Do we need Nation States? | Toni Lane Casserly | TEDxBerlinSalon

[@neelroy6]

Toni if I look at this today, and everything we had conversations about back in 2015 makes so much more sense. From our talks about coin telegraph to bringing solutions to countries with low/weak currencies. Your soul lives on forever. Sending good vibes and love.

[@JoeBetro]

Wow, ignore the negative comments Toni! It's just Allegory of the Cave in action. The wall's coming down and it's the ones who "Think Different" (love you too Steve!) that change the world. Bless your soul!

[@NOAHNOAH89]

Why is she talking like a character(villain?) from The Matrix?

[@robertputneydrake]

she speaks sincerely. thats it. it would have requited different words and body language to convincingly play a villain with that voice during her stay among the living.

[@domsau2]

No problem: her clothes are coherents with her voice! :-)

[@mrbill8763]

She is a villain.

[@robertputneydrake]

RIP Toni :(

[@MaedaYoppy]

Title of this video and the introduction is a strong statement, in the end its about bitcoin

[@ryanlynch290]

If you think it's that simple you should get more deeply into her work. We miss you, Toni.

[@PokeKirby50]

​@@ryanlynch290i feel no incentive to do so when she uses anti-capitalist rhetoric while shilling another libertarian capitalist fantasy

[@ryanlynch290]

@@PokeKirby50 Well, a couple things. She was young here. Probably about 26. And she's passed away since then, so there's no telling where she would stand now. But having been very close to her, she was someone whose positions evolved, and she certainly would have been open to a dialogue about those positions, and would adjust them accordingly when presented with information or analysis of said information she hadn't encountered before. Probably best to leave it be.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

There are the problems we want to solve, and there are the tools we think will help solve them. We're all a little biased by our choice of tools.

[@MrShriniketpatil]

Very true, I've independently arrived at a similar conclusion.

[@atheistcrusader1160]

This is the longest ad I've ever watched

[@bethelshiloh]

Goes to show all Ted talks are not good.

[@robertputneydrake]

And also all KZbin comments are not good.

[@usertogo]

'on the day of you eating from it - your eyes are bound to be opened to the awareness that in your judgment of good and bad you are the creator of your world...

[@GeorgWilde]

Let me introduce you to the subjective theory of value...

[@musiksmoothy6735]

Best TEDx I heard in a long time

[@nicholasrocha2414]

You do not understand how fictions ties people together. Without the enforcement of a commonality of values there is no united justification and geography the great factors tying people to each other. I had to watch this at 1.25 speed to even get though her monologue. It sounds like the prologue for authoritarian rule.

[@andreferrer9350]

Yes!

[@Arcaryon]

You overestimate the ability of nation-states. Narratives change all the time. I can make people fall in love with a dictator with enough manipulations. Because that what patriotism, for example, is. A manipulation. Nothing more and nothing less. A beautiful fairy tale for the masses who are to blind to realise that most borders only exist if they wish for their existence. I can speak in this language. Yet it is not native to me. But I have found like-minded people as well as enemies in all corners of the world. Tell me dear stranger - how certain are you that the nation state will stand the test of time?

[@vikram0000]

why does she talk like a witch! :D

[@LionDen]

Her speech is very intense. More than normal.

[@alespider9905]

what makes you think she isn't one?

[@HakWilliams]

chick is on crack.

[@ghulammurtazagmdahar]

Because she can be a witch :D May be

[@VoluntaryLiving]

Anyone know how she passed away at age 29? - I met her and interviewed her. She was a star and kind soul. Rest in Power, TLC.

[@bob_17]

Wow, robots have become much more beautiful and advanced, but they still have no souls.

[@haanpham4667]

Remove the no souls part and you get my like

[@GeorgWilde]

First time you have seen someone withe with confidence?

[@bob_17]

@@GeorgWilde You call that confidence? It's been two years since I've communicated on that video, but just watching a few seconds of it I see why I said that.

