Doctor Strange 2 is an Unmitigated M-She-U DISASTER!

Doctor Strange 2 and The M-she-U of Badness isn't his movie movie. Our titular character is simply a passenger for America Chavez's HERoe's journey and a sequel to a bad D+ show WandaVision. From the writer of Loki and Fan4stic no less. I'll always LOVE Sam Raimi, but this is a Kevin Feige Production that feels like it was written by Victoria 'The X-Men are outdated' Alonso.
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[@rabbitdmegan]

"do we need a villain?" dear Disney, the "heroes" you write ARE villains...

[@lanceFin85]

💯

[@Crichjo32]

It's hard for them to write villains, when THEY are the villain.

[@darkseid6898]

Doctor Strange 2 and the whole M-She-U are CANCER. Nobody needs cultural marxism. America Chavez is worthless and disgusting. Boycott this woke trash.

[@kentlindal5422]

@tj usually based on real people they disagree with.

[@Dousch]

And they write these "films" for THEMSELVES. Stop supporting them.

[@DeepKumar.]

Wanda didn't seem to miss her brother Quicksilver with whom she spent whole childhood and most of her adulthood, And the love of her life Vision, But yeah she wanted her made up kids (for like 2 weeks) with whom she barely spent any time with...🤦🏻‍♂️

[@gokaury]

Quit speaking logic and using your brain. Disney doesn't like that.

[@normal6969]

While Strange should have the wisdom and intelligence he is known of.

[@asshat6482]

You can no longer have a she-ro pine for a man. That's against "THE MESSAGE".

[@marcoviola6741]

she was driven insane by the Darkhold, so any comparison between Wanda "before and after" is actually incorrect.

[@kanpeki2485]

@@marcoviola6741 Exactly. All these insecure man babies care about is omg woman strong me mad

[@TrentCastanaveras]

I'm so sad for Doctor Strange. He was sidelined in his own movie.

[@jdennis867]

It benefited the Wanda fans though like myself.

[@kendallrivers1119]

@@jdennis867 ok but nobody else other than you guys care about her like that. Doctor Strange fans want Doctor Strange.

[@shadowthehedgehog3113]

No he wasn't. Not even close. He was the hero and protagonist in every sense of the word although he did make some questionable decisions that may end up biting him in the ass in the next film but that's the point.

[@marvel_dc_basedyt69420]

Ironic, considering strange got more screen time, had more variants, and discovered the way to defeat Wanda

[@jdennis867]

@@marvel_dc_basedyt69420 Wanda defeated Wanda.

[@Zombie0010101]

10:40 Glad to know I’m not the only one who thought America Chavez’s backstory in this movie was dumb and hilarious. Ma! I’m famous!

[@TuningAnApple]

Personally, I thought that was the point. Several things in this movie was just funny and it seemed intentional. Like zombie Strange. I don't mind it at all either, I don't suppose we would ever get any more movies where she plays a bigger role. This movie was all about Wanda and Strange. Concluding Wanda's grief (ish) and concluding Strange's hang-up about his personal life. I liked the movie and it was different.

[@Shome2049]

It was funny as hell

[@royalroyal2210]

Lol right? Girl got scared of bee, resulting in yeeted away her moms 🤣

[@Shome2049]

@@royalroyal2210 the fact she had "Moms" is the funniest thing

[@zainulabideeniqbal4350]

@@royalroyal2210 well....if only amber heard's dog was there to step on that bee😂😂

[@zerocalvin]

Professor X losing a psychic battle against Scarlet Witch is some worse thing i ever heard... as far as I know, the only other person that could beat Professor X's psychic power is Jean Grey.

[@Samrules888]

And that's with the Phoenix force and that was when he wasn't trying to hurt her

[@wesstewart2677]

You’re taking the scene out of context. Wanda was possessing an innocent version of herself who had two kids…Professor X was not tryna bring harm to his universes Wanda. Wanda on the other hand was going in with murderous intent.

[@censoredbyyoutube2639]

@@wesstewart2677 imagine defending woke trash... yikes

[@D0NU75]

I hope patrick stewart is happy, he was killed as picard and he was killed as profesor x. though to be fair he was also killed as uriel septim so there is that, the man wants no legacy of him left in this world.

[@RyanLongArt]

Patrick Stewart's an a-hole so I was fine with it.

[@theAshesofDecember1]

Still convinced they could’ve fixed a ton of plot holes and character issues by simply having the villain be a scarlet witch from a different multiverse so Wanda could see the end point of the path she was on. That way she and strange could work together to fight a possibly greater enemy. Also, there wouldn’t be so much head scratching over the universe hoping because it’s done primarily off screen. Plus, it could set up exactly how much of a threat the multiverse truly is

[@kboid5919]

Scarlet witch is some kind of unicorn that exists only in one universe, so they couldn't do that.

[@tarhunranggaraja5649]

This was my initial idea of the film when I first saw the trailer in nwh . Sinister strange and alternate universe Wanda vs MCU strange and Wanda but after seeing what they made was just a bit disappointing.

[@Mister-Six]

This would require two things modern Hollywood lacks: planning and good writing

[@thehippie3610]

I'm pretty sure that's what we got. Ours was that universe lol But the Wanda she possesed will probably replace her. She has the two kids and is good. So it'll fit I think

[@OGGuaves]

That's infinitely better writing, and that's like a barebones plotline that any multiverse story would tell.

[@beamertoy]

You're absolutely right when you said it's not a sequel to Dr Strange. It doesn't feel like a sequel at all.

[@Truluvcockers]

i mean the ending cutscene makes it a sequel and brings in a comic character that makes sense to be introduced

[@BiblicalAuthority1611]

Exactly. Felt like it was more about Wanda movie then a Dr. Strange movie. Even if it was about wanda, it was a mess of a story. I think those who like it have a poor story telling IQ if you know what I mean. They see the actions and it awe's them but clueless about an actually good story.

[@christianray8973]

@@BiblicalAuthority1611 points like yours always annoy the heck out of me. What you’re doing is lumping everyone who likes the movie into a corner and saying “they don’t understand but us? The loud MINORITY? We understand.”

[@BiblicalAuthority1611]

@@christianray8973 The movie was a disaster. Strange 1 great right? 2 was a mess of a story, plot and logic. This was more of a prequel of Wanda vision. I don't even know if the directors and produces follow the comics. The story was just that bad. To "woke" for me. Dr. Strange could handle Thanos but couldn't do well at all against a 1 eyes squid. I could continue but for myself it was a mess of a movie telling story.

[@minamounir2323]

Come to think about it doesn't feel like it pushes the MCU forward in any directions at all... it sort of circled around itself like a confused dog.

[@unitron2005]

It scares the crap of me that if you look up scenes from Scarlet Witches torture sessions on youtube, 99% of the comments are supportive of HER. "She's not evil, she's a victim!" The vast majority of people are appearently very very mentally ill.

[@BiggestBirdie]

Wait, fr?? 💀 ☠️

[@themultiverseproductions8492]

She was literally corrupted by the darkhold. The tragedy is that she began reading it to understand and learn her power so that she would never hurt anyone again.

[@themultiverseproductions8492]

@@hellatze or... we acknowledge the darkhold's influence

[@mabelugwuoke5260]

Gh

[@themultiverseproductions8492]

@Ultimate Sora You are delusional if you think wandavision is bad or generally seen as bad. It is statistically one of the most liked mcu shows, up there with loki. You must be living in an alternate universe, I've been a superhero fan since I could walk, follow every page and channel, ranking sites, news outlets, it is a fact that the wandavision era was hyped af and the show was extremely well received, unlike she hulk. Wandavision made Wanda one of the most popular characters in the mcu. And wanda isn't evil, she never was. Westview was an accident out of sheer grief, she was in denial and suppressed. Anyone would struggle to take down the hex. She is a victim to her own powers. She is so far from one dimensional it's laughable that you even think that. You know nothing about her arc at all. Look, I'm not trying to start a useless stupid fight here, but you commented to me and I feel the need to correct you because you are wrong wether you like it or not. I can agree on one thing, multiverse of madness had very mixed reviews, but definitely not wandavision.

[@MichaelB-jw5po]

"They are killed in order of privilege" had me laughing so hard

[@SpartyCubsFan]

It was hysterical, until you think about it and just shake your head. It actually happens that way, and knowing the bios of those involved, it’s very possible it was purposefully done. It’s THE MESSAGE X3,000

[@toothgrinder2760]

Yeah Gary has some great one liners.

[@user-qn2fk4xy6w]

A "differently abled" protected class is killed last.

[@JGGR89]

@mmm mmm You forgot to factor in the ableism.

[@user-erick007]

@mmm mmm He is physically disabled handicapped

[@waynestrange]

“I have a lot of anxiety with Doctor Strange because I’ve never really had to lead a commercial film by myself” ~ Elizabeth Olson to the NY Times. In case there was still any doubt who they consider the lead to be.

[@thinkmcfly376]

Every marvel movie that comes out everyone says that villain sucked, and when infinity war made thanos the main character essentially everyone loved it. And now they give Wanda optimal screen time have a villainous arch, you all shit on it and hate it. What did you want? Her to just be bad and have no explanation for it? You would have shit on that too? Dr. Strange is very much the protagonist of the film, Wanda is the ANTAGONIST. While I agree that America was relied on too much for plot and character and overall I agree the film could have been better, but this criticism is just dumb.

[@jimhalpert0]

@@thinkmcfly376 We wanted a Dr. Strange movie dude. Like the first one. Focused around him. Not on Wanda and America.

[@thinkmcfly376]

@@jimhalpert0 and that’s what you got, with a developed villain, your criticism is simply incorrect and stupid.

[@maxdavis7722]

@@thinkmcfly376 the explanation was SHITE, that’s the point.

[@thinkmcfly376]

@@jimhalpert0 would you prefer Wanda have 0 scenes alone and we only see her when she’s with strange and not explain anything really or develop her arch? They make a hero a compelling villain, and you all shit on it. And you’re surprised when marvel villains are under developed? It’s bc when they do something like this you hate on it. The concept of a protagonist and an antagonist are lost on you.

[@LapsedComicFan]

It’s funny how the movie hinges on getting America Chavez’s powers because if you remember from Dr. Strange’s first movie it was said that the sling rings allowed them to travel the Multiverse….. The what? The MULTIVERSE! Kinda makes this whole movie…….. Well. Pointless. Also. How did Dr. Strange remember the Spider-Man issue?

[@MrRetluocc]

The spell in NWH was to forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, not to forget that Spider-Man exists.

[@ROCKLEONEZERO]

@@MrRetluocc exactly

[@LapsedComicFan]

@@MrRetluocc you’re right in a sense, but Strange says everyone who loves you will forget who you are and then Ned, MJ and Happy seemed to not even know who he was so it’s pretty dumb.

[@matsurithetrueaegis6024]

@@MrRetluocc I believe it was actually that everyone forgot who Peter Parker was, not just that he was Spider-Man

[@ROCKLEONEZERO]

@@LapsedComicFan They don’t who Peter Parker is, but they still know about Spider-Man. They just don’t know that Spider-Man is Peter Parker anymore. It’s a little confusing, but hopefully you’ll understand what I’m trying to say.

[@Darragh7]

"They're killed in order of privilege" had me screaming in laughter🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@christophertaylor9100]

He's not wrong though, that's exactly what happened.

