Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness Spoiler REVIEW

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Today J and Ben dive into Doctor Strange's wild Multiverse of Madness and give their full spoiler review of Marvel’s latest addition to the MCU!
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[@simonandriessen8761]

Dr.Strange not winning but still saving the day is kind of a staple of his MCu version though, right? Didn't beat Dormammu outright, but could keep on losing forever, didn't beat Thanos outright, but guided the Avengers to the solution, and now, didn't beat the Scarlet Witch outright, but convinced her to stop.

[@mitchellconner6928]

which draws another parallel to Tony. Not with the never winning a fight, but in the sense that the lesson everyone says they need to learn, they've always had within them. Caps "You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play" has the same exact impact to me as Ancient One's "It's not about you" or Christine's "You always have to be the one holding the scalpel."

[@youtubeSuckssNow]

@@mitchellconner6928 for sure. Which in my eyes makes sense. Since the sorcerers on earth are to defend earth rather than attack. It seems much more in line with him.

[@nenmaster5218]

What a disjointed Mess of a Video, even if we ignore the silly Rules of Magic.

[@j.asmrgaming1228]

@@youtubeSuckssNow as well as the fact that with dormamu it's a being far above the power of anyone in the MCU at this point, and Wanda had a huge power amplification from reading the darkhold. most other heroes have fairly straightforward powers. Magic has the benefit of being limited mainly by your imagination which allows for a lot more creative solutions.

[@mitchellconner6928]

@@nenmaster5218 I mean, it's just a conversation about their thoughts on the movie, so, yeah. Not really meant to be a scripted professional review

[@BrockSamsonite]

If you look closely at the book of vishanti in the movie before it burns up. Strange sees the page and it has America's star emblem on it. This is what leads him to realize he needed to learn to trust her because the book said she was the solution.

[@sphoenix41]

Wow! Ima go look right now cause thats pretty awesome

[@NerdyBernie66]

I saw that on my second viewing. It was like the book was telling Strange that they already had everything they needed to win.

[@LordMooshroom]

I'm not sure that actually improves things to be honest

[@Spectre033]

Exactly. @ vulcanmushroom it's what shows what makes our strange the best strange, and how he isn't "holding the knife" he let's her hold the knife and trusts her

[@Natedagreat598]

I was starting to wonder if I was the only one that saw this and came to this conclusion.

[@myfimap2368]

I did appreciate the easter egg of Christine coming up with that vase/cannon thing and knowing how to use it. When Strange first fought Kaecilius in the NY Sanctum, he's frantically grabbing for something that could be a weapon and comes up with the same (or very similar) vase. Kaecilius is afraid, but then realizes Strange doesn't know how to use it. Good tie in. :)

[@Skylerrelyks93]

Good catch!

[@BartdeBoisblanc]

I did notice that when I saw it.

[@cheriberry3]

🤣 thanks for pointing this out!

[@robertbrookes2000]

I only noticed that because I rewatched Doctor Strange the day before I saw the sequel.

[@samrameker2753]

I thought Elizabeth Olsen was absolutely fantastic. She played the character perfectly, a mother who is denial about what she is doing, and she is also very creepy. This and WandaVision have turned her into one of my favorite characters, definitely top 5.

[@knifekirby]

I didn’t like that she’s portrayed as a villain so often. I wish it would’ve been Chthon maybe controlling her as the true villain so she could’ve been saved and then she could’ve maybe got everything she lost.

[@samrameker2753]

@@knifekirby I get that but I also feel like her character is supposed to be a tragic story.

[@graceholbert2126]

This movie totally ruined her arc, though! She went from teetering on the edge of baddie to full-blown horror movie monster in an instant! And then they killed her off! 0/10 character handling shame on you Sam Raimi

[@samrameker2753]

@@graceholbert2126 A. I’m don’t think she is actually dead, or at the very least that we’re done with her character B. The reason that she turned evil was due to the corruption of the dark hold so I think it is justified. You may disagree and that’s fine but I had no significant issues with her character

[@graceholbert2126]

@@samrameker2753 I know it was supposed to be the Darkhold, but I wish there had been more visualization of that bc it really just felt more like the movie wanted her to be scary. And yes, agreed, she'll come back at some point. She's too popular a character not to.

[@BlackPearl27]

I felt like the movie was including "What if...?" elements. The zombies, the corrupted strange, the multiverse, the tragic love story. CAPTAIN CARTER. I thought it was a way to cement the ideas of "What if...?" and join them in a single narrative. Heck, even in a part of "What if...?" Wanda is kind of a villain.

[@sophievelthuizen9530]

So many references! When Strange and Chavez are 'falling' through the different universes, one of them is even animated, just like the "What if...?" series. Wanda chasing them through the tunnels, she looked exactly like her zombie version. Dr. Strange with all those arms was also the exact same image as his corrupted version in "What if...?". The Avengers being killed by a serial killer, with the Iluminati this is actually happening. Is "What if...?" considered canon or not? I really would love a SCB-video about that linked to the Multiverse of Madness.

[@AzureRoxe]

A couple of the powers Strange uses in the movie are also very clearly inspired by powers he uses in What If.

[@sisi7304]

@@sophievelthuizen9530 another one: Sinister Strange is a direct reference to Strange Supreme in What If, with the third eye and other non human parts as well as darkhold usage & longer goatee/beard

[@SitirioTV]

In my mind, the dark hold was the actual villain. I feel like in Wandavision it was all Wanda but in multiverse of madness it felt like she got completely corrupted by the dark hold. And the movie highlighted several times that the dark hold has a great impact on it's owner.

[@k0pstl939]

I hope that the consequences of Dr strange's use will be explored in future projects

[@justinjyeung]

I feel this, and it makes me think, Wanda is a mother, but Scarlet Witch is the monster

[@ethanwatson6131]

well we know how raimi feels about books so wouldn’t be surprising

[@Skylerrelyks93]

@@dailycupofizzy that was a different universe’s Wanda tho

[@SitirioTV]

@@justinjyeung exactly

[@tamirgolan6852]

26:25 my theory is that she dreamt about billy and tommy, her kids from a different reality that are real and have a dad that is not vision, and in Wandavision when she wanted to have kids she just created what she saw in her dream

[@Doooshty]

This actually makes a lot of sense

[@carpenterd1]

Exactly!

[@andreacalvillo353]

Prob am alternate universe wonderman was the father and 838 wonderman maybe died from thanos leaving Wanda a single mom

[@philip5513]

I honestly loved the limp. I think it emphasized the horror of her recklessly abusing another person's body.

[@AdamIshak01]

I’m surprised no one is really referencing how Wanda came out of reflections the same way the girl from the Ring does.

[@beast6213]

the limp was a great creepy touch and emphasized her determination because she’s got Glass in her Feet but i just kept wondering “why isn’t she flying?”

[@sofiadragon6520]

@@AdamIshak01 Frankly, an indoor area randomly having puddles of water with no overturned containers it could have come out of on a clear day without rain... Wanda's escape from the mirror dimension looked cool but made no sense and had no consequences. You could cut that whole section and lose nothing. It isn't like Wanda has that creepy re-formation healing power at any other point in any story she is in - and certainly not in this movie.

[@rachelmcnally8144]

Was she not being possessed by the Darkhold from the post credit of Wandavision to now? Like, Wanda learned her lesson but the Darkhold has shown her that it is possible to have it all and show her how to do it so she goes on the quest now that she's been shown a new way?

