Biological Males Should Not Compete in Women's Sports (Part 1) | Change My Mind

[@StevenCrowder]

Can you believe we're at the point this had to be a "Change My Mind" topic? The left simply wants to destroy the line between male and female. If you want to support us fighting back, join #MugClub. LouderWithCrowder.com/MugClub

[@burymeinkief]

A man of culture.

[@henryfreeman6113]

Just joined mug club yesterday! Thanks for the student discount!

[@AmericanToucan]

If you want to fight it. Go debate in the streets. People shouldn’t be allowed to push lies in the name of feelings

[@Human-dn1gr]

Thank you for your logic, reasoning and determination!

[@matthew7244]

“I was hated before you will be” it is sad that almost everything that is in the bible is being rejected by modern society

[@djones1558]

Translation: The feelings of biological males who identify as females is more important than the athletic careers of biological women.

[@Neightlive]

Bingo

[@vincebui155]

100%. These activists don't care about biological women.

[@danielandreisx]

Exactly my thoughts

[@thepsychomagus]

all the progress of decades women made thrown out in only a few years. way to go left.

[@TinaJoy24]

exactly

[@darkheart407]

“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” - George Orwell

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

Literally 1984😂 Edit, wow, who knew a joke would do something like this🙂 Anyway 🇺🇲♥️🇷🇺

[@sticksnstonespatriot1728]

" We Defeated the Wrong Enemy " - Patton

[@oliviav.3565]

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -- Voltaire

[@madelineharkins5643]

True that!

[@lungugrungus]

John 8:44-46; You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me! Which of you can prove Me guilty of sin? If I speak the truth, why do you not believe Me?

[@IntoTheFire777]

It's physically painful seeing these young people do backflips trying to defend an undefendable position. I weep.

[@danielleech1988]

That's what makes this one even more interesting

[@decorDD]

I’m actually hugely impressed that this young man has at least thought about his opinion and is open to hearing other opinions . His peers seem to mostly want to scream abuse and throw stuff

[@aberamagold7509]

It shouldn't even be up for discussion

[@e6staffsargeify]

I just wish I could do a backflip

[@grimstrife4338]

@@decorDD but he hasn't thought about it. It is something he accepted at face value. That is why at no point he was able to properly defend his position. I mean no insult to him we have all been there and dialogue like this is great.

[@okamiseele8614]

So as a freshman in Highschool, I was on the cross country team. There where only three of us for the school, all first years, and I was the only woman. However, the three of us trained together. On one occasion, we had to play tag where I would be tagged first and never catch someone else without them letting me. They beat me in sprints, endurance, and speed every time. As a biological woman, I will NEVER win a physical competition against men. Full stop. Always being weaker than my male teammates made me feel so unmotivated because I knew I couldn’t compete on their level but I still had to. It was demoralizing and it sucked. If I were a woman who would’ve won an Olympic medal if not for a man competing with me, I would be beyond pissed.

[@antagonisf]

yep, its disempowering women by letting mentally unstable male into womens sport one thing about my views (a bit more right leaning) and those that are similar to me is that we argue based on facts, thats why we fight radical feminism but ALSO fight for women rights, girls that are raped by supposed transgender women another thing, why arent left leaning individuals more open to discussions as well as civil discussions? they would rather assault, refuse to talk, act like children? OH CUZ THEY ARE BABIES TRAPPED IN ADULT BODY

[@Oldbayisthebestseasoning]

It's very very rare a woman can beat a man at a sport. And that isn't a bad thing either. And it's not impossible. There's been a few woman who have completely destroyed a man at a sport. But 98% of the time a man is gonna win even with less experience

[@MatijaDrame95]

The fact that this has to be debated is beyond insane.

[@gutsberserk2718]

Absolutely, and this is at a college.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

We will get to a point where no biological woman will ever win any athletic competition. You only need 3 mediocre male athletes in any particular sport to transition and there you go, all the medals are spoken for. Then we will be having a conversation.

[@peewee-nv8yc]

@@gutsberserk2718 and how those students behave like spoiled brats at that age I was in a war zone !! never saw college

[@gutsberserk2718]

@@peewee-nv8yc Same here, things are going to get rough if this is what colleges/schools in general are pumping out. Hopefully these are just the small fringe deplorables.

[@gutsberserk2718]

@@goodlookinouthomie1757 Should not need to get to that point. This should not be happening period.

[@pyroboy417]

Regardless of his viewpoint, its just nice to be reminded that there are still people out there capable of having a civilized argument without getting offended and throwing a tantrum when they start to lose.

[@terrabnadia1793]

This is the only reason I watch these. I want to actually learn and listen to a civil debate about how people truly think. I cannot stand people who just scream and shout and say the same-thing over and over again

[@joshr6626]

Seriously

[@jenniferglenn14]

So true

[@humansboringworld2621]

Yes... but, when a man in fighting sports, decide to wear a wig and beat womans is just not fair. Stop destroying woman's competitions. Theese man will be always a man, with, or without a willy.

[@schuylerschmidt8107]

I agree. Civil discord has been thrown out the window.

[@kanelius3733]

It's beyond unbelievable that people disagree on this topic.

[@deathbat8738]

Pretty sad

[@ryanm7263]

It isn't the first time in history this controversy has erupted. Last time gender hysteria happened, it directly preceded the fall of Rome.

[@michaelparker5030]

"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." Samuel Langhorne Clemens

[@papirojo4228]

They disagree because they’re spoon fed their positions by these educators from Elementary school through college.

[@trashpanda2312]

brainwashed snowflakes.

[@drewendly89]

As a 13yr old I was faster than college women in the 100m and 200m. As a junior in HS I was faster than any woman on planet earth… insane that people think this is fair to women.

[@maanelmardi410]

Crazy that these guys have the confidence to argue this crappie 😂

[@srego7630]

What are your 100, 200 and 400m run times

[@SeattlePioneer]

Feminists have sold the idea that SEX DISCRIMINATION IS WRONG to society. Fine. We'll just apply that idea consistantly. After all, few MEN can compete in sports at a high level either. 99.999% of men AND women are excluded from winning an Olympic Gold Medal or millions of dollars in a tennis or golf tournament. Why accept women excluding men so they can earn awards and honors only because sex discrimination is permitted?

[@MTJStudios71]

@@srego7630 as a junior in highschool pre-season i can go to the olympics as a woman for my 800 meter time. One of my best friends could've just beat the world record for womens 800m as a junior as well. Huge gap dude

[@brennanstafford133]

I'm the whitest dude that has ever existed. Grew up in the suburbs and I broke the women's Olympic record in the 400 when I was 17...we're just built different.

[@mrshmuga9]

“It might destroy all of women’s sports, their hopes and aspirations… but it’s a worthy sacrifice for the 3 transgender athletes, 2 of which only did so solely because it was an easy win.”

[@johntaranto29]

We need a transgender leauge

[@AJ-zv9tn]

It's because trans people are higher on the empathy pyramid which dictates society

[@mrshmuga9]

@@johntaranto29 And a steroid league.

[@mrshmuga9]

@@AJ-zv9tn Most definitely.

[@rivermcratt3683]

@@johntaranto29 we need to stop saying transgender because the term doesn't make any sense. By their own definition they were misgendered at birth. By their own definition they were born their gender, they are their gender they will stay their gender and they will die their gender. You cannot transition into something you are. You can transition your sexual organs and become a transsexual, you can transition your outer vestiges and become a transvestite, but you cannot trans your gender if you already are the gender.

[@Giles_Heaton]

As friendly as the chap is, he knows he's wrong and he's desperately clutching at straws to say something/anything that won't get him cancelled amongst his peers.

[@Nebulon2010]

Still i apreshiate he went to the table and talked about it. Its easy to say fuck you and walk on and assume you're in the right. But the gut sat down, he knows hes in tbe wrong but keepsgoing,but in the back of his head the thoughts will stick, thats how minds change...

[@D_Max]

His laugh should get him cancelled

[@Bran_Flakesx7]

I respected this kid until 35:11 where he's like "even if I'm wrong I'm morally better than you" essentially.. ..and that's what it's all about folks..

[@proceramic7422]

@@Bran_Flakesx7 exactly

[@billyray8062]

Exactly!!

[@Setsotama]

I feel like the bigger question that needs to be addressed is: "Why is women's sports being used as a retirement home for failed male athletes?"

[@samanthafitzgerel4460]

YES!!!!! Exactly!!!!

[@terrymcginnis1990]

Nailed it. Always feels cowardly to me, they can't beat other men so they go beat women. What do they get out of it? It's most certainly not honor, which only leaves money as a motivation to me.

[@TheReapersSon]

Democrats want to kill all things involved in retirement home residency. Whether it's COVID patients in nursing homes, or putting men in women's sports to kill a woman's Olympic career.

[@linnekelly6065]

They are being encouraged to exploit women

[@jadegoddess1197]

@@terrymcginnis1990 ,zzz,,, ,

[@ReturnOf962]

I’m embarrassed for that kid, Steven gave all the facts in the world and that poor kid was reaching for his life to not admit that Steven is right. That kid even contradicted himself on multiple occasions. This is why our country will be ran into the ground, they literally cannot admit when they are wrong.

[@captainsmoka9864]

It’s fucking annoying! I’m screaming in my mind “FUCKING GIVE UP ALREADY!!!” He got destroyed so many times and he can’t see that.

[@hayakawa3611]

@@captainsmoka9864 I think it takes a lot of self awareness that people lack, no reason to be angry at them, they're just a little silly is all

[@captaindavidjones844]

Sounds like a certain President Bush to me. Pretty sure he and his cabinet were informed and presented with factual evidence a few years after 9/11 that Iraq didn't have WMDs, but didn't they continue to plow forward anyway, wasting almost a trillion tax dollars over the last 20 years? Isn't the country in major debt right now to the point that the debt ceiling had to be raised in order for the government to continue operating? Wouldn't you consider THAT running the country into the ground? The point is that your age and political party don't matter...it's all about the ego of the person.

