Do You Even Switch? / Atomos Shogun 7 Switching Update & Review

Setup & testing of the video switching firmware update from Atomos for the Shogun 7. Plus a review of my experiences using the unit with HDMI converters.
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[@hollywoodgrump5164]

I think I blacked out for a moment... and there's a tiny stream of blood running from my left ear. Great, thorough job as always.

[@giosasso]

You lost me at "hello"

[@LoverOfTech]

Man I really wanted a video like this no joke. This is the exact video I needed to watch before pulling the trigger on these items for broadcasting and recording at church

[@NykelleStbrice]

The amount of work you put into making each video with the necessary research is absolutely amazing!!! Thank you for your brilliant work. P.S this video does not apply to me in the slightest but I really enjoy learning from your content. Keep up the great work!!!

[@pebmets]

Thank you for sharing your experience. I get so much out of the information provided. As I have previously said, I may not have the same equipment, but I am able to relate with what you are discussing with what I am working with which helps me make certain decisions. This is what sets you apart from other channels. When discussing something that may be brand specific, you have a way of allowing the viewer to gain information that can help them with whatever brand they work with. As you reach 100K subs by the weekend, you have not only built a quality channel, but also a strong quality community. Looking forward to new and interesting projects you have planned for the new year.

[@geraldundone]

Thanks as always, Phil. That's fantastic to hear. Exactly what I hoped for. Cheers!

[@ACDGibson]

I'm never going to set up anything like this but somehow I felt the need to watch the whole thing :p

[@milkham]

"I'm Gerald Undone and this is really expensive LEGO"

[@JamesClark1991]

Hahahahaha!

[@julienmamazza4217]

I like the outtakes! you should keep them in at the end like this more!

[@vincelicas2422]

This is why I subscribed. Your videos are so thorough and so informative. Keep up the amazing work and videos. Your fans and I truly appreciate it!

[@nickl224]

The blooper reel at the end really made it clear how much effort did you put into this video. Great job!

[@TylerKidd]

You're a wizard Gerald lol. I'd probably never run a set up like this, but it's really entertaining learning about all the techy stuff. You rock 🤘

[@HarryMugfordTV]

Congrats on hitting 100k subscribers, Gerald! (after you hit it VERY soon, as a result if this spot-on video!)

[@BCPaulVideoProd]

Just a thought on the converter issues. I've used many HDMI converters over the years and sometimes the issue is with how it handles 24p or 1080i. Everything used to have to comply with tape-based standards, so 24p would actually be 23.94 Over 29.97p on an DVCPro tape (Pulldown). Which would actually just double intermittent frames as it records to achieve a similar result without changing the tape speed. 1080i has multiple field dominances and can trip up converters as well. The more expensive converters with scalers like the Decimator can deal with that. My old school solution for streaming and switching has been just to switch everything over to 720p 60p which was the actual resolution of the TV broadcast station I worked at and happens to be compatible with almost everything. If you run across another handshake issue I'd consider playing with resolution and frame rate if possible. I really love the channel, thanks for entertaining me on my lunch break. ~Brian

[@bryanauer]

You lost me at “I don’t know exactly why I did this“ 😂 I have no idea what you’re talking about in this video but for some reason I enjoyed it immensely ...that is a sign of a true fan, my friend… Take note :-). Smashed the like too!

[@BespokeFotografie]

Love watching these very technical videos even though I wasn’t be getting the product featured. 👌🏻

[@martinrandez7021]

holly.... you are insanely good. I praise the quality of your work every time. Saying thank you is not enough...

[@shift5709]

I admire your all of your hard work , as a just starting out filmmaker myself I can’t tell you how excited and pleased I am when I discover there’s a Gerald Undone review of what I want to research. You’ve built a solid platform for yourself. So thank you for how you do what you do. Cheers, Ryan.

[@mack_solo]

11:29 "I think, there's something funky..." will be my new catch phrase for describing effed up mystery problems ;0D Used to have similar problems with equipment outputting 23.98p pretending to be 24p and the actual 24p only hardware - it was just... funky. (in fact that's when i learnt that NTSC 24p is a 23.976p and i lived in PAL country). Great to see outtakes segment at the end - brings you closer to us mere mortals transfixed by the thorough and informative content you churn out, hope you're gonna keep it as regular cherry on top. ;)

[@kurcensk]

Your videos keeps getting better and better :) Thanks!