[@Theoneandonlyenelie]

that was also my understanding

[@drewmartin3689]

This is how I was thinking, and I was also thinking that the darkhold greatly enhanced her powers which helped her wipe the floor with the Illuminati

[@brandonguzman2503]

@@drewmartin3689 yes and no. Wanda would’ve been able to kill them even without the Darkhold. She managed to hold back Thanos with 5 infinity stones active with one hand while destroying the 6th with her OTHER hand. She’s wildin lol

[@roofdogblues7400]

@Latest Obsession You got me brain storming, so I'll take a stab at it. "The weird thing about all this is, why doesn’t she just create the hex again so she can bring back her boys when she can seemly do just about anything she can think of?" I haven't watched the show, but I have heard about it and seen some scenes, and I'm pretty sure the hexed town was discoverable and interfered with by the outside. Also she was being tricked by Agatha, and it's harder to trick yourself when you're creating the façade. Especially after you've learned there are real versions in other universes, no point in settling for fake when you can have the real thing. "Additionally why isn’t she able to open a portal herself??" It's not in her power set. And portals to where? Not even Doctor Strange can open portals to other universes. But she seems to have no issue being able to travel quickly, so she doesn't really need 'em anyway. She did use a mirror like a portal once in the movie. "Also why not choose a multiverse where her boys exist and that version of Wanda has died so she isn’t needing to kill anyone???" She probably doesn't die while her boys are still children in any universe in which she had children. She may only die some time after they've fully grown in every universe. And since she's not a time traveler, she can't choose when, she can only choose where. "Finally why not just ask America Chavez to find that place for her????" She said why she wanted the power for herself in the movie. Just having America do it for her would not give her any future safety net. Also, the dark hold had hold of her, and it makes those it has a hold on, crave more power. People that crave something usually take it if they have the power to, instead of asking and potentially being told "No!", in which case she'd be back at taking it by force, so why bother wasting time asking.

[@lilbrownbear]

yeah she WAS being corrupted by it. if you calculate the timeline, wanda has been reading the darkhold for a YEAR now since that WV post credit scene and now in DSMOM

[@A.Filthy.Casual]

The movie's director, Sam Raimi, was also the director of the original Evil Dead movies-- so he included a lot of call backs to it in style and in reference. Christine's corny one-liner was a callback to those movies; as was Strange cursing the pizza man to have his hand attack him-- which calls back to that same actor's character in Evil Dead 2 being cursed in the same way.

[@alanchen7421]

guess the CarlinBros are not familiar with his past work. so is it consider a parody if its a ref to your own past work lol.

[@nenmaster5218]

What a disjointed Mess of a Video, even if we ignore the silly Rules of Magic.

[@CubbieBlue902]

They mention Evil Dead, but their entire review would indicate that they are completely unaware of Evil Dead and the genius of it. Very disappointed in the ignorance in this review.

[@ethanwatson6131]

there was a shot of Strange on the balcony at the wedding with the classic raimi camera work and it instantly made me think of Evil Dead 2 just off of that. There are less subtle examples of Raimi’s camera style but that one made me appreciate how distinctive it is

[@kerahbundy5705]

@@CubbieBlue902 My thoughts exactly.

[@maddiem5064]

i totally agree that it felt like shang chi was missing! i kept thinking about where he would be now, especially since they went with wong after his movie. i feel like this would have been a great moment of integration for his character to further him into the universe as they build up the new phase. calling him in for help at the temple would’ve been a nice cameo moment and time for him to show off his powers (without dying)

[@sphoenix41]

Actually I believe that her stabbing the book wasn't just stabbing the book because she burned up to a crisp turned into a rocker whatever and ended up sacrificing her life to destroy the book so it wasn't just stabbing the book killed it it was her life being given to destroy the book so it required a sacrifice to actually be destroyed and that sacrifice was alive A life

[@axman6815]

This is a sentence

[@husaynbootwala1729]

@@axman6815 lol

[@mrdavman13]

In the comics it is stated what you do to the dark hold gets reflected back. So killing the book was reflected with chaos magic and killed her

[@sofiadragon6520]

@@mrdavman13 I would like my big budget movies to contain all the necessary information to enjoy them and not need a wiki to tell me the Sokovia Accords include civil rights violations or that destroying the Darkhold would have specific consequences. Lots of people that don't have Disney+ had no idea what the Darkhold was or where these kids came from. Yes, build on the other movies, but they can't expect movie audiences to have seen all of the TV shows that only exist beyond a paywall.

[@elagea5617]

The darkhold was written for Wanda to bring her to her most powerful form. The Scarlet Witch was “created” by Cthon to be his way into this reality. All versions of Wanda have the power to be the Scarlet Witch and the Darkhold allows Cthon to take over who ever uses it. Mt. Wundergore is where the veil is the thinnest and Cthon granted “Wanda” his chaos magic and drew her to the darkhold so she would take over everything including the Multiverse, go to Wundergore so she could eventually free him. The darkhold is a copy of the power of Mt. wundergore. So every multiverse with a Wanda, has a darkhold copy to temp her into giving in. The reason there was only one book of Vishanti was because there is ONLY one America Chavez. She is natures answer to the fearsome power of the Scarlet Witch. Her opposite! The ying to her yang. Dr. Strange watched so many versions of him fail to SAVE America Chavez which is why he realized she is the tool, not necessarily her power. America shows Wanda her heart and Cthon’s hold on her wasn’t powerful enough yet to let her see what she had become with Cthons power and chose to destroy it.

[@Valiente350]

Very good summary!

[@Acromion11]

2 macguffins are better than 1 I guess

[@stephsman51]

Well Wanda Vision pretty much showed that Witches could absorb others powers. Agatha did it to the covenant and to Wanda. What If showed Dr Strange could absorb the powers of those creatures he found in the other dimensions to try to get powerful enough to stop Christine from dying.

[@christianrothfus]

Pretty sure that Dr. Strange actually absorbed all of the creatures in What If. He didn't just take their powers, he absorbed all of them into himself. Could be wrong, but that's what it seemed like to me.

[@stephsman51]

@Latest Obsession so the runes as explained by Agatha and reiterated by Wanda in WV is that the runes only serve as a sort of limiter meaning only the witch whom cast the runes can use their magic within the area the runes cover. The runes themselves don't give the ability to absorb other magic but only keeps any other witch/wizard (assuming lol) from being able to use or cast any spells within said area.

[@10Raccoon]

And even further back, Mordo did it in one of the post credit scenes of the first Doctor Strange movie. He stole the magic of that guy that was using it to walk again.

[@asteroid11]

The Zombie Strange pep talk scene and make up is an homage to Sam Raimis old movies. He always uses prosthetics like that and puts in really goofy dialogue, thats his signature

[@JahanMisra]

@@switchgear100 if you look at him after he’s stabbed and after he dies you can see the demon made him start decaying already. so it wasn’t natural decay

[@Doooshty]

Classic Rami

[@mark-anthonylynch11]

Having not seen WandaVision, I can say that the way that the movie was written gave enough info to make Wanda clearly appear different from her last appearance within the MCU, but made her turn to evil feel kind of hollow and that it was only the dark hold that made her turn crazy. The writing kinda made it feel like the hex was made by the dark hold to corrupt her mind, rather than being made by Wanda herself to live her fantasy. Still a good movie

[@Hadeks_Marow]

Hex happened b4 dark hold. Dark hold is what ended the hex.

[@mark-anthonylynch11]

@@Hadeks_Marow I understand that now, but going into the movie not knowing that WandaVision WAS a hex, it made it seem that the dark hold planted false memories into Wanda's head to make her easy to corrupt.

