Doctor's Help Teen Lie to Parents about Back Alley Abortion | Chicago Med | MD TV

[@cathygretch7824]

Dear God, if my girls had ever been that scared to tell me that or anything else, I would have considered myself a failure as a mother.

[@gabs3174]

Exactly! People are fighting about the right to know...isn't it best that our kids feel comfortable & trust us enough to tell us what's going on with them in the first place? I want to know whats going on with my daughter through my daughter.

[@imthethevillainofyourstory2670]

same. my child should do whatever they want. im always going to support them

[@Crystal5672cats]

I grew up in a home where I could not trust my mom with complicated issues or feelings. I am 42 and I still don’t trust her in that way. She has proven over and over that she can’t and that’s who she is.

[@MHWM2014]

@@Crystal5672cats same! Mine just laughed at me last week when I told her a strange man(he knows my extended family but idk him) knocked on my door trying to hit on me(60+…I’m 35). Tbh both parents laughed together. Like how is that remotely funny while your gkids are in here.

[@Kytti-not-kitty]

same my parents had an agreement with my friends parents that if one of us kids didnt feel like we could talk to our pwn parents we could go to our friends parents for something like an std test or abortion support and they wouldnt tell on us but we had a safe adult with us. it worked out really well for me and my friends.

[@lakeofalltrades]

Not her calling her daughter, a murderer, and she is literally lying to her husband about being the father 😮😧😦😯

[@nykeboy4129]

Just so I understand that this means that the father was sleeping with the daughter

[@bubbleblasterbb]

@@nykeboy4129no, the dad isn’t her dad. Mom cheated and lied and said he’s the father of the girl when he isn’t.

[@nykeboy4129]

@ oh ok thanks

[@annaniskanen2557]

THAT is actually so believable. Most sanctimonious people have always a bunch of skeletons in their closet.

[@nicolay1450]

When I was 16 I had a miscarriage and the doctors didn’t say a word to my parents. I had a D&C done and they put it in my records as something different. So they never knew until I told them 10 years later what happened. Doctors are there to help you. Not ruin your life.

[@MrManic52001]

You lost the narrative...

[@lov_eli]

@@MrManic52001 ...how? She's right, if keeping a secret helps keep a pacient safe, yeah, doctors should totally lie (there are parents out there who would throw their kids to the street because of their beliefs)

[@MrManic52001]

@@lov_eli there was nothing there that indicated the girl was in danger... You are making that assumption to satisfy your addiction to be virtuous. You don't get to interfere in parenting another person's child.

[@meinkanta]

@@MrManic52001 she may be “their child” but she is not *a* child. She is Gillick competent and should be able to make her own decisions

[@MrManic52001]

@@meinkanta lol!!! Okay sure thing. Parental rights are a thing here in the states if you are from crappy other country I don't care. Your idiotic idea is basicly a Dr could convince the same girl to keep a child instead of have an abortion. The parents don't want her to but the Dr has a virtuous mandate given to herself and knows better than the parents. Is that okay? The Dr really believes deep down she is "protecting" her child. I mean as long as the Dr really believes it it must be the most virtuous thing ever.

[@sketchyghost_yt]

If a patient is crying not to tell her parents, you don’t tell them. This could be so dangerous

[@bleudiamondbleu]

That’s not always the law. Sorry.

[@nathananderson7962]

@@bleudiamondbleu Well it is the law in this situation. There's no baby anymore, but she's still "pregnant" with placental tissue and legally has the right to do whatever she wants with her body (except an abortion, but the fetus is already dead).

[@crystalstorms880]

You don't know the situation the dad could gave went home and unalived his daughter Yes there are people out there that would

[@uncammie]

@@bleudiamondbleu there used to be a law that you can buy and own people. The law isn't always right, wouldn't you agree?

[@rileysmith8765]

@@uncammie Its not a matter of whats right and wrong, its a matter of law. You could have the perfect moral and ethical reason to do something but as long as it is outside the scope of what the law allows then you will be prosecuted .

[@22rajiboo]

Hold up, hold up, hold up. She straight up called her daughter a murderer but is tricking her husband with a child that isn't his? My my, how our morality flip flops when the light shines on us. That mother should be ashamed of herself. There should have been way more understanding and honesty. Maybe if she was honest, Jenny would not have hidden this from them.

[@m_d1905]

Yep the daughter is a murderer and her mother is a liar. Morals right from her mom.

[@notsuperhumain]

@@m_d1905 "murderer " bro she got ridded of cells with no brain activity or heart beat. Good riddance. Once the heart starts pumping and the brain starts giving signals, it's a life. That why abortion is denied at 3 months. Cuz then it would be a butchery. Like dangerous for both the mother and the fetus

[@sarahtobore2832]

​@@m_d1905 unless the girl strangled a living, squalling baby, she isn't a murderer. she's done nothing wrong. Take your dog whistling politics somewhere else.

[@susanbazinet9664]

Thank you. Well said.

[@macorsinalera1068]

@@sarahtobore2832 even tho its still a fetus it doesnt change the fact that it will be a living human someday and could have a future so yeah, it can be called muder

[@faithjay1411]

I’ve had an abortion, I was terrified to tell my parents. They kicked me out when my sister told them what happened. This girls fear is so real.

[@evaschroeder4614]

Gosh I'm so sorry. I'm Catholic my mom is Catholic but if I had an abortion my mom wouldn't kick me out.

[@sarcasticallyrearranged]

How disgustingly cruel of your mother to throw you out, instead of her being ashamed that you felt like you couldn't come to her for support from the get go!

[@egablee]

why did you have sex if you knew it was forbidden in your household?

[@YG-rr6zv]

@@egablee sometimes u just don’t plan these sort of things

[@Foxtrox7616]

​@@egablee you think people have sex just to procreate? Most of the time it's out of biological need rather than plans

[@mamadoctor6985]

This is awful. I has been hospitalised after a failed suicidal attempt when I was 14 I asked the doctor to keep it confidential. I told them if my dad ever found out his will kill me. Many doctors including the head of psychiatry came to talk with me. I told them my reasons and they came to the same conclusion "my parents should be kept in the dark for my own safety". Fortunately I have a chronic illness so they came up with "we want to do more tests and keep an eye on her" they kept it out of the records too. I'm grateful for their understanding and if it wasn't for their understanding I'm sure I won't be here today.

[@tt4days346]

Bruh, this is not a good example . You 10000% need to inform parents if their child is literally suicidal :,) you would be surprised how much a parent will look inside themselves and at their own actions when they realise that their behaviour might have contributed to their childs suicidalness. I'm glad it worked out for you but it could have just as easily ended up as a massive lawsuit if you had proceeded to end your life after the doctors concealed the situation from your parents :/

[@beautifulrainbow470]

@@tt4days346 they’re her parents, if she didn’t feel safe telling them then she probably has a good reason why

[@mamadoctor6985]

@@beautifulrainbow470 Thank you!

