Do Turbo Cars REALLY Need an Upgraded Intercooler? (F30 BMW Performance Mods)

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In today's video, we're going to answer a question that we get all the time.. Do I REALLY need an upgraded intercooler in my turbo car? The answer? Absolutely.
By adding an intercooler to your car, you'll be able to see gains of 15-20 horsepower on a completely stock car and gains of 25+ on a modified car! How's it do it? Because of the increased surface area, the intercooler is able to decrease your temperatures by 40 degrees. As we all know, Colder Air = More Oxygen = More Power Potential :)
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[@GaryDownes]

Loving the looks of your videos Brian. You've come a long way since the very first one I watched over two years ago and you've helped me make many decisions on modding my F30 335i :-)

[@Stock.B58]

You completely sold this bro ! Amazing job

[@CharlieBoy360]

Nice handle

[@mikaelslabiak9626]

Wow great news. I’m heading for the dealer at this moment to upgrade my stock intercooler to a Wagner Evo II intercooler and performance downpipe. Then heading for the bench to make it roar and make hp :) Btw really really great youtube videos you do 👍👍👍 thanks. Mikael from Denmark

[@ottomobili2575]

loving the additional B-Roll now! good vid bryan definitley looking into one of these

[@hervedelorme6768]

your explanations are crystal clear !

[@jasmee93calzada80]

Great video. Keep them coming.

[@ericb.4358]

Yes, larger intercoolers cool the intake air better BUT they also create more drop in intercooler pressure unless new and MORE efficient tubing is used for faster "hot side" intake is used. And naturally better pipes on the "cold side" is better as well.

[@GodKing804]

It's like .05 more lag big deal

[@joerichardson6107]

BUT more hp...

[@TfromDaygo]

Just get charge and boost pipe upgrades too while your at it ftp works great for me

[@ponyboymotorsports-5759]

This was a much needed video, as I am in the fence with buying one

[@chrisbecker3629]

Raymie Santy get one!

[@dirtym3zy]

Great informative video!

[@anthonyfadel6943]

Who needs an upgraded intercooler for colder air temperature when you live in Canada where the temperature is always hella cold 😅

[@KiesMotorsports]

Lol

[@ACURACALABAR11]

Nahh. It's hot in the summer😂

[@chymist66]

Hey I can notice what feels like a significant power difference stock tuning and stock intercooler when the temperature drops in the winter. So in the summer no doubt it hugely pays off.

[@armnloaded8746]

this what im thinkin bout rn hahaha

[@joemurillo1224]

Here in Québec,summertime is hella hot bro we do need it

[@jeremybeegle9767]

Love your vids very helpful

[@somewhereoverit711]

Lower temps overall on a BMW can lead to longer engine life

[@calvinator22]

These videos are so insanely helpful

[@KiesMotorsports]

Great!

[@supbrobanjoban]

What’s better VSF, Wagner, or Evolution Racewerks intercooler? Was leaning towards VSF. Are HP gains and reliability about the same across the 3?

[@ericb.4358]

Yeah, I'm asking the SAME question about my 2019 MAZDA CX 5 2.5 L. turbo . The only really good "drop-in" intercooler and pipe kit is from CORK SPORT. Spendy but excellent quality - EXCEPT the Cork Sport intercooler is PPWDER COATED black. That's proven to actually reduce the intercooler's heat exchange efficiency. And Cork Sport won't sell me an intercooler without the black powder coat! So do I buy it and then try to remove the coating?

[@Kaptain.Obvious]

Just ordered mine and CP. KMS I’ll be installing soon.

[@Scotford_Maconochie]

Can you just upgrade the charge pipe, boost pipes, intercooler and a cold air intake without any other tune and have power gains?

[@CatGuy969]

So if you already have an intercooler, an aem one will upgrade by 25 hp? And how much would the hp increase if you have a turbo but no intercooler at all?

