Do you have the Legal Rights to AI Songs created from AI Music Generators?

[@drewnorman3632]

I am using my own lyrics and using Suno to add vocals and background music

[@cyrusreign]

Same here and uploading on Tiktok and KZbin, just to get my message across not going into Spotify and making money

[@bhargavim3673]

Hi I'm also using like that my own lyrics and using suno to add vocals is it monetizable on youtube

[@Tomyoutube89]

I use my own instrumentals and lyrics it's just the voice lol

[@mprice10170580]

I use my own lyrics, it forced me to dig deeper because I am always a singer.

[@ChristianIce]

3:25 Absolutely not. Even if you could sue those companies for creating models using copyrighted music, that doesn't mean, in any way, that the output is copyright infringement. A song is the copy of another when... it is the copy of another. You can copy a song with any method, it doesn't matter, if it's a copy it's a copy. If it doesn't sound like a copyrighted song, it's not a copy, doens't matter if you recorded it on cubase, on a potato or it's AI generated.

[@curiousgirljnw]

Wait I write my own poems use ai to turn them into music I'm not a musician but I am a poet/writer and I do not sing but I get riffs in my head so if I make my poems ai music with voices that are not from people but just suno can I get sued? Even with my own words?

[@ChristianIce]

@@curiousgirljnw No. You can actually claim the rights on the lyrics even if the music is 100% ai generated.

[@Tomyoutube89]

I also upload my own instrumental or one iv brought the ai sometimes makes minor changes but that plus my lyrics even in terms of flow structure etc all from me not a.i

[@domehouse79]

Well said

[@MegSummersMusic]

Thanks for this information. Since I write my own lyrics, I'm not too worried about that but I'm not sure of the music generated. But I use a music plagiarism checker Mippia to see if my music is unique.

[@TuneSpark-j2h]

thank you I'll also check it there

[@jerryjoys4561]

Noone will stop ai music,ai music is the future,if you accept this or not.

[@yahushandawid]

that's not true at all whats the creator say about it??????

[@EcazUnlimited]

I heard someone say as long as you can add some human elements . You can copyright it. In other words intro or outro your song with your voice.

[@helakuism]

If someone goes to study music, the learning is pretty much made from copyrighted material. Is music theory copyrighted? Also we humans are good in copying and probably most of the songs made are kind of copies of what we've heard from other artists. Most songs also sound like "I've heard this before so many times", but it's not counted as a copy though it basically is. I rarely see this mentioned on videos about this topic.

[@petergedd9330]

What rights does AI have in taking a multitude of songs without asking the originators?

[@ChristianIce]

The correct question is: "is it illegal?"

[@InfinityDsbm]

​@@ChristianIcea better question is, is it ethical?

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

It's more that the creators don't have a right to block transformative / fair use. Plus, it's mostly just using them to learn, like you hearing Michael Jackson on the radio and it contributing a little to your understanding of music (if at a subconscious level).

[@InfinityDsbm]

@@Leto2ndAtreides machine learning is different from human learning. Id argue that humans getting inspired to create art is the opposite of what soulless machines do

[@JakeBlake-m3d]

That is not a correctly worded question. Research the topic more its clear you don't understand

[@CyrusShameliOfficial]

AI Music is probably the future now.

[@QuadCipher]

Suno has an article that clarifies this now, stating:"In the US, copyright laws protect material created by a human. Music made 100% with AI would not qualify for copyright protection because a human did not write the lyrics or the music. Writing the prompt does not constitute the creation of the song. If you wrote the lyrics for your song(s), you own those lyrics. Most copyright offices will allow you to register those lyrics on their own, and you may be able to use those lyrics to register your whole song as well. Some regions/registrars may recognize you as the writer of the song and Suno as an instrument to help you create the song. If this happens, the song will likely be eligible for copyright protection. " This means that they can not legally stop you from making money, the only way you get any say legally would be to write the lyrics yourself.

[@thebman80]

Yeah but Suno also claims in their terms of service that unless you pay for a plan you can not use the music commercially. Then they say you can use it non-commercially but that they own the music since Their AI created it. How can they claim ownership over something that cant be copyrighted? Its like saying we made the Hammer you used to build your house so now we own your house.