[@trayneadjeifilms]

Amazing video! Really broke down how the live switching works on the shogun with all its quirks.

[@peterlemke3468]

Mr G thanks for the effort putting this one together. Half of the content is over my head but l'm learning. The more l learn about video the more l know the less l know. You and Wes Perry are peas from the same pod. You both like to push the tech as far as it can go and sometimes beyond. Enjoy the ice fishing!

[@purplepplmedia]

😂 Hilarious ending on the video Gerald! Lol. Lately we have been learning how to use the Atomos Sumo 19 with 2 C300 Mark 3's for interviews, and the recorded production cuts are great to an SSD. You're right, keep your audio out to a audio recorder like a Zoom 6, as it can be terrible right out of the monitor if not set up right. Thanks for the great education on multi-stream recording.

[@DAVEDigitalandVinylExpert]

Excellent. Exactly what I was looking for thank you.

[@olly5896]

Finishing with a Lebowski quote - Gerald has achieved god tier.

[@AllThingsFilm1]

Great video. Loved that you included your outtakes. Those are always fun. Thanks for the thorough review, too. Cheers.

Very cool man. Not so sure how a setup like this could benefit my workflow, however it's very nice to know that that possibility exists

[@HubertusKeil]

Awesome detailed video. Great Job Gerald!

[@jax1079]

This is a fantastic video about a semi complex topic. Super interesting and clearly explained. Well done!

[@TommyCallaway]

That's super interesting. Great work Gerald!

[@geraldundone]

Thanks, Tommy!

[@markbuckley1151]

All grown up with your new haircut! Great video once again, thankyou.

[@cameraconspiracies]

To take the intro to the next level of confusion, don't show the comment. Just own it :) Would be funnier too lol.

[@feryjory]

Cool video as always, most likely never gonna use set up like this but it's very useful to know, thanks mate

[@crisfehr]

Great work as always Gerald...making Canucks around the globe proud!

[@DenysSolovei]

Intro is cool! It’s very memorable

[@semurgid4082]

Great! Thank you! Set up is not easy. But it worth when after shooting 1.5 hour interview I can just load it on timeline make rapid check of sound and transitions and send to render. The same day!! Usually it takes three to five days to make such a project done.

[@cincystreaming]

Most Americans expect Canadians to say "about" weird, but I can't get over the way Gerald pronounces ATEM

[@Philly10185]

Shogun 7 has no 4k over HDMI. I have 3 4k cameras outputting over SDI, ran them into my Shogun 7 and it doesn't work. So this box ain't all its cracked up to be, better off buying a proper live switcher, to top it off, it gets VERY HOT, even with a single camera, it is quite slow in switching between playback and recording mode and although this guy claims theres an improvement on the user interface, i think it still sucks in comparison to some touch screen devices we are now accustomed to. One of my main reasons for buying this was so that I could record my audio from external mics directly into the Shogun 7. They claimed it had XLR but the input looked weird to me. It then turns out you have to buy a special cable from Atomos (who are the only ones that make it) which converts 2 real stereo XLR plugs and converts them into the Atomos port on the side which costs £120. You have to buy it because nobody else makes it and its only for that purpose. Why isn't that included in the box? Thats been done deliberately to squeeze a few more £££s out of people. This is an honest opinion from someone who's owned and used this for 3 months in a studio location setup. Don't blow your £1300 like I did, its not worth it. This box is worth like £400 if you ask me. If you want to use the SSD case that comes with it, make sure you use the high speed samsung evo drives(which are twice as expensive as the normal ones), I had to learn that the hard way, also this won't come with a sata 11 connection for that. Again I was a sucker thinking there was something about their special Atomos sata 11 connector to find out it is just a branded version of £10 product you can find on Amazon. Atomos are using the apple model to make money off people, sell you the skeleton product and overpriced accessories. Companies with this type of business practice will survive when they have products for the masses like Apple do, when your're selling niche products like this it appears they have a really short sighted business model as I won't be buying any of their products again. In 2 years time there will be some Chinese company making a product like this for £200.