[@mamadoctor6985]

@@tt4days346 First I had my reasons. Second more than 10 qualified doctors assessed the situation. Third medicine isn't all black and white. A doctor has to help the patient and respect their confidentiality. "Do no harm" was the first sentence they ever told us in medical school. I'm not speaking without any background knowledge. I'm a doctor now.

[@nathananderson7962]

@@tt4days346 I told my parents I was suicidal. I then got screamed at and told pretty much every day that I have no reason to be sad and it would be selfish of me to try to end my suffering because they might get a little bit sad and then move on with their lives. Keep in mind I was an autistic middle schooler with multiple chronic conditions and living in a constant state of stress and self loathing, yet they were so convinced that *God* would simply "heal" me without any help or even acknowledgement of their own.

[@mar-k7104]

Doctors should be obligated to not disclose abortion/pregnancy at the patients request. You don’t know what’s going on at home or the parents beliefs. They could pressure her, take away her autonomy, regardless of her wants. Doctors should offer as much guidance and resources as possible to ensure they make intelligent informed decisions, but telling the parents… you could ruin her life.

[@meinkanta]

The fact that in her home state her parents (or anyone) could have forced her to carry a pregnancy to term by refusing to give consent for her procedure is a joke

[@tiffanyarrrr782]

When it comes to minors, I have to disagree. The parents are the legal guardians and have every right to know what is going on with their child.

[@femmefuntime]

@@tiffanyarrrr782 someone didn’t grow up with controlling conservative parents

[@jessicacarlisle9160]

@@tiffanyarrrr782 after a certain age, why do they have the right? Turning 18 shouldn’t be when you’re suddenly given the ability to choose for yourself. In my state, at age 14 they can receive gynecological, mental, and most other standard care without a parents consent. Plus they can do it confidentially so the parents can’t even gain access to the files if they ask for it. Aside from things like major surgery, they have the legal right to choose. They can even go to the ED without a parent and receive care, the ED will not inform the parents unless something dire and major happens.

[@alexandervowles3518]

@@jessicacarlisle9160 18 is just a happy medium. People's prefrontal cortexes, especially males, don't fully mature until ~26, but that's way too long to be considered an adult. 18 is just an arbitrary number.

[@Sharklover123100]

There are some things you should not tell the parents if the patient says no. You have no idea how the parents will react once they get home.

[@Darth_sallad]

Crazy how kids want to do grown up things but can’t handle the grown up consequences.

[@pixiebunni33]

@@Darth_sallad how is potential abuse or being thrown out of the house grown up consequences?

[@tatertot7112]

@@Darth_sallad grown up things? Excuse me? There are 12 year olds being married off like cattle and being abused and forced to carry pregnancies. If the government can say she’s old enough to have a baby then she is old enough to not tell her parents her decision.

[@Darth_sallad]

@@pixiebunni33 im Mexican I’ve had plenty of cousins under 18 that have gotten pregnant and my uncles and aunts help raise the baby while allowing there daughter finish school. My wife got pregnant at a young age her aunt mom and dad helped raise my step daughter. So no not everyone gets kicked out or abused. So that argument isnt a good one. And before you say it I know your ganna be like not everyone has that support system. I agree but you jump straight into the worst possibility to make a point. How about trying this don’t have sex if your not whiling to accept the consequences

[@Darth_sallad]

@@tatertot7112 where in America are 12 year olds being married off.

[@PhotoJeticPoet]

He was so caught up on telling the parents that he didn't actually care about the patient's needs

[@littlepenguinowo1819]

The patient doesn't pay your bills, keeping your job does

[@runsoncaffeine]

@@littlepenguinowo1819 and that's relevant...how?

[@littlepenguinowo1819]

@@runsoncaffeine you need to do what you can to keep your job.

[@runsoncaffeine]

@@littlepenguinowo1819 you act as if Choi would've lost his job from that lmao

[@littlepenguinowo1819]

@@runsoncaffeine for going against policy? Yes he would've

[@ameliabarrett3093]

Here in Australia, once you turn 14, you are entitled to a certain amount of privacy with regards to doctors visits - my girls were both given the option to have a doctor's consultation without me or my husband present if they wished it. Once a teenager turns 16, they are able to give consent for their own medical procedures (including an abortion) without parental consent or knowledge. If you are under 16 and want to access birth control or abortion without your parent's knowledge, you can apply to the Children's Court for an order, which is kept confidential from everyone (including your parents). So there is a system in place to protect vulnerable children in these circumstances.

[@CamdenKaneakaNeptunesdaughter]

Those are good people

[@Youkai_arts]

Aye I wonder what drives these teenagers to go to such a great extent , have boyfriends at a young age then have sex and conceive a child and later abort them. I mean I too am a teenager but never felt the slightest wish to do such things before I am financially independent....

[@BlueSpiritFire1]

@@Youkai_arts I think it's more a lack of understanding the risks that come with things like sex, instead of purposefully deciding to take the risk. They underestimate how scary these possibilities are and overestimate themselves in being able to handle it. That's what parents are supposed to do: teach their children about the world and support them through life's struggles, so that one day when they're gone, their child will have grown up and feel confident in life and be able to pass that knowledge and upbringing on to others.

[@Kytti-not-kitty]

same here in nz, my parents also had an agreement with my friends parents that if one of us kids didnt feel like we could talk to our pwn parents we could go to our friends parents for somehting like an std test pr abortion support and they wouldnt tell on us but we had a saef adult with us.

[@mhv5295]

@@Youkai_arts we seem to be the only species on earth that needs to be taught that sex results in children. Every other species knows exactly what’s happening.

[@NA-sv6so]

Her first thought "she's a murderer" Let that sink in.

[@Akimbo411]

Well she did just find out that she’s a grandmother and that her grandchild is dead at the same time.

[@ashencloak667]

*could have been a grandmother *grandchild never existed

[@juliestewart3113]

@@Akimbo411fun fact- it’s not about her being a grandmother

[@eiavops4576]

@@ashencloak667According to science it did.

[@dacyberman0929]

Because she is 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@emilyhedrick2851]

There are so many layers to this case and I don't envy anyone. First, we've got Jenny, who is sick and afraid that her parents won't love her anymore. We've got her mom, who doesn't approve of abortion, is lying to her husband about him being the father, but also wants the doctors to save her daughter's life. We have the father, who doesn't know what's going on at all. We've got Dr.Manning, who wants to do something morally right but legally wrong, Dr. Choi who doesn't want to break the law, and Miss Goodwin, who understands all sides but has to be honest in her work as well. Poor Jenny's desperation was heartbreaking to watch. Edit: Holy crap, I've never gotten this many likes before! Thanks!

