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@knightofwind2929
@knightofwind2929 Жыл бұрын
This is great, as a man i can identify as a woman, make millions in women's sports for like 3 years then leave and identify as a man again. Heck yeah, easy money
@minoarno7415
@minoarno7415 Жыл бұрын
true, I think we found a new get rich quick scheme xD
@hafeezahmatthews3645
@hafeezahmatthews3645 Жыл бұрын
🙃🙃🙃🙃
@MrTheChefkoch
@MrTheChefkoch Жыл бұрын
there isnt that much money to be made in woman sports. isnt it?
@wallace8637
@wallace8637 Жыл бұрын
The only problem, hope you dont compete against women(identified).
@jorgesousa6683
@jorgesousa6683 Жыл бұрын
Wait until this transgenderism becomes a trend. Then women sports will be just as competitive as men's.
@dianelemay3661
@dianelemay3661 Жыл бұрын
Well said Piers! "BULLYING PPL INTO SILENCE" that pretty much wraps it up , your no nonsense approach to this topic is greatly APPRECAITE , your continued quest to help society come back to their senses is so reassuring THANK YOU , keep up the great work!
@cameronmeyer5968
@cameronmeyer5968 Жыл бұрын
I think trans people should compete against trans people. Trans-men v Trans-men, Trans-women v Trans-women
@TheDetroit147
@TheDetroit147 Жыл бұрын
This is all uterly nonsense. There are " 100 genders" then there should be 100 gender categories in sport. Simple as that. And next will be changing rooms, toiletes, specific schools and so on. This has to stop. Trans woman are trans woman NOT woman gget out of the woman sports, toiletes, changing rooms etc.
@bestjenkins2165
@bestjenkins2165 Жыл бұрын
I aint payin tax dollars just for that
@jorgesousa6683
@jorgesousa6683 Жыл бұрын
Or just 1 trans people category. If they see themselves as gender neutral, then let them suffer the consequences of their own choices. Then the biologically born women would probably complain, but oh well, you chose it in the first place.
@aaditnoronha5383
@aaditnoronha5383 Жыл бұрын
yea lol no one will watch that
@kevinonyia6203
@kevinonyia6203 Жыл бұрын
This will open a pandoras box... We'll have other genders wanting recognition in sports as well
@robertlonsdale5326
@robertlonsdale5326 Жыл бұрын
I'm not embracing gender fluidity, I'm offended and this man is a doctor.
@Marigold502
@Marigold502 4 ай бұрын
He's not a medical dr
@bard6184
@bard6184 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure there's a vast silent majority out there who agree whole-heartedly with Morgan and Navratilova. But people are afraid to speak up because madness has become the right thing in this world. You get cancelled for being sane.
@ashnakamura2411
@ashnakamura2411 Жыл бұрын
It's actually a movement that's indoctrinating kids, it's ridiculous.
@rhysjaggar4677
@rhysjaggar4677 Жыл бұрын
I'm absolutely sure the vast silent majority is there, because 100% of people who express an opinion face-to-face, outside places of work, to people they at least know a bit (me), agree with Morgan and Navratilova. I've not heard one single opinion disagreeing with them. I'm sure they exist, but they don't exist in the circles I talk in.
@thezu9250
@thezu9250 11 ай бұрын
Most people including trans people agree with that view. There’s a reason why they’re been banned from every female sport now.
@lisieltaneza3845
@lisieltaneza3845 5 ай бұрын
Why scared being cancelled? The world dont evolve around them.
@KR-us9pj
@KR-us9pj 4 ай бұрын
You are not alone.
@germanmarcos267
@germanmarcos267 Жыл бұрын
We´ve seen cases of 60 years old men identifying themselves as women in order to retire earlier (sin men retire at 65), this is in Argentina, this is the same case. this is not embracing inclusivity, it is just taking advantage of an unclear agenda.
@evetszerep9568
@evetszerep9568 4 ай бұрын
I’m sorry I don’t mean to be rude, but I don’t understand so if you’re born female, but you’re binary and choose to be male how do you get your spouse pregnant?
@evetszerep9568
@evetszerep9568 4 ай бұрын
Or what if your female and choose to be binary, are you going to have a male spouse or female spouse and on your choice who has the baby?