[@chrisdelisle3954]

Ooh. Gotta watch Wandavision. It's a fantastic series and if you didn't love Elizabeth Olsen already, you'll love her (and Wanda) by the end.

[@nopressure6986]

I think the point is just that people probably shouldn’t have to buy a streaming platform that the show was on to understand the movie later on in theaters. But yeah, she went insane way before she got that book.

[@Valiente350]

Yes totally. The corruption of the Darkhold makes sense. It would have been a little easier for viewers overall to see a bit of her downward spiral to tie in at least the mental depression and desperate obsession.

[@FoxxyPenguin48]

I’ll probably burn for it, but when America yeeted her moms into another dimension because she got scared of a bee, I laughed soooo hard. It was supposed to be so serious and sad, but like, a bee? For real? It literally could have been anything else.

[@AdamHenley00]

I have seen girls scream and run in fear from bees before

[@Bradon_Ray]

@@AdamHenley00 yeah but like imagine accidently getting rid of your parents because a bee scared you.

[@joshuastomlin878]

I did the exact same thing. I felt awful, but I couldn’t stop laughing. it was the funniest origin sad story I had ever seen

[@angelaphsiao]

I actually like it bc that means there’s no villain for her to want justice or vengeance upon to get her parents back. It’s just her, having powers she doesn’t understand, which caused that to happen.

[@AdamHenley00]

@@Bradon_Ray Well it was the first time it had happened, she didn’t know

[@theperfectshot1110]

When Wanda attacked KamarTag, the Sorceror Supreme did NOT cast a single spell. That battle was very disappointing. Wanda should have won the battle, but they should have easily put up a good fight.

[@christianrothfus]

Yeah it seemed a bit weird to me as well. It seemed like almost everyone who was there except for Wong, Strange, and Chavez died, but at the end of the movie there was a ton of people there helping to rebuild it. I believe they even said Wanda would face "the full power of Kamar Tage" (idk how to spell it) so it doesn't really make sense how it was already repopulated with people again. Maybe I missed something, but I agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense.

[@solounwapodemuchos]

Wanda was being “reasonable” against the small fries

[@angelaphsiao]

I guess Wong did tell the sorcerers to run, so maybe a bunch of them got out and were able to return once she was neutralized? But the movie really made it seem like she had murdered or mortally wounded everyone.

[@Evan_L]

Agreed. We're all magic users here, but quick get out the bows and arrows and cannons! And quick, activate the gungan shield! This is the best we can do?

[@Valiente350]

I thought there was also a good, quiet comparison between Wong and Strange as Sorcerer Supreme. How many times were Strange's decisions during Infinity War questioned? He made the tough call with the best outcome for the universe while Wong (understandably so) gave up the location of the Darkhold carvings to save a few magicians.

[@ethanwatson6131]

I don’t think Wanda was fully remorseful after Westview. She was justifying it up until her kids and vision were upset. She halfway resolved her problems but the Darkhold brought her lingering grief all the way to the surface.

[@jadepinnock]

Fr

[@matthewvillegas3622]

The campier moments that you guys mentioned are a mark of Sam Raimi, especially his Evil Dead series. That is just something a lot of people will appreciate and others will not.

[@mattmccleskey9598]

Exactly what i was saying Iove sami raimi cornyness

[@ChocolateKieran]

Came here to comment the SAME thing! A lot of the criticism is just of the Sam Raimi style of horror so far

[@mattball8622]

The whole bit where they talked about zombie parody I was just thinking: 'tell me you haven't seen Evil Dead without telling me you've seen Evil Dead', haha. That said, I loved that stuff BECAUSE I love Sam Raimi, but I don't know how well that translates if you aren't a fan of his (although it is sort of ironic in a meta way that in a movie about multiverses, there are aspects that you might miss unless you're at least vaguely familiar with an entirely different set of movies from decades ago).

[@MidoriNatsume]

I think the Raimi tone clashed a lot with what we have seen soo far with the Characters of the Marvel Movies. In the 3rd act it tries to make Strange look like Ash, doing thing like dissacranting the dead and breaking laws of reality because it's cool, but that's not Strange's character. Ash's awesomeness can't be replicated just by copying his stile.

[@curlysue1134]

@@MidoriNatsume Strange has always been up for breaking and bending the rules. He did so when he was a sorcerer in training and in No Way Home. So that at least still is in character.

[@simonandriessen8761]

For some reason, this felt more comic book-like than any MCU before, aside from mayyybe Endgame? They just dared to go over the top and stretch your suspension of disbelief further and further, but I am all for this choice. There's more campiness, they're less and less movies and lean in more to the comic book origin of these stories. This movie felt less... played safe. Less blockbuster formula, even with all the action and effects, they felt more like the medium to show of there outlandish characters, powers and beings than to show off the effects themselves. Its like they now are no longer so proud of the cgi, it has become common. If the cgi is the paint and the scene is the painting, it felt like before they were both showing off the quality of the paint and the art of the painting , and now everyone expects the paint to be good, they're just painting with it, and nothing else. This might be a very personal experience though.

[@savannahjones123]

Except i felt like the CGI/lighting was terrible in huge portions of the film. Maybe I need to rewatch some of the old things like the first doctor strange to compare. But this felt significantly worse that pretty much anything thats come before it.

[@sadngroovy]

I completely agree because I kept on leaning to my dad and whispering “this was from the comics!!”

[@haleystrauss4547]

From my understanding, the one-eyed monster was more difficult to defeat than expected because it had runes on it which may have granted it more protection, so it would have a better chance to get America for Wanda

[@cosmicriptid]

I think Wong suggesting Dr. Strange take America's power was way out of character. I think it should have been Steven who thought of it and wrestled with himself, then when America told him it was okay he realized she should have the chance to make that decision, that he had to trust both Wanda and America, or that killing America after doing everything to save her wasn't worth it, he couldn't fix things this time, he had to let go.

[@cosmicriptid]

@@timotheninja Hmm you do have a point. However first I do think he said that to Stephen to scare him, and since America was a child he was protecting, I still think it was a little bizzare, but I agree he is somewhat willing to make sacrifices. Oh also he brought Wanda to Mount Wundagore to save those sorcerors. I think the movie was just clumsy.

[@tux75]

Man that scene with Morbius jumping out of the portal while saying his famous line, “It’s Morbin time” was a masterpiece. It really made me think why the political economical status of our world correlates with Morbius. Truly a masterpiece

[@nib1448]

That’s Dr. Michael Morbius (Marvel Legend) to you

[@hellothere2052]

Dr Michael morbius (morbvel legend): in the morbiverse of morbness

[@AWindy94]

My theater only had Morbius in theaters for 2 weeks cuz it's super small so I missed it 😭

[@PeterGriffin11]

Considering how obsessed and reliant Marvel movies have become with cameos I couldn't tell this was a joke until you called Morbius a Masterpiece.

[@brandonw2885]

@@AWindy94 It's a shame because it's such a good movie. Hopefully you'll be able to see it before 2 Fast 2 Morbius comes out in 2024.

[@spin.chicken]

I want a Scarlet Witch movie where we see Wanda really struggle with the things she's done. But slowly come back to the 'light' as a true hero.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

I'm fairly certain Wanda's dead, but that would be cool.

[@jasminewhitehead1752]

Don't contact that number above. It's a scam.

[@spin.chicken]

@@jasminewhitehead1752 If I contacted that number above, I deserved to be scammed.

[@spin.chicken]

@@coolnerdlll6053 I have a feeling they wouldn't kill her off like that. However, I concede to the possibility of it.