[@renaldsunset]

Has anyone noticed the lgbt flag on that girl’s jacket ? Like wtf

[@A_cracker14]

@@renaldsunset that’s one of those small things that I don’t mind like that’s just something to make gay people happy 😂

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

@@A_cracker14 The bar for the happiness of gay people is too low if that's true 😂😂

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

​@@renaldsunset well she is a lesbian

[@steezyonyoutube9896]

I feel Wanda should've had her own movie dealing with this and her turn to the dark side. I thought this movie was gonna be about Strange dealing with the fallout from opening the multiverse in No Way Home. Fighting alongside and against evil versions of himself and other multiverse threats. America Chavez was terrible and unnecessary as Wanda and Strange proved they can traverse the multiverse either way

[@romeydall4067]

"America Chavez was terrible and unnecessary." Very true.

[@smartchai]

I thought the exact same thing ! I was utterly disappointed that it had absolutely no connection with "SPIDER-MAN: NWH" ! I really did NOT like the "bait & switch" nor did I enjoy how they wasted all of the cool cameos ! I also really didn't care for this "America Chavez" character of whom I never really heard of before this movie ! I was expecting a whole lot more from a movie called, "DR. STRANGE In The Multiverse Of Madness" ! WHO THE HELL WROTE THIS GARBAGE 🙄😤😡🤬⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️

[@steezyonyoutube9896]

@@smartchai might as well have been Wanda and the Darkhold 😂

[@marywinchester1322]

And that's what Disney wanted you to think through the trailer. All in order to trick you and go see their terrible movie. After what they did with Black Widow, I plan to watch reviews first before ever seeing another comic book movie. Whether it be MCU, DCU, SW, etc. So far, only The Batman looks promising.

[@steezyonyoutube9896]

@@marywinchester1322 honestly didn't even know why Wanda was in this movie I thought they resolved her issues in Wanda vision. But the Batman was fire

[@xanthippus3190]

Reminder that if Wanda kids were never real then Hayward from Wandavision was right and did nothing wrong. When Strange says "they are not real Wanda" he basically proves the innocence of the director of S.W.O.R.D. Why was he even arrested for pointing a gun to two fake children? Why did Darcy mock him for going to jail? Just a plot hole that bothers me.

[@TaddiestMason]

"he" - that's why. maybe he shoulda been a she and then it would've been fine for them to do.

[@LouisianaBurns]

The secret white vision experiment that he did without government permission didn’t happen?

[@darkseid6898]

Doctor Strange 2 and the whole M-She-U are CANCER. Nobody needs cultural marxism. America Chavez is worthless and disgusting. Boycott this woke trash.

[@tochukwuudu7763]

Reminder that Mordo was written out of the movie because he couldn’t jump out of a hole or port out.

[@Mika-Fresh]

You’re asking about the plot hole? Simple answer: they shoehorned a better story into a shit show that neutered the plot and nerfed the psychological break Wanda was supposed to suffer from. The writers were shit in the show, and they’re diarrhetic in the movie. No offense or judgement to you if you liked those properties; I just grew up with the comics and hate seeing them bastardized to be able to accommodate the general public.

[@choreomaniac]

Apparently Marvel looked at how Lucasfilm treated its heroes, how Star Trek treated its heroes and how Dr Who treated its heroes and said “Hey, that looks like a good idea! Let’s try humiliating and undermining the goodwill toward our heroes build up over years or decades!”

[@Grivehn]

Since Disney and Jar Jar Abrahamas intertwines everything above except Doctor Who, we got nothing to wonder, really.

[@GrayscaleCanvas]

DC: "Hey, that looks fun. I wanna do that t-" Zaslav: "And where do you think you're going?"

[@shinigamiauthor]

its almost like its some kind of agenda. some kind of Reset perhaps. keep tearing down those statues to own the bigots!

[@mickeymao7145]

@@GrayscaleCanvas While holding an axe behind his back

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

Yeah, THAT is gonna rack in the green just like with the others...

[@terryvans1420]

Also, on the point about Disney not understanding morality, having Pizza Poppa punch himself for 3 weeks for defending his livelihood was abhorrent. I couldn't believe they just dismissed it so casually.

[@CaseyBoisFilms]

Imagine if that was a woman. The outrage would've ended humanity. But for a guy, no problem.

[@zeroa69]

Clearly you didnt get the joke in the slightest.every evil dead fan loved that bit.

[@terryvans1420]

@@zeroa69 So taking a dump on the character of the movie's protagonist is ok because it's funny?

[@avanz2885]

Yes it was very disturbing when they laughed it off ... And even had an end credit scene about it 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@seanmcclure]

My 16 year old daughter and her friends laughed out loud at Professor X. Their biggest complaint was who was and why did they need America Chavez instead of someone better. Says it all.

[@Dousch]

I guess the paycheck was worth more than going out on a high note in Logan. I laughed too.

[@darkseid6898]

Doctor Strange 2 and the whole M-She-U are CANCER. Nobody needs cultural marxism. America Chavez is worthless and disgusting. Boycott this woke trash.

[@armandomunoz85]

I really didn't mind America Chavez us Mexicans never get a superhero thats spans over more than a movie

[@shidee91]

@@armandomunoz85 because everything has to be about your people... Duhhh...

[@darkseid6898]

@@armandomunoz85 America Chavez is NOT a superhero. It's just multicultural leftist propaganda. She's the most pathetic and cringe thing ever.

[@Zathren]

"Grief is the villain." Last time I checked the vast majority of people who grieve the loss of a loved one don't turn into mass murderers. So I'd argue that the mass murderer is the villain.

[@eraba661]

Imagine if Spiderman had started a genocide cause of his uncle Ben and it would still had made more sense cause he was atleast real lmao

[@KyBerLeger]

most people also dont have powers that literally allow them to completely alter reality with a single thought, that are heavily tied to their mentally unstable emotions. "no more mutants", anyone?

[@ctmdarkonestm]

@@eraba661 didn't the animated series do that with Spider-Carnage?

[@jonnyg9865]

It could work, especially since we've already seen Wanda's dark side, but they needed to take something like this slow and gradually develop it. As it is it's rushed, poorly developed, and pulled in too many different directions.

[@Grivehn]

@@ctmdarkonestm Yes, but the symbiote had a hand in that lol. It was a Peter who couldnt beat his worst impulses and throw off the alien. You could also argue Carnage is even harder to reason with than Venom.

[@blackchibisan8116]

Okay, my major complaint above all others is the following: How does Captain Carter last longer than Xavier when he is in the mindscape? Black Bolt I only understand because they made Reed stupidly announce his power. But that just raises the question of why Reed told any Scarlet Witch that didn’t know what BB could do about his abilities? There are just too many questions that don’t add up.

[@jb-gt8oi]

Time after time prof x is well known powerful telepath but he can get his shit rocked both comics and movies. Reed either knew or didn’t know who was Wanda was. The reason I say this is that Wanda from his earth had pretty normal life with kids. She still had powers so she was hero at some point with weaker powers compared to her 616 counter part or just had normal life. So he assumed she was no real big threat and the could taker her down like any other strange they faced. Reed also is the smartest man but he obviously tried to sympathize with her about family and intimidate her with bb powers. But didn’t realize her powers could alter reality.

[@blackchibisan8116]

@@jb-gt8oi Okay, but he called her the scarlet witch and even said he knew about the prophecy that her destiny was either to destroy or rule. Also, X gets his crap rocked all the time OUTSIDE of the mindscape. But it has been repeatedly said that in the mindscape(an actual plane of reality in the Marvel universe) that he is basically the second most powerful being right behind The Phoenix force boosted Jean. Even Frost isn’t able to match him there. That said, even if you want to make the case that he was gonna get beat bad because of the Scarlet Witch abilities, he should have lasted longer than Captain Carter. Why does the woman with peak physical fitness and nothing else last longer than an omega level telepath in the mindscape?

[@speedflashanimations221]

@@blackchibisan8116 i think it could cause Wanda relies on her powers a bit to much and she isn’t really used to hand and hand fighting, and that she could have been a bit tired out due to the fight of captain marvel since they both are powered by a infinty stone

[@nopenope1]

Boobas, I guess - or like Nerdrotic would the, "Wokeness" xD

[@animeangel1983]

Because it's the M-She-U. No other reasoning needed. Men are the weaker sex now, whamens are all powerful and male.

[@cryptocole239]

"that's what happens when men are not around" "threw wong because he was mansplaining" 🤣🤣🤣 man you the best

[@charissa6648]

Wanda; let go of her vengeance against Stark once she learned what Ultron had planned, and joined the Avengers losing her brother. Wanda; sacrificed the love of her life and was willing to kill Vision in order to defeat Thanos and protect humanity. 2 movies later... Also Wanda; enslaved an entire town, traumatized children, killed innocent people, gave way to dark magic, and traveled the multi verse in order to kidnap someone else's children then ultimately killed herself What a hero! Edit; I forgot to mention how Wanda accidentally killed innocents and basically allowed herself to be imprisoned out of fear of hurting others.

[@GrimmtokiAMV]

No one called her a hero but fanboys of the character

[@phoenix1985gr]

@@GrimmtokiAMV shes being sarcastic, and she was a grat hero up to this movie and depending on how she would have chosen to redeem herself for what she did to westview... But i guess they chose the exact opposite direction

[@IronIsKing]

She did it to cope with the loss of vision (i guess?)

[@GrimmtokiAMV]

@@phoenix1985gr Wanda wasn't a great hero, she caused alot of the mistake the avengers had to deal with and ran away from it with vision once and then ran away again

[@seyio1717]

I saw a Twitter thread saying Wanda did nothing wrong they are always trying to justify her actions it's laughable

[@Getroy]

This may sound like a out of the world solution, but if Wanda really wanted kids, should could have it with another man that isn't a robot.

[@brumtownmiller6130]

True but that's other kids not those kids!

[@dscholes]

I'm sure there must have been a universe where wanda died or something after having her kids and she could have just went there and lived her life 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@brumtownmiller6130]

@@dscholes I assume if she died all her spells would if been undone so her kids would of disappeared too? Why couldn't she recreate the children but not imprison a town. Create her own town with fake people to interact with and her children?

[@jeebuschristos8423]

@@dscholes Hell... the bish could have just let Black Bolt incinerate her in that scene (well, the possessed Scarlett Witch of this universe, her) and take that Wanda's, NOW, orphaned kids... that way she didn't even need to kill a version of herself to get them...

[@cartermckinstry794]

@@jeebuschristos8423 yea but how would she get the power to go to that other universe

[@niccosalonga9009]

I think Marvel needs to take a break, do a lot of planning, then return to writing the new movies. We're getting the usual problem with sequels that they had previously managed to minimize.

[@Redfrog1011]

Facts

[@PreferredCustomer]

Much like any big franchise, they are chugging along doing what they can with the actors available. It's a business--they need to keep making money, any pause in the periodic releases means lost revenue for that timeframe. Are they creatively bankrupt, though? No...I wouldn't think so. The Thor movie and She-Hulk previews dont fill me with any desired to see them. But this movie I think largely suceeded because of what the opposite this reviewer said--they kept the focus ON Strange, so the woke tidbits couldn't fester and linger to take over on their own.

[@niccosalonga9009]

@@PreferredCustomer I think they could potentially make more if they paused and strategized once more but I'm sure the executives don't see it that way and have their own timelines. It's just unfortunate. There's no feel of the overall build up that kept me watching all the movies prior to endgame. It just feels like they are kinda going somewhere but not with the same intensity. Or maybe that just wore off. I dunno.

[@Nick-sx6jm]

If they fire all the feminists and soy boys the movies would improve SIGNIFICANTLY. Like politics is everywhere I dont need a supposedly fun movie pushing communism (food should be a human right scene), two moms, all of the male characters being weak/incompetent, the forced diversity, etc. Its so obvious and cringe.

[@ArcanePath360]

It's not Marvel, it's Disney. They have a clear agenda and everything they touch turns to shit.