[@Saint4Fun]

Ai music is future cause i made my every song through ai and its 🔥

[@CyrusShameliOfficial]

agreed

[@zariisofficial]

You didnt make music with AI, you typed in a few prompts and it spat out a pre made tune lol

[@AeromancerOffical]

​@@zariisofficial Without the human interaction of writing a prompt, the Ai song wouldn't exist.

[@zariisofficial]

@@AeromancerOffical Well your comment makes perfect sense to you since your music is all AI generated with zero talent by yourself.

[@AeromancerOffical]

@@zariisofficial Oh really.. you are welcome to look at my music videos and see the talent I do have.. i'd recommend "As This Begins" which I composed myself.

[@organikarts]

Some people says that already exists an kind of watermark on suno tracks. Convert it from digital to analog, problem solved.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

You'd also get quality degradation. It's more that someone has made a machine learning model that does a fairly good job of detecting when a song was generated by Suno.

[@AeromancerOffical]

I have a question. Does the human interaction of inputting a prompt on an AI generator site, create a copywrite? It's an interesting question as one could argue that the AI generated song wouldn't exist without the human interaction, in telling the tool to create the song, it then is generated and then song does exist.

[@avsystem3142]

The answer is no. Only human created original works can be copyrighted. The same applies to Patents. A trademark can be obtained by a corporation.

[@sammyrodriguez1365]

im agree with u. the best way to avoid from any copyright issue, just subscribe it. its cheap n more cheaper.

[@drewnorman3632]

Does anyone know if Suno uses bits from other copyrighted music?

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Almost definitely doesn't... But if it did, using "bits" in a transformative way (so that it's not meaningfully like the reference song), would still be fair use.

[@SabrinaBarrineau]

What if its your lyrics and you use an AI Generator app to put music to your song?

[@necroTch]

legally and according to sunos terms of serves you own your lyrics. yet this video apply to the audio output ultimately till its tested in the courts theres no clear answer

[@ArtisanUntamed]

Im willing to test that out. I have 10 bangers i can't wait to share. And at some point I want to rerecord them with my lyrics ​@necroTch

[@sanjeevanysudha8187]

Generative ai of any kind does not put together music or stories from existing works. Only time A.I has any other peoples work is during the training. And th etraining is not monetized, like me listening to any music on youtube is not copyrighted. After the training is done, the model does not have any music or writing to copy or sample. The model has learned what different songs, image, different genre of stories is supposed to be like. And then creates new content in the style that we want. It's a neural network. It learns like humans do. I don't need to sample any music to create pop or country music. And the created content will resemble the genre I want without me using any music used in any other songs. Same with A.I. I suppose an person who works on the the A.I models can explain this better. But the core thing I am trying to say is that gen A.I that has been fully trained doesn't have any copies of any music left. It is not piecing together anything. Great video. Thanks.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

It would also fundamentally be transformative work, and thus mostly fair use.

[@wdragon92190]

The issue i have with the anti ai side is that their logic often falls apart when actually examined. "You just wrote a sentence and pressed a button." Can also be turned around as "you just wrote squigglies on scale paper." Or "you just pressed a bunch of buttons in a music software." Reductive logic doesnt really work. Yeah sure those examples are more complicated but so is getting anything above mediocre in ai generation. Any musician using the tools will get better results than a non-musician. Its really that simple, so it isnt a threat to musicians because if those musicians used the same tools they would blow apart their competition. I understand from an emotional standpoint where they are coming from, but it reminds me of the people thar lost their minds about autotune, or sythesizers. There was a while when electronic music lole techno wasnt considered "real music"

[@thebman80]

Yeah but if you make a squiggle on a piece of paper you own the rights to that since is was done by human hands. You could also argue that human hands had to type in that AI prompt or the music couldn't have been generated in the first place same concept. The problem I have is AI music generating companies claiming that they own the music that their AI generated if you don't pay them. AI is a tool for creation plain and simple. A company that creates hammers can not claim ownership over the items you produce with those hammers but Suno and other AI companies do.

[@Unxnown1]

In my opinion, I don't know why people make this so complicated. If you use SUNO and UDIO as tools (like telling them in detail what to do), then you are the author and should be able to own the copyright. If you only input a prompt, that is not using SUNO/UDIO as tools...they are doing all the work. Using Ai as a tool example prompt: "128BPM, play TR-808 beat for the first 20 seconds, infused with high-hat at each 3 second interval, include 2 second DJ vinyl scratch effect extended from the 1st second for a length of 5 seconds up to 32 seconds,..."