[@death_au]

WandaVision Season 2

[@benjiriley5432]

Although the book of McGuffin was destroyed, Strange saw a page burn up and on the page was a star and that was what told him that America Chavez was the key to defeating her. That is why he didn't take her power but encouraged her in taking control of it. It wasn't meant to be one of those Hallmark movie moments; it was "the only way."

[@alexknj1]

Dormammu wasn't trapped in a time loops, Doctor Strange was. Dormammu existed beyond time, so he was just killing Doctor Strange over and over again, which wore him down untill he agreed to not attack Earth.

[@ryancarrell3186]

@Latest Obsession the point is, the tie loop was broken at the end. That was part of the deal.

[@Hadeks_Marow]

Ok, to explain your confusion: All the other wandas we saw in the movie. . . of those wandas, ONLY OUR wanda read from the darkhold (that doesn't mean there aren't others who have as well). The darkhold's purpose is to force the user to have a hunger for power. This in turn makes our wanda more powerful than ANY version of her that HASN'T read from the darkhold (which is supposedly what makes her the scarlet witch). It's also worth mentioning that OUR wanda only ENDED the hex BECAUSE of her fight with the PREVIOUS owner of the darkhold. The hex being what kept her "kids" alive. The movie also seemed to try to link the scarlet witch title with the dark hold. So no, I don't think it's a singularity. It's just that we happened to be from a universe where these elements collided where they didn't in the other universes we saw (or atleast, not on comera anyways). IT COULD BE ARGUED that because the other wandas never had their darkhold event, their hex never ended and they are still in their own House of M storyline.

[@AzureRoxe]

WandaVision made it VERY clear that Wanda is the Scarlet Witch even without the power of the Darkhold, she even flatout defeated Agatha who WAS empowered by it.

[@Hadeks_Marow]

@@AzureRoxe I know, the show tried to say one thing, but this film tried to suggest something else. All you gotta do is look at the darkhold mural. :/ Needless to say, I think there might be A SMALL LEVEL of conflicting writing here.

[@calvinwright2214]

@@Hadeks_Marow it could be that the power of the Scarlett Witch and the power of the dark hold stem from the same place

[@Hadeks_Marow]

@@calvinwright2214 Something like that. I was coming from a perspective of "it looks like they are intended to be together, like 2 aspects of a matching set" where that set didn't come together in every universe but did happen to come together in the universe that we are following.

[@ConstantReview]

It's Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness (MOM)

[@survivordave]

1) One interesting thing is that the last visible page in the Book of Vishanti before it's destroyed has a star on it, which I think tipped Strange off that he already had exactly what they needed to defeat Wanda, America Chavez. 2) Wanda was dreamwalking while the sorcerer stabbed the book. She had very little awareness/ability to protect the book in our universe while her mind was possessing 838 Wanda. (Remember that Strange needed Christine to guard his body while he dreamwalked)

[@Cameraman407]

An interesting theory that I heard from another KZbinr (can't remember who) is that 616 Wanda subconsciously saw into an alternate reality where Billy & Tommy existed, and when all the stuff with the Hex went down, she created them based on this reality.

[@bethswan]

I wonder if Strange couldn't defeat the octopus alien thing as easily as thought because it was sent by Scarlet Witch- as in he said it was a different kind of magic.

[@thebiggoodwolf2815]

The book of Vishanti is from the comic books, written by the ones who give Dr. Strange his power. So yes, it is a mcguffin, but it’s also comic accurate. Remember, this is based on comics, not real life. Love your content, love hearing your opinions!

[@carlos_12074]

I don’t think Wanda just didn’t learn anything from Westview, I think she was taken over by the Darhold. When Professor X went into her mind, she was trapped. It wasn’t until she used the darkhold that she was overcome with this evil. Also killing one person to be with your family is objectively better than imprisoning and torturing a whole town. And I doubt she had pity for the sorcerers because not only was she being controlled, but they weren’t helpless like those at Westview.

[@mrdavman13]

The Wanda that was trapped in her mind was 838 Wanda being held captive. The one that killed X was the scarlet witch, who only exists once.

[@carlos_12074]

@@mrdavman13 I hadn’t realized that, thank you.

[@bigfoot12118]

it was weird that a lady with a sheild was able to last almost the longest against wanda

[@silver9wolf6]

Must be a Cap thing, Steve is kinda the same against Thanos, catching the gauntlet. I also wonder if the attackers leave them for last because they don't look as powerful :P

[@spideyN8R]

It is because she can do this all day.

[@h1rambab3]

The squeel I made with Cap Carter saying " I can do this all day". I love my Caps.

[@silver9wolf6]

@@h1rambab3 haha, same!

[@blakewalsh9489]

Probably hard for Wanda to take seriously lol. Though to be fair, in "What If" Cap Carter is beastly powerful in terms of feats.

[@SarahBaird-io2tn]

My main gripe was that Wanda just didn’t care about Vision at all.... I agree that was REALLY weird.

[@ethanwatson6131]

@@switchgear100 It’s still Wanda but a Wanda intoxicated by the Darkhold. She mostly got over her grief with Vision but her kids were a fresh wound which the Darkhold amplified. I also think subliminally she knows Vision will always see through her deceit and selfishness but the kids are easier to manipulate to fill the hole in her heart.

[@Doooshty]

She had CLOSURE with Vision. She didn't with her kids. They were taken before she was given that chance.

[@Markcrazeer]

she let go of vision in wandavision. they are now divorsec/separated but as a mother it is all about the kid that is the mothers job. women are not defined by whether they have kids or not, but having kids corrupts, losing them corrupts absolutely, and getting the chance to get them back is the moral black hole. it just depends on how close you are willing to go to that event horizon.

[@Alice-hj2bv]

Me too! Why wasn’t she looking for him in the multiverse along with the kids?

[@robertbrookes2000]

Agreed, felt strange that she name dropped him when Doctor Strange asked her about the multiverse. Then he was never mentioned again. If she's tempted by the dark hold to have back whatever she wants, then why wouldn't she want Vision back? Also who's Billy & Tommy's dad in the other universe? Just some random guy? And one more thing, no hint at where the white vision (with his memories restored) which is basically just normal real vision, was during the entire film. Did he not try and find Wanda at all?

[@Treeslawood]

One thing that I was confused about is that Wong says that The Scarlet Witch can warp reality. Why didn't she just warp reality to have her kids???

[@jaimeclara8667]

I think the explanation we’re supposed to go with was when Agatha said that her spell was flawed from the beginning. But yeah, I’m also hoping we get an explanation to why she can’t just like make a new spell, which would seem like the most logical thing to do

[@ce1825]

i think since her power is “warping” reality as opposed to creating new things she would have to use the bodies of other people and hurt them like she did in wandavision. plus i think she was determined to have her real kids, not just like brainless husks for children

[@JordanSedai]

I mean it definitely seems to me like part of her Chaos magic is that she can literally just create matter. She also is very talented at warping things that already exist. But Billy, Tommy, Vision, and her house came from nothing but her mind. It makes sense to me that they were linked to the amalgamation of spells she was casting within the hex, which is why they were bound to it. But I just don’t see why she couldn’t create them again as a single spell that isn’t connected to a hex that is unethical to keep up. Yes, they might be different versions of her kids. But so were the alternate-universe versions that she was trying to kidnap in this very movie. Maybe you could see them as illusions she’s projecting, but I just don’t know what to think about it all because there are conflicting perspectives on what she did. Monica said they were definitely real. Some other people have said they weren’t real. But they do seem to be real and persist outside of a hex in the Illuminati-universe, so who knows.