[@shanoabelmont9004]

These are my problems with this multimess of madness: -Strange can take Chavez powers right? Why doesn't he do that to Wanda? -Where tf did Wanda learned how to control Chavez powers? -Wanda knows how to use Chavez powers. Why doesn't she just ask Chavez to help her find a universe where her children are living only with Vision so she can get Vision too? She can also help Chavez find her mothers. -Why Wong doesn't return the title of sorcerer supreme to Strange? He obviously sucks at it. -How tf does the spell Wanda uses knows exactly which other Wanda to possess from all the multiverses? -The illuminati sucks balls,they completely underestimate Wanda,Reed Richards one of the allegedly smartest person on the planet told Wanda how to kill their most powerful member in less than a minute,Captain Marvel dies by being hit by a fucking statue and Charles Xavier one of the if not the most powerful Psychic mutant gets his mind "snapped" and dies in real world,what a joke! -How convenient that Cristine found that magical vase right there and knew exactly what it was and how to use it really well. -Can we use America Chavez powers and "steal" a Black widow or Iron man or Steve Rogers from a universe they don't need them? I think this girl powers create a bunch of problems.

[@dmytrosoboliev935]

Too many questions for a fantasy nonsense movie. People who seek for answers in such movies make a big mistake

[@MaztRPwn]

I say her powers were a great (and wasted) potential to fix things. They totally could’ve wrote her into giving Widow and my man Tony Stark back with her power. This movie is the problem cuz now we get none of that.

[@MaztRPwn]

@@dmytrosoboliev935 Was that even English…

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

​@@MaztRPwn It was. They were using the cop out excuse people love when movies don't make sense but they don't know how to defend the film.

[@Kubal-cain]

"The Message" is more important that good writing and good content. I'm truly sad that a once great franchise has been so broken. I pray some smaller studios start their own series and crush these corporate goofs.

[@Tracks2008]

That can't happen so long as Disney is in charge they will not allow it.

[@tejvishwajeet]

I read "The Message" in The critical drinkers voice lmao😂😂

[@JGGR89]

@@tejvishwajeet As it should be 🍺

[@OGGuaves]

That's why we gotta support the Rippaverse when Eric July releases it, cause we know its gonna be a passion project made by a die hard comic fan that isn't worried about including "THE MESSAGE"

[@nlw4755]

Hopefully the more rational comments like yours and mine have effect on the course. Saddened that they throw tradition out the window, Doctor who is always kind of progressive however they didn't try to piss in your Cheerios and pretend it was milk.

[@coyoterunner]

A couple of musings from this violation of my favorite Marvel character: 1. America Chavez is detestable, impossible to take seriously, and is clearly a self-insert for Victoria Alonso. 2. To the parents out there, didn't Wanda's phantom children seem obnoxiously sweet and innocent? One of them needed to rock back and forth on an antique chair until it broke. 3. We get to meet Reed Richards and Black Bolt, then never get to see them in action, while instead being treated to pallete-swaps of characters we've already seen plenty of. 4. Professor X, the God of telepathy, gets out-mindfucked by a villainess using plot powers. 5. Christine seemed to be more responsible for driving the plot than Strange was. Her "yas qween" moment with the magic flamethrower she somehow knew how to operate made me nearly cringe to death. 6. Zombie Strange was admittedly pretty cool. But the dramatic reveal of the "souls of the damned" kinda came out of left field. 7. America actually FAILING at the end while practicing magic was literally her one saving grace. 8. The multiverse travel scene had some cool imagery, but I'm sure on second look, a lot of it is just key-jangling with landscapes instead of characters. 9. Even my optimistic wife walked out feeling let down. She actually felt bad for bringing me because she knew Strange was my favorite and was surprised how much he was shit on. Even having watched FNT and Mauler, I didn't know just how awful it was going to be. All I could think at the end was "Look how they massacred my boy."

[@palladiamorsdeus]

Welcome to Phase 4!

[@johnron5027]

Wanda Could've Just Banged Strange if She Really Wanted Kids, Like She Only Knew Her "fake" Kids For Less than 2 Weeks.

[@lofaber5664]

I almost took you seriously until you mentioned a wife lol No way anybody like you is married 😂

[@ctmdarkonestm]

Sam Raimi said in the commentary for army of darkness "a protagonist isn't interesting to me unless they are causing me pain"

[@snowwhite5887]

@@lofaber5664 Not only, are you a jerk. But you’re blatantly assuming, stuff about this guys life. Was this because you disagree with this comment? Or something petty ? 🤨

[@chastion3689]

I love how wanda will kill and destroy universes for children that she fantasized for 2 weeks but doesn't give a shit about vision. She mentions him twice in the whole movie, once because he told her about the multiverse, second bc she had to kill him. But nothing about missing him or getting him back or anything like that. Whats funnier is that vision is alive.

[@syah5146]

Plus quicksilver, and her family in which are "REAL". but the writer said " no, we going to forget all of that and make her a mommy figure who fantasize 2 kids that's not even real" 😂 such a big potential movie but sadly, executed badly

[@jonnyg9865]

@Celzabuu Jones I like this idea. Maybe even include the people she accidentally killed at the Wakandan embassy trying to stop Crossbones? Plenty of opportunities to gradually foreshadow her descent into madness until boom, next thing you know she's the Thanos of this phase. Imagine if they had bothered to properly develop things?

[@Red_Devil_2011]

Also, they're telling us that in infinite multiverses there is not ONE with a pair of Wanda's kids whose mother died, who main Wanda could adopt? (And there's not one planet with Dr Strange's lonely girlfriend who would love her Bf to stick around?) Lol.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

Or her brother. It's like the writers conveniently forgot about them existing in Wanda Vision or as a way to calm her down and center her personality.

[@jacobyrassilon]

@@jonnyg9865 Meh, they did a Season 8 GoT with this movie. It was lazy and stupid, but it has made tons of money so they are all patting themselves on the backs and looking forward to emasculating Thor in his next movie.

[@aamnainfebruary]

I feel bad for Benedict. Just look at him in The Power of the Dog, Patrick Melrose, Atonement etc. This man can play any character, portray any emotion with ease. He was so good in the first movie, and he would have been so good in this too. However, I must say that he does what he can with what is given to him. I can’t remember the name of it now, but in some podcast, he admitted to not even being sure if Strange had a character arc in this movie

[@donovan_salgado]

it supposedly be him letting other people take the lead, that he not supposed to do everything himself which is so stupid he literally trust Tony to save the universe cause he knew he be snap also hated how everyone was giving him shit for the letting Thanos "win" that he had to do things his way but he look at millions of outcomes and this was the only way ! like I know people on the internet had pointed out other ways to win but come on you gotta follow your own lore and logic. it was so stupid that everyone was trying to make him the bad guy and how the illiumatie with CAPTAIN AMERICA were judging him for the actions of a different person like that's kinda racist or is it personist. I mean I still liked the movie it's the second best mcu work behind Spider-Man nwh since endgame but doctor strange was very mishandled in his own movie for scarlet bi*** and America chavas

[@vollied4865]

Unpopular opinion his portrayal of khan in into darkness was the best thing of that movie, people can hate the movie all they want but remove those nostalgia glasses and think about in lore khan, and Benedict popping that dudes head like a cherry was both accurate and scary, never saw o.g. khan ever kill a dude just saying

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

The sad thing is that the behind the scenes footage showed he REALLY did his best, but there really isn't much a great actor can do with an atrocious script.

[@ramerefauntleroy4881]

He literally plays the same character

[@christophertomasello1227]

I feel bad for Benedict too! Maybe you should set up a GoFundMe page for him!

[@MetalThornTree]

Spider-man 3 has actually aged pretty well against some of the modern comic book movies in comparison. You can take that any way you like...

[@Samrules888]

spiderman 3 had the same problem. trying to make sandman sympathetic. he KILLED uncle ben he doesn't get a sympathy token

[@alexanderthegreat7329]

@@Samrules888 lol look at the little pea brain trying to string together two points completely unrelated….the intelligence of this comment section is astounding

[@deadnorth8648]

@@Samrules888 didnt his partner spook him Also I can only defend spider man 3 so far That's pretty much about it But it didnt kill the ginger so it wasn't woke...

[@Kaiju_Lord]

Spider-Man 3 is fucking entertaining as hell. The action and memes are fantastic

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Spider-Man 3 is a great film.

[@pmz1981]

America: I can't control my powers! Strange: Yes, you can. America: Oh.

[@RicoRaynn]

I do dislike the whole ‘forgiveness’ bullshit when it comes to Wanda as a character. Grief is not an excuse to be a complete asshole. We all deal with trauma. Did anyone excuse Patrick Bateman because his dad died and his mom ended up in the loony bin? No, the guy was psychotic. But it seems like they want us to have some sort of empathy for Wanda being a full on serial killer at this point.

[@deadnorth8648]

You do see the last few years of the world right... Most of the bad guys get away with it or fail upwards Not being a jerk that's just the point of it They want bad people

[@charlesws7825]

These woke Current Year elitists can't even have enough respect for Wanda to generate empathy...they expect us to serve her tea and sympathy because 'her fee-fee's'. Kevin and his 'creatives' sure wouldn't understand high concepts like redemption...or we can't just be given (or in Wanda's case, take) anything, we must earn something of great value. Self entitled posers who know nothing about how reality works aren't liable to tell good stories or create enduring characters.

[@charlesws7825]

@@deadnorth8648 The perfect example of failing upwards: the idiots responsible for Batwoman. They didn't just plague our culture for three damned years, they've moved on to greener pastures to screw something ELSE up!

[@jonathanbyers9098]

couldnt have said it better

[@RicoRaynn]

@Fax Machine my comment was based on the writers interviews from Wandavision on. Originally, they didn't even want to include a villain because, and I quote 'Grief is a big enough villain'. Which is such a Gen Z comment it's disgusting. My feelings trump everything else in life. Pander to me. The comics did Wanda's slip into madness so much better, because she wasn't doing crap for selfish reasons. Even the excuses I hear are grade A retarded crap. "She's just trying to get back to her children.' Her kids were pure figments of her imagination. End of story. So, she basically went on a murdering spree to save a fucking unicorn. Even to the point that she would basically murder another child in Chavez. I mean, at least with Thanos we could understand where the guy was coming from because he literally witnessed his civilization tear itself apart. He was still horrible, but you could see the road that led him to that point. Wanda is straight up pulling the 'Anakin kills younglings' trademark move. It was crappy writing then, it's crappy writing now.

[@DLTyrus]

Above all my other gripes with this movie, I wish the ending had been an actual *defeat* of Wanda instead of her simply conceding. You can even do it in a super cool way that makes everyone look good. Observe: Zombie Strange and Wong do their thing until Wanda is trapped but breaking free, and Strange gives a (slightly less) cringy pep talk to America Chaves that centres around her using her powers to bring the REAL strange back with a portal, instead of "kicking witch ass" or whatever. While this is happening, Wong is struggling to hold Wanda and yelling at Strange, who continues saying something to America Chavez that the audience doesn't hear. America gets her girl boss moment of actually using her powers with intention for the first time, and brings Strange back from the alternate dimension. Strange and Wanda have a final one-vs-one battle after Wong is incapacitated again (sorry Wong, that happens to you a lot in this movie I guess.) Wanda gets the best of Strange, because she's more powerful or whatever, but just as Wanda has him ready for the kill, Strange yells "Now!" to America Chavez, who again uses her powers to open another a portal. This time, however, Strange combines her portal with some magicy mcguffin-ness to expand it so that it opens a portal to EVERY VERSION OF WANDA'S KIDS IN THE ENTIRE MULTIVERSE. And there Wanda stands over Strange, poised to kill him, with every version of her kids looking down on her from a million different windows, and all of them seeing her for who she really is: A monster, and a killer. Therefore, much like with Dormammu, Strange defeats Wanda not with might but with brains, and ruins any hope that she could ever escape to another dimension to be with (not) her kids, because they will all fear her now. Devastated and in a fit of rage, Wanda tries to bring the whole mountain down upon them all, to which Strange sling-rings himself, Wong, and America to safety, leaving Wanda to bury only herself. This accomplishes three things: 1) Wanda still gets to be the all powerful scarlet witch, more powerful than anyone else in the film, and still be the agent of her own demise without claiming the actual agency of the moment. 2) America Chavez still gets to save the day and have her girlboss moment, but without overshadowing Doctor Strange or suddenly learning to completely master her powers in 5 seconds, just because a Zombie believes in her. 3) Strange gets to ACTUALLY BE THE ONE TO DEFEAT WANDA and does so using what has always been his strongest quality: his intellectual brilliance. I'm going to imagine this is how the movie actually ended, as well as that the whole Illuminati scene never happened.