[@IvanSinghIG]

Notification gang! Love Your content Gerald

[@TheContentShak]

Love it! The scientist is back at work. Love tinkering myself:)

[@samtang]

Loved the video! Thanks Mr undone!

[@memop94]

Forget the video/youtube business Gerald! For what I see in 14:55 you should start a beatboxing career

[@russellchai3644]

Thank you for addressing the Atomos levels issue. Used the Shogun Inferno with my GH5 a few months back and noticed that something was up and I recently got a Ninja V for the S1H and had the same problem. I spent hours trying to figure it out only to realize it has been issue for quite some now and Atomos has done nothing to solve it. On a side note it would also be awesome in a future update if Atomos would allow its recorders to recognize 48fps

[@GriffinConway]

Great video Gerald

[@EposVox]

Wow, they really thought this through. Me like.

[@geraldundone]

Ha. Thanks, Adam. 🤓👍

[@ApokinAleksandr]

That's for this interesting video. All clear for understanding

[@doplinger1]

I have very little or no interest in video, but I love watching your channel! I don't lift either but I get the reference in the title - LOL. Keep up the good work, Gerald.

[@NatesEscape]

Looking slick man Loving the short hair!

[@dennisersoz6266]

Great as always!

[@Youthure]

“I’m Gerald Undone en dit is de reden waarom ik mijn intro’s in het Engels doe”

[@valbou1089]

Good you pointed the data levels problems over HDMI. It's the same with the Ninja V which I don't buy because of that. The external recorders are here to make the workflow smoother, not to add a step in post. Waiting for a recorder which handles that. Thanks for your video!

[@BadKarma714]

Good video the latency of that monitor setup with the 4 camera Views to me looked really low when you where moving you hands to me looked almost real time how is it in person?

[@clemenshillinger9130]

Hi Gerald, how did you color match the Bmpcc 4k and the Sony A7III so perfectly?

[@GlennLucasWoodTurner]

Hi Gerald. I bought the shogun 7 after watching this and other videos as a solution to live streaming switching. I have one problem. It can not pick up the signal from my Canon EOSR going through the atomos red coloured HDMI to SDI converter. It keeps telling me to set the camera output to SDI level A which I can not. It has no problem detecting my C300 mr ii or black magic studio camera going through the HDMI/SDI conversion. All three cameras were set to the same frame rate and resolution. Would the atomos yellow cross converter be my solution. Thanks and I very much enjoy your videos. Very clear and helpful.

[@CodestarProductions]

Wow you're two main camers are the sony and the BM? The colours are matched so well! I'd just assumed they must be of the same brand

[@RoccoGermani]

"I'm Gerald Undone, and this is where your tax money goes."

[@bikemadkiwi]

Gerald- awesome as always. FYI I had issues using Sony 4K into an Atomos Ninja Inferno and down convert to 1080 out to a Epiphan Webcaster. The webcaster just seemed to blank whenever the camera was set to record, or when the webcaster was taken live.

[@zwheels654]

Question for my crazy brain: Could you use the HDMI out to go into a Black Magic ATEM Mini to extend the ATEM Mini's available cameras while adding multiview for four cameras? That would be legit.

[@YanisCrouch]

Love your videos!

[@rickvestuto]

WOW...........Thats crazy Baked in transitions would have been nice I love your new studio look best regards, rick

[@AlleiN]

I boutht Sony a6100, it has no slog so I use the creative styles function on portrait mode (lowering contrast and saturation by 3) to "imitate" it. How does this affect the quality of the raw video? Slog is pre process and creative style a post process thing? Thank youuuu

[@leonmuli7841]

Those bloopers....super hilarious!

[@dragonstone6594]

I found this video helpful in an entertaining way.

[@JD-ne1cn]

So much better with short hairs. Looks really good.