[@tonylozano1728]

She can’t create new matter, it only worked with her kids in the hex

[@TiTo0407]

Maybe she could have, but the reason why she hunted America wasn't to get to her kids in the first point, but to gain power. That is, what the dark hold wants from her and it uses the grief for the kids to control her.

[@tommydevito4105]

Ok so Tom Cruise supposedly being in the movie, the head writer of the movie confirmed that was never a thing and that there is no cut footage of him from the half hour that was cut. It was an idea they had at one point AFTER the rumor started but couldn’t make happen due to his availability with Mission Impossible 7, Mission Impossible 8 (because they’re filming back to back), and Top Gun Maverick cause he’s also an executive producer of those movies. IMDB anyone can list people, kinda like how people can write anything on Wikipedia. The whole thing was made up

[@jaynekranc8607]

I'm glad he wasn't in it. People have to stop getting hung up on their own preconceived notions.

[@SM-hl6hh]

Every person I have talked to absolutely loves it and I hated it 🙈 Elizabeth Olsen was incredible acting wise but I hated almost everything they did. I think that they sacrificed good character development for horror elements and shock factor. Main things I didn’t like: -hypocritical in the portrayal of the darkhold and dream walking spells with Wanda and Strange. -Wanda really seemed like she had some good character development and they touched on really good trauma issues within WandaVision but this movie just throws all that out the window -Vision just doesn’t matter to Wanda anymore at all? -Prosthetics for Zombie Strange we’re just bad -Cameos all felt disappointing when they were just disposed of so quickly -America Chavez had no chance to shine

[@taylorgraceee]

i can agree! in all honesty it was good and i'd give it an 8.5/10. it was def focused on wanda more than it was anything else. it wasn't scary but thriller and a bit dark.

[@THED3ADLY7]

I mean what you bring up ain’t wrong and that really could’ve done better but I liked. Just brings more opportunities for Marvel Movies and that’s all Disney cares about.

[@Lloyd00]

They didn't throw Wanda's character development out the window. She was corrupted by the Darkhold. Wanda's development was about vision. She was never gonna stop trying get her kids back which led her to use the Darkhold

[@srmm1969]

@@Lloyd00 then how come Strange used it and ever dream walked without being corrupted? It’s at best inconsistent. At worst slightly sexist, because Wanda’s viewing herself as a mother makes her unable to control herself.

[@darthjarjar2742]

@@srmm1969 we don't know he wasn't

[@moolllyyyy]

The reason Strange gives this “pep talk” to America at the end was because he saw a star in the book of Ashanti and knew this meant that she is the antithesis to Wanda. He then realized that she always brought them where they needed to be, both proving that she was the only one capable of defeating Wanda

[@lilimuller5462]

I watched the movie without having seen Wanda Vision. I really had to guess some times, but with knowing the general plot of the series the movie was totally understandable. (Maybe I didn’t get some finer insiders, but that’s acceptable)

[@robertbrookes2000]

When I was watching it I was feeling sorry for anyone who hadn't seen Wandavision. Makes me a bit annoyed at Marvel, as now they're making Disney+ exclusive shows essential to understand/enjoy films fully that are titled as sequels to past films.

[@Blixthand]

Interesting to hear two people who clearly have no/hardly any relationship with Raimis earlier works take on the horror elements and prosthetics

[@wileycain1476]

I’m very happy that Strange now has his Eye of Agamoto and he’s basically god-tier now as well. I’d love to see Wanda alive and have a fight now as the two go against each other both at full strength. I feel like Wanda was operating at full strength (having read dark hold) but strange wasn’t in the movie up until the end where he gets the third eye manifestation of the Eye or Agamoto

[@dylanwatts9344]

I had two problems. Spoilers! 1. Alternate Captain Marvel died too easy. Getting smashed by a stone statue when, when she JUST got thrown through a concrete wall... 2. This murderous Wanda, willing to kill to get any version of her children, being thwarted because she alienated one version of them? No. It would of been better that she learned that she would cause an incursion an kill any version of her children she tried to be with, that by going down this route she would kill all versions of her children.

[@blakewalsh9489]

I justify Captain Marvel's defeat on the basis that the Scarlet Witch somehow depleted her power. Like Captain Marvel's thing is she can absorb energy to become more powerful, but what if the Scarlet Witch generated "negative energy" that neutralizes Captain Marvel instead of making her stronger, then once her energy was depleted she squashed her with the statue.

[@thomasbennett0]

Man that scene when Grant Gustin Flash walks through the portal was wild. The fact that it is confirmed that the Arrowverse (Post Crisis) and the MCU exist in the same universe and Flash and Doctor Strange know each other is crazy. The scenes where Barry talks about the deaths of his parents, Eddie, Leanard Snart/Captain Cold, HR, Martain Stein, season 5 Nora West Alan/XS, Jessie Quick, Harry Wells, Oliver Queen (Green Arrow/Spectre), Nash Wells and Frost to America Chavez after learning that she lost her parents and Wanda after learning she lost her family were super emotional. There is also a leaked scene from the Flash season 8 final where Team Flash is in the West Alan apartment celebrating defeating the main villain for the second graphic novel then a orange spark appears in the middle of the room and then a sling ring portal appears and Doctor Strange walks through it.

[@thegod300jr]

DC and marvel will never make a crossover movie there's legal issues with making a crossover and it and they dislike eachother

[@thomasbennett0]

@@thegod300jr then why do they reference each other?

[@thomasbennett0]

@@thegod300jr unless Disney buys DC or WB.

[@m.a.9648]

@@thegod300jr Marvel doesn't dislike DC, only the fans dislike each other. Plus, they have made crossovers before- in comics, but crossovers nonetheless

[@calexxelac2457]

How dare you spoil it like that? Lol 😂

[@FlynnTheRedhead]

14:39 That's also a Sam Raimi thing. That and screaming women. He LOVES screaming women. Original Spider-Man trilogy has it, this movie has it, all his other movies have it. It's almost more prominent and consistent than Bruce Campbell showing up

[@noahclaycameron]

This was my first time seeing a film by Raimi and both his cinematography and the ethos he gives off in his work were off.

[@fraliexb]

Fact check... Wonda had interactions with the Mind Stone, not Space Stone.

[@silver9wolf6]

Yup! I always think of Captin marvel being powerful similar to how Thor is powerful. Strange and Wanda are just on another level Imagine current Wanda in Civil War, the entire team Iron man just gets obliterated 😅

[@LoLleavemealonePLZ]

Which I find weird because her power is literally manipulating reality. There is a reality stone, but Wanda has no connection to it

[@Cowjuice2712]

52:11 fun fact, regular Dr Strange had Beethoven's 5th for the music and bad Dr Strange had Bach's Tocatta and Fugue in D minor

[@matheuslascasas134]

The most interesting part of this discussion is seeing how these guys who apparently have no prior knowledge of Sam Raimi’s work reacted to his stuff here. I mean, I’m a Raimi fan, so his fingerprints are all over the movie, and that’s my favorite part, but part of me wondered how the general public would react to his very weird mix of genres.

[@aDifferentJT]

As they were going through the tunnels I was thinking “this is too soon for them to get the solution to everything” and I thought “oh, this book will be a copy too, and there’s be a light temple-y thing to mirror the dark scarlet witch one”. I actually prefer this idea, it gives the darkhold being a copy an actual payoff rather than being a setup for just a cool backdrop and you get brilliant symmetry between Wanda and Strange.