[@ema4020]

Or simply don't make Wanda a villain. Rewrite WandaVision and make Mephisto the main big bad instead of Wanda acting like a crazy bitch. Mephisto planned everything. He would come back in Multiverse Of Madness as the main villain, and everything is solved. Wanda doesn't die or get turned into a psycho.

[@DLTyrus]

@@ema4020 I mean yeah this is totally valid and definitely better for her character overall, but I don't hate the idea of a good character turned villain based on the amount of trauma they've been subjected to. But the whole point of my comment was to try and change a little as possible of the overall direction of the movie but make the outcomes for each character more satisfying and appropriate.

[@tranngockha6562]

I love this

[@ohcool]

@@ema4020 I wish this would've happened :( I felt really bad for her in the end.

[@toukie2705]

It’s just a copy plan of what he did in the first movie lol F-

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

A huge point Critical Drinker brought up was despite all of her grief Wanda never looks for another Vision in this movie. She looks for the kids she didn't have. She doesn't even have the guts to look for ones who lost their mother, instead she wants to rip them from their current mother. Still seems far more likely to find a version of Vision who's still alive out in the Multi-Verse to fall in love with than to just kill another version of yourself to have her kids. If Vision is irreplaceable and no copy will suffice why would a copy of her kids work?

[@frocat5163]

Yep. I didn't hate the film, but the majority of Wanda's motivation is utterly nonsensical. In an infinite number of universes, there are literally an infinite number where Vision and the kids exist, but in which Wanda has died. She could go to any of those, introduce herself to Vision and begin a new relationship, then become the mother she wanted to be. The only reason to choose the path she chose is either because: a. She's stupid b. She's evil c. Marvel Studios is too stupid to write an intelligent screenplay.

[@majorlazor5058]

She didn’t look for another Vision because he still exists in her own reality.

[@grahammcintosh240]

@@majorlazor5058 wrong

[@GrimmtokiAMV]

@@grahammcintosh240 did you watch Wanda vision? Vision is alive and well

[@mikemartins3297]

I think it’s because in this sense she made/ birthed those kids with her powers the way real women give birth. Vision is just someone who came into her life and is irreplaceable in that sense. I guess the connection to the kids she made/ birthed is stronger so her obsession with them would be also.

[@portland-182]

Making the 'movie' a sequel to a TV show that not everyone in the intended audience has seen is a whole new level of idiocy.

[@serchtopo]

Not really. Didn’t see Wanda Vision and had no problem following the plot and enjoying the movie. At this point everything in the MCU is a sequel to something that not everyone has seen.

[@Naomi-xu4hq]

@@serchtopo Doctor strange shouldn’t have been a sequel to Wandavision, a Wanda movie should’ve been.

[@4doorsmoreguns193]

@@Naomi-xu4hq yeah 99% of people went to see this because of Dr Strange and all the cameos not feminist bullshit If I hear "wAnDa is tHe moSt pOawerfUlll!!" one more time😐

[@user-px3cv8sp8g]

Its even funnier cause nobody cared about wanda when there were o6, but after the wandavision (the first series) twt (lol) went crazy after their "queen" and now they are pushing wanda down everyone's throat

[@larspedersen8280]

@@4doorsmoreguns193 stg I saw that pin on her jacket and the fact she had two moms just because. Not adding anything to the story. Stopped the movie right then and there

[@redman4669]

My favorite part of the movie is when they bring in mister fantastic just to have wanda turn him into spaghetti. So stunning and brave!

[@yp_biggie]

I'm pretty sure beating Professor X in his own mind dimension, where he is a god, is more stunning and brave

[@kyleweaver9830]

This Reed must not go up against Doom and Galactus on a regular basis.

[@Muskiew]

Blows my mind… 😬

[@yp_biggie]

@@kyleweaver9830 I'm pretty sure this Reed would get blown by Kyle Rittenhouse 😂

[@Gary_Nadeau]

@@Muskiew too soon 😅

[@thenewzealandgringo9296]

This was a convoluted and woke disaster. I just watched this today and was quick to realise what I was in for. I won't be watching any more Doctor Strange movies and probably not any more Marvel movies for that matter.

[@EternalFinity]

tell me youve never seen a woman irl without saying that directly

[@TuningAnApple]

How is it woke??

[@GabrielAlfaroCossio]

It is one of the biggest feminist pandering movies since captain marvel, and that’s a lot. Vfx, acting, photography, and directing is great, but the script is so trash it throws all the potential out the window. I was expecting to watch Dr strange character develop and grow, instead I watched a movie introduce America Chavez a girl who got her powers from getting scared and a crazy woman corrupted by an evil force she already overcame during a whole show with multiple over 40 minute chapters.

[@EternalFinity]

@@GabrielAlfaroCossio oh god there is a woman in the movie it is now unwatchable

[@chad5617]

@@TuningAnApple To name a few, Dr Strange gets made fun of for being the white gringo that doesn't speak spanish, America Chavez wears her LGBT pin on her jacket to represent her lesbian moms that she killed. The male heroes are useless fighting Wanda and instantly die but the females put up a really good fight and last quite awhile. The list goes on.

[@CorruptBloodOffical]

My favorite part was when they pretended like black bolt saying something would have actually caused a reaction to his body like you expect me to believe the skin over his mouth is stronger than his skull along with the fact that he trained his entire life to be able to control his vocal cords so he wouldn't kill his wife and family in his sleep

[@Naomi-xu4hq]

Even if he did react, sound moves throughout your hole body so it’s not like his windpipes can’t handle his own voice

[@whiterabbit75]

You're asking a lot from people whose knowledge of the characters can fit on the back of a trading card.

[@PreferredCustomer]

I agree this was the dumb part of the movie for me. Why she didnt just insta-kill Captain Britain and Blackstar like the other guys made no sense, beyond wanting a girlpower fight. She wasnt toying with them for last or anything. And those two just standing there watching others die was very stupid.

[@baileybrinker5935]

I may have missed it, but when I watched that scene, I thought that Scarlet Witch just imploded his brain…because it just makes no sense for him to cause his own death with his own powers…but maybe that’s me giving them the benefit of the doubt and I should shut my mouth.

[@AJ2099]

It’s a movie and I thought that shit was raw asf

[@Red_Devil_2011]

Also: the psychopaths in Pedowood do not know how to write families. The scenes with Wanda and her sons felt so artificial. Not warm, loving and realistic. (Like the cringe when she cried because the spoiled kids pestered her for ice cream). Plus, those multiverse boys came from SOMEWHERE; would have been nice to see a dad around. But that's too much to ask for. I should just be glad they didn't force her kids to be black, to fit with current agenda.

[@GustEdgeOfficial]

You clearly did not watch the same movie I did. She was crying because she actually was face to face with “her” kids again.

[@Red_Devil_2011]

@@GustEdgeOfficial Whatever, man. It's one small example; I simply found the ice cream song very annoying. My points still stand.

[@GustEdgeOfficial]

@@Red_Devil_2011 I thought it was cringe yeah but it was the kind of cringe that comes off as cute because it’s kids trying to be cute

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

@@GustEdgeOfficial crying and yelling. the only emotions the millennial hollywood screenwriters know how to write. reminds me of that scene in the garfield spider man movie where gwen stacy's dad dies, and peter parker just lets out a pathetic howling scream like he can't control his emotions in response to the death of someone he just met. which, in turn, reminded me of that meme video of the androgynous 20-something in a green jacket screeching in response to the news that donald trump was elected. it's the lowest common denominator. these people seriously only know how to write characters as shallow, immature, and fragile as themselves. on the rare occasion that they write someone with half a spine, the character will be modeled after their boomer parents, and the whole screenplay will revolve around embarrassing and humiliating and degrading that character. that's basically the role of doctor strange in this film. just like picard in the new star trek series, or luke in the new star wars series, or any number of other traditional characters that were originally developed by competent writers but are now being shoehorned into soulless cash grabs. just boomer voodoo dolls for the insecure contemporary writers to stick pins in

[@GustEdgeOfficial]

@@ToxicallyMasculinelol so men never cried in movies before during emotional moments? It’s purely a millennial Hollywood trope?

[@devlinallistair5147]

What's this trend in Hollywood now where they're deliberately alleviating their female characters of any accountability? Wanda's not evil, just misunderstood. Maleficent's not evil, just misunderstood. Cruella's not evil. Her mom was killed by Dalmatians. Ahhhhh! It's ludicrous.

[@Sakyosha]

It's the undiscussed, central point of feminism.

[@normal6969]

So hollywood despise women by showing them as unresponsible, agressive jerks? That's heavy. :D

[@nont18411]

Yelena Belova is not evil, just having fun when committing mass murder.

[@Sakyosha]

@@normal6969 no, they want to normalize it

[@normal6969]

@@Sakyosha I know, see my name ;)

[@punksnotdeaditsconservativ1693]

I can't believe this is the first time this thought has entered my mind, but it dawned on me that these writers were actually paid to create these shows. This is why hiring people based on anything other than ability to complete a certain task is a very dumb idea. I'm not sure the English vocabulary contains the words to accurately describe just how terrible Marvel's content has become.

[@s77lom49]

How about... "SHIT".

[@Niko-kq6lv]

@@s77lom49 How about......."Crap"

[@petertran8384]

Seems more like rushed to me

[@jonathancummings6400]

It's not terrible, it's entertaining to a GIANT number of people. This movie almost grossed 1 Billion dollars. "Terrible" movies gross under 95 million. I actually liked and was entertained by this movie. Wanda fans liked it, except for the fact that she almost certainly died at the end. The people wanting to see the heroes that showed up in cameos as the Illuminati were happy as well, except they died too quickly. The fact that Dr. Strange can't defeat Wanda in a straight up fight and yet kept fighting to stop her makes his heroism that much greater. He was a much greater hero of this movie than he was in the first Dr. Strange. The Time Stone really is what defeated Dormannu. Here, neither he nor America defeated Wanda, Billy and Tommy, the sons of the alternate Wanda that she coveted defeated her. They rejected her, which defeated her quest, then in despair, she destroyed the Darkhold, and dropped it on herself which presumably killed her as well. The after credits lead apparently to Dr. Strange 3, with the Charlize Theron character as part of the adventure. Just like the after credits scene of WandaVision led to Dr. Strange 2.

[@heronekkotheanimer7386]

@@jonathancummings6400 Well it earned so much money because was the continuation of a very good and popular movie, so people went thinking it would be as good but were mistaken. It was cool seing the cameos and a second later, one of the worst thing in the movie as it just spit in the face of 4 extremelly powerfull heros that couldnt take a wanda on a 5x1 (remembering it wanst the ovepower wanda of the original universe, but a weaker version of herself from that universe, so there is no excuses for that). Dr Strange was a greater hero with a better development in the first movie, he went from a arrogant doctor to being up to imprison himself for eternity on a death loop to protect the world from dormanmu, with the time stone being a tool for that (saing the jewel defeated dormanmu is like saying the infinity gauntlet defeated thanos instead of the avengers). And in the end wanda sons being the ones to "defeat" wanda is very weak and put all the journey of chaves and strange into the shitter, because if they havent interfered, wanda would still scary her sons and chilled out after that. The only one with a real development was chavez, which is very dumb as the movie should be about dr strange.