[@PeteTheGeek196]

That was an informative video, beyond the information about the Shogun switching. Now I want to try a second camera setup on my one-person productions. I wonder what the issue is with the Ninja V HDMI output? The manual says that timecode can interfere with other equipment, but you would expect other Atomos equipment to work with it. Could it be HDMI cables?

[@LloydLoo]

Agree on the problem with the Ninja V HDMI output. Wanted to use the HDMI output of the Ninja V to output to a projector while recording for a job but it just wouldn't work. Had to split the signal before going to the recorder to work around this.

[@114craigallan]

THANK YOU!!! this is great. This was a good starting point for me to try out the switching feature. I ran into a problem with my EOSR. I'm using the Blackmagic micro convertor with latest firmware update to get HDMI to SDI from EOSR. The problem is no matter what res and frame rate I set on the EOSR the Atomos only reads input as 59.94?? I tried my GH4 with the exact same set up with the converter etc... and I was able to dial in any frame rate. Also if I plug the EOSR directly into the Shoguns HDMI port it will read the frame rate just fine, its only when I use the combo of the R and converter that it only see's 59.94

[@Sotov]

You are the God of video equipment)

[@huntingbig1014]

Great work. Thanks

[@mr.michaeljones5710]

Amazing. Have you tried this with any SDI broadcast cameras? Marshall, Aida, and PTZ Optics have some great looking cameras that will skip the HDMI converter and might be nice for studios.

[@VFXHut]

One micro usb is odd - that would do my head in :o - Great videos as always

[@TreeTrunkProd]

Thanks for the video! Super helpful. PhotoJoseph recommended you after watching his video about the ATEM mini. I was very curious if this seemed like the better choice after the firmware update.

[@magnusgotander3954]

I have seen this video before but now I really notice something else.You warn us for taking the main sound to the Shogun 7 because if you need to change anything on the 7. you loose the sound as well. Does that meen that the streaming in it selves contious all the time, despite the record stop ? In that case, witch way would you relay from unother recorder (NinjaV) in to the 7. to get a backup rec. (with the missing part) WHEN you rec.at the 7. I again.

[@channelgufin9633]

Thanks. Info on HDMI/SDI converters, external recorders, etc. is really helpful as there may be unknown "gotchas" without testing various scenarios. I was thinking of externally recording UHD and sending an FHD feed but seems like I need to do thorough testing before any purchase. If you wanted both a) 4K SDI output and b) external 4K recording capability, would you prefer to use individual Atomos recorders for each camera, or HDMI/SDI converters and record via a vision switcher/recorder setup? Or something else? I'm in the preliminary stages and there seem to be pros and cons, no clear cut "winner"... and cost is significant given I'd be working with 6-8 cameras.

[@travelingtriathlete446]

Yes, a video with bloopers at the end!

[@peterbak5546]

Bloopers like in Peter Mckinnon's videos. I love it!

[@IggySky]

Whats the longest distance that I can run the SD cables if I use 4 cameras? 100 feet? 150 feet? Great video by the way. I bought the 4 sdi converters.. Thank you so much..

[@RossJukesPhotography]

I don't even know what's happening but this looks EXPENSIVE!!!

[@Settemsdal]

Looks like you might hit the 100k by the new year after all =D

[@timphillips5913]

Great review Gerald. How long can you record and are the batteries hot-swapable?

[@TrueFoodTV]

I’m Gerald Undone and for those of you who are watching in black in white: this one is in Technicolor.

[@manuelbarajas4517]

Hey Gerald, Since you’re the only reputable KZbinr still using a Bmpcc4k (unless I missed out on a video), do you mind taking a look at the Port Keys BM5 (2200nit and camera control for the BMPCC4K). I’d like to know your opinions and thoughts, and maybe with your platform, can persuade larger, more well known, companies like Atomos to include camera control features in their devices? Thanks

[@cristianpaulmartinez52]

thank you thank you I needed this information I was struggling with theSumo 19. it was a nightmare to use because I need gunlock and a scaler. looks like it'll be a much easier setup for me now if I replace it with this.

[@svenh.6792]

Very interessting, thanks. Nice outtakes :-).

[@angelitojusay593]

Why not use the blackmagic bidirectional converters for HDMI to SDI?