[@stambqto]

theory time: The movie was changed. I heard that they shortened the movie by like 30min. At the beginning there was a man asking Strange if there was another way to win against Thanos, later we see a statue and it said under it, that he sacrificed himself, my theory is that originally we were supposed to find out there were 2 possibilities to win in infinity war, one like it happened and another if Strange sacrificed himself. He selfishly chose the other and that's why Wanda hates him in the movie, she would have her children and Vision if not for Strange.That will also explain all the off moments in the movie, they had to change the script or re-shoot and ended with a mess. Imagine, Strange responsible for the Blip, all other Stranges are sacrificing America, and an end duel against a dark wizard and a scarlet witch and at the end he makes the sacrifice he couldn't in infinity war.

[@Dreads91]

I like the thought going into this! My only issue is that even in the other universe we find out he never actually sacrificed himself. That was just a story the illuminati told the world. But I think I prefer your version, and there are definitely some inconsistencies throughout the film. It had fun moments, but these movies seem to be going down in terms of quality

[@stambqto]

@@Dreads91 Well imagine the scene with the statue was original, and all the illuminati scenes were reshoots. It felt off, the way they killed them so easy and fast. I think originally they want to help Strange, later prof x read his mind and sees he chose to live, sees the blip in the other universe, sees other Strange sacrifice America and they turn on him. This can lead to so many fun moment, Strange runing from them while sleepwalking Wanda is also after him, and at the end agent Carter saves him and America. I am probably wrong but I feel it would have made more sense if it was something like that.

[@ashwolf2183]

I went and saw this movie on Mother's Day with my folks. I had seen WandaVision, they had not. When I asked them afterwards if they were lost, they said, "no, they were able to understand what was happening." That surprised me but made me happy that I didn't have to catch them up.

[@Hadeks_Marow]

I would argue WHAT IF was more important than wandavision as it made you care more about alot of the characters and scenes you saw in this movie where watching wandavision does nothing for you.

[@soloRanger537]

As someone who hasn't seen WandaVision, but has heard a bit from general internet culture, i felt like everything was explained decently well. I believe Wong told the other sorcerers that she had brainwashed a whole town. And I never knew she had kids in the show, but i understood that she wanted family members because of all the loss she's had- parents, brother, Vision, the Avengers. I was able to pick up that she knew she had kids in other universes and wanted to be with them.

[@arrangm]

I feel a Wanda was treated in a very similar way to Daenerys. Fans of both characters have been nurtured to love and understand each character but then the rug is suddenly pulled from under our feet. If this is what was intended for both I think fans could have still supported and understood them if we actually saw the progression (regression?). I also feel that there is a big issue surrounding women wielding power; Jean Grey, Rogue, Daenerys and now Wanda (plus many others) have all fallen into this madness of de-powering or even outright killing them off. Sam Raimi recently said he didn't really watch WandaVision so while the streaming shows progress a character there is nothing stopping a director from derailing them in order to fit in to the directors narrative and probably explains why the movie felt so disjointed (that, and all the reshoots). I also find it strange how one of the most popular/powerful MCU characters (Wanda) will likely be sidelined until House of Harkness mid 2023/24. I doubt Raimi will be invited back to the mouse house anytime soon.

[@AzureRoxe]

The difference is Daenerys was barely implied to turn evil while WandaVision made it very obvious that what Wanda did was 100% villanous.

[@rodnealhanna2006]

But this is more accurate to the comics so I wouldn't blame the director

[@j.asmrgaming1228]

Sucks to hear he didn't watch the show I'll have to look into that, but I think the storyline makes sense at least in this case. Fear is central theme of the movie and the darkhold preys on those fears, which caused her to go down a dark road, but while she was the villain I felt like they did a really good job of making her sympathetic and someone you wanted to see be happy. and as far as being sidelined the movies are cranking up the power level of their heroes it seems like in this new group of movies and she is already shown to be top dog. It makes sense to put her on the sideline for a bit while everyone at least somewhat catch up. And as far as the women with power thing yeah those cases are true (except for rogue unless I'm unfamiliar with a storyline, but there are also plenty of women with immense power in shows and movies that don't get corrupted, just like there are plenty of both for men. In the same movie where one wanda was corrupted the general consensus is that almost all dr stranges get corrupted so there's that.

[@JahanMisra]

@@AzureRoxe daenerys is more brutal in the books but the show writers messed up the foreshadowing and rushed it so it comes out of nowhere

[@ethanwatson6131]

Raimi killed it. He didn’t write the script so not seeing Wandavision doesn’t really have that much of an impact on his direction. His direction and cinematography nailed the tone of the characters. Whatever problems you have with the movie they are not coming from Sam Raimi. The producers, writers, and editing team are in charge of the things you brought up. I don’t think Wanda and Daenerys is a fair comparison either. Wanda lost at the end of Wandavision. She put on a brave face for Vision but her problems weren’t resolved at all. Westview added to her grief more than helping her overcome it and the jump to MoM Wanda fills itself in pretty intuitively. Daenerys turned on a dime and all of her changes were completely out of character. Don’t forget all of the time spent with Wanda was feeling bad for her and showing how flawed she is. The MCU has been breaking her down the whole time this isn’t a sudden shift

[@carterferricks7250]

I feel like a lot of the camera work, style, and directing choices were very similar to Prisoner of Azkaban. The long shot at the wedding, the zoom into Strange's eye, the rapid camera movements, etc.

[@rosered2812]

My question is though if everyone is the exact clone in other universes, how do Tobey!Spiderman and Andrew!Spiderman exist while also being Peter Parker? Like are there exceptions? Spiderman being a different person in different universes makes sense, but Peter Parker? It really makes me question the Patrick Stewart thing

[@k0pstl939]

I think that if they had different person as the same name, like a tom cruise tony stark as some theorized could have legitimized it more

[@lou6018]

Maybe it's just different for everyone 🤷🏻‍♀️ Loki had some variants that looked like them, and some who didn't.

[@TechWorld1105]

All the loki look different

[@rosered2812]

@@lou6018 Maybe, hopefully they elaborate more on other variations in the future

[@red5_skywalker]

I think it's the case that variants can look the same like Doctor Strange or they can have different appearances like Loki and Spider-Man - it just depends on which universe you're in

[@simonsezpoyo]

I almost think that this movie should have been called “Doctor Strange and The Scarlet Witch”

[@moriahpraklet7051]

I honestly was really disappointed that they didn’t bring in What If’s Doctor Strange. If anyone could have put up a fight against Wanda it would have been him.

[@moriahpraklet7051]

@Latest Obsession I guess what bothers me is that they got so close with the Dark Doctor Strange that it might as well have been that character. I mean they had Captain Carter there too. But you might have a point, there was a lot of things from left field so it might have been too much.

[@carpenterd1]

It’s funny how two of the biggest threats in the MCU are driven by qualities we usually consider good: logic and love. Thanos is logic without empathy. Wanda is love without empathy.

[@tommarsdon5644]

Thanos wasn't driven by logic, he was driven by arrogance. He gave a solution to save his planet, but his planet denied it. Him destroying half the population isn't done because it is the best solution, it's done because his arrogance requires him to prove that his solution would've worked. Other plans would never have been considered by Thanos because other plans weren't his.

[@kasey377]

Excited to watch this review ! I thought the movie was good not “great”, fun time but I’m not sure if I over hyped it a bit myself or they didn’t use the multiverse jumping as much as I thought they would . But still had a good time

[@taylorgraceee]

i totally agree with you! it was good and entertaining - and very long - but i feel like it could've been better.