[@phonepunk7888]

Grief is a villain? This might be the most womanly thing I’ve ever heard in my life. How do you intend to defeat the emotion of grief? Maybe with a tub of ice cream? This chick would be better off writing feminist fiction, at least there nobody would call her out on being lazy.

[@FortuitusVideo]

It's not a bad concept but the genre of comics and action movies requires that grief, and other concepts, should be embodied by a physical representation. A monster or a character to be fought.

[@AImighty_Loaf]

@@FortuitusVideo representation and symbolic metaphors are so literal and lazy in Disney products. Couldn't imagine them making something that can be interpreted by the viewer for meaning like Taxi Driver. You know, like most great works of art.

[@Rivershield]

Lmao you have a point

[@piercemchugh4509]

Isn't grief the villain for Zemo in Civil War? Don't see anyone complaining about that.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

Lol this lady must deal with grief especially on being alone.

[@samuelrivera7762]

I noticed too when Wanda fought the illuminati she easily took the men out but had a harder time with the women.

[@silashurd3597]

This shouldn’t even be surprising anymore.

[@samuelrivera7762]

@@silashurd3597 for real lol

[@Instinct3000x]

To me that's "sexest"....... what!!?? If a woman can say it's sexest then men can to. Fair is fair lmfao 🤣

[@sigmacademy]

To be fair, with the exception of Black Bolt and Prof X, she took out Black Bolt first, so at least it was an acknowledgment that he could have been a threat to her. Prof X being "killed" inside of a mental projection - that one I don't understand (because dying in a mental probe in this film was presented like a dream, which STILL doesn't explain how he died; and there were other, more logical ways you could have killed his character... again).

[@TheMARVELironman]

don't forget that the woMAN with no powers survived the longest of the 4

[@brettbaratheon9776]

It is madness how these “writers” and “producers” are allowed to do this. They know it’s bad too.

[@bighands69]

I suspect there was an original script that was probably much better and they then decided to change it all for their own ends.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

They're allowed to do this because it is making bank! Normies are lapping this movie up, the Marvel stans are lapping this movie up, and sadly many in the fandom menace are lapping this movie up. No, this movie ain't woke. This movie is good. This ain't a bait and switch. Apparently Marvel have found the formula to turn shit into gold.

[@rmglover3191]

Like, almost, a multiverse.... of madness. (I'll let myself out now, thanks)

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

Don’t fast food sellers know their food is garbage ? Disney/MCU is just that, fast food entertainment. Absolute trash but it holds you over and you feel like shit after consuming it lol

[@arcylic8988]

Maybe their goal is to use the multiverse to make us mad? Hence, Multiverse of Madness. I don't know. This maybe the last MCU I watch in Cinema.

[@lucianof9080]

Funny enough, it all started going down when Mephisto, who's supossed to be a villain, wasn't present in WandaVision. And about all those spells, I think it all could have ended without a single fight if only one of her former teammates, the avengers, was there to talk to her and make her see the bullshit she was about to do.

[@justaguy105]

Something that kills me about all of this is that Scarlet witch gets her powers from the Mind stone that was in the scepter, and Captain Marvel gets her unstoppable powers from the Space stone that was in the Tesseract. Yet they try to make it like these two were just destined for badassery all along and the Infinity Stones are just.. paper weights?

[@jb-gt8oi]

Wanda powers where enhanced from mind stone/ fully awaking her powers. That’s why she barley had any magic when she was growing up until hydra found her. Captain marvel…..um idk what you’re talking care to explains to me on why she was destined to be badass.

[@aurielayala9683]

The Infinity Stones are paper weight in the TVA.

[@salohcind3349]

It's not known in the movies yet but wanda was an experiment by the high evolutionary as well as getting enhanced by the mind stone.

[@Ironmanx37]

This is why I really don’t like the multiverse, it gives an excuse to have multiple versions of the same characters and it all turns into a massive cluster F!

[@luv_mark]

Probably their setting up secret wars.

[@dimasstrandom6406]

the execution of this film was bad. I don't get it why people still love multiverse. More like fanservice to me.

[@danielcoronado4010]

What annoyed me is that they are treating corruption, grief, loss, madness, insanity and ultimately a human being turned into a bag of emotional pain, as a joke. Literally this should have been a sad movie, a terror movie, and not a regular Marvel movie, but I guess they would need the writers of Arcane to do just that, because Wanda is basically in the same place as Jinx. But well, whatever, Marvel doesn't know how to be serius, they are shallow with everything, even with their political sh*t.

[@damonbeza3767]

Even if they did get the writers from arcane there would be too much interference from mavel and Disney to actually let them write a story as good as arcane's

[@revan3841]

Arcane was some good shit. Even had a naturally evolving lesbian relationship, instead of shoehorning one in.

[@Eternalsfan]

Bahahahahaha!

[@JadeRunner]

Arcane is a fucking masterpiece. Any show that can get _me_ to empathize with a Marxist villain _and_ enjoy the music of a lesbian band is something special.

[@charlesws7825]

I haven't seen this movie yet. I never will because it's a Kevin Feige Production and not a Sam Raimi Film. One thing that interests me is how insulting this movie is to Wanda (and women in general)...she's basically gone psycho and evil because of an overdeveloped maternal instinct and sense of self entitlement?? Uh, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that misogynist?! Another interesting thing is Captain Carter, who of course got her start in that dumb What If? show. I have no problem with her character or the actress playing her. I get the concept and she can be awesome in her own right. Yet the M-She-U decides that her live action incarnation has to die in the movie? I can see Sam Raimi doing that and killing legends like Professor X and Reed Richards for pure shock value -- if only Wanda really earned the power she had to do such things -- but that isn't showing Carter and any fans she's earned a whole lot of respect! Feige sure didn't feel 'diverse and inclusive' enough to let Affirmative Action Captain Marvel stick around...maybe he was more scared of Brie?

[@notomorrows7491]

I literally fell asleep during that movie. My son woke me up at the end and said "That wasn't a very good movie, dad."

[@theyntlykus]

Your son understood that the movie was boring at some point & didn't even want to wake you up until it ended😂 Respect💯

[@kariverson1]

I liked the part Wanda Omni-Maned the Illuminati. My problem was the inconsistent powers of her. If she can make confetti out of Mr. Fantastic with her mind, and change the reality of the body of someone, why can't she do that to everyone else?

[@joshuagraham2843]

glad i’m not the only one noticed wanda omni maned them all

[@MrDK-oy8wi]

With her powers how can they make fight scenes interesting she can just change everybody into anything and move on... They have atleast tried to make it little interesting

[@MuiGohan]

I believe in the comic she rewrote reality or some shit like wen she said mutants no more idk if that's the power representation they were to show us saying she's OP which we knew or jus throw characters in their that couldn't even really fight back

[@cityguard4847]

I presumed that was because in comparison, Mr Fantastic doesn’t have any sort of... well, defence against it. Try it on someone like Captain Marvel, a much higher tier character in raw combat, and it won’t go so well. How she got Black Adam is beyond me, but quick thinking and just the right manipulation basically got him to kill himself.

[@dandyjandon4231]

agreed takes you out of the film cause you have to wonder why she didnt' instant kill captain carter and marvel. Also mr fantastic true power is his mind but they made him a dumb ass in this film ;_; lastly it seems like they are wasting the multiverse aspect for creativity and fun and using it for diversity and bs only. So a way to make people not really die, and to race swap and do woke stuff. Instead of really cool stuff like showing galactus vs thanos or something insane like showing odin vs thanos, etc insane battles of super villians and hero's y in diff. multiverses or perhaps some hero as a bad guy,etc.

[@Infamous1892]

Was expecting Baron Mordo VS Strange, but instead we got told that Strange is a very bad person, while destroying Wanda's character. I don't get why sjw types complain,"there are no strong female heroes." Then they cheer that Wanda is now a horrible person. Glad I didn't money to watch it. Also, America Chavez fight scene is so fuckin funny when she punches Wanda. It's like watching someone play dance dance revolution, and kick, and punch and kick and punch.

[@jeffjefferson2853]

They're upset that all the good strong female characters were already created by white guys decades ago. Hell, X-Men alone has like 50, all created before the 90s even. But I guess since they smiled and were attractive they don't count

[@sunlesswingzero3846]

I thought that too, well we did get a scene vs Mordo. I did find it odd how they act like he needs the knife in his hand when he literally gave the knife to Tony and disappeared in the snap SMH

[@richardmalcolm1457]

"I don't get why sjw types complain,"there are no strong female heroes." Then they cheer that Wanda is now a horrible person." That's the horrible part. What we understand to be horrible, they perceive as *righteous and good*. As Gary says, they really do seem to have a problem with the whole right-and-wrong thing now, because ideology has so warped their morality.

[@haraldbredsdorff2699]

The first Dr strange move, ended with a hint that next would be Baron Mordo VS Strange, so where on earth did they get this script from? I don't understand current Hollywood at all. They set up the next movie, then ignore everything they told in the last movie. Are there no real script writers left?

[@ashleypenn7845]

Because horrible people ARE their heroes.

[@Arassar]

The amount of emotional validation they're heaping on the villains like Wanda and that chick from Falcon and Winter Soldier is really, really pathetic. FFS, Marvel, they are NOT GOOD PEOPLE. The fact that DC and Marvel are trying so hard to make these objectively horrible people into sympathetic characters is really disturbing. Instead of showing them having a change of heart and REPENTING for their crimes, we get "they'll never know what you sacrificed," and "I know you made it right." Endless emotional validation. PATHETIC.

[@AImighty_Loaf]

Feminist writers man. Go get your fix elsewhere. I doubt the disney consumers have even seen 25% of the genuine, great Hollywood movies throughout history.

[@onebeerleft13]

The writing is horrible, & its made worse with the fact that there's no good reason why they're evil. Wanda misses her robot boyfriend/fake kids & Sharon sells illegal arms/drugs because...she can? 😂

[@palladiamorsdeus]

​@@onebeerleft13 Sharon got screwed so hard starting in Infinity War, where the writers forgot she existed entirely, to Endgame where her boyfriend forgets she exists to break time travel rules and his entire character to go back and be with her aunt, to... whatever that was in Falcon.

[@Soldierboy54b]

"How do you write women so well?" "I think of a man; & I take away reason & accountability."

[@gabrielboorom2683]

Lesson Learned: Treat superhero movies written by Feminists the way men treat Feminists: By AVOIDING THEM.

[@ilmanmaulana3282]

"Okay, Mr. Fantastic. The first time you introduce Mr. Fantastic into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, you killed him immediately. Barely shows his powers. He supposed to be the smartest man in the MCU, and he was a completely dumbass" I repeat it 3 times and still make laugh out louds, literally laugh out louds. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That line is gold bro

[@jwwilliams5407]

So, Wanda is more powerful than she was in WandaVision right? If so, why not just "re-create" her kids...? She already knew that they weren't real, right? Or since she could possess herself, why not just stay in that body? She was planning on stealing kids from herself? Idk her motives are mind-boggling stupid

[@sivad1025]

Or, why not go to a universe where Vision is raising the kids but Wanda died? The lack of Vision in this movie is truly astounding. It feels like an executive sent down a note saying Vision couldn't take part in saving Wanda because she doesn't need no man

[@TheBlueExiles]

LOL that would have save everyone a lot of trouble.... just make a new couple of kids and new husband, and BAM, roll credits

[@Samrules888]

The scene where she goes to happy Wanda's house should have gone on for longer with the kids throwing things at her, her breaking down after being rejected by not her kids then happy Wanda threatening her before zombie strange and Mexico Chavez showing up and beating her extra thicc ASS. Then she could try to say she's an avenger and strange could be like "not anymore. avengers don't steal other people's lives" then she flares up and does the runes thing again then America gains control of her powers and teleports them to another dimension which wanda follows and strange is now free of the runes and able to turn her magic back at her or cast his own rune room, or send her back to her own body or something. and once she's beaten they put her in a medically induced coma for the rest of forever. or until they introduce the x men and magneto sets her free to be his minion or something

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

But then we wouldn't have the Multiverse of Madness would we? With the emphasis on Madness...