@jamesokuna3778
@jamesokuna3778 Жыл бұрын
I believe a trans gender women should compete with other trans gender women. They should have their own division.
@sirhoopalot1125
@sirhoopalot1125 Жыл бұрын
It wouldn’t last
@kenyaglobalnewsnetwork35
@kenyaglobalnewsnetwork35 Жыл бұрын
True
@haninnify
@haninnify Жыл бұрын
only fair solution
@tarathoughts13
@tarathoughts13 10 ай бұрын
Taht would be great - but we literally don’t have enough trans athletes. Maybe in a couple years yes but not right now.
@Shroomboy81
@Shroomboy81 Жыл бұрын
This professors argument doesn't hold water. Well it does, but not for the reasons he would like. He says he can't be a jockey because he's to tall, a basket ball player because he's to small, well then shouldn't that translate that he or any other man shouldn't be able to compete as a woman because they are to male?
@guesst9814
@guesst9814 Жыл бұрын
ikr. but i say, hey, let's wait until they talk about fighting/martial arts sports. and if they don't change their mind even then, idk what would make them.
@FalenFourTwenty
@FalenFourTwenty Жыл бұрын
LGB is fine, but when they added the T they joined the crazy train that America seems to be on. AFAIK Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual are all words referring to a persons sexual preferences. Then they added all these letters that have nothing to do with sexual preferences and are all about personal identity. The word ''Straight'' has more inline with Lesbians, Gays and Bisexuals, since it also refers to sexual preference. Adding all these letters that refer to personal identity just confuses everything.
@andrewb.9815
@andrewb.9815 Жыл бұрын
Funny how you don't see trans-men competing against real men, isn't it?
@independentfilmchannel1476
@independentfilmchannel1476 5 ай бұрын
That would have the opposite effect. They would always lose and therefore, no one would notice.
@Thesaurcery4U2C
@Thesaurcery4U2C Жыл бұрын
EVERYONE has to know the correct answer to this. It's not confusing. You were bullied a little at a time, until your afraid to speak up. Be opposed to any hate speech policies. "If you want to know who controls you, look at who you are not allowed to criticize." ~ Voltaire
@anglophils645
@anglophils645 Жыл бұрын
Caster Semenya was not born a female. He is a genetic male, with XY chromosomes. He has PAIS----Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, which causes his body to have an incomplete response to androgens, the most dominant of which is testosterone. Therefore, at his birth, his genetalia did not look fully normal for a male, and his doctors advised his parents that it would be best to rear him as female. However, his parents did not follow the next medically necessary step. For AIS males who wish to live as females, to more closely match the look of their genitalia, their undescended testicles need to be removed, and they need to receive supplemental estrogens to help them go through female puberty. If that surgery and therapy had been done for Caster Semenya, he would be considered to be a biological female. Not a genetic female, not a fertile female, but a biological female, who went through puberty as such, and who therefore has no gender advantage over genetic females. Biological female should be defined as someone who went through female puberty. Chromosomes (genetics) should not matter, and current hormone levels should not matter. If Caster Semenya suppresses his hormones for six months, that dies not take away his male advantage of bigger, stronger, bones and muscles, and larger heart and lungs. He has permanently received those advantages over biological females, be cause he went through male puberty. Therefore, he should never be allowed to compete against women, at all.
@joeylee9809
@joeylee9809 6 ай бұрын
I Salute Martina Navratilova for speaking out against transgender athlete's competing against female athlete's, especially in Track and Field events, if these Trans athlete's wants to compete against other trans athlete's as well or better yet since they were born a man they should compete against the male athlete's.
@Iamjamessmith1
@Iamjamessmith1 Жыл бұрын
We are not born in a body. We are born as a body, we do not self-identify we are identified but others.
@mr.transporter7601
@mr.transporter7601 10 ай бұрын
How can he say “just accept the fact that he can’t be a jockey,” or Piers can’t play in the NBA because of physical reasons, but refuse to understand that a male who can’t compete with the top men in the WORLD just accept it and not transition to have an advantage?? He literally muted his own point.
@thatbaldgamer88
@thatbaldgamer88 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being in the university were this professor is your teacher. How much is he being paid to do this nonsense? Not everyone can be elite athletes just like you can’t just wake up one day and change your sex. We’ve entertained this for far too long.