[@Sullytaan]

Yep. Everything felt rushed and too many characters and concepts without exploring any of it. What confirmed for me that it was rushed is also the cgi in parts, it was shocking for a marvel movie. E.g the 3rd eye looked like an image painted over

[@natashamariano2790]

@Latest Obsession no, I agree with Taylor grace. I didn’t need more dimensions, what we needed WAS MORE EXPLANATION. After Loki, WV and What if, I accepted the whole “reality is breaking and the multiverses are colliding!” storyline but I didn’t really understand it. I was really hoping that they would use MOM to really dive deep and thoroughly explain/give examples of what the consequences of Strange+Spider-Man’s actions, especially tying together the TVA and he who remains and all the variants etc. But instead they pretended like we all understand what’s going on with the multiverse stuff and went ahead with a half baked plot. I’m a huge fan but this was definitely frustrating to watch.

[@lou6018]

The only things that bothered me while watching the movie: - how quickly Kamar-Taj was taken down. Instead of the wizards using these really unique spells, they only seemed to use ones to amplify more mundane, basic ways of fighting. It was as if them being wizards added almost nothing to the fight other than the force field. - how quickly the 4 monsters protecting Wanda were taken out. What was the point of even having them there? - I still don't understand how captain marvel was taken out (maybe I just missed it but) it looked like she just got beaten up, which like fine I guess, but was she not supposed to also be one of the strongest? Captain Carter put up more of a fight than her and she doesn't have super crazy powers. - The Darkhold being destroyed that easily. And if that was the case, how could Wanda just leave the book out like that with no defenses?

[@ethanwatson6131]

-Kamar-Taj has had several heavy hits to their ranks and their sorcerer supreme is the second strongest sorcerer AT BEST(a good bit behind Strange) who spends his time rigging fight club matches -Nothing implied they were any more than acolytes of the Scarlet Witch. Strange and Wong can fodderize non-nexus level demons pretty easily. They were put there to demonstrate the cult of power around Wanda not to be body guards -MCU doesn’t bother too much with power-scaling although she got the most boring death so “Rule of Cool” doesn’t really excuse it here -Magic is weird. The interplay between different incantations/abilities is left to the imagination. Maybe the darkhold isn’t easily destroyed by anything short of the Scarlet Witch

[@BenjiSun]

Considering how easy the Book of Vishanti was destroyed or from Dr. Strange 1 how many of those special tomes like the Book of Cagliostro were simply held with little chains, it's not like they're shown to be anything more than simple paper tomes holding powerful information. Didn't they also mention why Scarlet Witch went to that temple of Chthon, because the Darkhold is merely a copy of what's scribed there?

[@h1rambab3]

I was asking why they werent using runes to prevent her from doing magic... or would it not make a difference because she has the darkhold.

[@dakotajackson2895]

I mean Captain marvel was crushed to death by a statue... I'd say that's a bit more than beaten up

[@Evan_L]

magic bows and magic canons were just way too pedestrian for this society of sorcerers who we've seen to be capable of much more creative forms of combat. i rolled my eyes through that entire scene.

[@christinewalker7242]

My dad saw Multiverse of Madness with me even though he had not seen all of WandaVision. He was able to follow it and relate. However, I did give him a crash course on Wanda's story in the MCU and showing him episodes 1, 5, 8 and 9 of WandaVision, so he was not completely unaware of what Wanda's story was.

[@limalicious]

I hope that we'll get to see Wiccan and Speed. And Hulkling, too, so we have more of the Kree and Skrull.

[@bluevenom40]

Plot hole: So they established that Wanda can only use America's power by killing her and absorbing her power, then at the chase scene where Doctor Strange go under the sinks, to the Book of Vishanti, when wand get a hold of America she can be able to mind control her and open a specific portal where she needed her to be (Universe 616), so Wanda can in fact use America's power without killing her.

[@srmm1969]

*SPOILERS* I feel like they should have made villain Wanda a different universes Wanda and then they could have shown great character if we had to see our Wanda fighting against what she really wants to make sure she does the right thing At the very least if it was going to be our Wanda we should have seen the moment she truly decided differently then she did at the end of Wandavision, that she didn’t care about setting things right, we should have seen some sort of moment

[@tonylozano1728]

That would diminish the emotional impact

[@micahjoelgeimer4215]

No, thankfully they followed the comics, Wanda was always a villain, stop being so entitled

[@ihavethehighground4110]

Just realized, the dark strange saying “you ever had the dream where it feels like you’re falling off a building? Yea, that was probably me” totally foreshadowing to him falling out of the sanctum window on the gate.

[@thomasbennett0]

The scene that reveals the new Illuminati with Moon Knight/Konchu and Tony Stark/Iron Man (Tom Cruise) was crazy.

[@henrybattles5668]

Just started but this should be interesting, wasn’t sure how I felt about the film so interested for your take

[@zacharystone4757]

You guys need to watch Sam Raimi's Evil Dead trilogy! A lot of what y'all are talking about as far as the campiness/cheesiness, direction, camerawork, POV, etc are Raimi trademarks.

[@teacheronanadventure]

Yes I would definitely describe this as very much Raimi's campy horror style, which was unique for marvel and I did like a lot of it but it's not my favorite.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

If Wanda won, it would have set up REALLY well for Wandavision Season 2, showing Wanda wondering through her various incarnations throughout all of Marvel's various universes.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

@Latest Obsession Well, if they ended it with Wanda winning, it would be a redemption arc for her character as she travels the multiverse to various incarnations of herself from comics. She could encounter her Magneto in a world where he's her father, for example. Make an appearance in House of M. Finally meet Mephisto. And realize what she has been doing wrong. And that kind of episodic gimmick would also fit well with Season 1 where they traveled sitcoms from different eras.

[@nakumezm1369]

I think the Defender Strange zombie thing at the end fitted perfectly for America's story arc. She felt betrayed by Defender Strange at the beginning, but we get to see her go through an adventure throughout the movie which brings us back full circle to the same point of America trusting a Doctor Strange, in Defender Strange's body.

[@PDash919]

During that scene Christine had ONE job...Protect Stevens body. The demons were trying to stop him from using the Darkhold, So he was a little busy. Trying to use the book, cast the spell, fight off the demons attacking the zombie body, and get control of that zombie body. And also, also, actually, actually, one could think that because she works with the 838 illuminati, that she would be versed in all their individual tech/magic.

[@moomintroll3331]

I would say (at around 13:00 when you mention someone keeps reminding them it's a horror) I found and I think is the other way around, Sam Raimi wanted to make a 15 Horror Film, but Kevin then wanted it to be a 12a through production (using English ratings) and I found that often the horror and the gore was there but it had just been toned down, corny lines added. Which to me seems like they had to horror there but it was edited down to be more 12a/PG13

[@Saimeren]

The "Horror comedy, parody, zombie thing" was probably just a reference to the Evil Dead series, which was also done by Sam Raimi.

[@BevoMDK]

The music fight was cool, Sinister Starnge's notes were minor and 616 Strange used major notes.

[@PrettyGirl24wastaken]

I appreciate you guys doing these. I have a hard time convincing my self to watch movies and an even harder time sitting still long enough to pay attention. These videos give me a good sense of how worth my time a movie is and a general feel of the most important parts. I’m looking forward to your research and theories now that there is more information. Thank you for your hard work!

[@StarsetCards]

This was a great movie, some peoples expectations were unfortunately set too high however for the cameos. Mostly by KZbinrs, and speculators with a voice. I was one of them, but I have gotten over that to see the “forest despite all the trees”. It was fun to watch! It also sets up a big Marvel storyline for the future movies.