[@KentVigilante]

@@hayakawa3611 I think he was worried about falling out with peers if he agreed with Steven

[@cannongerber3257]

He’s still a kid. When I was in college I was the same way, coming up with mental gymnastics to justify liberal positions so that I looked like a good person. It was just because I hadn’t been exposed to the real world. This kid has a good head on him, he’s respectful and he listens. I’m sure he will change his opinions over time. Try not to be so judgemental about college students. I believe the saying is true: “If you’re young and a conservative you don’t have a heart, if you’re old and a liberal then you don’t have a brain.”

[@benjaelee]

Honestly, I dont care if you're a republican or democrat, if you're a decent human being and can talk about controversial issues without throwing a temper tantrum, you've got my respect. Some of these people need to grow up

[@xTymezz]

Well said

[@rauelb09]

@@xTymezz IT USED to be like that , we voted and then after that short minuet we were all Americans again, what happened

[@josephellis5165]

Obama....

[@kennybeans6115]

The “morally and intellectually superior” are only going to get worse. And the Democrats and their media machine that have placated and facilitated this political activism and partisan insanity have bloods on their hands, both figuratively and literally speaking. Trump didn’t divide the country, the political establishment and their attempts to try anything to counter and remove him did, including treason.

[@lorrainearmstrong7587]

Physical stature has NOTHING to do with political stance. NOBODY is talking about whether 'Lea Thomas' is Republican or Democrat, THE POINT is 'did a MAN compete and win against WOMEN in a WOMAN'S sport'. The answer to THAT is 'YES HE DID'

[@kingdomcome1617]

It's painful to see a young man that has a sharp mind trying very very hard to defend a position that is so blatantly wrong... Not being able to admit men are stronger and better at physical sports than women is hard to wrap my head around. How much indoctrination does it take to make this happen?

[@gozgal]

Not too much when it starts in grade school.

[@Lurchstavo]

Take a mma competition. Men have stronger facial bones and can withstand more damage to the face. If a biological male goes into female mma, it's so unfair its not funny. Men can take way more punches than women. They should never be allowed to fight a woman

[@derekpatterson1752]

K-12 lol

[@ericpunkkinen5038]

You can definitely see it in his eyes he blinks rapidly when his brain can't comprehend a logical outcome and he has to resort back to agree to disagree

[@maverick7291]

@@ericpunkkinen5038 this is not to insult him but I believe he might have a form of turrets. Not all turrets is oral effected, it can also be physical ticks. But it might also be his brain processing what Steven told him, so who knows.

[@georgejohn3465]

I love the fact that steven has always kept a respectful tone with his opponents in public yet you can see child-brained adults acting condescending towards him

[@RockyMountainResale]

💯

[@LN-Lifer]

@@smartass0124 it's very important to do so. Shows the contrast between the sides. And even better it pisses them off!

[@SOLIDMARCOS47]

I will be very clear and honest in my opinion I don't think trans male athletes should compete in women's sports nor woman to male trans should compete in males period. At that point is just ridiculous and stupid these arguments I just find it funny that the university are using are tax dollars to fund garbage gender studies classes that are to destroy are society instead of something useful to these kids lives. Funny I'm calling them kids because I'm 23 working a hard labor job has made earn my grit with blood, sweat, and tears. I'm blessed I didn't go to college and rather earn my stripes in the reality the these adults pre Krs.

[@yourmomsdildo3938]

Facts allow you to keep calm.

[@sparrow420500]

Yes, Steven conducts himself as a man in his thirties whereas lot of those other people are conducting themselves as exactly what they are, petulant, self important children.

[@cazzakelp9755]

What a lovely young human. This young person had such respect when talking. Usually they are sarcastic & are not willing to listen to another’s point of view. We need more humans in this world like this! So gentle when putting his view across.

[@PattycakeStudios]

I can’t wait for this kid to grow up, get married, have a daughter, and experience that moment when he realizes what it would mean for a man to compete against his own daughter in sports.

[@ctdope]

EXACTLY. All these clown men who pretend that this garbage is ok, would lose their mind if a 6'2" 14 yr old who now wants to be a girl, tries to compete against his 4'11" daughter in a contact sport. NOT HAPPENING!!

[@devoff7014]

Sad reality tho most probably won't care until they are getting beat. My cousin who has a 6 yearold daughter supports this all in. She claims we are all making fun of lia when all we want is it to be fair lmao.

[@jeremyzzz5067]

Nah, these people still wouldn’t care

[@abodieqwerty4678]

@@ctdope I've seen many women like that as well.

[@samanthawhang7498]

Or when his daughter asks for a female OBGYN to examine her, and instead she gets a 50 year old dude in a dress.

[@BERTRAND85O]

Blows my mind that people actually want to debate this topic lol

[@scottydog9997]

I do just for shits and giggles, it is by no means a serious subject.....Yet politicians and geopolitical enemies are using it as a weapon.

[@TheXayyEffect]

There's alot of morons out there unfortunately...

[@conniead5206]

It isn’t a “want” dude. Because it isn’t properly debated females have been forced to accept males in their sports. I rarely watch tv, let alone sports. I remember how dudes reacted to a female who had played soccer being a kicker (?) on a college or pro male football team. Her debut was a fail and the female bashing intensified considerably. “See, women can’t compete against men”. Yet the same men have not been publicly supporting girls and women against competing with males. If you had in decent numbers we wouldn’t be in this situation. I think it was in the 70s when a trans woman was trying to compete in women’s pro tennis. I can not remember how good or bad she was. But the huge outcry against it from both sexes nixed her career. This time around the supporters were armed, ready, and had gathered media and leftist support. Women and girls were, to me, backstabbed. If they said anything, they were bullied and “canceled”. An international famous gay female tennis player who had been active in LGBTQ who opposed trans women competing against females was “canceled”. The media censorship of any that oppose this is terrible. They act like a pack of dogs tearing apart a cat.

[@jordanadamowicz8513]

@Tvtvtv Tvtvvuv I completely agree. Kids that age don't need this garbage being fed to them. No child should be pressured into this kind of thinking. It's wrong.

[@Grizzly_Adams.]

We somehow supposed to protect the 1% by throwing the 51% of females under the bus? And they call republicans sexists wtf???

[@travis718]

I love how this dude is like "Can you prove that? Where's the evidence?" Then as soon as the evidence is given he basically just says yeah I'm more worried about Trans people's feelings being hurt I don't care about the evidence.

[@sirmister9099]

the conversation can be summed up at 43:41

[@grosebud4554]

That’s literally every college kid and pretty much every millennial. They need to see peer reviewed papers without ever following the money.

[@egobrain6826]

Every time

[@rdubayoo]

"Okay, give me an example." *gives example* "That's anecdotal." 😑

[@chico9805]

Typical of a fool, who relies on those with self-appointed authority, to tell him what is right and wrong - "Where's your study, written by someone with a fancy degree, which I will dismiss anyways"

[@thatonechristianchic8275]

What I get from this is that Issac is an incredibly compassionate person and he wants for everyone to be happy and satisfied. He just doesn’t realize that he’s favoring trans women over biological women. He’s not prioritizing their happiness or health and that behavior is fed by the modern atmosphere that tells you who to protect. It preys on compassionate people who want to help but end up in this cycle. The only way to break free is to understand that everyone can’t be happy all the time and sacrifices have to be made. A compromise must be found.

[@Design_no]

I'm amazed that women who think trans competing in women sports is OK. Very strange indeed.

[@Anarchist86ed]

The patriarchy! Also let's let men beat us in sports!

[@Zach-gq9cw]

They just don't want to get canceled

[@zeejay4458]

They’re scared of getting cancelled. It’s very cowardly actually

[@mockfanatik]

I know right? It’s usually the women who don’t compete though. LOL

[@joeross6523]

They need more oppression and more to complain about.

[@OmniMale]

I. Cannot. Get. Behind. This. As the father of a female, I watch my girl grow and see the obstacles she faces. She started her cycle a few month ago. She's early. She's also developing early. She deals with a lot of emotions that will cultivate and dictate what kind of person she is. I can't see someone spending 20nyrs as a male then being a female. They just diminished my daughters life with a whim. Nope. Not a woman.

[@Godisincontrol1]

I believe people that change their sex are mentally ill and the media that push this idea to change their sex... is wrong and slaps God in the face. God doesn't make mistakes.

[@Omegaman1969]

@@Godisincontrol1 I'm not sure all are mentally ill, certainly a high percentage are. I have known very masculine girls and very feminine males that would likely have higher male or female hormones, they weren't mentally ill in any way.

[@oscarwong4201]

@@Omegaman1969 doesn’t mean they should change their gender or sex.

[@crazywanch101]

Thank you. My daughter is only four months old, I worry for the future. Two kids, one boy (four) as well. God bless you in your fight to protect your kids from this chaos

[@TheParanormalSarah]

This +10000

[@JokesOClock]

As a fellow swimmer I am really pissed at what lia Thomas is doing because the amount of work some women put into swimming trying to get a scholarship is just insane. We swim for 4 hours a day 5 to 6 days a week and just for a biological male to take a women’s scholarship is just makes me upset. Imagine working towards a goal for your entire life just for it to get ripped away from you because of an unfair advantage.

[@gotMilk1311]

Well, you better get ready cause it seems it is getting a lot worse for you ladies, since it's okay for a man to compete with yall just because he wants to be a girl lol that is horrible, make a different swim class for them if that's the case let them compete against each other. Not with other women who deserve to make it in the sport they gave their life to.

[@JokesOClock]

@@gotMilk1311 well im a dude but I know it’s going to get worse for them and that saddens me

[@mr.e3768]

women should stop majority voting democrat then

[@Dah42]

Doesn't liberalism teach that women and men are "equal'? don't they say that a woman having premarital sex is the same as a man having premarital sex? don't they say that male and female athletes should get paid the same salary even though men's tournaments generate 1,000 times more revenues than women's? If men and women are indeed 'equal" then sports shouldn't be segregated anymore.

[@johnmedellin84]

Many people don’t have to imagine, similar things happen with parents who pay for their child to pay and get selected instead of the higher skilled player who’s parents don’t have the same resources. But yes I agree it sucks.

[@PatPauloMMA]

What I love about Steven is that he stands firm in his belief system which is backed up by his knowledge and research. Alot of people don't really know the difference between what they think, what they know and what they believe.

[@jtarantula3390]

But he didn’t even know half of the information on Lia Thomas, whatever her name is. Also, he kept interrupting the guy, constantly.