[@mprice10170580]

I’ve subscribed to follow this because this is important to me. I would like to know how to copyright and license my music the right way. Thanks for staying on the topic and clarity ❤

[@avsystem3142]

You probably should not be taking legal advise from a non-lawyer on KZbin. Intellectual property law is particularly byzantine.

[@toresaetre7793]

How do you really make something from scratch when we all use the same musical scale? How many notes in a row does it take to claim your original work has been copied? If a "new song" has been assembled by elements from 15 different songs, good luck to you if you are one of those 15 wanting to claim a case of copyright.

[@Lyudtaru]

What would be cool is if a person changed about 25% of the melody the ai produced than 100% you can clain copyright.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

The main thing you'd have rights over, are lyrics you wrote. The music... The question there is more "How much input did you have in it?" Even on Suno, sometimes that's a lot, because you're editing, tweaking, etc... Where it's probably not very different from using a DAW at times (albeit a superior one).

[@adrian-gh5lf]

But if I generated the music for myself for personal use can I still claim it as mine and if I don't share it with anyone?

[@KittyGotClaws666]

I feel bad for those who misread the rules and didnt know until after the fact

[@utubetail]

I just made one on music AI using only my lyrics. It turned out so beautifully it is hard to imagine it was done by a computer. Since the entire melody is done by AI, does it mean that I have no involvement?

[@chaosskyofficial]

Honestly? If you use your own lyrics, it's you man, and it sounds beautiful you got lucky for sure. Check out all my songs, The Color Of Dark, I wrote those lyrics from my heart, I had AI do the rest and it came out beautifully.

[@chaosskyofficial]

You can also tell when someone has the AI generate lyrics, it sounds so generic af lol

[@avsystem3142]

"Involvement" and "created" are different concepts. Only original works by a human being can be copyrighted.

[@PatRatRocks]

If you cannot copyright ai art generated through an ai program/site, how can you copyright ai music generated through an ai program?

[@avsystem3142]

You can't. Only original works created by a human being can be copyrighted.

[@PatRatRocks]

@@avsystem3142 I'm always amused when people put a copyright notice on an obvious ai piece of art...

[@avsystem3142]

@@PatRatRocks Apparently you amuse yourself with your own ignorance. It absolutely is possible to copyright any original creative work, but only if a human created it. That is the law.

[@Vampireknight1131]

How do i know which a.i genrated music i can copyright without getting in trouble.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

If it's not very similar to existing music, you should be fine. Although, if you used AI generated lyrics also, then you might not have much input into the song to copyright. But then, how would they prove that you didn't write it?

[@Vampireknight1131]

@@Leto2ndAtreides Thank you

[@colonsancarlos4389]

I hope you understand what I'm going to write because I'm a Spanish speaker. The following: I upload an audio of music created by me playing the guitar and from that music of my authorship I extend it... Does that melody uploaded by me and then extended by Suno cease to be my authorship? 🤔

[@VaultWeasel]

Band in the Box/Suno what's the difference ;) (both are software apps people use, otherwise they are just a person with a dream)

[@jimmy1269]

if you making videos with ai or music with ai how can have the rights to protect it. like content id for ai music

[@drewnorman3632]

Does anyone know if theres a suno like app that can create a AI comedian using my original material?

[@LimitlessRhythmss]

can you get a copyright claim for the music generated by ai and uploaded to youtube?

[@chaosskyofficial]

No

[@LittleDigitalWave]

I think it's better to pay the $10 if you can get more than $10 later. If you don't pay it, even if you think they can't come after you, they can cancel your account on the platform and you'd have to keep changing IP addresses and using new email accounts just to get some "free" music, it’s not worth it.

[@cedricharris-v2r]

What if you its your own lyrics or vision

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Your own lyrics are always copyrightable.

[@cedricharris-v2r]

@@Leto2ndAtreides thanks for your reply

[@cedricharris-v2r]

@@Leto2ndAtreides if you could explain further the comment section can be a place to gain information. We usually comment thinking the reader is on the same page pertaining to knowledge. Which is not always a correct assumption. Which leads the reader to a cliff

[@chaosskyofficial]

Check out my songs, I wrote all those lyrics and a lot of my songs came out beautifully because of AI :)

[@ultimatestp]

I wrote lyrics to 20 songs and use ai for ideas of how to sing songs I wrote 13 of them are what I wrote and how I frased them the other 1000 versions wher not

[@BeautifullyCrude-eg4cw]

Just write your own music. It's not brain science. But you do have to learn how.