[@Kenny-vs4pr]

Would you see similar gains on an N18 MINI? Only asking because they're owned by BMW

[@keelanmorrish5250]

I’ve got a BMW F34, would that intercooler fit my car? Always wearying if I get the wrong parts

[@danked6731]

This was top notch.

[@joem7023]

I went with wagner tuning for my n54 intercooler.

[@111tombomb]

Just got my F30 335i and am trying to tell if it has an upgraded one or not. It appears to have a bigger one than stock and an extra cooler in front of the intercooler. Can’t tell if that’s stock or not.

[@kishonfrancis3841]

I have a BMW F30 from Japan with a B48 Engine. I was looking to move to a bootmod3 stage 2, but I noticed my car got no factory intercooler. How can I can diy kit for this car?

[@tng6628]

That new hair style added 50+ hps. J/K Brian, it is looking good and love the video as always. Cheers!

[@KiesMotorsports]

Weight reduction 😜

[@thedrivebygg]

Very interesting, tempted for my bmw 125d, might treat it when it gets to 100k miles

[@typejlb]

Can to much water in a front mount intercooler flood the engine? Like a long cold air intake.

[@cyberpunk9672]

Hi there could you please help me where to find an intercooler for bmw 320i xdrive 2017 model

[@althafazh304]

Any suggestions on upgrading the oil cooler ?

[@Kingnabor]

How’s this compare to the ER FMIC?

[@marsalkindi4172]

Love the video.

[@paynelcasey]

I assume this works and benefits the 320i?

[@TheHoodiman]

Impact on turbo lag on a stock car?

[@BH-tf5zz]

Quick question BMW 330d or BMW 330i either will be remapped struggling to find any real answers

[@pvtolentino]

Is there a CSF intercooler upgrade for a 2018 1.5T civic?

[@jensennlow5397]

After tune , stock to performance intercooler , performance intercooler will turbo lag?

[@albinemushi3975]

i live in switzerland and i want one of these.. what can i do?

[@illiyammm9252]

Bro you deserve your subscribers you're doing some great s***

[@boybetterknow1983]

will this give a stock n20 328i 25 horse power?

[@kfeems]

any update on the f30 headlights?

[@aaronsamadi133]

Can I install this intercooler to my bmw 428i gran coupe?

[@AlmostLastJedi]

What if I put one on after the car is tuned? I already have a stage 1 remap on my 430d.

[@FrenchValleyAirport]

is there anything for the f31 328d?

[@taxiwardance7242]

is there something like this for e60 535?

[@ericksonbyrd6681]

Does this fit on the 340i with the B58 engine?

[@petec8736]

Does the same gains apply for the diesel engines??

[@ledmk2]

Nice video

[@adamrockey]

Hey! You should do a video on Coding an F30 to always fold in the mirrors when you lock the car!

[@yi-hsuehlin9783]

Does all f30 use the same intercooler? Mine is B47

[@HerbertKruger-eg6mn]

Do any of the bolt ons require a tune.

[@2026820]

I need a intercooler for my b46 anyone got a link for it can't seem to find one for the b46/b48

[@Muslim_Adam]

Does it fit the 220i b48 engine?

[@yuerencpa]

Does it work with F34 328xi?

[@suhaylali2917]

Would this be good for a 330 D

[@Mooney-kt3bs]

What's the song playing in the background?

[@premium2554]

Android Auto for f series bmw (NBT id6) plzzz... And also controllable with steering wheel's voice button.

[@CookiesUnleashed]

Its straight forward to install no need for a vid. But other youtubers such as bmwdiyguy has covered it

[@FernandWolf]

do you have a video on a F82?

[@josuesanchez2742]

What if you have a turbskieee chevy cruze any gaines 🧐

[@scottbraganza]

Will this fit an F34?

[@LoneStarStinger]

I’m in tx where it’s hot af most of the time. I think I need one.