[@Penguinzero1]

@@jtarantula3390Steven spoke facts

[@JonKooistra-wf6pq]

Even given his sociopathic behavior with his wife.... He has always been extremely respectful in these debates. "Please continue. I want to understand your position.". Very respectful

[@mikegruits2137]

The first guy was great. I don't agree with his perspective, but he was calm, articulate and open-minded. It's people like him that make exercises like this valuable.

[@happyhour4670]

Yes!

[@paigelovette8156]

Agreed

[@ja9145]

Open minded? He stood firm on his stance and never changed his mind on even the tiniest tiniest points. I do commend him for being calm and articulate. A college student able to do that these days? Seemingly rare. I'm not putting the man down at all, I just disagree he was open minded.

[@ja9145]

I mean hell, this extremely early 20s young dude seemed like he lived 60 years of life compared to that rolling stones journalist who seemed like he was about 14 and just hopped on twitter and takes tweets as academics

[@omarali262]

First guy? He's the only guy. Someone didn't watc the whole thing kekw

[@andersonsteelrod8121]

His argument is literally “we should let them compete because it would hurt their feelings if we didn’t”

[@tylersmith9868]

Lol. Fuck em

[@manhuntruler2]

😂😂😂

[@ae-ribae6426]

Yeah without him realising it, he basically advocates for men to beat women and take their scholarships and awards, so they can feel good about themselves. How sexist is that! 🤔

[@pretikewl76]

I noticed that too. He really doesn't know what to say other than keep repeating that over and over again.

[@sto4713]

What about the feelings of bio women who are now losing medals and places etc on swim teams now some olympic teams the solution is so so simple start a trans division.

[@Cuzog23]

This guy said “I would like as many people as possible competing in sports”. By destroying sports you are lowering the amount of people that will participate in sports.

[@LawsonR]

A fraction of .01% would compete and destroy a greater proportion of 48% of the population. Big brains move by this kid.

[@nodangles6983]

Yeah, and even the number.

[@junior.von.claire]

I know this: he was civil, considerate, judicious, engaged, respectful. I was thoroughly impressed. He is a liberal, not a leftist. I’m not sure if he knows how significant is this difference.

[@thrawl]

I don't know about that but it does however completely destroy what a sport is and what the whole point of a sport is

[@Luke-xt6pk]

Women's sports is a joke anyway. If anything, men competing in women's sports is good, insofar as it highlights the ridiculousness and evil of modern gender theory.

[@garretsullivan527]

For some reason initially I mistakenly assumed that you were arrogant. Boy, was I wrong, I now realize you are just confident and really good at what you do. Keep up the great work!

[@Jamesnuch]

20:25 what he fails to understand is that allowing 1 unfair athlete affects the rankings of all the female athletes. Lia Thomas getting the gold robs the 4th place of a bronze. The woman who ranks 17 is robbed of the top 16. This affects every woman’s athletic career. It’s not just about first or second, it’s all affected.

[@TKOdarkshadow]

@@smartass0124 Who? lol

[@fdjp7338]

@@smartass0124 yes

[@RJirl]

when this college student was in grade school, they were receiving participation ribbons. why would he think receiving 15th instead of 14th be a problem?

[@LukeRyan]

@@RJirl my school got participation trophies but I do not believe in this bull crap lol.

[@mrunfortunate1013]

@@RJirl cuz scouts look at scores and ranks and also qualification for events required to participate means one needs to achieve a quota of stats. For example being 101st would disqualify one from competitions for higher level play and career starting opportunity that a woman could of had but cuz some lad thought fuck it ill crush it in the weaker division and feel like HE “achieved” sonething.

[@ChosenPlaysYT]

It’s actually insane that in America you need full blown Police escort and security for wanting to talk about genuine issues we need to iron out as a society. How anyone wants to associate with the modern left screeching and silencing debate legitimately blows my mind.

[@EastlakeRasta7]

Clearly their parents didn't teach them manners or how to be respectful when people are talking

[@Weissguys6]

Steven is a real man; he can handle it. ❤️

[@jackieblue9536]

Its spreading...

[@zacharypettis5277]

its crazy out here bro

[@smtbigelow]

@@EastlakeRasta7 Our public school system has been indoctrinating kids that they know better than their parents and they dont need to listen to them.

[@the-45th_was_great35]

As a Female swimmer, this should NEVER be allowed. A one second time difference is a mile in swimming.

[@2guys1gun2]

Liberals are gonna be pissed

[@StefanSu91]

Unless you swim a mile per second then you are wrong. JK chill.

[@Dylan-gn9ol]

@@StefanSu91 JK CHILL 🤣🤣

[@mycaingram1519]

You’re a swimmer, he probably just sucks. If you look at the event that Lea, you should also see two other events that she got fifth place or worse. Your people make the argument that people like Lea will come in and squash the composition. Clearly, that is not the case. Also, there are lots of rules and regulations that trans athletes have to adhere to before getting in the pool with their identifying gender. It is scientifically proven that males and females can insert the same amount of strength if they have the same muscle mass. In order to compete, Lea had to be on estrogen, a catabolic hormone that prevents protein synthesis in muscles for over a year. Sports is literally for entertainment. If you’re faster you’re more entertaining. If you’re better you’re more entertaining. Take your sorry ass somewhere else.

[@btc1668]

Male swimmers think this is nuts too

[@keiffvzn1991]

While this guy deserves credit for being civil and open to dialogue (which is rare to find in college students these days), you could tell he was trying too hard to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[@jenniferschade7553]

"Accept me for who I am because I can't accept myself". That is the madness in a nutshell. Mental Health matters.

[@raijuko]

They aren't even actually trans. They just have low self esteem and no coping skills so they join a protected minority to try and shield their fragile egos from criticism. That's all this trans wave is about. I know and work a job with 2 actual trans women. They think all of this is the dumbest bull shit to ever grace the planet.

[@andyreid7274]

This is because mental hospitals were closed back in the 90s.

[@neilkuckman6627]

@@andyreid7274 Yep. And the Democrats started giving them jobs.

[@lululovlie6175]

@@raijuko wait, are you referring to people who suffer from gender dysphoria in general across the board or just those oppressing women by competing in their sports categories?

[@TheAmishElectrican]

@@lululovlie6175 Opressing women.....Good lord....enough already, Opressing lol

[@gailmarie4039]

The gentleman says “Wait until it becomes a problem.” It already IS a problem when you deprive an entire women’s team of their years of hard work, blood, sweat and tears. The world has gone mad.

[@2ranzan]

Thats the lefts mentality. Wait till it becomes a problem then blame everyone else for it.

[@RanMouri82]

And Crowder did well to point out that just because this is a budding problem, and so we don't see the widespread damage yet, doesn't mean we inevitably will see widespread damage to women's sports if this is allowed to continue.

[@Hellsong89]

@@RanMouri82 I think there is two sides to this. One is that yes you kinda should preventively chance rules to remove budding issue, but on other hand anti-gun lobbyist have used this to bad anything and everything they can preventively to remove issue and then use that as "see it didnt become bigger issue cause of these laws" when there is no hard evidence it would become bigger issue in the first place, like bump stocks for instance. While i'm kinda against those as safety concern (i much rather see people get select fire weapons than these gimmick add ons) that you are holding them loosely by the design what makes it harder to control, do what ever in your own property and if you hit me by accident you can be sure i sue hell out of you. Its one of those hard questions in life, but in base level it might be better to do law changes when problems arrive, but then again we do have already instances of records being broken left right and center by biological males in womens sports.

[@ratzasse]

That would be my point. One man competing against women in any sport requiring strength and endurance could dominate and ruin it for every female trying to compete. It only takes one. In swimming events, it has already started, so it is a real problem. No need to allow it to go any further.

[@randelldanner8588]

Never confuse the left with facts and reality.

[@FolkMagician352]

Hey let’s give another shoutout to Isaac for being such a champ about that conversation. He maintained his composure throughout the talk even when you could tell he had lost his point. He was also very respectful. And even downright friendly. Very nice to see there are still students out there like that!

[@BernieTheDevastator]

Fr. Especially the yelling and shit in the intro. We need more of these young ADULTS.

[@redmanjbj]

Yeah, pat on the back for maintaining composure even though he literally made no sense trying to defend his indoctrination.

[@letsplayxboxsports]

Yah. I can respect him. I honestly stopped watching these segments because while I know theres some entertaining things, I just couldnt take 45 minutes of someone getting angry and just screaming nonsense. I would actually like to see some more left wing people or atleast centralist not just on this segment, but on the regular show too. Echo chambers aren't good on either side.

[@rosenwynwalford3214]

Maybe one day he will wake up we need the brainwashing to stop in schools college and university's

[@fannyboni472]

Well yeah and its exaclty because of this, that its even sader to see young people like this getting their brains wash with the lefty education karsher!!!

[@Squarehead_305]

I feel like if I get into a discussion with this guy while discussing something Im not completely knowledged on, he would out-debate me. Well spoken and patient, well done.

[@kyleh2007]

What a shame to see someone who appears to have every ability for critical thought, jump through hoops, and try to convince himself of something so absurd , to just not be shunned by his peers.

[@JonPawesome]

Idk. I have queer and trans friends and I just care about them and have listened to their stories and have gotten to know them as a human being first and foremost. So my motivation to “justify” their existence isn’t for acceptance of my peers, I just genuinely understand and empathize with their plight. Not sure how that plays into your idea of our motivations though lol

[@kyleh2007]

@@JonPawesome you can "justify" your friends existence, that's great. In fact you should "justify" everyones existence, seems like the right thing to do. Take for example the female athlete who has been training her entire life to be the best at her sport only to be unfairly matched up against a biological male. seems unjustified. My main point is this guys inability to admit the fact that males have an undeniable physical advantage to females in almost all facets. and he knows this but dies on this hill anyway for what I would assume is for the acceptance of his peers. Do you get it? and your motivations disregard logical reasoning.