@bleeee.
@bleeee. Жыл бұрын
It's mind blowing that he said 'why would someone live a facade' with such blind ignorance, although considering what he's arguing, not surprising.
@bard6184
@bard6184 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Why would someone live a facade? Millions of dollars, that's why.
@bambamsboys7394
@bambamsboys7394 Ай бұрын
Oh my gosh, I cannot believe this man said “you just can’t do things sometimes so it’s ok for trans women (biological men) to play in women’s sports cause I couldn’t be a jockey or a basketball player”…this is not even close to being the same.
@kimoreilly7999
@kimoreilly7999 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely not ! of course it’s an unfair advantage , they are male
@Shroomboy81
@Shroomboy81 Жыл бұрын
Definitely an unfair advantage, chucking a wig on and having some silicon put in your chest doesn't make you female. The thing is it doesn't even take that these days they just have to "feel" like they're a woman. A schizophrenic might think they're an international spy, we don't chuck a James Bond kit at them and say "crack on, have at it" we medicate them back to reality. It should be the same with this lot.
@billbunnel9884
@billbunnel9884 Жыл бұрын
Heck yes. Never should of been aloud
@PAULINEC-y1o
@PAULINEC-y1o Жыл бұрын
The easy thing is for all the women athletes walk away and do not compete, then the trans male will have to compete on his own
@badgerfishinski6857
@badgerfishinski6857 Жыл бұрын
"No". This issue doesnt deserve to even be discussed. Pierce is right. Next topic please
@lakshmishreev8539
@lakshmishreev8539 Жыл бұрын
He basically said noone wouls go through all that trouble so its fine. Have you no idea to what extent people will go to for money?? They risk their lives, what's pretending for a few years. And he didnt even have a solution in the end. Oh yeah we have to inclusive, so that means if a man de ides he is a women, he can take part in women games and too bad for women, we dont give a shit about women's rights
@luckystone2293
@luckystone2293 Жыл бұрын
Of course he knows
@kayla-Rey22
@kayla-Rey22 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, like no athlete ever went through all that trouble to take performance enhancing drugs. Winning is everything to these people. They'll do anything to win and for all the publicity that goes with it.
@ArmyguyTravelsSports
@ArmyguyTravelsSports Жыл бұрын
Honestly we don’t have to accommodate, especially when it takes from others rights
@shawnkelly695
@shawnkelly695 Жыл бұрын
Why are we being forced to see a man as a woman?
@nickodonato6316
@nickodonato6316 Жыл бұрын
I think we shouldn't ask biological males if transwomen are allowed in women sports. Let's ask biological female medical experts, biological female sports committees, and biological female sports participants if they should allow transwomen in their category.
@richalderson6069
@richalderson6069 Жыл бұрын
India Willoughby has done a complete 180 on his opinions here and now supports trans women in sports. Maybe his activist buddies pushed him into it.
@rollifranklyn8923
@rollifranklyn8923 Жыл бұрын
Piers and Sharan are correct end of
@MatthewFordVictoria
@MatthewFordVictoria Жыл бұрын
When the Olympics is on, there should be Transgender Games, just like we have the Paralympics, and the Special Olympics. Everyone has the right to Compete in Sports, as long as they stay in their own category.
@badgerfishinski6857
@badgerfishinski6857 Жыл бұрын
Can i please join the womans national futbol team!!??? Im a 60 year old man....Retired futbol player....and..out of shape....and look forward to scoring 3 goals every game....and winning the scoring title. Oh please...put me on your squad!
@emmanuelmaren223
@emmanuelmaren223 Жыл бұрын
I think transgenders should have a different category in sports
@AcidGubba
@AcidGubba Ай бұрын
Why can we make distinctions in sports like the Pars Olympics? The fact that a runner with two legs is faster than one with one is also a distinction. The point is to offer fair opportunities to every participant.
@thxnderbxlt1954
@thxnderbxlt1954 4 ай бұрын
"but why would someone live a facade" mate if i had to live a facade in public for 20 years for MILLIONS, id win an oscar every year
@tonybage321
@tonybage321 Жыл бұрын
Let sports be open for all categories rather than gender categories. Let trans people, men and women compete together in combined events to conlcude that biological women sports will vanish from the pages of history 😂
@cliffoswald
@cliffoswald Жыл бұрын
The American swimmer was in the 400's in standing; converts to female, is a champion.