[@MissJeannie09]

Does anyone know why my check engine light came on after installing an intercool

[@fistofdragony3213]

How does csf intercooler keep up against wagner intercoolers? Also do they create a bigger hp increase in petrol rather than diesel cars?

[@PETRAKOV1]

Biger intercooler will not give u more HP. Will help u only to keep this HP wich U alredy have longer when u stres the engine. Exaple is a summer time on the hight way.

[@lorsamadey2435]

And what about bigger turbolag with bigger intercooler ?

[@chrisbecker3629]

Trying to talk car guys into car mods is like trying to tell bros why you need this super hot model that’s also super smart......I know I need it, just keep telling me I need it until I can afford it, and her.

[@scoss2]

25 BHP gain on a mapped car. That’s awesome!

[@sonicplayroompiano4302]

As in an already tuned car?

[@beavis6011]

celcious or Fahrenheit ? -> 40 degree means ?

[@Yooitskai]

Will it fit a 2017 bmw 320i? In search of a intercooler and only finding ones for like the 328 and stuff

[@chaos_insurgentt]

320i fully built will beat anything

[@MrWtovar]

I want one for my 640i GC any recommendations? And does this upgrade alter emissions? I live in cali🙄

[@KiesMotorsports]

It doesn’t altar emissions! We have some options for your car! Reach out to our team at [e-mail] and our guys will be happy to help out!

[@TechF30]

I may want to get rid of the plastic chargepipe too.... everyone on the forums are saying to as well hahah

[@EldridgeCortes]

Waste no time cause it sucks when it cracks. There's really no time frame on when it will go lol

[@pardeep3355]

Smart choice haha mine blew out of nowhere

[@chrisbecker3629]

CalvinF30 replacing the charge pipe is like doing the preventive breakage on the one we all know has a limited life. Great call

[@CartubeCoIl]

I would not say you gain power, it's more about not loose power under heavy loads.

[@James_Edward59]

You can say that about anything though, that’s like saying adding an intake an exhaust system doesn’t add horsepower, it just allows you to get the horsepower that’s already there from your motor because technically as long are you aren’t changing internals, you can say that for everything.

[@chrisjfox8715]

​@@James_Edward59not really. The worse of an intercooler you have, the more drastically your available horsepower dissipates over the course of a drive cycle. A better intercooler gives your available horsepower more longevity (i.e., more similiar throttle response at each pull because they're more effective at keeping your IAT to a minimum). An upgraded exhaust on the other hand, for instance, can relieve a significant enough amount of backpressure such that the added horsepower it offers is fairly constant throughout the drive. It's not like the diameter of the exhaust pipe changes...whereas heat soak variability (which is what intercoolers fight) is quite real.

[@skotsephrenia1]

about turbo lag Brian?

[@vladmoshkovich708]

Does it fit with no cuts? Just to take the old one out and put the new? No need to remove the bumper? No plastic cutting? Thanks

[@chrisjfox8715]

You definitely have to remove the bumper and the crash bar. But once you're underneath there then it's just swapping it out

[@eaperformance4321]

Hi Brian, do I need to tune the car at the dyno after the Inter cooler upgrade?

[@kylesmith9048]

I’m not Brian but I have 4 years of experience modding my E90 335i and F22 M235i. You do not need to tune the car after upgrading your intercooler (assuming you’re only upgrading the intercooler). The DME will automatically adjust. All you have to do is install the intercooler. Make 100% sure every connection is sealed. Check the intercooler to charge pipe connections (both the hot and cold side). If your cold side charge pipe is 2 pieces, double check they’re still properly connected and there’s no leak, as well as where the charge pipe connects to the throttle body. Double check your hot side charge pipe (boost pipe) to turbo connection. Lastly, I would double check there are no leaks in the intake. You don’t HAVE to do all these leak checks, but I definitely would since you’re already in there and have it taken apart. It also gives peace of mind knowing they’re not leaking. If you REALLY want to check for boost leaks you could do a smoke test. TLDR: You do not have to tune after the install.