[@calexxelac2457]

I LOVED THAT SPONSOR BIT, SO FUNNY 😂 such a silly little thing to use as the cause of Ben finding out J was from another universe, I was way too into the story, I need a sequel 😂😂😂

[@Sinnocturnal]

My roomie watched this movie with Me last night. She's seen most of the marvel movies, but none of the d+ shows. All she got from Wanda in this movie is "she is angry and want her children what a dumb cliche villain trope" I was crying I found Wanda's story rly tragic she can never catch a break. My roomie didn't get any of that. Your enjoyment of this movie seems to be very dependent on you having watched the shows.

[@sarahcreamer5116]

I went into this Dr. strange movie with very little background of the MCU. My extent with the MCU is the three Iron Man Movies, the avengers, age of ultron, Spider-Man homecoming and also Spider-Man far from home. As you can see I have not been watching them strictly to how they were supposed to go or even by release date but by what I found intriguing and I have definitely not watched Wanda Vision. That being said I feel like I kept up very well with the movie. Of course there is the slight hiccup of not knowing characters that were developed in previous movies but I feel like the actors, writer, crew, etc. did a very good job of explaining and as such you really get all the parts you need to understand the characters. Also this movie has done what so far none of the previous mentioned have and that’s entice me to go back and watch the MCU in order and then go rewatch Multitude of Madness, just to see how the story’s meaning changes with the extra knowledge from the other stories. So while it isn’t a must to see all of the other MCU stories first, I do believe they add subtle notes to the overarching story of the MCU and enhances the beauty of the broader picture (that while every character is important they are just a part of something bigger.)

[@claireybeary1555]

I think that Wanda was the way that she was because she was corrupted by the Darkhold, and now that it’s gone, if she comes back (which I think she will) she’ll definitely have different motivations/be super remorseful. She’s not a bad person, she’s just had no guidance or training and was desperate enough to turn to the Darkhold, letting her grief and the book’s evil influence get the best of her. (Even if it was super awesome to see her go full villain 😂)

[@scion2245ify]

Yeah but the show already gave her that guilt and learning from her actions and this movie forgot all of that

[@cgragg88]

I think they should've made the evil Wanda reveal til she was in the middle of the sorcerers. It was clever how they did it, but she could've gone with Dr. Strange to "help" and then turned on them then. To me that would've been so much better, catch them with their pants down.

[@miriamrosemary9110]

This ad read was so funny! XD "I bet you get a lot of ads." "I do get a lot of ads!" "Yeah, yeah." "I feel like I'm in one right now." Lol

[@Milleneum]

In the current comics, Clea is Stranges's great love and is the sorcerer Supreme of her own dimension. She is a much bigger deal than Christine. Also, there was a short run series in the comics a few years ago where Thanos reduced the universe by half by combining two people into one. In that alternate reality Dr. Strange was combined with Captain America as one hero. Lots of crazy ideas in the alternate realities.

[@Daisy-mb8kt]

This movie unlocked a lot of fears I didn’t know I had- Black Bolt’s death is burned into my mind and I can’t get it out ;;

[@Lil-Dragon]

Saw it today and I enjoyed it. But feel Wanda's going to evil very early on made me confused as yes she did awful things in wandavision to the town but this seems too much too fast for my taste. Otherwise enjoyed the film but why does Dr.Strange get a 3rd eye when other users of the book didn't get them like Agatha and Wanda. Does the comics explain it or is it an odd movie thing.

[@yolandag8436]

Well also remember her mind got corrupted by the darkhold so that made her go evil a lot faster. But i think it was done better than any of the pheonix movies. But i get ur point.

[@moomintroll3331]

well I wouldn't say wanda went "evil" more just like a Mother Bear whos lost her cubs. Also the film takes place like a year after WV with wanda with the dark hold corrupting her. Don't know why the 3rd eye, he has it in the comics but I think as to why the other users didn't get it, it might be specific to him seeing as the only other character to have received one is his evil self.

[@housemoney2143]

I will say I performed the same experiment you were talking about. Took my dad to see it and he said it was enjoyable, entertaining and he followed the whole storyline. I will say I doubt he could understand the Easter eggs but the regular main storyline was explained in the movie.

[@reubenoakley8967]

Honestly, I laughed at all the extremely brutal deaths. They boardered on being cartoonishly silly, like Mortal Kombat fatalities

[@Suprixia]

I loved the fight between the two stranges. It was so unique and entertaining. I really like this movie. I give it like a 8.5 out of 10

[@Alice-hj2bv]

I loved the movie I just think everyone’s expectations were high with Loki and No Way Home introducing the multiverse I thought MoM would tie it all together a bit more but the events of the Loki series weren’t mentioned at all.

[@cosmicriptid]

I know I haven't watched this channel that much latley but I still get such a good feeling every time I do

[@codystork3008]

Dormamu is released from the time loop when he recalls Kysillyus(I can never remember how to spell it)to the dark dimension. So perhaps the incursion Clea mentions is Kysillyus and his forces living in the Dark Dimension.

[@zactacon]

I’ve been waiting for this video!!

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

The film really should just have been called Scarlet Witch. But that would have given away some of the plot I guess.

[@taylorgraceee]

yea i definitely feel like it was focused on her more than anything else. it was good and entertaining but i feel like it could've been better in a way.

[@thetubemz937]

Dormomu wasn't trapped in a time loop. Strange released him on the condition that he never return to earth

[@kzapjaze]

I did think it felt right Doctor Strange telling America she had to take over the fight now. There had been a number of scenes where people had been pointing out he felt the need to be in charge and that he needed to let others do things, so at the end when Wong was saying the only way was for him to take America's power, but him realising actually he needed to have America be the one to win the day was supposed to be character growht.

[@AzureRoxe]

I think Ben hits the nail on the head immediately with what the issue with the movie is. They've been setting up a big "multiverse battle" from the start, Multiverse of Madness is flatout called that, shows like Loki heavily imply that something big is gonna happen, same with No Way Home......but this isn't even close to what the movie does, the movie introduces America Chaves, yes, but it doesn't use the Multiverse in the way we were implied it would. The movie could've been called Scarlet Witch and NOTHING would've changed. It had nothing to do with "Multiverse of Madness" outside of giving them a reason to go "oh wow, Wanda killed the Illuminati in brutal fashion!!" and introducing Chaves, that's it. It didn't further the concept of the Multiverse, it didn't give more hints at what would be the next big villain, it pretty much just kills Scarlet Witch and gives the hint that Strange might be awakening a new power. It's also mentioned that the movie had A LOT of reshoots, so SOMETHING must've happened.

[@johnny_dollar2663]

I've not seen any of the tv shows but have seen the film, I didn't really know why Wanda was suddenly bad or if the Scarlett witch was somehow taking over Wanda like a hostage. I thought there'd be a twist at the end where she would become good or released.

[@srmm1969]

That’s because it made no sense, your idea is better than what actually happened

[@supersharky6058]

I don’t think there is any way Wanda could be “redeemed” without it feeling forced

[@aspinthesnake5636]

I was waiting for that too! It just felt… wrong…

[@Ben-fl4ck]

Mordo and Strange's fight without magic was a better wizard fight than Dumbledore and Grindlewald's

[@wazzzuuupkiwi]

I went to see this movie w/o having seen Wandavision, but I knew of it, and when Strange said "I'm not here to talk about Westpoint" I took that to mean 'this isn't going to be about Wandavision', and that seemed true enough. The most interesting thing to me was the spirits when Strange dreamwalked saying "It is forbidden" like On who's authority?? that has so many implications