[@dgray3771]

@@JonPawesome Sympathizing with someone does not mean you accept their ludicrous ideas. You don't believe a guy that is seriously overweight going to MacDonalds every day destroying his body will ever make it to the Olympics on the swimming team do you? At least not while doing that to his body. So neither should a transwoman who alters their body be competing against women. A person who is trans has a disability. People need to stop making it sound differently. Just not to hurt feelings. I understand that they have it difficult and they need support. But to throw that out of the window and pretend they are just normal is not normal. They already want to be seen as "just women" when they are not. And also competing in sports with other women, that is pretending to be something you are not. Take a trans of their meds for a week and see the result. Catering to them is probably the worst you can do, and it does not make anyone feel better. Another great-great risk is that a woman might die or get permanent damage from competing with a trans woman. Be it in martial arts or contact sports.

[@jacktaylor7406]

@@clockworkmarley2575 solid point, apparently biological women rights/equality getting tossed out the window when it comes to transgendered "rights"

[@markruby3916]

@@JonPawesome you can’t justify anything besides they have a mental disorder… no different than someone being anorexic or bulimic. Just a question, do we tell people that are anorexic or bulimic who have a body dysmorphic issue that they should just keep on chasing the body that their mind tells them they need?? Oh, no we don’t… We actually treat it Like the mental disorder it is!! But you know SahBabii wanting to chop off their dick and destroy their body that’s just so brave Because idiots told you to believe it, and it seems there are idiots that believe it

[@AdderTude]

"Well, yeah, a broken orbital bone could be a problem." My dude, Tamikka Brents was forced to retire because of it. She could've had a great fighting career but it was cut short due to a man beating her up so bad in that fight.

[@litrogue6328]

Maybe she should have trained harder??? Plus, she's a transphobe, so who cares?????

[@jonathanbrintnall7131]

@@litrogue6328 cant tell if this is a bait, but I'll bite. Bs reasoning, pull head out of rear and realize physical difference. If bait, ha, good one

[@Sentinel82]

@@litrogue6328 you don't even believe your own words 🤣🤣🤣

[@ckoritko]

@@litrogue6328 Name one woman that can compete against professional biological males. And “who cares?” Anyone with a mother, wife, daughter or sister should care. Seeing someone with the potential to not only compete in a professional sport, but possibly excel and have a promising career cut short by a single event in and of itself should be sobering, much less by some selfish fool (who can’t even come to terms with their own self) taking advantage of a social movement allowing them to compete against those so much less physically capable. Please, don’t procreate or vote.

[@fernandogimenez7520]

Wifebeaters now can wear a wig and being paid for hitting Females

[@cupcake_whale]

This boy singlehandedly turned me into a feminist for the evening. His whole argument for men to compete in women's sports is "it's not a big enough problem to me. Not enough women have been hurt yet for things to change". He couldn't understand the simple idea that letting a man compete in a women's sport would hurt literally every woman he competes against because him taking just one spot alters the entire ranking for that entire sport.

[@viktorgabriel2554]

100% true the other 99 women competing in that competition just got negatively effected

[@GoodFellasMiniBikez-GFMB]

💯 very true

[@dannyhale7645]

Exactly.

[@darkbum1510]

Maybe call yourself an Egalitarian then, instead of a Feminist. Because I see the problem you described all the time, when these sorts of decisions come up.

[@alt-centristintellectualfe3621]

They forced Allanna Jones to fight biological male Fallon Fox in MMA. They threathened to do it becaus she would be transphobic otherwise. She eneded with the skull smashed. I have no idea how she survived that, looking as if she had been in a car crash.

[@hallclmall1251]

Basically, he is saying that it’s ok to sacrifice women as long as the amount is small. The number isn’t large enough for him to change his mind just to fit the ideology he agreed to. Although I appreciate his willingness to have a civil conversation and not cry when he started to contradict everything he said, he still was just hellbent on being right! Let his mother, sister, daughter cry to him about some boy that considers himself to be a girl compete against her and make her feel uncomfortable and see what his opinion is then.

[@mjkim0709]

and he should try to ask them if they're comfortable sharing the same locker with a biological male lol

[@craigweaver5671]

and it's not even just a one to one issue when you consider the trickle down repercussions of women's sports records and averages over time.

[@jme92685]

Despite how respectful Isaac was, it makes my blood boil that this country has gotten to this point that we even have to talk about this.

[@georgejosephk7783]

He's really respectful

[@chillergyinc982]

@@georgejosephk7783 Respectful, but harmfully naive. his skewed compassion is leading to a lot of harm, him and all those with his mindset

[@ninojosephdelarosa8063]

and the funnier part is that they are talking about this stuff in a UNIVERSITY, a place of higher education is being attained. Some of this kids are agreeing on getting buried getting in debt to pursue higher education and yet here we are. and to think that average joes will give this kids bail outs for their debt is like rubbing salt to a wound.

[@georgejosephk7783]

@@chillergyinc982 true but some people value compassion and how other feels more than the facts and the problems will be caused by these. Hopefully he will understand it in future. But I very much understand his compassion

[@herpallday1284]

Isaac is just some paisa tryna get some white girl poo nanny. It’s Normal.

[@B33nj4m1n]

The fact that we already need a video where Steven asks people to define "women" shows how quickly society is spiraling out of control 😔

[@dalair]

I look forward to the fall of Rome

[@robertphillips9014]

@@dalair fall or Rome huh can't spell it but you cant wait cool yeah we're fucked.

[@CoolPapaJMagik]

These are the fruits of our “you do you” approach to society. Moral standards have always been a thing and always will be and it’s obvious our standards cannot coexist with theirs. Being tolerant of evil is dangerous, especially in times like these

[@ubuynow]

You can't define "woman" but you can identify as a "woman". What are you exactly identifying with? The unidentifiable?

[@dalair]

@@robertphillips9014 >I like to start arguements and drama over youtube over a spelling mistake. That's you that's what you sound like

[@rtwatkins79]

I appreciate that he was civil and willing to try and justify his view. The amount of mental gymnastics he went through, however, to try and validate his viewpoint is astounding

[@djsnowfalke8675]

Yeah dang so hard to defend that men have different bodies than womens

[@ryannel3899]

He will be red pilled. He's smart and open minded. Just been brain watched

[@carlosvsiguejugando3102]

@@ryannel3899 What is the difference between been redpilled and brain washed?

[@lindakeays2864]

Because his position is nonsensical.

[@autumninabq3081]

Lol😂 no kidding! Mental gymnastics is exhausting!

[@jaewaitwhat4412]

Obviously the contentious videos are fun but really this discussion is to me the best in the series. I saved it for last because I gathered from your comments that it was the most reasonable discussion and I wasn't disappointed. He seemed to be hearing your points, trying to actually justify his own and admitted when he didn't know something as a fact and even seemed open to the facts you brought. It was actually a discussion. Nicely done.

[@TheUnconventionalMan]

The fact that this actually needs to be debated, means we are in a scary time of human history. We are moving backwards instead of forward.

[@nategordon8127]

Not backwards sideways backwards had it right men are men women are women we are going somewhere way off the beaten path.

[@stevenlindhorst7579]

@@nategordon8127 exactly we actually need to go backwards

[@itzkiblo]

Go back i want to be MONKE

[@DCLCRayP]

They are so progressive that they somehow became regressive.

[@AHamp123]

@@DCLCRayP we are living in the movie Idiocracy

[@andrean9413]

Isaac called the swimmer “he” several times. I actually lost count of how often he called him a he. Steven did a better job of using the preferred pronoun than Isaac. Great show.

[@kjemradio]

Really Steven could have showed him the playback of his own words. But even then would Isaac have cared?

[@raymondvilleneuve5752]

Are we surprised?

[@xSnowboardStarzx]

To be fair, I’m pretty sure when he used “he” Issac was talking about the times when Lia Thomas competed as a man.

[@mxewris2355]

Issac seemed to just sensibly apply the rule of "I'm trying to call her by her chosen way of being addressed, if I fail in this long and complicated discussion so be it, I had no bad intentions". Being out here counting pronouns like some mega Lib, holding it under his nose like he has sinned doesnt help anybody. He didn't strike me as if he'd cry if you "play back" his so so horrible own words back to him

[@johnwendell1578]

So did Crowder.... but they both referred to Lia as a he when competing as a he

[@GrunfHD]

When I discussed this topic with a non-binary friend of mine, their main concern was that if trans people weren't included in the appropriate sports sex/gender division, the hurt feelings and emotional trauma of the trans athletes is more important than biological females feelings. I cannot understand how someone can disregard the 99% of the majority of a group of people to pander to a fringe minority who could actively harm them

[@revoltncock]

Because they only identify those feelings for those people. They never cared about anyone else and only what their priorities are. Your friend would walk over your burning body to help a trans person with a bad day of being triggered.

[@Will777JP]

Same reason we just went through the mask mandates. Even though the majority of people would be fine, specially the children they still had to wear a mask that was not effective because it made the older population feel better about themselves. Instead of them changing what they could control to get the best chance of survival they made everyone else suffer. I know its not just older people or all of them. Mostt of the discussions I have had have been with older people and they gave no care if a 5 year old had to wear a mask just so they can extend their lives another decade if lucky.

[@spangas5799]

99.9%

[@mgshock]

@@revoltncock Too much narcissism and sociopathy in "modern" society, thanks largely to social media.

[@FM-dm8xj]

becuase they are snow flakes.

[@Skotty1899]

May 5, 2023 A high school volleyball player in North Carolina, who suffered a concussion when she was spiked in the face by a transgender athlete, has emerged as a leading spokeswoman for female athletes, who would like to prevent biological males from competing in women’s sports.

[@Goodie7]

The fact that this is a conversation that even needs to happen is astounding.

[@bryceandcarter6139]

That’s exactly what I thoguht when listening to this video, I know it seems crazy but I think conversations like this are proof of the fall of the American empire, we don’t think or conversation rationally anymore. It’s pretty wild to me

[@Goodie7]

@@bryceandcarter6139 it’s wild I’m all for having an open mind but this is so basic it’s absurd that people actually refuse to see that it’s just wrong for biological men to beat up on women. I don’t care if you identify as a field mouse it’s not a even playing field.

[@reizayin]

@@bryceandcarter6139 anymore? You think people were ever rational?

[@hullie7529]

@@Goodie7 Why is it wrong? You're not rationalizing your thoughts either. I don't think a guy beating a woman in sports is inherently more wrong than a fast guy beating another slower guy in a race. That's the nature of it all: competition. And not everyone is born with the same genetics or aptitudes, so don't try to argue with the "even playing field" fallacy.