[@jonathanfenton2601]

Sometimes the wrong thing is the best thing to do.

[@MrManic52001]

Very interesting. I feel very bad for the Dad, two of the people he "loves" are betraying him in the worst possible way. Very sickening that either the daughter or mom are even remotely idolized as virtuous or brave. The Dr has betrayed her ethical codes as well.

[@makenahnelson9380]

@@MrManic52001 the daughter never betrayed him, while she is something he wouldn’t approve of she didn’t betray him. It was her choice about her body.

[@nai5949]

@@MrManic52001 The dad is probably abusive. The fact that even the mother didn't tell is a red flag.

[@MrManic52001]

@@makenahnelson9380 lol that is some nonsense logic.

[@celinesadiq1037]

the fact that she would rather die than tell her parents...

[@robertwomack6109]

Yes---but that just may be because she doesn't want to face the reality of her choices. I don't think she is afraid of them. I think she wants to avoid ever having to face the truth. Make a decision and never acknowledge it so you can pretend it never happened.

[@sarcasticallyrearranged]

Daughter knows that her parents are religious quacks while the mother is also a hypocrite and she didn't want to keep the pregnancy and without parental consent, no abortion. I'm sure that she would have been forced to have it and therefore, diminishing her chances of university and a bleaker future according to statistics. I don't blame her for keeping it a secret.

[@LynSanchez-hs5fl]

@@robertwomack6109It’s pretty obvious that she is aware of the consequences of her actions, that being attempting to terminate the pregnancy without sanitation, medical knowledge, and proper care has led to her nearly dying. She is scared of dying and scared of her zealot parents, had she been able to receive legal and sanitary medical care to terminate, she wouldn’t be in this situation.

[@xoangelicaf0523]

That’s just crazy

[@KM-fb4eb]

Anyone who automatically assumes all parents love their children clearly hasnt been raised by narcissists

[@babla69420]

*This* . Doctors should be trained to deal with narcissist parents

[@Desi1992]

As someone who's been abused from 14-18 I say leave the one's who don't understand what we've really been through in the dark they are the lucky ones. I'm also lucky because I got through it, and it doesn't bother me anymore I'm 32 now I've let go and let God

[@KM-fb4eb]

@@Desi1992 I'm happy for you that you've been able to move past it. But many people have PTSD from being raised by narcissists and let me tell you it's absolutely not a choice. And telling them to "let go" is invalidating and not that easy at all, trust me no one would choose PTSD. It permanently re-wires your brain. If you're going to judge someone, judge narcissistic parents, not their victims who are doing the best they can and may not be as resilient as you.

[@KM-fb4eb]

@@Desi1992 and I disagree with leaving people in the dark. As long as we do that more innocent children will have to needlessly suffer. We need to tell our stories, we should NOT be silenced. We need the world to know about this silent and evil form of abuse if it saves even one child from suffering the same fate.

[@Desi1992]

@KM-fb4eb while I understand what you're saying, I truly do because I've been both physically and mentally abused by a drug user sibling who played mind games with me and by just an asshole of a person no drugs no alcohol just because they choose to be abusive. that's 4 different people who abused me the people i was referring to when I said leave them in the dark are those people who truly come from loving homes I guess because from my personal experience for example the 1st boy I ever loved I was 13 and while I wasn't abused back then by my aunt who raised me I still had a lot of drug addicted people around me and I decided not to truly express what was going on because I didn't want my darkness to touch him because he had good loving parents and siblings and cousins who didn't have the kind of problems my siblings and cousins did. In my mind, at the time, I was trying to protect him because he seemed happy and kind and loving at least when I was with him and I didn't want to take away his happiness it turns out he went on a few years later to experiment with drugs. I still feel guilty that he went through things that I might have been able to talk him out of by just telling him what I indured, so I guess I agree with you on some level I just ment if you can clearly see that a person truly has loving relationships and is not going through what we went through why burden them with a knowledge of how dark the world truly is? On the other hand, I understand what you mean that if you can help someone you know is being abused in any way, you should tell them your story, and I would do the same in a heartbeat. I hope you understand my comment

[@sunnykim4791]

Calls her daughter a murderer then gets confused on why her daughter would think she’s not loved anymore. 🙄

[@seers2you]

Crazy right.❤

[@xxbexx_lynnexx]

I mean, tell them without telling them. "There is excess tissue attached to her uterine lining that is not being expelled properly. It's causing hemorrhaging and possible infection so needs to be removed manually through a medical procedure". No *explicit* lies, but vague enough to protect her privacy and possibly safety.

[@MrsPESLTutor]

Pediatric ethics is a very convoluted field, and this is a perfect example of that. The essential question being asked is "at what age does a patient's autonomy and privacy trump parental rights?" There are laws that help guide practitioners in these cases, but also a TON of gray area. Super interesting, from a cognitive angle

[@helenbrown6341]

My opinion on that question would be around age 13-14.

[@lennarthagen3638]

Donald Trump?

[@kim29817]

@@helenbrown6341 where i live you can basically do any medical procedure at 14 without consent (idk about the details, but i think a 14yo can walk up in any clinic or hospital and get care without the parents knowing. also, here the government pays for most of the hospital bills so child wouldnt really be afraid of parents finding out through bills or anything)

[@dietotaku]

It's not even about autonomy vs parental rights, the patient's life is at risk and that particular piece of information is not necessary to save her, in fact it could place her life further at risk. She has a uterine infection & these procedures are needed to clear out the tissue, the fact that the infection stems from an abortion is irrelevant. But that fact could very well cause the parents to refuse treatment or do a lot worse to her at home. There is zero reason to tell them.

[@karanhdream]

"There is no stipulated age of consent for treatment. A person under 18 years of age who is assessed and deemed capable of consenting to treatment (a mature minor) is allowed to make treatment decisions." That is for Canada, it's up to a doctor to determine if the patient is capable of deciding and most of the time, they respect the child's wish unless it puts them in danger or if the kid is not deemed capable of making the decision (usually the really young ones). I've known of situations where someone as young as 11 or 12 was allowed to make medical decisions. Like getting a blood transfusion even if the parents oppose on religious grounds or minor who wanted get vaccines and were saddle with antivaxx parents.

[@user-jpmorgab]

The dude doctor was wrong. Minor or not, confidential info is confidential info. If a patient tells you no, ITS NO.

[@taesthethicc3791]

no, if a minor then they have to tell the parents or guardian

[@tomtenisse823]

@@taesthethicc3791 Nope, not if it isn't life threatening.

