anything. I don't even have a pedalboard. I just want to buy a noise gate and I don't know where to start. Please help.

[@owenladner6496]

Hey Mason, my gate is cutting off the attack of my guitar through the distortion pedals, but not through the amp’s FX loop. Do I just need a quicker gate? I’m using the EHX silencer

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You can adjust the sensitivity. You can also wrap it around just your OD pedals and amp if you have an FX loop and see if that help.s

[@charlesb7831]

Could definitely do a Chairman of the board episode all about Noise gates. Especially for jackass like me that runs 3 amps off my pedalboard with say something like a Swissthings pedal on the pedalboard as well, it becomes something else to figure out lol

[@VertexEffectsInc]

We did do one...see the "Ask A Rig Builder" episode.

[@charlesb7831]

@@VertexEffectsInc I'll go check it out!

[@thomasashley369]

Where do the buffers go?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Watch our short on Buffers.

[@thomasashley369]

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks Mason, all useful info. What I’m trying to figure out is, if the guitar is straight into the gate and the gate is always on, does this negate the need for a buffer between the guitar and gate? Thanks buddy

[@fixxxer602]

does the output of the noise gate go into the return loop on amp?

[@QuikdethDeviantart]

my question exactly. he dropped the ball there but it kinda has to be as i don’t see any other options unless you run an amp with multiple inputs or something. so i think you’re right, everything goes to the return on amp fx loop.

[@fixxxer602]

@@QuikdethDeviantart yeah bro, maybe it was an obvious thing but I just needed some confirmation haha

[@bossesg1]

But you don’t need 4 cables these days do you? Seems so dated. Mine works fine with no extra cables

[@VertexEffectsInc]

YES, you DO if you have an amp with an effects loop and gain pedals. It depends on your set up and amp, so there's not blanket statement that "You Don't Need Four Cables" that works in some (if not most) contexts.

[@eyedunno8462]

Prove it.

[@therockridersband]

lol😂 its just a noise gate

[@MarkDaniels2787]

What?

[@johnholohan6584]

No idea what you’re saying. 😀