[@kianzandi123]

I have an F82 M4 and I've been told that an intercooler wont make much difference on my car. Do you think even an M4 will see large hp gains with an upgraded intercooler?

[@Bl1ndskater6]

m4's don't need an upgraded intercooler, go with intakes and you'll see a good 30 or so hp :)

[@cartere9981]

M4s use water to air intake cooling not air to air like f30s

[@moodmabah6784]

Dude I’d like 2 install this in my Bmw hw 2 get contact with u?

[@KiesMotorsports]

[e-mail] 👍🏼

[@brandonh.6654]

You are the bmw version of those American racing dudes for the mustangs lol

[@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow]

How much hp will it add for a n26 328i?

[@youayang7108]

10-15hp

[@stuartmarshall9949]

Hi. Would that fit an F31 330D Msport 258BHP model ??

[@ytacc2978]

Will this exact intercooler work on my stock 2017 330i

[@Flamer7465]

I have a 2015 335i and I originally ran the BM3 stage 1 tune and had about 360 hp, but then upgraded the FMIC, Charge pipe, and got catted Downpipes all from evolution racewerks, and then got the stage 2 tune, but I'm still getting 360 hp and I feel no power increase and I don't know what's wrong.

[@KiesMotorsports]

Did you dyno or use the gauge in the car? The gauge isn't accurate if that's what was used

[@Flamer7465]

@@KiesMotorsports I used the gauge in the car, I will definitely visit dyno within the next few weeks and I'll let you know what it reads. Thank you for the suggestion!

[@youayang7108]

Go catless= more power

[@rogerwang0523]

any turbo lagging problem after?

[@IZE_FILMS]

What’s the difference between the vrsf and the csf intercooler? They’re both on your website. Thanks

[@KiesMotorsports]

The CSF is higher quality 👍🏼

[@IZE_FILMS]

@@KiesMotorsports Thanks for replying.

[@Maarioo007]

Any Update about the display key?

[@KiesMotorsports]

Still waiting on an update ☹️

[@EvoroPictures]

Question here, I’ve just got a 2014 335i, it has the M performance package that supposedly comes with +35hp over the normal 35is. I’m looking at upgrading parts but i don’t know if the performance package comes with stuff that’s better than the upgrades I’m looking at. It came with the M performance exhaust and a high flow cat( so those mods are sealed). Would an aftermarket intercooler really be better than one i have? I can’t find all the specs that performance pack comes with so i have no clue what to upgrade and what to leave and tune.

[@colin5676]

Damn dude this is literally my exact situation, no idea if my m performance intake and exhaust is better or worse than available aftermarket parts. Like how much better than OEM is it, and are the aftermarket parts only marginally better or substantially better? So hard to find the answers here.

[@goobsgaming4547]

Did y’all ever find an answer cuz I’m in the same boat

[@dutchy91vanvoorst10]

Change them. I’m 90% they’re standard and the same as would be on a 2L engine

[@N55Koby]

@@colin5676 upgrade the charge pipe and the down pipe keep the exhaust, keep the intake

[@N55Koby]

also upgrade the intercooler

[@marsalkindi4172]

So my radiator cracked and since it cracked, I thought I might as well upgrade my radiator to (CSF Aluminum Radiator) and upgrade the intercooler too. Radiator upgrade video would be phenomenal.

[@IZE_FILMS]

does the color matter? i am asking because i really love the black one. i'm planning on getting my car blacked out all the way.

[@brettknibbs9351]

black has been proven to be more efficient

[@Weaselspleen75]

Black intercoolers are less effective than bare ones. It’s thermodynamics. Any paint will impede the ability shed its heat. That’s why they’re always silver from factory across all brands.

[@chrisjfox8715]

​@@Weaselspleen75i agree with this but fact is, there's quite a few brands that insist on black intercoolers for some reason. I get the appeal of the aesthetic but give people the option I say. That said, there's likely a performance difference between black paint and black anodized.