[@kenstirling5348]

I feel the same. I can’t believe this is even controversial

[@joshsprewell440]

I wrestled in NCAA Division II. My coach’s wife was the Olympic bronze medalist in wrestling. She would come in to our college practices and wrestle with the guys her size on our team. She would get her ass whooped on a regular basis, by middling Div. II college wrestler. There are just biological differences, there’s no way around this basic fact.

[@killking033]

At least you’re coach didn’t force you to have Bathtub showers with him and his wife to boost you’re career lol

[@xXxzombieBCxXx]

That's fucking awesome tho

[@law7116]

Fun fact from my life. There was a girl that wanted to play football in high school. We took it easy on her for like a week before we were done holding back. She was 6ft plus and big bodied but still could not hang and quit before the season started.

[@Subparfat]

Woman fought for rights for a reason were all equal should have battered that girl

[@theogknight2292]

im glad she at least tried. but there is a reason why we separate mens and womens sports.

[@Grizzlox]

@York Hunt The Science!

[@nGUNNARp]

@@theogknight2292 there isn't actually a separation in american football (assuming that's what he's talking about) in most places, so if you're a girl and you wanna play, you gotta play with the boys...no reason other than there just aren't enough girls who want to play to fill a team, but even at the pro level, if you're a girl and you wanna go to the nfl, you can, but you playing with the boys

[@jegr3398]

I had a girl who played on my football team and wrestling team, she even beat a guy in a wrestling match. That was in Jr. High though.

[@GarethDaviesArt]

Hes a Legend, love his open mind and willingness to try and understand whats going on at the moment.

[@jtarantula3390]

I agree

[@Asubatsu]

"Just because I don't understand something doesn't mean I should dismiss it." Okay. But on that same vein, you shouldn't inherently support something you don't fully understand. This person exists in a constant state of only being able to look at one side of a coin.

[@DC-nw3uc]

No they live in a constant state of codependency. They cannot think for themselves. They believe only what they are told to believe. But they at least have the self awareness to know that they don't understand what they believe. Their authority figures haven't told them to look at or consider the other side of the coin. That's why they don't.

[@HeIterSkelter]

Ooo that's a good one, I didn't even think of it that way.

[@tharv9661]

It is the win for progressive institutions to hear their illogical untenable teachings spoken by (not debated) their students.

[@benholzer1649]

See that's where I disagree I think you are wrong he has the ability to look at two sides of a coin he has just CHOSEN that his "progressive cultural character"is more important than the truth. I think that is the only point the kid was making all along. Only thing consistent at least... Hope he watches this back and treats the comments

[@thefucrew9865]

Please never let this guy ever work with explosives....

[@kanelius3733]

Being open to people mutilating themselves and dressing up as the opposite sex is one thing, but denying that biological sex has any meaning all together is just freaking insane.

[@goodolearkygal5746]

When we started labeling mental illness as normal but different we opened the door for this.... call it what it is. A mental illness

[@BettyWhite2171]

The problem with not caring if a man dresses as a woman is they keep moving the goal post. Now a man can simply put on lipstick or a dress, and walk into women's bathrooms and showers. We have men identifying as women being placed in women's prisons. There's a case in California where a serial rapist decided he was a woman and was put in a women's facility. Shocker, he graped his cell mate. Shocker, she got in trouble for reporting it because their jail is "Inclusive". We also have men dressed as women at women's abuse centers. Women just want a safe place with other women who went through abuse. They can't even do that because there are men in dresses trying to counsel them. Slippery slope is an understatement. Did you know that p3dophiles are now saying that calling them p3dos is not OK? They even have a new name. They call themselves M.A.P.S. ... Minor Attracted Peoples. Lies never win nor lead to anything positive. I call a duck a duck. I'm not playing pretend to placate these sickos.

[@jakehahn3114]

Both are disturbing.

[@jakehahn3114]

@@BettyWhite2171 yup. It’s the classic “ask for one , take a hundred “

[@geekbro6265]

Men dressing as women was a joke and the ultimate form of humiliation, society has totally lost their minds

[@dailybikingcommute1132]

As a father of two teenage girls, I am appalled at the disregard for reality, I am so sad for my daughters.

[@electroevolution5777]

What's really driving me crazy is the fact that I have an attachment to the idea of having a daughter as a man and really pouring my heart out with true genuine feelings as a leading role in the important position of father in such a relationship. To a point I admire, get inspired, and truly appreciate those who become the best possible versions of themselves when they have all the odds stacked against them. When it comes to women, they do in-fact come with odds stacked against them as displayed in this highly debated topic. Generally speaking, with scientific facts as backup, women are at a physical disadvantage which is an undebatable negative aspect with the womanhood of humanity. With that being said, the idea that is most beautiful to me is seeing my daughter rise against all the possible odds life has to offer while maintaining dignity, honesty, integrity, and modesty. But what I observed over the last 6 years a has put a distaste in my mouth as society is painting womanhood like its some costume you can wear. Certain communities are behaving as if womanhood is some kind of lifestyle you can throw on like a perfectly knitted cardigan. Regardless of opinion, discrediting is never an option, especially not discrediting womanhood in the manner certain communities have been. While we can all agree that men have the general advantage, but we must also all acknowledge the fact that without women by our sides, whether it be for emotional support, picking berries in the olden days, or washing clothes and cooking dinner in the modern days, we would not be as evolved or supported as we are today. In conclusion, considering any child at this point in time is difficult as having a boy would also lead to the future issue of the modern day feminist which is all about people who hold radically sexist views against men. Being a parent is already difficult before being an actual parent.

[@marcef100]

Stop being a feminist mangina, ... you are the LEFT!

[@karenaugust8250]

As a mother of a daughter who at one time played co-ed soccer, the physical advantage males have is so clear, even before puberty hormones kick in.

[@YakDPOY]

@@karenaugust8250 ughhh, you werent aware of this till you watched your daughter in soccer? With no credentials, i can confirm

[@markruby3916]

@@karenaugust8250 such as the womens USA soccer team is the best in the world, and got shit stomped by a 14 and under team from Texas… this is pure lunacy and only happens because people don’t have the balls to stand up

[@kirkyham3490]

I knew that I had to come here right after Imane Khelif popped open Angela Carini in the '24 Olympics. Steven's right y'all

[@bradjames8905]

The solution to this problem is simple: Have a Biological Women's category in Sport and an Open Category. Sport is not a right, it is a privilege. Having physical attributes in sport, that everyone else in the field cannot achieve physically, is in itself, an advantage. Women who spend most of their young life, training to achieve greatness in their respective sports are being disenfranchised by these arbitrary, and unfair rules. Women are losing top roster spots, scholarships, and are being branded trans-phobic for speaking out. It is not about being trans-phobic, it's about fairness.

[@johncam8420]

Yea, but women vote for this stuff all the time and are the most vocal about it, so I really dont care. Everywhere men stand to loose, they have lost in the past decade over this topic, so I do not understand why cant we let women take the L, especially when all the athletes have come out in agreement to take the L and they all agree with transgender women participating. Women need to be held accountable, and they are not by men, but by transgenders. So thanks to transgender folk.

[@morale493]

thanks Bradley

[@chrisshore5340]

Agreed. Have an "open" league and a "protected" league or perhaps even several types of "protected" leagues.

[@dcas1]

@@johncam8420 the most vocal are violent men in frocks

[@dcas1]

An open category is the only solution, and even THAT would be either mostly or purely men.

[@brunoserra2484]

It's sad to see how many female athletes are scared to speak up when their life's work is ruined and stolen.

[@hmrhuang]

Some are indeed speaking up. But is anyone listening? More importantly, does anyone care enough to do anything about it...

[@brunoserra2484]

@@hmrhuang Well they seem to do so, FINA just banned trans swimmers from elite women's races !

[@martinfairweather700]

I don’t believe their career is over. Once this generation grows up, the runner up will be presented with gold. Brian Jacks was my judo instructor, women wanted to join the adult classes. It didn’t last long. They were rag dolls and complained. Enough said.

[@jonathanjacobs7063]

Frfr but they dug this hole themselves

[@bigomar777]

all because of fear and conformity. conformity should be the 8th cardinal sin

[@lilitincher4973]

I had this discussion with my 5 foot, 80 lb. daughter. She believes biological males claiming to be transgender should be allowed to compete against females. I then asked how she would feel about competing with his 6' 2", 275 lb. baby brother, by four years, if he affirmed he believed he was no longer a male, but a female. She did not respond, she simply walked away staring at her phone. Just like an adult would do right? By the way she is 32 and my son is 28. Yes, this conversation is absolutely ABSURD, not just illogical and unscientific. Reason no longer exists, truth has become irrelevant.

[@idmt93]

Your 32 year old daughter is 80lbs...?

[@devilsadvocate6098]

She's probably looking online for TikTok vids that will "disprove" your argument.

[@DL-vt2pj]

This conversation is not absurd, you are just not fully informed on the topic. Most people are not fully informed on the topic because it is so new. The standards are still being explored, there simply is not enough information out there about the difference between trans woman (taking hormone treatments) and biological women. I do not think we are going to see the disparity that you are claiming with a 6' 2" 275 lbs trans woman competing against a 5' 80lbs woman as more information is gathered and new standards are set. As time moves on and more information is available the standards are going to shift to include rigorous testing of hormone levels, bone density, etc. to ensure that competition is fair and equitable for all involved.

[@iDysania]

@@idmt93 Maybe she meant 180? Idk lol

[@madezra64]

@@DL-vt2pj I mean we actually are pretty well informed. We already know scientifically that males development differently than females. We also know, even with HRT, that male biological development STILL happens even if you do HRT because you cannot change your biology. Your body WILL still produce testosterone. You can mitigate it, but it's still going to happen. There are many studies going back that prove without a doubt that medication alone RARELY supresses / reduces testosterone levels to female range. And considering testosterone is produced heavily in men during puberty and into there 30's, it's pretty clear that medication is NOT enough for the majority of trans women. In all the studies I found, only 1/4 at most would get their testosterone in feminine range, while the remaining had virtually no effect on testosterone production. Also, while I do agree you won't be seeing an 80lb woman vs a 275lb trans-woman, that doesn't negate hormone levels, bone density, muscle density that still varies even when matching weight class. The reality is we have understood human biology for a long time now. Men have a physiological advantage when it comes to body size.