[@taesthethicc3791]

@@tomtenisse823 no, in general the guardian has to sign/know consent for anything or sign their right away

[@tomtenisse823]

@@taesthethicc3791 I'm not sure what you mean. But for getting treated/prescribed with medication for non lethal/dangerous conditions you do not need parental consent - or even them knowing about it.

[@taesthethicc3791]

@@tomtenisse823 u need to let the parents know abt EVERYTHING before treating the child bc the kid is under their supervision

[@inodog5784]

If she's old enough to get herself pregnant, old enough to self abort, than she's old enough to have her doctors do as she wishes.

[@talkytabby2878]

"get herself" As if humans reproduce asexually

[@tiara4743]

Not really. Girls can get pregnant at any age (after having a period) even as young as 11 that’s doesn’t make it right or their choice, she self aborted because it was on the internet that had nothing to do with her age since the whole point of doing that was because she was too young to have one in her home state without parental consent

[@inodog5784]

I meant it as in her being a sexually active teen, accidents happen to responsible adults too. sadly the consequences are often left with the women to handle so I'm not prone to think of the Male in such situations. So yes, I'm aware she didn't magically impregnate herself.

[@nobodymatters3294]

She wasn't grown enough to tell her parents she was pregnant.

[@kaleido457]

@@nobodymatters3294 It might not have been safe for her to tell them. That doesn't mean she's not grown enough.

[@MizLaur]

Dr Choi has obvs never been a teenage girl with a super overbearing parent.

[@bleudiamondbleu]

Dr Choi doesn’t have an obligation to a patients feelings, he has an obligation to the law.

[@strawberrycherrybaby]

@@bleudiamondbleu the literal Hippocratic oath, dude. Doctors have more duty to their patients than anyone else.

[@hologilion2868]

@@bleudiamondbleu While doctors do have an obligation to the law, their primary obligation is their patient's physical, mental AND emotional well-being.

[@of_all_days]

@@bleudiamondbleuglad you’re not a doctor, you’d be ruining lives left and right

[@sbasu3922]

He was so insensitive

[@Imthevillaininyourstory]

I had a miscarriage @ 16 in the hs bathroom. Four days later I ended up in the er. Had to have a D&C never once did they say anything in front of my parents and they filed it under something different so that my parents wouldn’t find out. I’m 26 now and they still don’t know.

[@hamnchee]

What would have happened if your parents found out?

[@aminawarsame00]

@@hamnchee sometimes they’re kicked out

[@hamnchee]

@@aminawarsame00 In the end, living the truth is always better than living a lie.

[@aminawarsame00]

@@hamnchee sometimes it’s not. What will a teenager do if they’re kicked out of the house. They became homeless and get into drugs and end up the unthinkable

[@beejdude]

@@hamncheethat’s like 1000% not true at all lol. i’d rather lie and have a roof over my head than tell the truth and be possibly homeless. if you say you wouldn’t lie for safety, you’re being delusional.

[@anerdwithglasses7429]

Ethan is so innocent... parents have turned on their kids for getting pregnant as a teen and it's never good for anyone. If the teen is absolutely terrified of how her parents will act with that info you'd be better off listening. My parents were and still are the same way with young pregnancies or kids out of marriage because they are heavily religious. Their rage is why I stayed single till after highschool and college. I'm early 20s now and unmarried so still no kids for me...don't want that judgement in my life.

[@mary-janereallynotsarah684]

So true. Ethan is a self contradicting mess. As much as I love him.

[@SoraShadowdancer]

I interpreted that last sentence to mean that you want to be married and want to have kids but haven't because of your parents. You still have plenty of time to get married and have children, if that is what you want. You are an adult now. You are free to live your life any way you choose, even if your parents disagree. Also, know that women can have babies into their 40s. There's no rush. I wish you the best with whatever you decide.

[@MOBBTheRightWay]

Man I'm jealous. Early 20s with no kids. LIVE👏🏿YOUR👏🏿LIFE👏🏿

[@robertwomack6109]

You make a valid point. On the other hand, families have been torn apart by the death of a teenager whose parents never taught them not to drink and drive. I agree not every parent does a great job of parenting. People aren't perfect. But if we have serious doubts about the ability of adult parents to make reasonable decisions, what in the world makes us think a terrified 15-year-old could make such a call? The statistics clearly show that getting rid of a child you didn't plan on is frequently far more damaging in the long run than working through the challenges of an unexpected pregnancy and moving ahead with your life.

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

Kids shouldn't get pregnant. They make horrible decisions that are often not well thought out. They aren't mature enough. If you disagree with that maybe you aren't mature either and it's a good thing you're not a parent. Stop trying to make your parents out to be bad people because they have faith in something greater than them and they hold tight to their morals in a world that is destroying all morality. Watch Unexpected or Teen mom and come back and tell me these young girls and boys are ready to be parents. I'm 22 with a child and it's damn hard for me as an adult. Imagine being a teen in school. It's wrong not only for the teen but for the baby who is already being set up for failure.

[@HaloHighlightz]

I think the mom knows, by the way she keeps looking at the doctors. She at least knows there’s something going on that the parents aren’t being kept in the loop on. That actress’ nonverbal cues are on point!

[@katiejenkins4532]

Mom: "it's time we tell your dad the truth, Jenny!" Jenny: "you first Mom!" 😬🤯

[@mary-janereallynotsarah684]

Lol

[@ichigokurosaki8523]

Wait was this actually said in the show?!

[@Butterflier00]

jenny probably doesn't even know....

[@lizcollinson2692]

@@ichigokurosaki8523 no I don't think the doctors were going to repeat that.

[@Jenna1394]

LMFAO

[@unicornns88]

Ethan made me so mad here. Like I get he’s a doctor and all but he doesn’t understand what women go through with things like that. How scary it can be. Especially with this, they should have 100% respected her decision. There should be privacy laws when it comes to pregnancies and abortions for women of all ages (unless it’s very young girls then that’s a whole other thing)

[@victoriaherndon6857]

The parents just needed to give consent for the medication/dnc. Why? Without it she would just get sicker and sicker and could die at which point the doctors have to give her treatment even without parental consent. There is literally no logical point to telling the parents other than to shame her. What were the parents gonna do, say no just to torture her?

[@cultleader6977]

women ☕

[@dietotaku]

i don't see why they couldn't have explained the issue in technical terms without bringing up the abortion. "your daughter's retaining excess endometrial tissue which needs to be expelled before she develops endometritis. this pill should help her expel the infected tissue / the pill didn't work so we need to do a D&C to remove the infected tissue." all technically the truth without destroying the poor girl's life.

[@coloredpencils01]

@@dietotaku yes exactly. Thinking outside the box is sometimes necessary in order to do the right thing and protect the patient's privacy/wishes

[@AS-yz2iz]

Perhaps the parents could counsel her about how irresponsible it is to have sex when you're not ready to take care of the child which may be conceived? It would avoid any "situations" like this in the future.