[@bob_17]

@@haanpham4667 sorry, too late to change my opinion.

[@ArtsAlign]

We should all come together to defend the nation-state, which the radical libertarian right that has been in control for the past 45 years would love to see dissolved... no Constitution, no human rights, no citizenship... just privately owned regions and charter cities. This is their end goal: "In a libertarian society, there is no commons or public space. There are property lines, not borders. When it comes to real property and physical movement across such real property, there are owners, guests, licensees, business invitees and trespassers - not legal and illegal immigrants.” ~ Jeff Deist, president of the Mises Institute The main reason they want to destroy our government institutions is because Congress shares the authority to create its own currency and the private banking industry hates that. If we reclaim the State, kick out the Wall St moneylenders and use fiscal policy responsibly again rather than be forced to rely on credit cards, we would thrive again as a healthy society. Stephanie Kelton's new book, The Deficit Myth, is a NYT bestseller for a reason. We're done with the thieving class.

[@ArtsAlign]

An award by UNESCO, who partnered with Bill Gates to push failed Common Core worldwide? What an honor.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Any system that expands too far, also inflicts its limits on people. And none of the systems today are so great that they should be made permanent through time and the advancement of tech. Plus, governments are grabbing at ever more power through technology (and their ability to tax people so much)... It'd be better for people's freedoms, if power was not so consolidated, and impossible to challenge. If the Founding Fathers had been alive today, and the US had still been under British rule, they'd have found that challenging the government was effectively impossible.

[@sehrgut42]

I'm an anarchist, but nothing makes me think we might need nation-states like a blockchain technocrat saying we don't need them.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

In general, almost no one ever manages to gain complete power (and no one should). And when you look at things that way, it's valuable for all kinds of people to have a voice and a chance to contribute to creating progress in their own ways. As for nation states... Their current form is more a post WW2 artifact. And where they frankly seem to be grabbing ever more power as countries become richer and easier to tax... There's really nothing to say that these primitive organizations should be part of an ideal path forward for humanity. Unfortunately, beliefs in governmental / cultural systems is a lot like religious belief and people are very biased towards making excuses for why their system might both be horrible, and yet also somehow be the best that we've ever discovered and not really worth changing... smh.

[@hansgruber1686]

It shows one thing. Too few western europeans have seen really bad times.

[@YD-uq5fi]

RIP Toni.

[@markusk9080]

But that's the good thing about a functioning democracy. You don't have to worry about participating in it and the country still continues to work. Do you really want to meet every week in some kind of "grassroot democarcy" entity and having to discuss who will run the electricity and who will do this and who will do that? This sounds very exhausting and unnecessary when you can have a state that just takes care of these kind of things. I know that opinion may sound boring and sentences that contain expressions like "dynamic processes" or "unique individual capabilities" certainly have a more appealing sound to them, but the nation state imo is by far the best political concept we have come up with so far.

[@ellinmara5997]

I absolutely agree. Some kind of government will always be needed. It can become less over time, and I think blockchain is a great opportunity for decentralizing a lot, but some centralized agency will always be needed. Also, some people genuinely don't care about politics and governance - that should be okay too.

[@adrianfanaca9169]

I think you don't understand what the state really does

[@WhoisTheOtherVindAzz]

There are way better alternatives with self-governed and thus adaptive levels of indirect representation. Look at sundry definitions of liquid democracy (LD). The number one problem of current systems is their inability to deal with feedback from citizens (Toni Lane captures this somewhat in the talk here by asking people how many times they have participated in democracy and comparing it with the number of decisions made). To repeat, we don't have a binary choice between direct and the kinds of rigid indirect representation currently implement by existing representative democracies (as so many are made to believe by throw away quotes, memes and status quo preserving personalities and media). We should be able to - and a LD would allow this - delegate voting power to our favorite grass root organizations, researchers, individuals we trust, etc.. A KZbin comment isn't the best place to present ideas (search Google Scholar, but also look into work done by Pia Mancini at around the same time as this video came out). Systems can be very VERY different from what we have ever seen. That so little can be seen through the current Overton window isn't exactly speaking in favor of current debilitating systems of governance.