[@saltyholic3046]

Isaac is lovely. Misled, but lovely. I appreciate his willingness to debate in a respectful way.. with a kind demeanor and nice smile.

[@astang1072]

“I feel like, a lot of people sort of use biology, as, like, a constant….” Solid argument, kid.

[@muppet-fan]

that was my favorite line.

[@Tommy1977777]

That's the weed likely doing his talking.

[@berserkortcomics1176]

The only constant in this kids life is bong rips

[@BettyWhite2171]

I wish Steven would've said ummm biology IS a constant. Try changing XY to XX. Good luck.

[@guidedmeditation2396]

Cosplay is fine but not when it becomes a mental illness and you forget what reality is. There is a problem.

[@joe90h34]

Imagine it’s 1990 and you go forward in time to see a university student using all his brain power over the question ‘how many genders are there’ and then saying ‘I don’t know’. How far back as a society are these nut jobs taking us

[@voiceofreason1829]

Lol this is funny

[@jimmietwotime]

It’s so crazy haha, thinking so hard about the answer to something that is SO obvious and simple. The answer is two, there are TWO genders…

[@asandax6]

1990 is too far 2012 is also too far.

[@supermadducky6287]

Reminded me of the movie idiocracy

[@neuuser7071]

This was already starting then, but then Internet wasn’t spreading it at rapid speed.

[@cpwilliam2987]

Crowder, I am a doctor and spent thousands of hours, worked with over 10,000 people, in labs testing performance. You're 100% correct! The numbers you gave out ontennis, strength, etc.. All true!!!I could list off hundreds more as well. I subscribed, my wife and I watch and are happy to see our conservative fees alive and well. Thanks!

[@datsumcrzysht]

Imagine the difficulties that we’ll face with diagnosis and treatment when “gender” replaces sex. This is going to make normative values almost obsolete along with increased malpractice suits.

[@Sunsets330]

You're not an MD.

[@datsumcrzysht]

@@Sunsets330 How do you know which degree he happens to hold? More importantly what exactly was your point?

[@keepadventuring]

At least we’ll be able to tell our children or show them by our birth certificates that “here’s what it used to (should) be”

[@Poofter]

@@datsumcrzysht What kind of MD types like that?

[@oscarr9761]

I feel really sorry for him. He said that all of this stuff is relatively new and that he's still learning it and that's the problem. It seems like a lot of people just skip straight to the "learn it" part and forget to even question it first. Since it's being taught, it's treated with the same validity as maths or any other subject.

[@jtarantula3390]

But that’s what he feels, how does that affect you? He was respectful and open and willing to participate in a conversation.

[@laurasomebody]

35:10 "I'm OK with it, bc at least I tried to protect the rights of everyone playing sports." 🤡 No, sweetie, you didn't. You put the right of men who pretend to be women over the safety and rights of all women in any sport. As a former pro athlete who had to compete against males before female divisions were created in aggro skating, I'm deeply disturbed by the willful ignorance of people who only care about "not offending" some absurd minority. It's like living your life to not offend the Klan... would that make any sense?

[@DEATH14269]

I'm glad you told these fools the truth. ❤️

[@Erik-ow8lq]

I am not in favor of putting a glass ceiling over females for the sake of "morally right". I agree with you.

[@datmanydocris]

I believe there was a certain book that said something about "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." "Fairness" for a small minority should not come at the expense of fairness for the majority.

[@chowchow2386]

As a male/man, thank you for also calling these people out. Men can not become women and women can't become men. They are just pretending.

[@sarahalderman3126]

Very well said!

[@DrStrangelove_]

Even after the last 5 years I still can't believe this is a conversation

[@toothgrinder2760]

You and me both and the delusion is worse than ever.

[@tobija.a]

@@toothgrinder2760 yep

[@baaamakingbaaaa]

Years ago I came up with an idea to fix this. We change the word male to "gottapenis" and female to "dontgottapenis".

[@superx9619]

Welcome to the land of libtard.

[@conservativehippie9736]

I was thinking 2 lol

[@mezrre4630]

Imagine being so afraid of social media acceptance that you'll convince yourself that up is down and 2+2=5.

[@ReasonablySkeptic]

Those women that guy (trans-woman) BEAT, spent thousands of hours training their bodies to win at those sports. *THEN THEY SAID NOTHING WHEN A MAN BEAT THEM!* This is why the wage gape exist! Because women are on average SO DOCILE that they wont say anything *WHEN A MAN TAKES AWAY WHAT THEY'VE WORKED FOR ALL THEIR LIFE!*

[@AdderTude]

People should be more like Thomas Stockmann from Ibsen's "An Enemy of the People" (English adaptation by Arthur Miller). Dr. Stockmann stood by the truth even as the entire town turned against him because of political correctness.

[@Cykyn]

Ummmm 2+2=22 😉

[@egobrain6826]

@@ReasonablySkeptic The wage gap is because of choices. Please research.

[@JackTheRabbitMusic]

They teach up is down and 2+2=5 at the University.

[@DoggosAndJiuJitsu]

As a competitive jiu jitsu player, I will absolutely tell you that men out-compete women by nearly two belts when size and age are the same. If you actually care about women then you cannot support men in women’s sports.

[@Madchimpz]

In conclusion: It's not fair for the extremely small fraction of a percentage of biological males, so we should make it completely unfair for 99% of actual women in women's sports. And let's just take a "wait and see" approach to see if it really is a problem, even if it means destroying everything the women worked towards during this time, which has already been happening.

[@panchovilla1770]

🎯🎯🎯

[@marisa1010]

and even if people come to their senses when it gets completely out of control in 5 years, there isn't a way to go back and undo the harm done to women during those 5 years.

[@levihinsen1917]

Define actual women genuis. Sports were never based on biological sex, never will be. Sports are separated by gender not sex. By your logic trans men "biological females" who have taken testosterone therapy for years effecting their muscle and bone density, HAVE to compete agaisnt other women. HOW Tf is that fair at all? In your "perfect" world trans men would absolutely dominate women Sports and quote "destroy everything that women worked towards" 🤡

[@marisa1010]

@@levihinsen1917 a woman is an adult female. A female has 2 X chromosomes and typically can produce eggs or bear offspring.

[@cindiexoxoxo3773]

I wish Steven would have asked this dude if he has a sister Assuming he said yes, Steven should have said- ok let's assume your sister is a champion boxer or wrestler. Then he should have stood up and asked- if I shaved my beard and got breast implants, would you feel ok about me getting in the ring with your sister? Bam!

[@Weissguys6]

Steven is the best at untangling the mess of liberal indoctrination. For females everywhere, we thank you for taking “this one” on for us.

[@raijuko]

Us good men are trying to speak up and protect all of you in sports right now, do us men a favor and tell your female friends to start giving good guys a chance and stop being so materialistic and superficial when it comes to dating?

[@alejandrocanela691]

Yes but women need to stand united and speak up!

[@4zap7]

@@raijuko tell me you’re a Reddit mod without telling me you’re a Reddit mod.

[@monkmane2345]

@@raijuko 🤣 Sam Hyde videos are 👉 that way

[@bertkilborne6464]

I'd like to se a future 'Change My Mind' episode of *:* If you aren't supportive of a globalist government / techno social credit agenda - Then you shouldn't be 'Woke' Because that is the direction of the movement, whether someone realizes it or not

[@LIamaMcFudd]

Many years ago I was having a friendly debate with some liberal friends of mine, regarding wider issues of gender identity etc. When I raised the potential implication this might have on competitive sport, I was poo-poo'd - "no one is suggesting that biological men and women should ever compete together" they'd tell me... Several years on, here we are...

[@jacobstrutner8232]

That was ALWAYS THE END GOAL.

[@kristoffer8609]

@@jacobstrutner8232 The real end goal is to replace all white men with women or minorities. This is just a mid-point for them.

[@Blanktarn]

@@kristoffer8609 no lol liberals just use race to push further agenda, they use race issues to create havoc so they can dismantle the American system. Notice how capitalism is always brought up when talking about said issues.

[@martind.5257]

Two things that come to mind here: 1. "Oh none has the intention of building a wall." (Famous quote by a German politician before the country was divided). 2. "It will never come to mandatory vaccinations."

[@Trapping_ackbar7]

They probably still hold the same position, know many liberal family members and friends who think the sports are a step too far. The people who support this are usually far leftists, disconnected from reality and spend too much time on twitter.

[@BlackDuk]

@StevenCrowder, how have you not came to Minneapolis to do one of these yet !?? Im tryng to pack it up and head south myself but still there is so much good you could do here.

[@formdoggie5]

Imagine saying you take a "harm reduction position" and then having a position that harms literally half the population.

[@SL-be7zh]

Tried to say it’s even when it’s not even close, the only time it would be even is if that person competes in one competition and stops. Otherwise every women than beaten across their career (academic and professional) is a victim and so the harm is much higher.

[@j5892000]

Probably anti women

[@sarogers7]

Exactly! How does he not see that?

[@FlowUrbanFlow]

The fact that he can acknowledge that's there's harm, but then only worries about harm to trans

[@Dan.Hibiki]

It harms literally anyone who isn't trans so 99.9% of people competing

[@Chris-iy3gn]

It is truly embarrassing to humanity to see this is even debatable or an issue. We are living in the last days. God bless Steven

[@uwaviator]

Isaac is in a very dangerous spot. He's about to have a mental breakthrough because he's inherently a rational, thoughtful person but he's still got to get through college and it's a snake pit for anyone not woke, especially to declare that publicly. Isaac, keep your head screwed on and stay kind, you'll get there!

[@CarlosXPhone]

This is exactly why I dropped out of college in 2014 (somewhere there), because when a professor attacks your intelligence, that's your first sign that things are about to get worse. That's your cue to bounce, especially when the faculty backs the professor. I did complain about the professor. 😒 I kicked it up to the top dean. Nothing worked. I dropped out.

[@rationalcynic8416]

Honestly, I'm in college. As long as your major isn't something like gender studies, philosophy, or anything in the arts, then there shouldn't be much of an issue.