@adamant9979
@adamant9979 Жыл бұрын
Then, why not give them their own category transgender men play against transgender men trans women play against trans women. 🤷🏻‍♂️
@kayla-Rey22
@kayla-Rey22 Жыл бұрын
Because men identifying as women don't want Trans sports. Why would they? Winning against women is too easy.
@thatbaldgamer88
@thatbaldgamer88 Жыл бұрын
We are behind you Morgan..
@johnross755
@johnross755 3 ай бұрын
How come people born female aren't conpeting against males if theres equality?
@waldemarmarwalde6817
@waldemarmarwalde6817 22 күн бұрын
1) Equality is a story we agreed to tell each other over and over again until we forget it is a LIE. 2) There are more transmen competing against men than transwomen competing against women The reason that Transmen on HRT are not allowed to compete against women because of doping restriction 3)Transmen do not tend to win against men So you normally aint gonna see them on TV because they do not make it through the qualification rounds. But that is not because they would not compete. that is because they compete and lose.
@nonegone7170
@nonegone7170 Жыл бұрын
Put a female kick boxer against a male kick boxer and find out. Oh wait, we already did...
@cepamor
@cepamor Ай бұрын
Why is it always guys who transition wanting to compete against the biological females, but rarely if ever do see gals who transition looking to compete against biological males? 😯
@paulwood6659
@paulwood6659 Жыл бұрын
This is why professors do not live in the real world.
@masmur
@masmur Жыл бұрын
online college professor at best.....
@lyndawhitehead2501
@lyndawhitehead2501 Жыл бұрын
India Willoughby has it right on. Enough said.
@shavlatoure7018
@shavlatoure7018 Жыл бұрын
They included a handicapped sports category, so there should be transgender category.
@patcarague355
@patcarague355 8 ай бұрын
It’s sad that almost all trans men athletes are afraid to come out for fear of being forced to compete against cis men.
@sarahmurphy-nf4yl
@sarahmurphy-nf4yl Жыл бұрын
PROFESSOR Ellis's INCLUSIVITY WIPES WOMEN OUT. ITS NO LONGER INCLUSIVE FOR BIOLOGICAL WOMEN anger 😒 😤 🙄
@michaelnielsen662
@michaelnielsen662 Жыл бұрын
This response answers THAT, ! question. :Marker{04:18}. In the swimming field, there should be a lapse in the starting bell a few seconds after the starting bell or women's. THAT would be determined by the racing council and officials. In Golf, There are two Tee markers on the tee-off green. One for women and one for men. Also, you are given the choice of having a ,"Handicap " in Golf also. In track and field, A racer on the inside lane starts farther behind the farther outside lanes. In the most famous car race in the world Indianapolis 500, Your qualifying time determines where you start in the starting grid. In a lot of sports, you have the choice of having a point advantage also. Ping Pong for example. I.E. Player #1, says to Player #2, I'll spot you "X" points".
@HockeyDudeJames
@HockeyDudeJames 9 ай бұрын
India is the beacon of trans people. Good for her for being brutally honest.
@matthewleet9882
@matthewleet9882 4 ай бұрын
Of course they do. They should compete in their own competition.
@truthhurts2879
@truthhurts2879 Жыл бұрын
Over FOUR MILLION VIEWS? And just 159 comments lol? C'mon youtube, the censoring is off the damn charts!!
@micksmixxx
@micksmixxx 6 ай бұрын
@truthhurts2879. Sadly, my friend, they employ muppets as moderators here. If brain cells were made of chocolate, half of them wouldn't have enough to fill a Smartie. 😉
@StefanzaHassely-t5y
@StefanzaHassely-t5y Жыл бұрын
Why is it so hard to understand? Please. At this rate, female born athletes will completely vanish from record books.
@stickeroonie
@stickeroonie Жыл бұрын
The answer is Yes this isnt a debate.