[@gracemalowa1196]

I am creeped out.

[@HakWilliams]

is she punking us? Is this 2070 paradigm shift?

[@ghulammurtazagmdahar]

Sorry i couldn't continue

[@rockrl98]

And then happens, an electricity outage.

[@louiskikuya4124]

Wow, she talks more dramatically than that don** Trum@@ guy.

[@oneminutefixed5003]

JC so many wrongs in this video... I can't even start

[@GeorgWilde]

Thank you for not starting.

[@jeonhanpark95]

I think she talks slow bc she knows it makes her seem more attractive?

[@lloroshastar6347]

About time, someone telling it like it is.

[@scentless831]

Here's why we absolutely DO need nation states! /watch?v=uCYKMdAHmT4

[@haanpham4667]

thanks for the link. Even though I think nation concept is not human nature, it is good to hear what others think

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Well, it was more of an idealistic vision of the future. We're probably at least half a century if not several centuries away from nation states becoming truly meaningless.

[@kiaraditmasa]

We Do Not! I have nothing common with some 300 million Americans other than the borders that confine us together, most if my neighbors don’t even speak english and just walked over the Southern borders and now their American citizens just by proxy no common history nothing!

[@ArturoTabera]

O.K. But where does this lead us? As the system we're currently in was told to be the best there was at the time? Just like you tell us now.

[@Arcaryon]

It was. But to think that we reached the pinacle of human civilization in any way shape or form is ridiculous. We will reach so much greater heights.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

This is ultimately why we need disruption. And then when the new systems we build are no longer adequate to the needs of the times, they too will need disruption to enable progress that is held back by the shape of what was built before. The ideal solution depends on the reality you're experiencing, and the opportunities you have available... And as times change, the definition of best should always be changing also.

[@luisvasquez812]

Asmr politics : )

[@PhilipRhoadesP]

Wow! Another fantastic talk! Q: "Where have you been all my life?" A: "For half of it you weren't even born!". Seriously though, as an ex-Population Geneticist, I am convinced that the Sixth Mass Extinction is now unstoppable and we probably only have a couple of decades left as a species - but you have inspired me enough that I will have a closer look at BitNation . . thanks.

[@gilliqbal13]

When were the other 5 extinctions? Thanks in advance!

[@Zobo29]

I was looking forward for it but within 3 minutes I had to stop. Her talking style is creepy

[@haanpham4667]

She changed it after 5 min mark

[@robertputneydrake]

I don't think so.

[@robertputneydrake]

I need to stop, the look on your face is creepy.

[@nascar0509]

Wolf in sheeps clothing.

[@dekelogan7691]

how so? I'm interested in your answer. So many people are remembering her as a profound prophet.

[@williamhill1984]

@@dekelogan7691 not

[@kythrathesuntamer9715]

It doesn't make sense to me why people think she's incorrect. The state is losing relevancy rapidly.

[@sw.7519]

For the rich. The organized crime. The globists. For sure.

[@lefterismagkoutas4430]

Not really tbh

[@kythrathesuntamer9715]

@@lefterismagkoutas4430 The corporations of the world are obviously far more powerful than our governments

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

If everyone was super rich, and had little reason to harm others, there might be very little reason for the state to exist... And that may come to pass as things like solar (sustainable) energy, 3D printing, better recycling, and AI expand, so that we can all be more free and independent. But for now... We need regulation to keep the system healthy-ish. Crypto creates a path towards more transparent processes (maybe), but you'd still need often complex processes to help regulate society and manage harms. The main benefit of a big government is standardization of rules... Because left to ourselves, we'd all create different rules, and thus not really be able to get along and build more large scale systems. Just the differences in laws across countries make for lots of headaches that we might be better off without (in some ways).