[@m_d1905]

​@@dietotaku Exacty this. They would be coverd for liability and still orotect the patient. D & C can be necessary in non pregnancy cases too. Sometimes the cycle gets thrown off and all the uterine lining doesn't shed during a period and can remain causing a similar infection issue.

[@AnonymousG757]

If this was a real case, I’d be scared for the girl’s safety if the parents were told the truth. I used to be a trauma therapist and worked with adults who came from all sorts of abusive and awful childhoods. Often kids who get the best grades come from the worst families due to fear and control. Not all parents are capable of love. Some are only concerned for their kids as a future retirement fund. Many parents maintain a good public image of the perfect family dynamic but you never know what goes on behind closed doors. There are cases where daughters have literally been beaten to death… And if a child was that afraid, it indicates the parents are likely extremists. There are also kids who would rather die than tell their parents the truth about something… Also, I hope this case doesn’t scare anyone. There are many doctors out there who are aware and would help the patient and try to work through loopholes, because they have seen the devastating results of abuse/violence in hospitals. It’s awkward Dr.Choi would be that oblivious.

[@jessicacarlisle9160]

Where I live, from the age of 14 a teen can get gynecological, mental, and most other medical care without the consent of a parent. And it can all be done confidentially so the parents can not call in and gain access to the medical files. Major surgery must have a parent’s consent but they can even go to the ED for care without their parents.

[@AS-yz2iz]

And that's ridiculous. The parents have a right to know. It's their child and they have a legal and moral right to know what's going on with their own children. And how can they not know? Who pays for it? Is it billed under a different procedure? Because that sounds like insurance fraud to me. The parents can't know, but they can still pay for it? Yeah, nothing wrong there.

[@virginiaarthur5]

@@AS-yz2iz they’ll bill it as something else my friend in high school had to do birth control behind her moms back I drove her and the doctor came in clutch didn’t say a word

[@m_d1905]

​@@virginiaarthur5 It can be considered insurance fraud if they incorrectly bill the insurance company. If it's a cash only deal, I guess not much they can do. Improper billing is a form of fraud.

[@AS-yz2iz]

@@virginiaarthur5 Just curious as to why a child would "have to do birth control behind her mom's back? That's That's good thing? And to bill insurance fraudulently doesn't sound great either. What a mess.

[@chickenbreast7016]

@A S You'd be surprised how many parents won't give their child birth control cuz they're afraid of them having sex. In reality they're still gonna do it, just unsafely.

[@Sapphiresenthiss]

I can't even imagine how much one has to *FAIL* as a parent in order for their kid to be so afraid of them finding out... Not even my father, with whom I have a *FAR FROM PERFECT* relationship I wouldn't be afraid of in such a scenario. Ashamed - yes. Afraid, crying? No. With my mother, she'd be the first to know.

[@Nikki_81]

This is utter BS! The patient comes first. A child as young as 9 or 10 can ask for their parents to leave the room. Based on what the doctor who is in direct charge of the patient (and there is NEVER 2 ER doctors taking care of one patient, there isnt enough time or resources for that!) if the doctor in charge of the patient, deems them to be able to understand their choices and make a decision based on what they are told, the child can bypass the parents and make tbeir own choices! And since this girl is what, 17 as she states she is graduating, she is plenty ond enough to make her own medical decisions!!! I hate shows that pull BS for drama!

[@AS-yz2iz]

You have no idea about consent and minor child laws. Lol.

[@Nikki_81]

@@AS-yz2iz well funny, I work in an ER and I do know what we can and cannot do. There is no such thing as a "legal team" who makes decisions! Just like there is no such thing as a "director" who sits in an office and is a liason between the ER and that legal team! I do however know that we cannot deny a patients wishes, no matter their age! And if the doctor in charge of the patient MRP decides that a child, no matter the age, is able to make an informed decision on their own medical care, we do not need to tell their parents anything! We also do not need a parents consent to give medications or do tests. Even for the OR, if it is an emergency, they go to the or! If it is something where we have time, the doctor will chat with the patient about it and if they feel the patient understands the procedure and the need for it, no parent is needed. If the minor needs an adult to help them, it is their choice if the parent is the adult or if it is someone else! I work it every day in a major trauma center for my area! I say the same things over and over to patients family members, if the patient has not given consent for us to tell the person what is going on, even a parent, we respect the patient! They are our legal obligation, not the parent!

[@lov.2.g]

having 0 knowledge on medicolegal knowledge ...no point explaining ...also we dont need to tell the parents if the patient life is at stake at ER..its ER for a reason

[@madelyndale]

It’s a show, chill

[@m_d1905]

​@@Nikki_81 Honest question what happens when the child chooses over parents beliefs or wishes and the parents find out? Are they able to sue? What if the child is medically injured who is liable? There may be famiky medical history that coukd be missed. Yes I know it's an emergency situation and the docs make the best decision from limited information.

[@Gr_in]

In my country, when you're sixteen and you seem to be mature enough to be able to handle your own medical issues you are allowed to do so. Thanks to this, I got help for my anxiety and depression without my mothers knowledge since she never supported me in this.

[@ssansu]

Why are her parents there during the exam. That does not happen in real life.

[@nicolay1450]

Your correct. They wouldn’t be there.

[@alexisw8127]

I was 21 when I suffered a miscarriage… a miscarriage I hid from everyone in my life. It wasn’t until 5 months later that the truth came out after suffering a massive emotional breakdown…

[@strawberrycherrybaby]

You likely had postpartum depression and/or postpartum psychosis. I had the same thing after my losses. No one talks about it :/

[@heartsmyfaceforever8140]

If someone is that terrified of their parents knowing then respect that their life may actually be in danger .

[@Ebunoluwa13]

I really hate the whole bs 'I know yourself scared but they love you' talk. NO you DO NOT know. You cannot 'know' what parents are like more than the child🙄

[@heykayrenee_]

Whew that ending. 😬 talk about a plot twist.

[@Knottyp1ne]

legit came here to comment that

[@infinessia4019]

The amount of people in this comment section who argue about teen girls having to face the ‘consequences’ of sex make me sick. A baby is a HUMAN BEING, not a form of punishment, and for you to want to potentially condemn that innocent human being to a terrible life is honestly sick and immoral.

[@Redorgreenful]

That’s the correct take on this. Babies deserve love and nourishment, and to be born into a home where the mother didn’t want or isn’t ready to take care of it causes trauma.

[@CD-tc8dz]

That’s very kind of you to offer to adopt and care for these babies emotionally and financially.

[@infinessia4019]

@@CD-tc8dz I think you got the wrong comment thread.