@schrapnellcotton3413
@schrapnellcotton3413 7 ай бұрын
I couldn't be a jockey or a basketball player...yes, you could...just not one that can compete in professional sports
@Frank-DuxVanDamme
@Frank-DuxVanDamme Жыл бұрын
Wanna call me transphobic? Go on, like I give a ****. I won't cry, I swear 😅
@mimismom5464
@mimismom5464 Жыл бұрын
How come we don’t hear about trans men competing against biological males?
@jeffreybranch7855
@jeffreybranch7855 10 ай бұрын
He is a professor & thats why our kids are ‘confused’😢😢
@danielmghongo7508
@danielmghongo7508 Жыл бұрын
Please as Africans lets never allow these kinds of things to enter our society, and let's protect our kids at all costs in Africa...
@JohnSmith-tt3go
@JohnSmith-tt3go 7 ай бұрын
The fact that discourse in this subsists of the title is why the state of things is so dismal. Men clearly and obviously have an advantage over women in physical contests. The debate about this is so behind where the issue is currently at that there's no use in even tuning in to these kinds of interviews/debates.
@TitoMoja
@TitoMoja 7 ай бұрын
If I wanna be like Lebron or MJ, I just need to identify myself as a woman then join WNBA? ahahahahaha
@glennbonavente7861
@glennbonavente7861 Жыл бұрын
Why is that everyone who supports Transgender who comes in a debate, always cut off and get loud and wants the other people to shush! Then they get angry if you dont agree with them! hmmm!!! toxic
@grahambarlow1308
@grahambarlow1308 5 ай бұрын
. Don't you remember the Olympic games in 1948/ 52/56/60/ The East Germans and the Russians used to have Female hammer throwers and shot put and discuss throwers built like heavy weight boxers. They were massive in size and strength . They won all the golds , and nobody said a sqeak , but nobody believed they were normal. Our athletes looked ridiculously small against these female giants. They could have been trans, but were never tested for years
@Guest-at-the-Asylum
@Guest-at-the-Asylum Жыл бұрын
Each human cell contains 23 pairs of chromosomes that carry DNA within their nucleus. The X and Y chromosomes, commonly referred to as the sex chromosomes, are one such pair. They determine the biological sex, reproductive organs, and sexual characteristics that develop in a person. Female (XX) mammals inherit one X chromosome from each parent, but males (XY) receive an X from their mother and a Y sex chromosome from their father.
@malcolmcarroll9497
@malcolmcarroll9497 17 күн бұрын
Surely there is a very simple answer to transgender “ women” competing in women’s events. Have all male events, all women’s events and transgender events. How come nobody has thought of that ? It is an absolute solution to the whole problem !
@nathanmaker7824
@nathanmaker7824 11 ай бұрын
what theory? the professor could barely string 2 words together
@adveritas7366
@adveritas7366 Жыл бұрын
no one is embracing gender fluidity PROFESSOR.
@laurykristensen6239
@laurykristensen6239 25 күн бұрын
This isn't a question we haven't known the answer to since the beginning of human life, ffs!!!
@thinktwice3211
@thinktwice3211 Жыл бұрын
Mother Nature has nothing to do with what trans people are doing to their bodies, in fact she is most likely crying. How dare that guy bring Mother Nature in to this.
@schrapnellcotton3413
@schrapnellcotton3413 7 ай бұрын
Notice how the transitioned guest answers the gotcha question from that other guest who evidently has a doctorate but he couldn't do the same and gets so upset, maybe he is not use to being interrupted and has the floor and everyone's undivided attention at his brilliance, that he tells them to be silent. Always the condescending arrogance from the one side in these debates in my opinion.
@KCBluesJams
@KCBluesJams 6 ай бұрын
Do males have advantages against females in sports yes 👍
@John_TalksGiants
@John_TalksGiants 9 ай бұрын
This professor just embarrassed himself
@IamKlaus007
@IamKlaus007 Жыл бұрын
Not only do the records speak for themselves, I wonder how many trans 'women' would be willing to walk into a hospital and tell someone, "I'm having a miscarriage". Or better still, undergo an examination by a gynecologist. C'mon do it. We just want see you embarrass yourselves and prove to us all how deep the bs goes.
@lauwilliams-hn8qs
@lauwilliams-hn8qs Жыл бұрын
Whether at an elite or non- elite level, it should be based on biology. This is WHY there are male and female sports.