[@kythrathesuntamer9715]

@@Leto2ndAtreides I mean that even though the government should be doing things it largely isn't doing those things and instead is serving rich people.

[@ricardopontes7177]

Borders will not prevent the internationalization of funds, work, apparel, information and people. So long borders

[@klansix]

RIP

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Definitely someone who should have a chance to be cloned in the future.

[@aramkhachatrian7361]

She's a true sophist. But, damn, she's pretty.

[@mattpfannabeckker1402]

watered down marxisim

[@kipenzisaidi4842]

WTF no she has alright looks comon bro

[@ShawnGordon]

The only reason she gets any speaking gigs at all is because she is moderately attractive in the blockchain space which is for some reason obsessed with trying to look like women are interested in the space.

[@Suthidaw]

I like your talk very much! Thank you!!

[@shownottell8804]

she looks hot.

[@kasper7203]

I believe in the concept and that this is inevitable.. But perhaps delivering it this way will prolong the process instead of expediting it. There is nothing wrong with appealing to the majority. Everyone will benefit from an alternative to the nation state, not just the minority groups such as LGBTQ or refugees. Given the current loss of support for certain implementations of block chain technology, it might also be a good idea not to appeal to people emotionally.. but just rationally.

[@nathanhale6874]

Tech Globalist, so sad!

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Most of our advancement has always been through learning to get along and trade globally. The US would never have been a very significant nation if not for all that international trade (and being the first great oil power). Our progress is because we build on each other's work, and because we can leverage the best talent from the world by being a culture that others want to be a part of. Unfortunately, both of our ruling parties have forgotten what enabled the US to become great, and both are trying to turn the country into a more backwards nation - just in differenr ways.

[@charlottefivez1598]

I deeply can’t stand the voice and attitude, but some concepts are worth to be shared

[@elmundodefer]

Not fair. I was looking for inspiration but fell in love. I would talk with her for centuries about the future. Or we could just be silent for that long as well.

[@siriusdigitalmedia]

She had to sit for months in order to figure out the obvious.

[@tszirmay]

I prefer Switzerland......

[@artregeous]

she can be an excellent psychic or palm reader mesmerizing rack

[@felisszerjin9073]

No, we don’t

[@jarrodyuki7081]

never nations will never compromise their identity or sovereignty.

[@andreferrer9350]

I hope so

[@ShawnGordon]

Who keeps paying this woman to talk? She has utterly no idea what she is talking about. She has never actually created anything.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Almost nothing is built by one person. She did start companies, and help other companies become more successful. And a single voice isn't supposed to end up determining the shape of the world anyway... With that in mind, her voice is not a bad voice to have had in the mix (while she was alive).

[@nawabpundit4072]

Such a serious topic? But presentation like XXX..Is it her own thoughts just an XXX actor presenting?

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Her own thoughts / ideals mostly.

[@louiskikuya4124]

By the way, she looks pretty hot! undeniable!

[@andreferrer9350]

Ok, you see in the summary who she advices, you know where this is going. Prepare, my friends

[@eduardotavares2595]

What drugs is she on?

[@robertputneydrake]

What drugs are you on?

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Idealism... Not a bad trait in the young.

[@AbdulAhad-xn4lw]

radical

[@an-nv]

the unstable idea, with more unattractive delivery!

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Even if you utterly erased all existing systems... Something stable would still emerge. Disruption is often good. It creates a chance for new and better systems to emerge... If not necessarily what any of the leaders would've imagined on their own.

[@lleighindiana]

This woman is crazy in every sense. Why was she allowed on Ted talks?

[@Corc-Duibhne]

So...if I'm getting this right, she wants to privatise the entire government? Can't see any problems there....

[@rogueyeti]

RIP

[@sorojali7825]

How did you know ?

[@danielhonig9876]

@@sorojali7825 Private facebook post from her father.

[@VoluntaryLiving]

@@danielhonig9876 Anyone know how she passed away at age 29? - I met her and interviewed her. She was a star and kind soul. Rest in Power, TLC.