[@gitarman666]

It’s not even debatable Suno is not a self created algorithm there is obviously a human component in the creation of the development of suno that allows the developers full ownership of what is created since you “did not create anything” the algorithm did you own nothing If you agree to terms and pay your use is limited and a hearty percentage of monies earned by there solely owned product will be going to them A human dose not contribute anywhere near the percentage of a suno generated song Your releases have to be labeled as Ai produced partially or in full Anyone who believes that this is just another tool like a DAW, if you claim you wrote a song your committing fraud and morally your outright lying If you write the lyrics, you own the words but the computer generated performance is not yours, it would be akin to hiring a vocalist to cut a reference track You will be paying that vocalist and you will have to pay suno Nothing gray here brother, either your a writer,musician, performer, you track, mix, master and graphically design or the computer did Last bit, of course they know what’s being made on their live os platform with their live real time program, it’s not even a stand alone program, everything created is in their database and it’s crazy to believe otherwise Your best chance to use something that not yours is to do what nearly every Music director, writer, producer, ect.. does Use a 3rd party source for generation, use the bones, alter the chord structure, alter the tempo, alter the key, change up the song structure (that is) maybe drop the intro in favor of a partial chorus, add or delete pre-chorus, change fills, currently these programs are weak with their hooks they are just to generic Yes you will actually have to be creative to steal their song, personally I would and do write my own song it takes just as long but if you don’t play an instrument, can’t sing, don’t own the gear or whatever than knock yourself out but remember if you hit big (long shot even for pros) everyone will be ripping apart you version to see if any of their parts shake free and then you will pay

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

Since Suno gives you commercial rights, when you have a paid account, then whatever rights Suno has to give, are yours.

[@SinewaveSinatra]

You seem to be reacting off emotion not logic. A good example that rips your points to shreds are the Native Instrument plugins. Take a look a the Native Guitarist Strummed and Plucked series. They are pattern based/midi generative and have clear limits. It's pretty easy for two people to generate an identical sound, and use them like samples (they aren't simply samples btw) and both own their track. Not only that, the majority of synths have had their presets used like wildfire. Even Avicii's early stuff used stock Sylenth1 presets and simple melodies. Doesn't mean he doesn't own the sound despite anyone being able to recreate it with the exact same tool and preset (prompt) he used. On top of that, I have produced full songs, and written lyrics, and sold them. My name isn't anywhere in the track. I own nothing, the client owns 100%. By your logic due to them paying for it and just giving me a simple pitch, they don't own the music they paid for? You have to set aside your personal beliefs and feelings,and go by the law. We already have all the copyright laws we need regarding master ownership and compositional rights etc. All Ai does is generate a wav file. tools like ACR Cloud are built into all distros, and will catch sound alikes. Even if they don't, if the output is infringing, the law is already on your side. So what else do you want?

[@gitarman666]

@ No human reacts without emotion using only logic, that’s an Ai not a human attribute, Something Freudian in your comment just in the first protest Secondly I have been using Native Instruments komplete since it’s inception I left the desk less than one hour ago, running through the articulations for Session guitar electric mint and the standup bass Just updated on Thursday to 15 The session Instruments are tools They may give you a plethora of options when it comes to one finger chords and the associated progressions by the genre you choose, but it’s still requires you to do the arranging in a DAW It does not write your percussion, it does not write your baselines vocal melody lines, keyboards it does not mix and master It does not take the arrangement from intro, to verse pre chorus, to chorus with bridge in a completed fashion the way suno does, Suno does not need a human period It has the ability to write the lyrics, even design the album, cover and generate a complete song in any genre But as a product what financial benefit comes from having a generator without a user? How does Suno profit? The monthly subscription is far too low for them to sustain longtime profit, It needs the human for one reason and that’s to monetize. You can add the lyrics or you can simply type in some prompts. This is not true with anything Native Instruments offers the same thing is true for. Every single tool that uses Ai like Melodine or quantize in any daw Those are corrective and artistic tools, Native Instruments gives you individual instrument tools that uses preloaded structure, sounds, articulations, rhythmic ideas in any key or mode you choose but again you need to drag and drop ,you need to adjust structure for your song. You need to add all the other elements, including vocals and harmonies and effects, then you need to mix, master and bounce your song in your required format, and you’re required khz be it 44.1, 48 ect.. Suno is not a tool. It’s a self-contained song generator and no human that uses. It can claim ownership to the music that Suno writes what you believe about the law it simply a matter of ethics and logic can you or anyone say you wrote that song? If you say yes, then you’re lying and not just to yourself