[@crimson35124]

@@rationalcynic8416 when i was in college a few years ago it was a woke hell, but maybe that’s because i’m in california. since i’m not white, it was easy to pass since you just basically had to write “blah blah blah i’m an oppressed minority blah blah blah” and get an A from woke white professors, but it was a disgrace of an education

[@rationalcynic8416]

@@crimson35124Oh yeah that would do it. I go to college in a liberal city but in a red state. I'm also a business major and most of my professors are men that I strongly suspect are libertarians. The female business professors aren't too liberal either. It's when I had to take Gen Ed's with professors and classmates from other fields where I had an issue with the wokeness levels.But I enjoy pissing them off and going against the grain as a woman that is not a leftist.

[@Nathan_Jay]

@@rationalcynic8416 they get you in gen eds. That's why I left UW

[@gentlemanmagician1221]

"My word vs your word. I don't want to look at anything." 😂 Wtf

[@AwakeNotWokeBruh]

The world really needed this. “Change my mind” was a pillar of growth for this channel so it’s good to see it come back!

[@timothystewart9547]

There's a reason Crowder has to debate unprepared college students. In any other debate he would get blown out.

[@Salty_Dog1]

@@timothystewart9547 is he wrong?

[@busygiraffe7003]

@@timothystewart9547 Well who should he need to debate with that is prepared? What facts would be presented? I’d like to know! Crowder definitely has a constructive argument.

[@timothystewart9547]

@@busygiraffe7003 why doesn't he start with Sam Seder

[@dingus6317]

@@timothystewart9547 Are you prepared?

[@romaneros4583]

Almost painful to watch these young people realize feelings and facts dont always meet.

[@williamreynolds3487]

Saying this isn’t a problem right now and that we should wait to take action is like having the “check engine” light come on in your car and waiting until the car breaks down to have it fixed.

[@Shannon_Moore]

Well..technically check engine lights don't always mean something is wrong (if u drive an old car, u know what I mean) lol..we need a more impactful analogy

[@williamreynolds3487]

@@Shannon_Moore so you would ignore it? How do you know if it really is nothing? Unless you’ve already had it checked and it was simply faulty electronics. Then, at that point, you haven’t ignored it, have you.

[@Excaliber1776]

@@williamreynolds3487 he’s just saying it’s not the most stable metaphor

[@lyndonbauer1703]

@@Shannon_Moore check engine lights do mean something is wrong. It's called a MIL for a reason. The severity of what's wrong does vary but the light is a signal for malfunction. OP's analogy is spot on. Sincerely, a mechanic.

[@MrRheo29]

@@Shannon_Moore Just wait till you get the mechanics bill.

[@FellowOfHammer]

It’s amazing how quick these people shift from defending their position logically, as soon as they get in argumentative trouble, they then completely focus on not being wrong, simply, for the sake of not being wrong.

[@timhanna4700]

I love biological women. I’m married to one and I’ve raised two of them. Any man who “thinks or feels” he’s a woman needs mental health treatment.

[@mystdragon8530]

Biological is redundant.

[@amp2193]

Quit talking like them then. Just call em women. They are changing the way you speak...

[@enoughisenough1384]

Tim, exactly! Steven needs to actually say this! It's a mental disorder and nothing else 🤷‍♂️ we should not be saying "you do you if it's what you're comfortable with it" we should be sending them to a mental institution and try to help these lost souls

[@stp479]

And women's trophies, all of them.

[@Xemplifi]

@@mystdragon8530 ditto

[@makattak88]

Imagine being less than average, finding a loophole to compete against a lesser opponent then thinking you're a champion because you won.

[@kaydee4296]

Affirmative Action for failed male athletes.

[@____________838]

Feels like we’re on the edge of the Harrison Bergeron universe…

[@Santa-ld9kt]

They just made smurf accounts

[@Melissa_Badhorse]

We don't have to imagine. Welcome to this awful reality

[@itskeagan3004]

If I want to beat a woman’s ass I’ll just be one for a day HAHA WTF

[@kyleSTI]

The constant thing I am gathering from these people are “we don’t want to hurt their feelings. So let them play” which brings us back to, “facts don’t care about feelings”

[@zxyatiywariii8]

True, and ironically the feelings of one person outweigh the feelings of all the other people who now can't win in that unfair competition.

[@brandonramey4114]

Tom MacDonald said it best

[@rahn45]

"Losing hurts people's feelings, so don't give anyone a trophy or give everyone a trophy."

[@CherubCow]

"The constant thing ... “we don’t want to hurt their feelings. So let them play”" Exactly. They have not thought in simple game theory or simple strategy terms about this (i.e., the best way to win with feelings removed). He said it himself that he doesn't feel that people will abuse this loophole, but, in simple strategy, if there is a favorable method of winning that is supported by the rules, that allowed method will incentivize people to adapt, creating a new paradigm. People without conscience do indeed exist and will indeed take the "cheap" route with no thought of embarrassment or wrongdoing, and these current rules do indeed incentivize this immoral route to victory. In other words, people will transition not because they feel it as a mental necessity but because it allows them an express route to fame, sponsorship, social support, and wealth. Colleges and donors will fund scholarships to attract more trans-athletes than actually exist to appear more "diverse" while actually incentivizing people to transition so that those people can pay for higher education. For immoral countries on the Olympic stage, they will absolutely incentivize or force the transitions of their athletes in order to win gold medals for their country. This is the foot-in-door for the removal of women from their sports, all on a banner of the short-sighted pseudo-empathy of virtue-signalling.

[@Kimboscrub]

What about the feelings of literally all the women they cream in sports and take away their accomplishments, goals, scholarships, etc…. WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS???!!!! They’re entirely silent as we all watch the end of women’s sports!!! 🤬🤬🤬

[@102087soad]

At 7:10ish the guest just said “the record HE set” I thought we were talking about a female?

[@mitchelldelaney5872]

Isaac tried to be reasonable, He just can't reasonably defend his position. Men beating the hell out of women in MMA bc they "identify" as a female is just fkn nuts!!

[@WendsH]

I think Steven missed a grand opportunity to point out that Trans men don't HAVE to compete against biological women because they're biological women. There is no designated men's league. When dealing with professional sports, the 'men's' league is an open league. It's simply that women cannot physically compete at the professional level.

[@jamesu1540]

@@WendsH there should be a Male, Female and a Trans league. This would make everyone happy

[@majesticnative9693]

Soon they gonna be beating women up in the streets and men can't help because it's two women.

[@naps4all]

@@jamesu1540 It would make the most sense, and protect women's physical safety (and potential opportunities). Let's wait and see how many years it takes before a general consensus is reached. I'm not going to hold my breath.

[@jamesu1540]

@@naps4all i agree with you, i do not understand why feminists disagree and support female sports being destroyed

[@asraiSOA]

Props to him for the conversation, but I've seen it a million times. His 'stance' is what you get when you're told you NEED to support something that has nothing tangible to carry it. They're nothing but 'feel good' arguments based on the 'virtue' of being empathetic.

[@crystalh450]

This is very consistent with the leftist thought process. I got into a disagreement on another channel about universal child care. In this case, you have men choosing to be transgendered and wanting women to accommodate them based on their choice. Similarly, on child care, you have people who have chosen to become parents wanting everyone else to accommodate them based on a choice they made. It is all well and good to be sympathetic toward single moms, etc... If you only look at that side of things (as with the transgender person's desire to feel included) then of course you will come to that conclusion. The problem is they aren't thinking about all of the people who will have to pay for that and be negatively affected, or things like pedophiles becoming government child care workers on the cheap. In this case, it is women getting seriously injured by trying to play a sport against what is essentially still a man, no matter what they choose to identify as. They can't see the bigger picture at all or see how it harms anyone but their chosen identity politics group and the sad part is that it does more harm than good and actually isn't virtuous at all. They are just taking away the consequences of someone's choices at the expense of others having to subsidize someone else's decisions.

[@varietywiarrior]

There is no empathy being displayed, tho. If they were empathetic, they'd think about the women who are actively being harmed by selfish men with psychosis.

[@egobrain6826]

@@crystalh450 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@egobrain6826]

@@varietywiarrior exactly

[@asraiSOA]

@@varietywiarrior Women are fair game now. The SJW, identity checkbox, woke-cult are all about catering to the .02% so they can feel good about their virtue signal frame around their social media avatar.

[@mh8795]

As reasonable as he seems, he conceded on so many points that he should've just had the decency to admit that he's wrong.

[@neuuser7071]

The guy is just too dumb to realize he’s wrong. A lot of comments praising his demeanor when it’s obvious he’s just brain dead.

[@clairebordeaux]

Agreed. But he won’t because his position is based on virtue signaling instead of truth.

[@sigmacademy]

Most of the interview was spent on repeating the same talking point and reaching no consensus, even when it was something as simple as trying to keep people safe. At no point in the interview was there any ACTUAL agreement about any point - almost every answer was an evasion or non-answer. If anything, the discussion would have benefitted more from a third sports league option, or staying in the same leagues, but expanding the categories. It ended up being 50 minutes of someone being unable to agree on how to keep people safe.

[@chadm2343]

@@sigmacademy Yeah that's what happens in every change my mind, nothing new.

[@sociald100]

He may go home and think on it for some time and realize he was. and then again he might just get the wrong stuff reinforced in the closed atmosphere of campuses.

[@doviejames]

There's a lot more to sports than winning. Only the rare few win and become champions, especially at the elite levels. Serious athletics is about a lot more than winning, it''s about pushing yourself, it's about overcoming doubt, learning discipline and expanding what you once thought were your limits. It's about developing mind and body awareness and capacity to the highest level that you can and the unique joy that comes out of such intense focus. And then, and only then, does it become about trying to best your opponents.

[@justinspence3290]

He's freshly indoctrinated since he's on campus, but he is a smart kid and I have hope for him. Give him time. I really think Crowder got through to him on some level. This was a good discussion. Keep up the good work.

[@smashmusique]

He makes me think of Charlie Kirk, similar manners and facial structure

[@ogierthedane6025]

I have hopes for this kid, he just needs some time to reflect on this conversation :)

[@Bopperann]

Colleges are lost. Not a place to grow but rather to shrink the brain. A rainbow safe space sticker on every office door, letting you know it's not a safe space for thought crime.