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 and we'd be better off

[@Yourpringledealer]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who laughed at America's backstory

[@AeneasGemini]

well I always rofl at the war of 1812, only America could lose a war it started itself, then claim it won

[@Yourpringledealer]

@@AeneasGemini the character not the country

[@dadtronic]

@@AeneasGemini even better when they participated in a sl@ve trade just to have to have a war to end it.

[@JoseSanchez-xj3xn]

@@AeneasGemini Clever girl.

[@ezb425]

​@@AeneasGemini KZbin really attracts all the idiots. A) The British started the war by seizing American ships and impressing American sailors (I'm certain that you don't know what 'impressment' is so you'll need to look it up) B) The Americans had as much (or more) cause to claim victory as the British C) The original comment was clearly about the movie - how could you think it was about the War for Independence? I really wish children weren't allowed on the internet - then I wouldn't have to listen to their asinine BS on every comment board.

[@ickyfist]

I don't blame sam raimi for this. Same as spiderman 3 it was the studio and writers screwing things up. Sam did a great job with the directing part of things, having nice set pieces etc. The problem is the writing and forced nonsense like america chavez.

[@InvaderZed]

I could see the obvious arc for scarlet witch and it would be dark and very Sam Rammi. and then disney G rated her 10 year character arc. this wasn't the worst marvel film but it's the one that ended my last thread of hope the writers/directors ever had a plan. or if they did disney exec's just dont care about story and character and are just selling...COOONNTTEENNTTT...

[@ramencurry6672]

The movie is fine. Too many armchair quarterbacks out there

[@benjamingraham8640]

This guy knows what he’s talking about I didn’t have any msheu moments in the movie there might have been America Chavez punching Wanda but America didn’t do much she needed to do something I think this movie was ok I’d definitely give it a rewatch. I had mixed feelings about the ending though how strange was just like what are we waiting for let’s go!!

[@UkPome]

@@ramencurry6672 the movie is smeh

[@charlesws7825]

Exactly, and everything was 'forced' by Kevin Feige. Makes me wonder what the Raimi Cut of this movie must be like...?

[@maxwellgates2202]

Hell yeah! Finally someone who calls out the Mcu for making it 616, I literally muttered in theaters "oh come on.." when they said the Mcu is 616, it really angered me, especially since if it were 616 then we would have had the Fantastic Four already and a whole different story.

[@superpow3755]

You realize the mcu is not apart of the comic multiverse but a adaptation’s of that multiverse then the mcu is 616

[@heraldofwar]

All she had to do was hook up with however she wanted and get pregnant - had some kids and repeat but noooo she has to destroy anyone or anything she wants and is 'justified' because she had 2 phantom children.

[@RAZGR1Z]

Pretty accurate depiction of the modern suburban woman. "I can't be happy so no one else can either!!!"

[@Margwa1984]

but its very clearly not justified lmao, her excuse is that "oh I just want children" but constantly in the movie its pointed out how flawed it is

[@Roe777]

She was corrupted by the Darkhold and destined to be the Scarlet Witch as written in the book, she wasn't just regular Wanda using common sense

[@notataco4203]

@@Roe777 🤫 shhh don’t use logic your messing with there message

[@haidenhill6358]

Imfao

[@dtzyYT]

My favorite part of this movie is that I haven't watched it.

[@Dousch]

"And you'll never have to." - Batman

[@darkseid6898]

Doctor Strange 2 and the whole M-She-U are CANCER. Nobody needs cultural marxism. America Chavez is worthless and disgusting. Boycott this woke trash.

[@ChadKirk]

All the MCU movies now feel like they were thought up and written in a 3 day brainstorming session with everyone taking turns being like “oh yeah and what if this happened? Oh and wouldn’t it be cool if…”

[@viniciuscardoso8056]

A child of 3 years old

[@CallMeMrAnderson]

I've heard the new Thor movie suffers from this as well. Not getting my hopes up too high for Friday.

[@ryanbarker5217]

these movies prove that cocaine is still a popular drug in hollywoke.

[@db153yt]

Wandavision is about a woman who's vibrator broke. I'm dead 🤣🤣🤣

[@williamramos1606]

I still don’t understand why she’s upset about her kids WHO ARENT EVEN REAL! Instead she should be looking for vision or finding a way to resurrect her brother because at this point that seems more plausible then traveling the multiverse for fake kids

[@jonnyg9865]

Maybe throw in the people who died in Sokovia and those at the Wakandan embassy she accidentally blew up trying to stop Crossbones? Her brother died as a result of their misguided alliance with Ultron. She had to sacrifice Vision for the greater good. Have it to where she's desperately trying to rectify the loss and mistakes of her past but is going about it in the worst way possible.

[@spritemon98]

Yeah! Why wasn't her brother the main person she was looking for?

[@bradjd6957]

As a man that doesn't have kids i don't think I will ever understand the feeling a mother goes when they have children and when they loose them. My opinion would only be based in theory I would not have any real life theory.

[@spritemon98]

@@bradjd6957 wouldn't it be the same kinda loss if you loose a sibling, parents or grandparents?

[@taintedsorrow6742]

She knows somewhere out there they're real, just not hers. Every night, the images of her children torture her. Hence, making her WANTS. I'm a woman and if one moment I'm happy and loving with my children while the next they're taken from me being so distant, not knowing if they're well or not (in this case, wanda wakes up), I'd be insane too. Every night the same images. Hence, why at the end Wanda tells the other Wanda "know that they'll be loved" so that she'll stop worry and let go. And between children and husband/spouse/partner, a woman will always choose their children first. So it's logical that Wanda doesn't go to find vision.

[@factsoveremotions6035]

Dr. Strange is made into a bumbling sidekick in his own movie to serve as a stepping stone for the “strong, MSheU character”. Hollywood wonders why discerning fans ignore these movies.

[@TheDarkkirb]

Because you're whiney little incels who don't like feminine progression in story telling and would rather complain about it then enjoy it ❄

[@murdoxvsp6023]

Wanda > Strange

[@fad3brino970]

@@murdoxvsp6023 yes but the movie isn’t titled « wonder in the multiverse of madness «

[@shadowthehedgehog3113]

Bruh, fans love these movies. Dr. Strange already is kicking ass at the box office (best grossing movie of the year). Dr. Strange was also definitely NOT a bumbling sidekick. Not all fans are triggered by female superheroes. You've gone past just opposing wokeness into "OMG female heroes. REEE!!!!"

[@mangshu21]

@@shadowthehedgehog3113 you love movies where main character is side character?? really?? you wanna have female superheroes then actually do it properly with a standalone movie.. but nah people like you will eat anything up

[@thebatman4279]

America Chavez looked remarkably healthy and clean for someone who's basically constantly escaping from one universe after another.

[@redninja3056]

Damn you'll complain about literally anything at this point huh?

[@metelineblue294]

@@redninja3056 it's Morbin' time!

[@thebatman4279]

@@redninja3056 It's not my biggest issue with this film but it would've been nice if they portrayed her as a bit more stressed out and trauma-ridden. She seemed too relaxed considering all that had happened to her.

[@sigmacademy]

@@redninja3056 Actually, it's looking at something critically and deciding if its plusses or minuses are more or less and determining that way if it is something that is PERSONALLY liked. It's what you do when you don't believe everything ever made was masterpieces or that everything should always be praised to high heaven and back, regardless of how many flaws it has. For example, many people wanted to see the new Firestarter. Many people were disappointed with the movie, despite being positive about it before watching it.

[@redninja3056]

@@sigmacademy no it's not it's complaining about something that has almost nothing to do with the movie and looking for reasons to not like it

[@matthewcb1970]

Not even worth a trip to the high seas for this one. From seeing Marvel on day one at the cinema, to not even bothering at all... Well done, MCU: you had a licence to print money and you blew it.

[@PerfectPrimarch]

I gotta say, I liked Scarlett Witch way back in Age of Ultron. She had a ton of potential, and by the end of Endgame they had set her up with an awesome bit of character development. And it only took one miniseries and one bait and switch film to completely ruin all the work that went into her creation. Good Job Marvel! You will reap what you sew.

[@fever-blade8343]

*sow not sew

[@datboiashy2957]

@@fever-blade8343 good job English teacher, here’s your gold star 🤡

[@matthewcarroll2533]

@@datboiashy2957 He earned it! :)

[@Eternalsfan]

🥱

[@charlesws7825]

They're reaping a HUGE loss in ticket buyers, the last I heard!

[@ecgamer3156]

I’m surprised he was able to say “that’s what happens when there is no men around” without being cancelled 😂😂

[@charlesws7825]

I know somebody's going to hate me for bringing this up, but how the hell did two moms bring America Chavez into the world? It could NOT have been like Wanda wishing her kids into existence in WandaVision. Based on pure logic and medical science, either of those ladies' gardens needed a seed...otherwise nothing would have grown, if you know what I mean. (To be much more blunt, a donation of icky guy sperm is kind of required.) But then, I probably just made a lot of idiots lose their minds saying that!

[@kipbowen974]

yea ik right

[@ecgamer3156]

@@charlesws7825 it’s pretty obvious it’s adoption

[@charlesws7825]

@@ecgamer3156 Stupid fact: Gabby Rivers' stories in the comics that retconned America Chavez into her brain damaged 'correct' version established that BOTH of her moms were her biological parents...because the dimension they're from is that magical. (Yup, it's THAT stupid, and it was never explained anymore than that. Is it any wonder America was hated by so many comics fans? I'll never understand how Gabby got to work for Marvel...unless she had some HUGE dirt on somebody...) The movie could have been a little different. I like your adoption idea and it makes sense, but why couldn't there have been a mention of that...or of America having a dad at all? Oh, yeah. 'Toxic men bad, a little girl don't need no dad, smash patriarchy, blah-blah-blah!'

[@dreiserrules9414]

I, too, laughed out loud at that one.

[@animezing2133]

Thank you for explaining what I was feeling! This ISN'T a Doctor Strange sequel, but a sequel to Wandavision with Strange in it... Smh. They neutered him.

[@emberframe6994]

Hardly Wanda vision sequal the TV show is much to good for this movie.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

Yeah if I got "neutered" and get to make love to Charlize sign me up!!! lmao

[@khonsu9378]

@@emberframe6994 It still isn't as good as people say it is

[@YoungKnickandtheMan]

@@emberframe6994 nah it was so boring

[@deadnorth8648]

@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 watch monster and come back

[@IndyBuckeye0]

It honestly felt like a chore watching this movie. Marvel is so bad.

[@cheeseburgersuperior1874]

Knowing Dr. Strange as a person who thinks outside the box, he would've already create his own spells. Such as creating a portal without the use of a sling ring. Remember, he was the first and only person was able to use the time stone in various ways. Yet, he couldn't create new spells presently? Lol.