[@josemunizable]

Gerald I loved this video! I work in audio visual and also do my own little video production stuff from time to time! This video was so informative and educational and I can definitely see this device being handy in my workflow. So thank you for demonstrating your setup!! I also too find it interesting that you were having some video drop signal issues when running from the HDMI OUTPUTS of your Ninja V to your Atomos converters🤔...I mean if your Outputting 1080p from the ninja V into those 1080p converts then what could be the ultimate issue? Bandwidth, refresh rate aka (frame rate), handshaking lol idk🤷‍♂️??? I wonder if the ninja’s can output 1080i vs 1080p...? Anyways thank you again for the wonderful tutorial/educational videos! 🙌 P.S funny outtakes haha

[@paulquay4745]

Would you be able to pump in a wireless signal into either the Shogun 7 or ATEM Mini and retain functionality? (Hollyland Mars) Due to the pandemic I'm trying to plot out a streaming kit that has value to me as individual pieces. Sling Studio looks too proprietary for my tastes.

[@JamesMatthewGallagher]

I watch Gerald's videos just to try to improve my knowledge in different areas. I'll never need/want a setup like this, but the tech talk sinks in after a while and then when I watch his next video, I'm like, "Oh yeah....that's the thingamajig from the doodad he talked about with the powerful specs similar to the whatchamacallit."

[@RobertoVivancos]

Hi Gerald, I was looking how to power the Ninja V to my Fotga DP500 to centralise all the power of my rig, just saw you have managed to do it?

[@jonathankerr-smith8989]

Can you re link the ISO's to the original 4K files you recorded in camera?

[@petterihietamaki782]

Hi! Do you need to sync the SDI-inputs in any way? I once tried the Sumo out with multiple Blackmagic Cinema Cameras, but for some reason that setup didn't work. I couldn't get more than one signal to show up. I understood that I would've needed to use a master clock to sync all the signals, which would've been a real waste in the workflow. Really appreciate an answer! Thanks!

[@danielbrunal2235]

Great vid about the live switching. I'm actually very curious about what you brought up regarding internal Log Gamma recordings vs the Atomos external Log Gamma recordings and that added contrast into the footage. Does this issue exist when transmitting via SDI from Camera to Monitor? How about when transmitting from Camera's HDMI out to a Converter and then to the Atomos SDI input?

[@ArielLeguizamonEduardo]

amazing review like always! would like an update since you made this video . it get hot while recording 4 cam plus the program ? did you find any problems ? fan noise ?

[@atlbike]

I had to use a Decimator MD-HX to convert to 60Hz out of NinjaV, which also facilitated inexpensive HDMI wireless and ANY cheap PC monitor or TVs (yep,

[@micahfitch]

Hi Gerald, I have been using this setup for live Zoom calls + recording for post production. ONE MAJOR PROBLEM I can't seem to solve. Maybe you can help? I need one SDI channel for a graphics feed from a laptop. I cant seem to get it to work and I've tried all sorts of converters and camera setting changes.

[@BurninSven1]

Nice but I wonder if it would have been easier (and probably a lot cheaper) with the BM Design Atem mini it has 4 HDMI inputs but you got to record to another unit like the hyperdeck shuttle 2 or a computer via OBS. It does the same and more check it out.

[@TheHeldenbariton]

Hi, I like to build a similar setup but with iPhones and using their HDMI Lightning Adapter...in Case they don't deliver the right resolution in need probably a converter...any recommendation?

[@rectape]

Hi Gerald, what do you think of the Black Magic Monito 7 inch 12G with Sony A7III?

[@IslandFilmMaker]

WOW! What a headache, much hassle, and additional expenses! This is 2020 and you'd think there MUST BE an EASIER WAY! Agreed, the ADA mini is a better choice. We need more options :)

[@k1k13004]

hi ! thanks for the video. I have a stupid question. I want to use an Atomos with the R5 I want to purchase and I use resolve studio (no prores??). So what kind of format will I be able to output? Thanks !

[@jonathanschanbacher3009]

"I'm Gerald Undone, and no, Undone is not my real last name"

[@IggySky]

Nice video by the way thank you..