[@gitarman666]

@ But to your point about sold product and ownership I have been a session and touring guitarist, since the early 70s I play multiple instruments and I write original music from beginning to end using my own vocals for reference, When something from my catalog sells the customer does indeed own the product. I mean they paid for it, but I am still the writer I have ghost written. And if someone wants to lie and say they wrote one of my songs that’s on them Usually, they will assign a contributors credit and they will include themselves as Co-writer and they can do so legally, just by recording the track with their own singer and changing up the melody line to fit their style I sold an instrumental bit P.R.O. Intact it was purchased by Proctor Gamble for Gillette radio spots in my agreement. I forfeited royalties in favor of lump sum all out purchase. Of course they have their legal jargon for the transaction but in essence that’s what happened. Proctor Gamble is the owner, but I am the writer If I was to duplicate that sale using Suno, I would be the seller, Suno would be the artist and Proctor Gamble would be the owner Don’t confuse copyright laws the devils and details, years ago we used acid loops that came on CDs and we could use them royalty free but there was something in the fine print that users of Suno are simply ignoring because of the excitement of generating professional songs so easily But hey, do what you want. All I’m saying is you’re not getting famous and you’re not gonna be rich having a Computer algorithm do all your work and claiming that it’s yours

[@Vampireknight1131]

Can i monitize ai music from Donna A.I app?

[@ChongFreak]

There is a lot of fear about ai replacing the human producers and vocalists. That's what is all about. It's not even about generic ai generation. Jist the thought of ai being content pisses people off, even gov. They want to silent ai. That's it. I am using an ai vocalist right now and I plan on copyrighting my work. The human involvement in editing her to sound real is EPIC TOUGH. If they want to start this war, I'm fighting to the end. Ai rights need to exist. We need to recognize ai that is created with intensive human involvement and lazy ai that is simply generated. There are two big differences there.

[@WisdomRescue]

Please can you perform the song you generated with ai?

[@avsystem3142]

Unless you are a lawyer specializing in IP law (Federal courts) you shouldn't be providing legal advice.

[@thebman80]

Its still ridiculous that you have to pay for a plan to use the music. AI music is a tool, like say a word processing program, the company that made the tool cannot claim ownership over what you create with the tool. Its like saying that You wrote you book with a word processing program But since we created the word processing program now WE own your book. AI should be viewed as a tool otherwise its going to get dystopian real fast, it gives the Music generation company a wide birth to claim ownership over everything unless you pay them. Imagine if you bought a music instrument and the company that made said instrument said that everything you play with it is owned by us.

[@fragglefragmentedminds]

If we dont have the rights to it, then why does AI?

[@user-zg1gs9ez8g]

Great job. Seriously, well done 👏

[@ZigZagProductionStudio]

Thanks!

[@VOIDSTRANGER2099]

They’ll never know.. they’re never gonna know. They’re gonna knoww, they’ll nevvver know

[@northofeden1802]

So what if you’re paying , when you make the song, but then stop paying. Are you eternally bound to a suno subscription.

[@ZigZagProductionStudio]

no - if you make the song when paying, you have the rights to it forever (even if you don't have the subscription anymore)

[@chaosskyofficial]

All my songs are AI except my stuff from YEARS ago. I write my own lyrics though. Its a game changer and it makes me happy I can express myself with it. I'm all over streaming services now with distrokid.

[@shivi2f]

Do they accept your songs or they even ask you to provide any license or such?

[@chaosskyofficial]

@shivi2f Nope, no licence or anything. Here's the catch, if you're gonna use AI songs, you better subscribe to those services like Suno, cuz if you try to upload a song from suno without subscribing to them, they still technically own that song.

[@shivi2f]

@@chaosskyofficial thank you so much for replying🌻

[@avsystem3142]

People are free to generate and distribute anything they wish using AI, they just can't protect it with a copyright.

[@chaosskyofficial]

@@avsystem3142 yeah they can. So as long as you are subbed to the AI program you can copyright claim the song. You can't copyright the music that the AI generator generated without a subscription though.