[@cynicalcindy1434]

This guy cant even string sentences together without 20 “ummm”, “like”, “sooo”… those are called filler words. He is not smart. He is regurgitating snippets of phrases that are heavily parroted. Its what happens when you’re brain is stalling and trying to formulate an answer. Intelligent people have brains that work quickly and tend not to use all the worthless, mind numbing filler words.

[@cman101892]

Right he hasn’t thought it out fully because he’s being guilted by “experts” to accept an illogical position. This is most kids coming out of high school the smart and the dumb. All turned to mush by movies and tv and electronics and social media their eye is so far off the ball that they are more or less removed from the real world and these kinds of ideas sound just right enough to be pulled over their eyes bc they just want everyone to be chill man.

[@theworldlegacy2585]

Dude could not defend his point to save his live, but I respect how calm and mature he was thru it all

[@lithium1770]

same its like me in a debate i suck at them

[@IcyHell77mNRW]

@@lithium1770 also, there IS no point to defend. Well, apart from the "i feel, in my mind, like i see it" kind of 'argument'.

[@HotdogStephen]

Yeah he didn't really know anything, he's simply guilty of having the opinion that he feels makes him an understanding and nice person, unfortunately in real life you don't have to agree or accept everything! If someone told me they identified as a toaster I'd tell them to get a grip! This kid with Steven is simply virtue signaling here

[@RanMouri82]

@@HotdogStephen Thank you! The biggest lie peddled by leftists is that logical debate like Crowder does is harmful and should be stopped, and worse, that anyone who holds an opposing viewpoint is harmful for simply existing. So we now have folks like this student who embrace these illogical ideologies most likely because it seems like the nice thing to do.

[@FarmerFpv]

@@lithium1770 It's hard to debate something you don't truly believe in. He wanted social justice points.

[@redbloodedamerican2743]

First dude was very respectful and didn’t just wait to speak, he actually listened. Clearly he is still wildly incorrect but he sat down as an adult and made a legitimate effort to argue his point respectfully and intelligently as he was capable of

[@GoySlopBurritoBar]

He will be a red pilled wise man in some time, just let the digestion happen. It’s the only possible outcome for a smart guy like him

[@crabjoe]

It's not a 1 to 1 trade off. If a man takes gold in a women's sport, the woman that would have gotten the gold, would drop to silver, the silver to bronze and the bronze drops out. So 1 man identifying as a woman is displacing 3 people, not just one.

[@chrisb4131]

Appreciate this guy sitting down with Crowder, but his whole argument was "Destroy women's sports to protect the trans athletes feelings". Not only is this unconvincing, the precedent would be the end of our society.

[@JM-qn3tf]

He’s an absolute goober. Eff these clowns

[@RainbowLayer92]

The beginning of any society is the precedent to the end

[@IIIIIlllllIIIIlll]

Let’s step away from the dramatization. It wouldn’t be the end of our society. A stupid move? Yes. Bad for competition and fairness in sports? Yes. End of society? No.

[@mrj3217]

This is the last phase before a complete cultural divide explosion in America. Soon we all will pick our groups and violently kill each other off for resources. Government is a scam We all know this.

[@sk0205xx]

I agree he at least sat down and talked unlike radical trans activists throwing milkshakes 🤣

[@suzannenichols6900]

One more thing: people in college these days make me feel so bad for EVER having gone to college. They have downgraded the value of a college education every time I hear one of them speak.

[@suzannenichols6900]

Seriously at 37:58 I almost wanted to just give up on humanity. I mean l really never thought that in my entire life I would hear a college student having a GENUINE STRUGGLE, over deciding how many genders there were.

[@MajuGen]

Might help you to think of it this way: You got a college education, they're getting college indoctrination.

[@smtbigelow]

Public schools and universities have become nothing more than indoctrination centers for the radical progressives/marxist movement.

[@davidmidgley9039]

I think like this boy like has like no like idea like what he is like talking about , I think he might be like brain like washed like

[@bytedrsbabe6229]

Downgraded the value and raised the price for receiving nothing. Isn't this a scam at this point. Aren't there laws against spending money and getting nothing in return?

[@stevestraining7291]

This kid seems so bright, polite, kind, well educated.. this makes me believe that once he is out of the toxic college environment and can actually expand his horizons, he will straighten his thinking out a bit. Cheers to him!

[@antiquecardboard]

Bright, polite, kind yes. Not well educated. Even you say so in your comment: "Toxic college environment". And that is the problem. Wish our kids had better education (i.e. were better taught how to think).

[@jckanza8121]

He's trying to get girls or has a crazy girlfriend he knows exactly what he is says in nuts but is afraid to speak up and say it just got out of school not long ago and these kids are all over

[@TrumpUpTheVolume99]

Yes, he seems very intelligent, but you can tell some professor has him very confused.

[@marymoore3625]

YES! Thank you.

[@Rikcey]

@@antiquecardboard Nah, people who think are dangerous. Better to have them not think, but have the knowledge. Not how to gather or use that knowledge, just hand it to them in a book. And never have them ask questions that are outside of the scope of said books. Booksmart is controllable, streetsmart isn't.

[@davidaschwanden2094]

Ya gotta give Isaac credit for perseverance, trying to defend an untenable position. I think even he realized that around halfway through the conversation. I also think that when he went home after that discussion he may very well have done a lot of thinking about what Steven taught him with the statistics and other data. He may not change his stance on the subject, but I do feel that he's probably going over that position again in his head. I definitely appreciate how courteous he was. That's often rare in discussing many of these sorts of topics with someone on the left who disagrees with you. So it's quite refreshing to see. He's obviously an intelligent young man, and I think he's just sticking to what he's been taught repeatedly, most likely throughout the majority of his schooling. It's so odd that society is trying to shift into this mindset where it's okay to upset a large number of people in efforts to avoid upsetting a small number of people, because we don't want anyone to be upset. (And perhaps "upset" isn't the best choice of words but I think you know what I mean. Maybe "treated unfairly" would be better?). It's almost as if whoever complains first is for some reason deemed to be right. Case in point: There's a small lake in southern California that was built many decades ago (1960's I think?). It was built for the sole purpose of dragboat racing and has been a hugely popular place ever since. It not only provides a wonderful venue for thousands of racers and race fans, but it also generates a huge amount of revenue for the local economy in the way of patronage at all of the local businesses. Everything from hotels to grocery stores, gas stations, convenience stores, restaurants, etc. Anyhow, so someone decided to build a house on the hill above the lake and then started complaining about the noise. They are battling tooth and nail to try and stop them from shutting down the races. Which, by the way, there are only six of per year. So it's okay to upset/be incredibly unfair to thousands upon thousands of people, because this new person is upset? Maybe not the best comparison but I'm sure you can see the similarities. It makes an awful lot of us think "Why on earth did they ever entertain this nonsense in the first place?" sort of thing. It wasn't that long ago that society would have told the person at the lake "Oh boo hoo. Stfu. You're the one who bought a house next to a race track." But in 2023, for some incredibly bizarre reason, one or at least a very very small percentage of people's feelings trump the feelings of the overwhelming majority. Regardless of how incredibly unfair it is to the majority. I would question how well society is going to continue to function if we continue trying to modify the world every time someone gets their feelings hurt or doesn't get their way. It's like we're living in an episode of the twilight zone. Sigh. Anyhow, thanks for listening to my ramblings if you're still reading this and have a blessed day y'all. Stay safe out there.

[@alexanderblackburn4520]

I think the kid is using circular logic, but I appreciate how he is still listening and being civil. That is ultimately what you can ask for in this situation.

[@vegetashairline3060]

Agree. I am fine with people being wrong, and am even fine with people being wrong and standing their ground in the face of oberwhelming truth. But so long as they are respectful, and dont attack the person whos oppinions they disagree with, or start yelling like a child, they have my respect.

[@TheNikoeas]

Kudos to this young man for staying true to the concept of this series. I wish this occurred the majority of the time nowadays.

[@suzannenichols6900]

No I think ultimately people need to start using their brains the way we used to and when logic and FACTS apply, then people need to accept REALITY. At least that's how Life used to work. And that's how reality STILL works.

[@mtb416]

Eh, I used to feel that way, but screw them regardless. Stupidity is stupidity and cannot be tolerated when it infringes on others’ rights and/or safety. He’s better than other leftists, sure, but you don’t get “half credit” for kindly thinking a woman can have a penis.

[@thuff86]

No. Coming to an agreement with these jackasses leads to them ultimately winning. Its the snowball effect. We're an emotional species by nature, and thats all they're about. Conservatives will lose in the end, unless we FORCE a Change. And soon. Period. Talking does jack shit, clearly.

[@MPerfect92]

Such a smart kid. It’s a shame he feels the need to clutch onto those ideals that he’s been misguided to believe. I GUARANTEE that kid will grow up to be a conservative someday. He has logic.

[@randominternetguy3537]

He's been brainwashed. He'll overcome it eventually.

[@dustinnoll486]

Anyone with logic is a right wing extremist today

[@dakistle]

Total mouth breather. He will be a trans woman next semester.

[@peppyhydra4544]

There's an old saying by a French academic I love. "If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart; and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain". Modern generations are so feminised, and their "hearts" (or empathy, to speak psychologically) have been co-opted to such an extent that attitudes and ways of thinking like this exist. Tolerance is now seen as a virtue. In reality, tolerating evil is weakness; it is no virtue. Letting evil persist is done by lack of choice to quell it; the strong do not tolerate evil in society.

[@user-rs4ci3fn2d]

@@peppyhydra4544 I’ve heard that phrase atribuiré to so many people. But not all have to be dumb at an early age.

[@veehill6899]

As a biological woman, I don't understand why I have to grouped with a social movement. Be trans... but that doesn't make you a woman. There needs to be a separation. No matter how many hormones I take I'll NEVER be as strong as a biological MAN.

[@lel9460]

Frfr some rare wifey Material here

[@Chad-bc9vi]

Yeah, it's really silly

[@beanybabyrabie]

Yep. Redefined and silenced by men, again. Even when it comes to opportunities and physical safety and protection from being exposed to male genitalia. Feminism has been completely hijacked

[@MetaKnight964]

Some men are weak, particularly nerds.

[@SEXgoddess.]

As simple as this