[@oookoshka3734]

@@Redorgreenful you realize direct adoption exists, this does not justify killing another human life

[@oookoshka3734]

Then stop aborting them like they are punishment, they're not

[@patsyl5766]

Oh poor baby feeling like that. I have always said to both my children that they can tell me anything. Holding on to all that fear must have been awful for her. The mum did the right thing to help her.

[@gamero31o]

The nerve of that mother. Bringing up how abortion is bad yet she hid the fact that her husband is not the father and had been lying to him all this time.

[@khadijahabdullah852]

Nope this isn’t the truth the pregnancy is her emancipation of her privacy. And it’s a huge HIPPA violation of confidentiality! They needed to be careful with the case… this is crazy…

[@starlissa8255]

Wait wait wait so the girl got an abortion and now we find out that her supposedly father is not her father!?!😭

[@time2livelife]

Legally even minors have a right to privacy over their reproductive systems.

[@TheOddityFair]

I can see this from both sides. On the one hand, yes, they should respect the patient’s wishes, but on the other they have an obligation to tell her parents if it means saving her life. It was just a sticky situation to be in for everyone. As far as the abortion goes, the baby was already dead, she just needed to get the last of the tissue out. I may not agree w/ how she went about this, but what’s done is done. Being pro-life means wanting everyone to live, that includes the mother.

[@Commandotoad]

Thank you for at least being logically consistent.

[@qingyuli5460]

Funny how the cowboy guy and the other one ain’t here to debate your logical points.

[@TheOddityFair]

@@bumpbee98 Kind of what I meant. The abortion part was long done. This was a separate procedure.

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

Being pro life for me means the baby is priority above all else. Sorry. I don't take pity on grown folks or children who think they're grown. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@lilylovesanime17]

@readyfortheend your pro-forced birth then, not pro-life.

[@kashikkg9]

If the minor had the right to confidentially, this would let minors know that it would be safe to look for proper medical treatment. But if the minor sees that all information will be given to a legal guardian despite being against thier consent, then the guradians should not be surprised if the minor decides to take drastic measures by themselves to deal with thier issue (ie: back alley abortions, unsafe medication, unsafe medical procedures not done by professionals, suicide, etc). Not every parent is logical or supportive. Many are abusers, or due to certain beliefs would rather leave thier child in a dangerous state instead of making the proper choice. I would prefer my child to seek professional medical attention themselves instead of fearing of what could potentially happen if I was go8ng to be told something against to thiet consent, instead try something dangerous like try an unsafe procedure themselves. Minors should have the right to say no, especially in something that concerns thier own body/life. How can you call yourself a guardian if you are not willing to support or accept your ninor's decision? Having a guardian telling you what to do is not the definition of support. They are demanding a choice without taking the minor's perceptive. Or force them to go through with something they don't want to? How will that impact thier mental health? Thier adult life? Trust issues? Family relationships? Also all patients gave a medical record. If something happens latter on, a doctor can look at the record without needing to rely on the parent, especially if the parent doesn't have all the facts straight. What if the situation was reversed? What if the minor wanted to keep the baby and thew parents wanted the abortion? Would say that minor still has no rights to make thier decisions?

[@Vardalon]

No, nobody has the right to make somebody else undergo an abortion.

[@juresichj]

@@Vardalon And yet, it happens

[@raptorreagan2773]

“How can you call yourself a guardian and not support a minor’s decision.” That has got to be dumbest sentence I have read in this comment section. The same reason they don’t minors drink, do drugs, get implants, drive without a license, get a life altering surgery, or get married to an adult.

[@raptorreagan2773]

@@juresichj If it’s in the US, it wouldn’t be legal.

[@jeanm9521]

A major problem with not letting parents know is if there is any issues later they have no way of knowing what to do or how urgent it is to get specific treatment.

[@meinkanta]

As if parents give reliable medical history anyway, have you ever worked in healthcare?

[@jonathanfenton2601]

Here in NY we have some strange ethics laws regarding teenagers. At the age of 12 they are considered autonomous enough to not need parental supervision/permission for immediate emergency or ongoing clinical treatment. Not sure about the state of IL where Chicago is, I can only vouch for what we have going on here.

[@defunctdefunctdefunct]

@@jonathanfenton2601 It’s gillock competency.

[@choryllis6646]

That's why you put it in a medical record that the parents have no access too but is shared between doctors and different care facilities should the patient move or show up elsewhere.

[@AS-yz2iz]

@@choryllis6646 So, the doctor's have more of a right to their minor child's personal info than the parents? You're sick.

[@juliesheard2122]

My daughter had an abortion at 17, persuaded by her 52 yr old impregnator. He told her not to tell me as it would upset me as we had recently lost my husband, her father. I found out only when he dumped her by text message. 😢

[@naomimay82]

So sick!! 😮

[@noemiiii]

How is your daughter now, is she feeling alright?

[@big_and_bookish]

This is confusing, because I feel like both my doctor and mother told me that once you are about 16 HIPPA entitles you to medical privacy, even from your parents. My doctors would ask permission to share things with my parents. I’m surprised they legally had to tell her parents.

[@Kytti-not-kitty]

yes, but age of consent in indiana is 18 rather than 16

[@midnight_x_edits]

Hipaa laws start at 18 not 16

[@SandraBrewer-hd3yz]

Yes, doctors are supposed to help you. Not ruin your life.

[@SageWolf219]

I love how they slipped in a quant HCG (blood pregnancy test). And that brief look the docs gave each other. They had suspensions, but didn’t want the parents to flip out.

[@ellesandralady8596]

See god,if my future daughter is scared to tell me something I would fail as a mom. I would tell her that I will always be her mom no matter what

[@jamiemetzger1403]

It is important to have an open door policy with kids. No child should be afraid to come to their parents for help.

[@danishangold6076]

Ethan is the worst character I swear. He is so judgmental of everyone, including patients. And puts his own "moral highground" before the wishes and safety of his patients.

[@whatmyohmy]

Wow shocker! When the mother looked at her daughter in the room she already knew!

[@yangtzeling7468]

Outsiders should never presumed a parent's love for their child.

[@leila.7754]

Love how those not liking abortion cause it’s “murdering” are the same ones to not be protesting for better accessible birth control.

[@robertwomack6109]

Leila---I would agree with you on this point. I am completely opposed to any elective abortion on moral and ethical grounds. But do you really believe birth control is not accessible? Any female can go to any health department and get contraceptives. If you choose to have sex, that is your decision. If you choose to use or not use contraception, that is again your decision. But abortion is NOT birth control. And there are other options besides killing the baby in your womb. This girl clearly said she chose this because she wanted to go to college and saw having a baby as getting in the way of her plans. I don;t see how anyone can label that as anything but pure selfishness. It's all about her and the baby that resulted from HER choice is the collateral damage. That is wrong on every level and there is no way to defend it.