[@herbderb4929]

So how far out should he see then dummy? In your calculations

[@cheeseburgersuperior1874]

@@herbderb4929 Lol. Ah, yes. You NEVER read any Dr. Strange comics and NEVER observed watching the first film. Typical FAKE FAN. Lol. How far? How about being the Sorcerer Supreme. Lol.

[@dadtronic]

@@herbderb4929 with the timestone: infinitely. Without: not at all.

[@charlieslusher5649]

The worst thing about Professor X's death in this movie is that it totally undermines Logan (IMO the best movie to ever carry the Marvel logo). He was given such a heartbreaking, yet perfect sendoff in that movie, that if you bring Sir Patrick Stewart back to reprise the role, you better have a damn good reason. And you don't need me to tell you that this movie did not.

[@TommieGun71]

Logan was a terrible movie.

[@mijanhoque1740]

@@TommieGun71 No it was amazing

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

Multiverse

[@jphyde1855]

This is a Multiverse. That Prof X wasn't the only one. It doesn't matter that Wanda killed them all as there are infinite others.

[@thebatman4279]

@@jphyde1855 So nothing matters in these Marvel films then? So why should I watch them?

[@IncredibleTOPCast]

The intro is EPIC!!! Seemed more like a Scarlet Witch movie than a Dr. Strange movie.

[@shadowthehedgehog3113]

Because Marvel movies aren't ONLY about their titular character. Watch Captain America: Civil War. That was borderline a whole ass Avengers movie.

[@IncredibleTOPCast]

@@shadowthehedgehog3113 Yeah but the core of the story was about Cap and Bucky. In MoM it seemed like Strange was a co star in his own movie. It's a fail for me after watching the 1st Dr. Strange. A shame they took this much time to flop.

[@shadowthehedgehog3113]

@@IncredibleTOPCast Captain America was WAY less the focus of Civil War than Dr. Strange was in Multiverse of Madness. The core of the story was about how Strange was going to stop Wanda to save America Chavez (and by extension the 838 and 616 universes).

[@elite.h8742]

That’s what I’m saying 🤣🤣🤣

[@davidhrahsel5089]

@@shadowthehedgehog3113 try all you want to keep this movie afloat. But it sucks...Heck, even the Wanda resolution in the end seemed like a cheesy Disney family movie meant for kids. Cringey as can be, and really hard to watch.

[@mrsir4274]

Hahahaha "vibrator broke and waits too long to have kids" are the best descriptions of these movies I've ever heard

[@Willowy13]

Scarlet Witch was sympathetic.. when she "rain of fire" Thanos. Then, they decided to destroy her the same way they did to EVERY character that was established in the MCU. Even if they wanted to turn her evil, the way they did it destroyed the character. It is a GOT Daenerys in a small scale. Wanda was never a wacko. Back in Ultron she realized Ultron plans were bad and sign up to the Avengers. Later she was crushed by the accident in Nigeria in Civil War. She seemed to be a caring character. Then, she fought Thanos and afterwards her mind broke so much she suddenly went wacko and enslaved a whole city and did this destruction in this movie? Get out! Clea is the wife of Strange in the comics and was a sorcerer supreme. You can bet your behind Disney will make her the Sorcerer Supreme in the next movie. Strange was a guest in his own movie.

[@FireJach]

Darkhold corrupts minds so her too...

[@jiko26]

Realistically strange was built that much in the previous movies that showcased him. he was mostly exposition. which was why at the start of the movie he was at the wedding of that girl he never dated. look in truth he didn't have a strong foundation to lead the movie completely alone. Wanda isn't like other one-note villains, she needed more care than that. it made sense to put these two together. What this movie did do was setup strange for more story arcs to further flesh out his character.

[@kelpie1533]

@@FireJach They didn't really emphasize that point. The movie should have been about freeing her from it's clutches. That would have been far more satisfying that the confused trash we got especially that ending. Guess we can't have men rescuing women anymore.🤷🏻

[@RAZGR1Z]

@@jiko26 How much Disney stock do you own?

[@dikariallen785]

@@RAZGR1Z lol

[@AxeTheViking]

Disney really included a Latina character whose superpower is crossing borders.

[@wolftales5203]

Underrated comment.

[@EatTheMarxists]

It should have been called Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Virtue Signaling. America was a crap character played by a lousy actress who is praised by so-called movie critics because she had two “moms”. That was it. That was her entire personality - she’s one of the Lettersalad people, and Disney must signal its Wokeness at all times. Wanda was fairly cool as a complete and utter murdering psychopath, but it’s impossible to sympathize with a woman who was in love with what really was a super-advanced sex doll. Vision was never human, no matter how human he seemed, and their children were created whole-cloth from her insanity. So how is someone supposed to feel bad for a woman whose mental disabilities should have sentenced her to a lifetime in the Funny Farm? The first Doctor Strange was way better imho. If you must see this movie then just wait until it’s at Redbox and will only cost you a few bucks.

[@rockinHurley777]

Lol lettersalad. I like that

[@AImighty_Loaf]

In the modern era, the nut-heads run the country and must be portrayed as good.

[@stevekramerf242]

@@rockinHurley777 Or alphabet soup.

[@aurielayala9683]

Pretty sure you weren't supposed to feel sympathy for Wanda at any cost in this movie, the movie literally portrays her as a psychopath through and through. As for America Chavez, she did have a personality and the actress played her just fine man.

[@FireJach]

It wasnt Disney idea the character is from world where only females exist. But whatever. What can I expect from this audience? 🤣🤣🖕

[@HarshitMathur1994]

I burst out laughing when you said Wong was thrown off the cliff because he was mansplaining 🤣🤣

[@SM1THYz1]

The whole time I was thinking: WHERE’S VISION, WHY HASN’T SHE MENTIONED VISION, WHY WASN’T VISION IN THIS FILM & SHE WANTS HER FAKE CHILDREN, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

[@LunarSpiral1127]

Hell, what about Pietro? HER TWIN BROTHER?!

[@SM1THYz1]

@@LunarSpiral1127 Yeah I don’t want my husband & brother, I want my fake kids who are 10 so I’ve missed most of their childhood 😂

[@kyotheman69]

ikr wouldn't she want Vision back first, wasn't that big part of that failed TV series

[@Crichjo32]

She don't need no MAN in her life - the writers.

[@AImighty_Loaf]

@@SM1THYz1 ofc feminist writers fantasize about single mothers never needing their man/husband only caring about their children when theyre not crying babies. Cherry pick the "good things" from life for your own selfish interests. The feminist fantasy.

[@bigg1288]

I think a lot of people are just overlooking the obvious. Marvel knows they're upsetting real comic book fans they just don't care. Even if they have to destroy the whole thing that they built up they are willing to do so to stick it to the real comic book fans who love mostly male characters. As Alfred told Batman in The Dark Knight "Some men just want to see the world burn".

[@ayokahbossYT]

Seem sexist to me

[@bigg1288]

@@ayokahbossYT I know right. It is certainly sexist to take beloved male characters who have been around for decades to make them take a backseat to johnny-come-lately or should I say Jane come lately woke, narrative fitting, garbage characters like America -nobody cares- Chavez who can't stand alone in their own movies so they have to piggyback off of beloved male characters. And then just to show they don't care they take those beloved male characters who are making their first appearances in the MCU and kill them off just to make their lame garbage characters be the last one standing to save the day. 🙄

[@sigmacademy]

That could potentially be true. So for who are they making these movies, if the movies hardly cover anything from the comics, and the only ones who enjoy it are people who either don't know the comics at all, or comic readers who don't care if the movies are NOTHING LIKE/BARELY the stories in the comics? It also begs the question: why are the pop culture sites even COVERING the comic side of these movies, if the comic side of things actually clearly points out the issues that the film side of the characters have to some degree?

[@bigg1288]

@@sigmacademy oh, it's 100% true. Why else would they hire directors on some of these movies that admit they have never read the source material?

[@Masculai1z]

In retrospect, it really makes you respect Scott Derrickson's decision. When an artist can't have their vision realized, it is better to part ways. The Fantastic 4 director also just bowed out, that should tell us all something.

[@CommandoCQC]

It wouldn't surprise me but I also think Watts probably got burned out as well after doing the Holland Spider-Man trilogy. Now whoever becomes director of that movie will give us a good clue what we're in for. Right now, rumors say it's Bryce Dallas Howard but then again it could be John Krasinski directing and staring so who knows at this point.

[@anibal5845]

God, they're gonna ruin Reed aren't they? As they've been doing for years in the comics.

[@Red_Devil_2011]

@@anibal5845 I can't wait to see a fun superhero movie about his--- ....divorce. Yay. You know they'll drag that on and on. I'm not gonna watch it.

[@Masculai1z]

@@CommandoCQC If Krasinski directs AND they actually let him do what he wants to do, then I'm all for it. Raimi had to do all these reshoots and cut runtime which is why there was so many problems in Doc Strange 2

[@anibal5845]

@@Red_Devil_2011 I've had enough of Marvel. They should go away and decades later be brought back by fans who remember when they were good. Unfortunately, sheeple will continue to pay to watch the movies no matter how bad they are.

[@Odious_One]

The director saying she can't follow the blocking in a comic book does make me wonder what grade in elementary school she managed to complete before becoming a "director", since that blocking is pretty much the exact same format as storyboarding which is part of her supposed job description.

[@gweetus]

That clip of Drax laughing needs to become a staple. I can't think of anything that better summarizes the m-she-u in 1 second.

[@Kaweebo]

You got one detail wrong: Kamar-Taj is in Nepal in the MCU, not Tibet. The reason being that Disney will sell their own fans out to get awards for ‘diversity and inclusion’ but will refuse to recognize certain countries as certain countries because China.

[@dorn0531]

I assume he got it “wrong” on purpose to annoy people who don’t think Tibet is a country

[@ImperativeGames]

I guess you would be annoyed too if Russia or China would make their biggest movies with country of Texas, freed from oppression of liberal-fascist America.

[@Kaweebo]

@@ImperativeGames Nah, I'd be cool with that. The US needs its ass kicked, tbh.

[@robobrain10000]

THAT was the joke lol. Obvi Tibet isn't a country, so he is making fun of Disney with that.

[@Sentinel82]

And yet it made a good amount of money because of the normies, so to Disney it was a great success. It's sad that the general public are pretty much a bunch of drooling mouth breathers.

[@spiceboyog9083]

I came out liking it but as it set in I started to realize how dumb the movie was. The only thing maddening was the movie itself. I was so hyped thinking it was going to be so crazy you had to watch it 3 time to understand what’s going on. No it was a simple plot and didn’t really involve the multiverse. This movie sucks

[@tebogotwala5185]

true. most normies dont really look into whats going on on the internet based on these things. they just take what they get and move on.

[@yokaidokena3659]

How do you think we got a barely sentient house plant for president?

[@Sutatu]

Normies...must...cooooonsuuuuumee

[@flintybraz1]

Not everyone is a die hard comic book nerd who is obsessed over every little detail and whose motto is "but in the comics ...'

[@zakiramad]

Here's an example, at the risk of sounding "misogynistic," they'll effectively turn Disney/Marvel/The Witcher/everything, into WNBA where no tickets are sold and audience shrinks to unimaginable level.

[@אריבן-ת1ס]

Remember how hard Monica Rambeau's daughter tried to convince everybody that Wanda isn't a villain? And that by the end of WandaVision she dealt with her grief? WTF was the point of all that? Apparently she was wrong. lol. Btw, isnt there a Vision out there in the world? They just skipped over that. Crazy.

[@jacelynlanga8099]

That was Monica her self not Monica's daughter, u talking about Maria Rambeau but u right tho

[@samcochran8203]

I bet he went and saved her at the end of the movie offscreen

[@ricardozk]

Yeah, I forgot about him.