@markmurphy4056
@markmurphy4056 Жыл бұрын
That professor is talking utter nonsense.
@LittleRayofSunshine69750
@LittleRayofSunshine69750 6 ай бұрын
Simple - give them their own field. Trans swimming, tennis, etc!
@linm9598
@linm9598 6 ай бұрын
Yes yes yes!!!!! It is cheating. Theres nothingblevel about this playing field. GET YOUR OWN CATEGORIES & stay out of womens sports!!😡😡😡😡😡
@ChristinePye
@ChristinePye Жыл бұрын
When a transgenger person says it is an advantage then listen up.
@devongarvie6261
@devongarvie6261 Жыл бұрын
Caster Semenya isn't transgender
@KitschKiss-pi8wp
@KitschKiss-pi8wp 8 ай бұрын
The man (not Morgan) speaking is a monster. Saying that sport is unequal, therefore men can be in female sports ....oh my gosh. He keeps putting his hands up in front of himself and ignoring Morgan completely. He gives one of the most absurd examples for why "Collen" should be allowed to hypothetically compete. disgusting. Of course, since this interview....everything this man stated was absurd, is happening
@drazenbicanic3590
@drazenbicanic3590 Жыл бұрын
Does that so-called professor know that equestrian sport is the only sport where both men and women compete.
@craigfowler7098
@craigfowler7098 8 ай бұрын
That professor is an embarrassment to his profession, apparently sociology.
@yochanantov5490
@yochanantov5490 Жыл бұрын
Trans then should begin their own "all-trans" sports teams in which ever sport they choose & compete with their own kind. That would make it equal.
@jackwakefield1979
@jackwakefield1979 Жыл бұрын
I was told before that women are as strong as men. Now you don't want to be equal?
@MrBlueoasis
@MrBlueoasis Жыл бұрын
What kind of a professor is this? The Spinning Science?
@davidbp10
@davidbp10 Жыл бұрын
This professor is an embarrassment to any thinking person. Is he for real?
@stephanlaw9543
@stephanlaw9543 5 ай бұрын
This Professor should be ashamed of himself.
@williamhenry9705
@williamhenry9705 5 ай бұрын
YES
@46pennrdprix
@46pennrdprix 10 ай бұрын
She said the LGB is like the KGB 😂 that’s clever asf I like that one.
@dandikusuma2678
@dandikusuma2678 Жыл бұрын
Professor??? Are you joking?????
@lamaree9808
@lamaree9808 Жыл бұрын
The fall out of extreme feminism that teaches extreme inclusivity at the expense of a biological woman....
@t.plasma8098
@t.plasma8098 Жыл бұрын
Should ask em if they think having a trans women in a female prison is a good idea
@CIPP703
@CIPP703 7 ай бұрын
The professor needs to go back to pre-k lol😅
@AllTimeFaded
@AllTimeFaded Жыл бұрын
Love how on every good morning video I go on with piers challenging people, all the comments have been removed and only now new ones are being made, wonder when they get around to removing all of are new comments!
@razeaquekuli4802
@razeaquekuli4802 Жыл бұрын
How about transgender man taking part in male sports?🤦‍♀️🤷‍♂️
@ayomideoluwaga639
@ayomideoluwaga639 Жыл бұрын
Where are all the comments
@scottmc4818
@scottmc4818 Жыл бұрын
Mr Cashmore is evidently a mysogynistic homosexual
@tuviadavidmorrison4215
@tuviadavidmorrison4215 Жыл бұрын
The "professor" is nonsensical as is anyone agrees with his views of transgender male to female persons competing against women!
@rollotomassee9533
@rollotomassee9533 Жыл бұрын
HOLY SHIT, this was 4 years ago?!
@commentarywithconnor
@commentarywithconnor Жыл бұрын
So the argument for him is some people are naturally gifted so fuck it. Just let women get smoked. Lol ok
@adelina-diana1080
@adelina-diana1080 11 ай бұрын
I identify as a 70 years old living person. So my question is where is my retirement payment? It's my right even if I still have at least 40 years to go.
@willyhwang1059
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so.. is McEnroe now vindicated after all? for his statement re: serena william? are attacking critics of McEnroe now supporting trans women athletes competing in womens sport? because if not, then they are all hypocrites. because you can't have it both ways.
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