[@grylltheonion]

@@robertwomack6109 It's actually not that easy to get birth control, and not to mention that you need to educate them to use it correctly. Young teenagers are not known for thinking before acting.

[@Dani-rp2pf]

@@robertwomack6109​First of all, don’t say female when talking about this. It’s degrading. Second, I have lived in several places where birth control was not easily accessible or affordable. Third, sex ed needs to be mandatory for everyone in the country, I don’t care what your religion or personal beliefs are. Parents are dropping the ball and putting their kids at risk for more than just pregnancy by not talking explicitly about it. Fourth, it isn’t a baby. It’s a potential at best. Fifth, you’re right, abortion isn’t birth control. It literally never is and can’t be used as birth control. Sixth, there is nothing selfish about not wanting children or about aborting an unwanted pregnancy. Seventh, while in this situation she would likely be thinking of her future, there are many risks with pregnancy and those risks are so much higher before your early 20s. A potential will never be worth more than an actual person.

[@cococock2418]

Birth control is both free and easily accessible. The claim that it isn’t is a lie.

[@cococock2418]

@@grylltheonionit’s extremely easy to get it actually. Even free. Even as a minor. Stop lying.

[@stripedonyx]

I don't get why they couldn't just say that it was a miscarriage that didn't clear out all the way. That way she would still need the D&C but she wouldn't have to worry about the parents judging her for having an abortion.

[@elizabethjohnson8662]

All you have to do is read the comments here to see how some parents react to their precious babies having sex.

[@stripedonyx]

@@elizabethjohnson8662 I know parents don't want to think of their precious children like that but if they have to find out she's having sex anyway why not make it something that won't cause extra distress and judgment from her family?

[@juresichj]

It was the pregnancy that would be the problem. "Good girls" in fundamentalist families do not have sex.

[@stripedonyx]

@@juresichj Again, I know that her being sexually active was it's own thing, but the daughter was telling the doctors not to tell her parents she had an abortion because they were anti-abortion and she was scared they would hate her.

[@kathryncumberland]

This male doctor is completely out of line. "Doesn't he have the right to know?" Mind your own effing business. You're a doctor, not their marriage counselor or bff.

[@midnight_x_edits]

Doctors have laws to follow to just as anybody else does

[@kripapatwardhan637]

The worst part is that he keeps at it even after mom signed off! Like he’s not satisfied with PARENTAL consent, no, he specifically insists that it be PATERNAL consent! Yay patriarchy!

[@amysolley4268]

"But doesn't he have the right to know... As her father?" No. No, he doesn't. End of story. Wtf.

[@robertwomack6109]

Of course the father has a right to know. Geez.

[@grylltheonion]

You're crazy.

[@megansmallwood3409]

The mom crazy, and Jenny is not a murderer

[@RANDOM-KNIGHT145]

9:49 So adultery is fine, but pro choice ain’t? Got it

[@lillianpilto2377]

I don’t see why the doctors couldn’t just say “she has a cyst that is infected and may rupture, causing sepsis.” I had a cyst that was infected and made me utterly sick. Luckily it didn’t burst and it shrank with antibiotics, but that could explain to the parents all the bleeding and daughter’s reluctance to share with the father because it’s a purely female issue, could have come off as embarrassment.

[@sagittariushernandez8553]

I worked at Walgreens n let me tell u we were always out of that plan b .. it's scary

[@andreasanchez1453]

Plan B ?

[@CanadianPenguin_]

@@andreasanchez1453 It's a pill that can be taken the day after unprotected sex to prevent pregnacy

[@sagittariushernandez8553]

@Gi Gi in 2021

[@sagittariushernandez8553]

@Gi Gi I don't work there no more but I'd have to tell them we need more ha .. I feel it ur gana have sex where protection ....

[@rebeccaavern3251]

@@sagittariushernandez8553 I’m not sure if you’re aware, there is not a single form of birth control that is 100% effective and not to mention, if a person is taking a plan b, isn’t that considered a preventative measure? You can hardly spell and here you are passing judgment on those who use plan b. Lmfao.

[@ndrewraymond]

why was he so eager to put a young girl in danger lol

[@sayma8343]

men

[@ndrewraymond]

@@sayma8343 clock it

[@Vardalon]

Well apparently this year Illinois just repealed its abortion notification law for minors, meaning that they can now legally receive an abortion in Illinois without notifying a parent or guardian.

[@beautifulrainbow470]

Good

[@laurie113]

Thank God!

[@midnight_x_edits]

I hope they take away that law ASAP if your a minor your brain isnt fully developed enough to make those kinds of decisions

[@Vardalon]

@@midnight_x_edits Well usually the way people respond to that is "If somebody isn't mature enough to decide to have an abortion, why do you want them to have a child?"

[@Vardalon]

@@midnight_x_edits I don't see Illinois changing that law anytime soon, either.

[@aneshaelizabeth]

Oh, I just want to give Jenny a hug; this made me cry. Even though this is fictional, things like this happen often.😢

[@Riotingk9]

In my area, at the age of 13 any kid is able to make their own medical decisions if doctors believe they have thought it through completely, they weighed the options, and it’s not life or death.

[@lawrencefosterjenkins8216]

Weird thing to acknowledge but s/o to the show’s casting for finding a woman and girl who really do look like mother and daughter

[@clevergray8754]

"She's worried you won't love her anymore." "Oh good cause that's true. I hate the little murdering affair baby."

[@venusretrograde6177]

The mom really took that family secret and pulled a uno reverse on it.

[@catherinewilliams9680]

Given today's climate concerning reproductive rights, it's scary that a hospital now has to consult its attorneys before providing lifesaving medical care.

[@kookycoolauntkaryn5884]

Im sorry for every child who has ever had doctors go behind their back and tell their parents 😔 i know exactly what that is like.... and in 2022 things are only going to get worse... if anyone is ever a minor who is kicked out because of this situation I have been there... life will get better about 15 years later unfortunately.... THIS ISH SUCKS 💔

[@Shark-pj8in]

It sucks that you have to keep a secret, but for the safety of the child, it's honestly best. Parents like these are in the wrong. However glad the mom decided to help.

[@cheetavontiebolt9971]

So sad and backwards they could have lost their daughter do to stipid principles i am pro choice

[@readtheroom831]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@midnight_x_edits]

Pro life all the way ✌🏼

[@cheetavontiebolt9971]

Pro choice freedom is the right to choose

[@alaricsilver-lord2279]

She's like 16/17 right? I guess it's different in Illinois, but here in Colorado once a kid turns 16 the parents don't get to know anything unless the kid wants them to, even with basic care like annual checkups.