[@professionalamatuer8064]

I haven’t watched a single marvel production that came out after Endgame and the more of these reviews I see the more glad I am. I miss good writing in Hollywood.

[@narrogers1571]

I still haven't seen Endgame. I gave up after Infinity War because they nerfed my favorite character.(Hulk)

[@professionalamatuer8064]

@@narrogers1571 That was major false advertising for Infinity War, given that you see Hulk in the trailers.

[@bighands69]

I seen black widow and that was bad Dr Strange 2 was even worse.

[@DontEvenLiftBro]

@@narrogers1571 nah they did hulk filthy 😂 thank god I’m not a hulk fan

[@zerocalvin]

same here, once I saw the plan for phase 4, i know where MCU is heading and I just call it quit after End Game... after seeing all the review, it is just as bad as I predicted it to be...

[@zeroryuj6093]

"do we need a villain?" - Apparently not in a marvel movie where the female character is supposed to be evil, nope, when that happens it's sympathy time. Captain Marvel's "villain" was essentially just the device that controlled her powers, which she overcame herself. (You could say it was supposed to be Kree, but that's honestly debatable, they're ambiguous at best) Black widow had a male villain, but it was a woman who created the serum to brainwash the widows but she helped Natasha so everything's fine and she gets to walk free. Wandavision - Wanda is overtly a bad person for her actions but "they'll never know what you sacrificed" and she "did the right thing" in the end. And Multiverse if Madness where after Wanda murders hundreds to thousands it's said AGAIN that she "did the right thing" for destroying the darkhold. Anytime a female is the supposed antagonist they always have to try to sympathetically justify their actions because in wave 4 marvel men are not allowed to talk down, or rationalize women or physically over power them, the women can only be confronted by other women, or they have to solve what ever problem on their own. (This is on full display for multiverse if madness where only the women are able to throw down on even terms, the message of her kids is attempted by the men but only sinks in when it's herself)

[@hebanker3372]

How much proof do normies need to realize that good storytelling and women don't get along?Yes,some women writers are good,but these are the exceptions,not the rule.Most women just want to insert themselves in a setting so they can feel good about themselves.Want perfect examples?Sana Amanat/Kamala Khan and Mariko Tamaki/Nightstar.

[@matthewcarroll2533]

@@hebanker3372 That's a pretty extreme stance to take don't you think? If these women writers are on one end of the spectrum, then you're completely on the opposite end by using such blanket statements. Male writers self-insert ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME - gender doesn't matter, it's being good or bad at writing that matters. As it turns out, men AND women can be equally terrible at their jobs, who would've guessed?

[@etsequentia6765]

@@matthewcarroll2533 If you wanna relate the all-inclusive and noble message "gender doesn't matter", why don't you go and lecture the narcissistic female supremacist self-insert writers? Don't tell us gender doesn't matter, *TELL THEM.* I'm sure they'll embrace your message. Come back and let us know how your lecture was received. 🤣🤣🤣

[@etsequentia6765]

Reminds me of a certain other Wolverine movie where the title character is little more than a rag doll pushed around and used by the real strong characters and exploited as nothing more than a platform for them to jump off of.

[@mirageknight8070]

Why can't they just make a badass female antagonist like Esdeath? This queen is probably one of the best female antagonists of all time.

[@OnlyTimefps9]

Dr strange MOM is one of the best film of all time in the history of MCU. …. When you get drunk or high. 😂

[@collinmeans8864]

I’m glad you pointed out the “they get killed in order of their privilege” scene. I rolled my eyes so hard it hurt my brain.

[@creed8712]

It’s defiantly aligning that old white men are the least privileged of us all

[@shakeemdiggz2354]

What's does that mean?

[@ryanpipoo]

@@shakeemdiggz2354 i gess it means that she killed the most privileged first: the white men, then the white woman, and then the black woman

[@shakeemdiggz2354]

@@ryanpipoo I guess. But Charles was last

[@ryanpipoo]

@@shakeemdiggz2354 well. He is in a wheelchair

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

My mom loved Wanda's arc... However, even her said "I Understand her pain... But i will never justifie her actions" Wanda was a broken person, she is not a bad one... But she was a Villain.

[@lonniedwayne9549]

So cool ur mom watches comic movies. My parents think I'm a geek. Lmao which I am.

[@andrewwashburn6080]

you can be both broken and bad which she was absolutely both. this idea that her being broken negates her badness or cause it to not exist is one of the great moral failings of modern times.

[@thephoenix4093]

nope she is a bad one a redeemable person is still a bad one if he is in need of redemption. she is not insane she knew what she was doing and why her actions are not justifiable.

[@FeedMeMister]

What she did was evil, doing evil makes you a bad person, and justifying the evil you do makes you irredeemable. MCU morality is disgusting.

[@azgardian32odinson]

@@FeedMeMister the dark hold is literally corrupting her.. but for me she is completely unredeemable

[@pass-the-juice]

the reaction black captain marvel gave when the two illuminati men got killed is absolutely bizarre. is she smirking? is she saying "ha those white males are dead, lets show wanda how strong we are"? i just dont get it. then they hadalong drawn out fight scene even though they arent as powerful as either reed richards or blackbolt

[@awesomemcawesomeson5138]

The fact that they race swapped another character is enough for me to pass on this movie!!!

[@jackielogan9104]

@mmm mmm don't like it

[@exononymous9842]

@@jackielogan9104 she wasn’t even there for that long. and not only that but we still have a white captain marvel so calm down.

[@FGitty]

@@awesomemcawesomeson5138 ms marvel was black before she was white in the comics a**hole

[@willl9046]

Weird how men can make these unwarranted assumptions. She didn’t smirk, to me she seemed a bit intimidated, it was a wince. This video and comment section is full of racism and sexism. Weirdo behavior

[@sherriwalters6095]

Dr. Strange is my favorite, along with Loki. This film was the worst! I’m sick of slight women and fat faced teenagers ‘rescuing the world’ because original favorite characters are now ‘too toxic and have to be put in their place”! I don’t ever want to see this Christine Palmer, America Chavez, Valkyrie, Scarlet Witch or any of the M-She-U ‘She-roes’ ever again!

[@blackmantis3130]

In first movie mordo tells strange that the rings can be used to travel through the multiverse so that means the whole point of Amerika Chavez is ridiculous.

[@jonnyg9865]

It wouldn't have been so bad if Wanda just asked Strange and Co. for help dimension hopping and they, knowing what she's after and on the heels of the Spider-Man fiasco, tell her no. So she finds Chavez, who's an amateur and naive enough to be convinced to help sad lady, and calamity ensues. Chavez joins forces with Strange at the last minute to help clean up the mess she and Wanda made. Chavez learns a valuable lesson, Wanda doubles down and continues on the path to full on villainy (this needed more development).

[@sigmacademy]

@@jonnyg9865 Yes, you could have had more or less the same kind of movie, but just with all the things we already know is possible in this universe - that would have made more sense, and you wouldn't have had all these unnecessary additions that contradict what the rest of the universe had already established.

[@urielthelesser]

I am continually amazed (though I ought to be used to it by now) by Marvel's capacity to diminish and demonize its characters, its best artists, its original writers, its (now former) audience, its critics (Who used to be fans. See how that works?), and itself.

[@deadseamonster]

It's all for the "greater good". They burn it in sacrifice to their god "Wokeness". Nothing else matters, including Disney's plummeting stock prices. Hope it was worth it assholes?!

[@catatetherat5138]

Another piece of 💩💩💩movie from hollyweard. 😀😃😀😃😂

[@willl9046]

Still making hundreds of millions of dollars per movie so why would they give a f*** about wat ur talking about.

[@Tracks2008]

That's actually Disney not Marvel. Disney calls the shots and makes the decisions and quite possibly even tells the writers what to write.

[@Wyfbeter]

@@Tracks2008 hes obviously talking about marvel studios which is owned by disney...

[@brz757]

I forget where this quote is from, probably an Asimov story: "You can't brush money's hair." It was in reference to a woman leaving her well paying job on an asteroid to go back to Earth and have kids.

[@zenon7774]

Do they put the ancient one to death for taking from the dark dimension? NO. Do they put scarlet witch to death for taking from the dark dimension? NO. But they'll put doctor strange to death for doing the same & saving the universe.

[@DEPR188]

What I don’t like about Wanda’s character is that her powers seem just too vaguely defined. It’s magic so everything is possible. One time she seems to be able to do anything and the next she won’t do something obvious just because of the plot. Until Wanda’s powers get better defined and follow some simple rules and limitations, anything that has her as a character will either make no sense or be boring. That’s why I think Wanda is more appropriate as a hero for kids’ movies.

[@derekfreeman6517]

Defined? Wanda is an Omega Level Mutant. Wanda literally almost doesn't have limitations. She's literally wiped mutant's out with her word's just by saying NO MORE MUTANT'S. In the comic's. Just shhh she's way more powerful than Doctor Strange it's not even close.

[@garrym5682]

Dude have you even read the comics? The inconsistency in her powers in the comics is on a totally different level. One issue she’ll basically just be throwing red energy bolts and getting KOd by random villains - next she’ll be changing all of reality.

[@RespectTheSourceMaterial]

@@derekfreeman6517 they wasted her character so much. She should have been the next big threat like thanos. It had so mich potential

[@DEPR188]

@@derekfreeman6517 I think that’s exactly the problem: that, as you said, she almost doesn’t have limitations. So, that will make it difficult to write a plot where you don’t ask yourself: why didn’t she just do this or that? I mean, once you’ve seen her doing almost anything, it becomes hard not to think about a million ways that she could handle things and win. So it’s better not to think about it too much and just enjoy the ride, as someone else said. That’s why I think the stuff based on her is better suited for kids who won’t think about things too deeply.

[@DEPR188]

@@garrym5682 I agree with you on the inconsistency. In my opinion that reduces the ability for adults to enjoy a film, because if you think about what you just saw for a fraction of a second, it probably won’t make sense. For example, being able to remove someone’s mouth with your mind means you’re able to alter people’s bodies. After I saw that happening, it just became impossible not to think why she didn’t just remove Dr. Strange’s hands or a million other things she could’ve done. As I said in another reply, this is why I think this is more appropriate for kids. As you can probably tell, I haven’t read any comics.

[@milordo]

I'm just glad I'm not the only one tired of people woke-washing good, established franchises i.e. Dr who, he-man, batman, resident evil, and more 🙄

[@thelakeman.]

How tf was the Batman woke

[@milordo]

@@thelakeman. when it fit a woman

[@alvybar2990]

@@thelakeman. because a woman was in it. Comic book movies need to be total sausage fests in order for these idiots to finally stop crying about “woke” bs lol

[@talentroller4413]

@@milordo that was batwoman not batman lol

[@milordo]

@@talentroller4413 which came from the batman franchise 🙄

[@franciscastiglione5832]

I’ve said it before, but the plot to this movie could have been 5 mins: once he realized AC’s powers could destroy the multiverse, he kills her, ridding the threat of her powers as they go with her, and one life is given to save the masses. The end.

[@frocat5163]

I assume you haven't watched the movie, then. In the opening scene, Dr. Strange tries to kill AC to save the multiverse, and he's portrayed as "evil" for even considering it. The MCU has leaned hard into the nonsensical idea that an individual is just as valuable / important as millions / billions / trillions of lives, and anyone who would even consider killing one person to save millions is a villain. Yes, murdering someone is wrong, but when the options are commit a terrible act and murder a single person, or allow someone else to kill that person so they can also kill millions of other people, there's only one choice...even if making that choice damns you as an individual.

[@NewWorldOrgone]

Just call it a late term abortion, feminists wouldve loved it

[@truckstopmedia1662]

Disney is Marvel. Marvel is Disney. Resistance is futile.