[@socko2424]

Needing to get myself an intercooler now. Running a stage 2 tune on my A3 and can definitely feel the heat soak and loss of power. Kinda sucks

[@dsmoke4654]

Same bro I literally just tuned my gli stage 2 have everything but an intercooler robs you of so much power I’m about to Order one lmao

[@jrslugwell]

So if I live in Michigan do I need a intercooler ?

[@elephantwalkersmith1533]

The high temperature is from the compressor or boost, so you will always get a higher density, lower temperature intake with an intercooler.

[@zayzabster7159]

Will this fit a F10? If no. Does any companies sell for F10?

[@cartere9981]

Have you found one? Can never find mods for my f10 compared to how many there is for f30

[@chialor1945]

I love how a "C" clamp will show "no" leakage in air..lmao. no usage of couplers at all.

[@KiesMotorsports]

There is a rubber o ring that seals the air inside the chargepipe :) the C Clamp, just holds the charge pipe on

[@chialor1945]

@@KiesMotorsports Yes, I'm aware of that when I did mine 5 years ago lol. I just don't believe it's "air tight" is all I'm saying. I just thoughts it was interesting they also didn't use over lapping rubber couplers.

[@jonathancolling2284]

What about the extra pressure drop that you get with a larger cooler? They fit smaller intercoolers because they have a lower pressure drop, which means more boost reaches engine...

[@brettknibbs9351]

faster spool too

[@Berserkir79]

What about us BMW B48/58 bois with liquid chargecoolers? Is there an upgrade?

[@frankjia3079]

Berserkir 79 Yes you can buy a CSF heat exchanger. It will reduce IAT significantly.

[@CSFracing]

we have an upgraded heat exchanger coming to market in the next 2-3 weeks

[@RasoulMojtahedzadeh]

Does bigger intercooler increase the turbo lag?

[@beavis6011]

i did that for my n20 f30, it dose not increase turbo lag

[@jamesrose298]

So I hear from some that it adds horsepower and some that it doesn’t what is the truth??

[@chrisjfox8715]

I think it comes down to how you look at it. I personally agree with what someone else here said, that it moreso helps to maintain your horsepwer more consistently throughout your drive cycles. The longer and harder you push your car on any given drive cycle, the hotter everything gets - an intercooler helps keep the air as cool as possible despite the heat. The better it is at cooling the air, then the more enriched your air-fuel combustion is going to be towards the end of a drive almost just as much as it was towards the start of a drive. Upgrading isn't going to magically grant you more power from the start necessarily, it's just going to mitigate the fall off.

[@GrimJaw]

Kies will this cause a CEL

[@KiesMotorsports]

Hey Mike, no CEL with this!

[@sonicplayroompiano4302]

I have a cold air intake and down pipe on stage 2 tune. Thinking about getting an intercooler now. Would I need to do a retune?

[@bradwizlee6189]

What if i have a diesel

[@KiesMotorsports]

It should fit as well! Reach out to our guys at [e-mail] and we can get you more information 💪

[@8997456]

Hello Brian, do you take payments through paypal, im an international buyer.

[@KiesMotorsports]

Yes we do!

[@8997456]

@@KiesMotorsports good deal, i already placed my order yesterday, i hope i get it soon, thank you!

[@singh2702]

Your intercooler is only as good as the max velocity of charged air it can handle , at which point the air flow equals rpm speed and creates no more torque. Hence a better intercooler can handle more flow rate while still providing torque gains i.e more power.

[@chrisjfox8715]

So are you speaking of how well it's designed?

[@SirBradleyLawrence]

I should’ve got a csf, my vrsf is garbage.

[@djpeteyc]

Bradley Lawrence care to elaborate? I’m in the market

[@rayraycarter04]

Yeah care to elaborate, because I just installed mine...

[@swansmeister]

ofc it does, more turbo pressure, more exhaust gasses and fuel, more heat so need more cooling, it aint rocket science seriously.