[@Kytti-not-kitty]

because parents staying in the room can still pressure their kids to tell them or guess things

[@cody4916]

That is bullshit. The government shouldn't be breaking apart the family and taking parental rights away. This is the main culprit of the declining western society

[@TimberlakeTigerGirl]

@@cody4916 If a 14 year old is considered old enough to drive and have a part time job during the summer. Then they are old enough to decide what medical care they receive regardless of the parents wishes. Ever thought about why a teen may want to withhold information from their parents? Maybe it's because the parents are judgemental and will make a big deal out of nothing. Or worse still, the parents are verbally, mentally or even physically abusive. A lot of times when teens ask for their parents to not know it's probably for good reason.

[@Scyths1]

The hypocrisy of the mother lmao. What a horrible person.

[@ceciliaeklund3604]

I have never understand this thing about other people thinking they have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body? Her body, her decision period!!

[@helenbrown6341]

With Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm afraid more and more of this unspeakable horror will be our norm.

[@midnight_x_edits]

It wont it just now leaves the issue up to the states sooooo you can pick apart your state leaders abt that instead of the federal government

[@sh4rkb4it]

idc. if i were a doctor, i’d risk my license before endangering a child that’s crying and begging me not to tell their parents about something like this.

[@anndownsouth5070]

There was one point where the parents were leaving the room and the mom had a look on her face, my first thought was "mom either knows or she will understand ".

[@Gamerafighter76]

Man, this whole thing is one messed up scenario with the daughter getting pregnant, aborting the baby, then we find out the mom carried someone else’s child. Much as I might not agree with this, it was the right thing.

[@NeuroEverything]

Dr Choi proves to be the world’s biggest AH YET AGAIN.

[@ianthe2131]

I do not get how the guy is so balled up in the idea of 'the law' that he insists on telling these parents even when their kid is *bawling* and telling him not to. "I think you're underestimating them." No bro, you are, because you've had all of five minutes to talk to them and it's pretty easy to act as vanilla concerned parents.

[@Comicsluvr]

I can appreciate that the docs know enough alphabet tests to rattle off that they can cover up the icky stuff when the parents are in the room.

[@lilylovesanime17]

So the mum is pro-forced birth because abortion is "wrong" and yet she cheated on her husband and still hasn't told anyone? 💀

[@GoneFishingAway]

@@lilylovesanime17 "pro-forced birth." What is that new phrase the the pro-choice use?

[@Quintus468]

that last line is a punch in the face

[@hellosophiatrang]

I was hospitalized at 15 once and I asked the doctor to get my mom to leave the room because I didn't want what the doctor and I discussed to be known by my mother because my mother has always been so controlling and judgmental of me. I'm 20 now and the doctor never told my mother what I told her. Pediatric medicine is so messed up in so many ways, but even if they are a minor, they should have the right to have confidentiality between them and their doctor, at least at a certain age.

[@erilove593]

Wow! She had an incomplete abortion, in a hipotetycal scenario, if the parents dont wanna do the procedure and want to take her home? They could?!

[@gabs3174]

Y'all are fighting in the comments over a parent's right to know medical info missing the biggest issue here & im looking at my 1 year old daughter thinking about what if she were to get pregnant underage & what kind of parent I am if she didn't feel comfortable coming to me...maybe if you want to know everything about your child, you should have a healthy close relationship with your child so you'd get important information from the source... your child. A child should be able to trust their parents, the girl in the clip did not. I want my baby to trust me so we'd never end up in a situation like this.

[@LadyCheshire95]

Your going to be an excellent parent from this statement alone. Welldone mama

[@gabs3174]

@@LadyCheshire95 Thank you! I appreciate that so much!

[@Kytti-not-kitty]

yes! thank you! my parents always made sure that while they had their own personal life choices and rules, that if i wanted to go against it that i was supposed to do so safely, like i had my first drink at home with a friend so i knew my alcahol limits, as well as my dad always told me that i could call him anytime of night for a pick up if it was stuck or upset at a party and he wouldnt be mad (he might be disapointed tho lol) and also my friends parents and my parents had an agreement that if i or my friends felt we couldnt go to our own parents for advice we could go to a friends parent for things like doctors/drug talk ect. it worked out really well.

[@just-tess]

mom totally knows when she sees the bleeding and the look between the docs - haven't finished the clip but I'm calling it, not that hard to put together

[@just-tess]

oh damn! I wondered if she had some firsthand knowledge, didn't call that though!

[@rachaeleigh]

This sucks because they both were right and they both were wrong

[@ashb7846]

Jeez, Dr. Choi, this girl doesn’t need the whole world knowing her business. She was finally willing to tell her mom and her mom agreed for the dad not to know. Even if he was her bio dad there’s no reason to add to the stress of the situation by letting him know too. One parent is aware, let her handle it!

[@samalvey8168]

With Roe vs Wade now repealed, we are likely going to see this scenario becoming distressingly more common.

[@Wodenseyes]

My niece is 9yo and I have full custody of her and her 15yo brother. If she ever feels that she couldn’t come to me if she got pregnant then I know I’ve failed. I have tried my best to make them know there is nothing on this planet they could do that I could ever hate them for. Thankfully my nephew trusted me enough to ask for condoms and was honest when he thought he was going to have his first time (thankfully the girl didn’t go thru with allowing it) and I was able to educate him on safety and explain that it wasn’t a good idea but if he was going to do it that there are risks and serious consequences. I hope by the time Lissy is this age she’ll come to me too when she’s ready. I’m horrified to imagine what could happen if she goes into this blind.

[@runsoncaffeine]

If you ever feel scared to tell your parents anything, let it be known that it's not your fault as a child but probably the fault of the parent.

[@reginafallangie2867]

Well well well…look who’s throwing stones, straight up from her very own glass house!!

[@sleepl0l]

Manning would lose her license in a year max, who would ever accept a doctor that only follows the law when she wants to

[@kaylapowell8374]

The whole time watching this I’m like she know that mom knows

[@dreamiinotdream730]

So abortion bad but passing off a child as your husband’s when she’s not, good? Glad to see her mother’s priorities are in check.

[@fredaf3700]

It's a pity that this isn't streaming anywhere I have access to. What ultimately happened, did the dad find out, both truths, and what was the conclusion to the episode?

[@alycespencer453]

Netflix

[@fredaf3700]

@@alycespencer453 Ah nope, not on Netflix, I just checked.

[@giselleb5499]

It’s on Peacock and I think some eps are free but idk if this one is

[@fredaf3700]

@@giselleb5499 Here's the scoop, only the two newest seasons, 7 & 8 are on the NBC app free, everything else is on Peacock under Premium. Since this season 4, I think, it's beyond my ability to access.