Doctor Who: 10 Things You Didn't Know About The Toymaker

[@kingofnonation5843]

"I walked in universes where the laws of physics were devised by the mind of a madman." Guess that was a toymaker reference

[@jaschul]

I thought he meant Omega, but both work

[@ivymoon5084]

I hadn't decided if it was referencing toymaker or omega 😅 or maybe the master (deadly assassin, 4th doctor tv story)

[@nessthecat]

He's been in a few mad universes to be fair.

[@andyhemsted4570]

Or Chris Chibnall?

[@happyhattergamer8078]

@@andyhemsted4570I laughed at this comment XD

[@Usagi2380]

Neil Patrick Harris as the Toymaker is going to be awesome I can't wait 😀

[@JoshRazauskas]

Lots of things I didn’t know. Thanks you guys for everything you do! 🙌🏼

[@limdennis813]

First time see an American actor portrayed a doctor who villain

[@kadosho02]

This is going to be epic

[@MichaelThomas-cy2kr]

​@@limdennis813guessing you don't count the 96 TV Movie with Eric Roberts as canon then?

[@RandyBaumery-s4i]

​@@MichaelThomas-cy2krgood comment.

[@derekp308]

The Toymaker has been speculated as being a demigod, and being the Crystal Guardian, being in league with the Black and White Guardians.

[@wwswhl773]

Are the guardians established in classic who?

[@BinroWasRight]

​@wwswhl773 indeed. The White and Black Guardians played very important roles in the eras of Four and Five. There are more of them, but we haven't met them on television unless the Toymaker is one of them, as spinoff media has implied. The Guardians of the Universe are likely the most powerful beings in the Whoniverse. They represent universal concepts like order, entropy, chaos, dreams and the like. They're essentially gods, but they have to work through intermediaries, as in the Key to Time saga.

[@wwswhl773]

thank you so so much for taking the time to explain because it helps the watch of the 60th so much (if he is a guardian)@@BinroWasRight

[@anhurtorrez]

​@@BinroWasRightah the key of time saga that brought back great memories with Tom Baker's Doctor, with Romana.

[@finnsempire5671]

Is he typically a time lord?😮

[@1978rharris]

Did you just say ZEE Cars?!?! Ffs, Sean!

[@julianaylor4351]

Zed Cars not Zee Cars, it's a British police series that ran from the 1960s for two decades, and in early episodes features Brian Blessed, as one of the police car officers. It was set in a suburb of Liverpool and many well known actors starred as guest, just like The Bill, which was set in London. I'm old enough to know the theme tune, which is based on a Liverpudlian folk tune, which is now ear worming me. Peter Purves went on to a stalwart of Blue Peter and much more successful as a television presenter. Neil Patrick Harris is a member of The Magic Circle.

[@PeerAdder]

Absolutely!!! Zed not Zee. Long list of actors who got their break on the show, thought not sure I would include Geoffrey Hayes in that list (Rainbow anyone?)

[@Chris_from_yealand]

Saying 'Zee' cars is a mistake of the same order as the infamous wrong hand gesture by Michael Fassbender's character in Inglorious Basterds. The Z-Cars theme tune is still used today at Everton so you can usually hear it on Match of Day when they have a match from Goodison Park.

[@richardfarrer5616]

I was about to make the same comment. Calling it Zee Cars is at least as wrong as calling a modern zombie movie World War Zed.

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

NPH is also a member of The Magic Castle in L.A.

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

@@PeerAdder It's Zee... and color and honor, defense, license,and ALUMINUM, not "Aluminium"... ;-P LOL

[@cthulhluftagn3812]

The Toymaker is a straight up Great Old One of lovecraft fame, the extended universe books wad unafraid to get all up in the cosmic horror/fantasy scene and R.T.Davis has said there gonna be including more fantasy elements in the new series.

[@donaldpingleton2382]

There's several doctor who novels and comics That deal with the toy maker The Marvel comic series from the 90s. That toy maker was a bigger deal than the master And I think Neil Patrick Harris gave us a clue. That the marvel comic series is cannon Because he mentioned his legion is coming That was a plot From the marvel comic book series in the eighties

[@magusware8721]

Never heard of celestial being used in reference to an era chinese history. I've always known it to be related to the stars and other "heavenly bodies".

[@thewiseturtle]

I was wondering if this connotation is a British thing. (And, obviously, from years ago, not recently.)

[@teresarothaar6225]

Yeah, the angels on Lucifer call themselves "celestials," meaning not of the Earth. I too am wondering if the association with Chinese people is a Brit thing. I've never heard of it.

[@TheZodiacz]

In the Talons Of Weng-Chiang the term is used. Marvelous story and now with race-swapping actors being acceptable no more whinging from virtue signalers about John Bennett. The Chinese referred to their country amongst other names as Tianchao (Celestial Empire)as the emperor was the son of heaven, and it was a romantic way to refer to China and it's people.

[@GreenJimll]

@@teresarothaar6225 Its not a thing this old Brit has heard of before.

[@vortexnavigator]

Not just a British thing, @thewiseturtle - I've seen the term used in a few of the early Shadow novels as well. It's probably more an Anglophone thing than just English/American people.

[@HellfireComms]

Thanks y'all, I actually needed this lol. Can't wait to see what they do with him in the last special.

[@WhoCulture]

Thank you - and same! Not long to wait now 😬

[@christinewhoyt]

SAS l'y, I won't be able to see it has we are celebrating my sister birthday although it has already past.

[@christinewhoyt]

​@@WhoCultureSadly, it's my turn to have plan

[@Jazzmin.Alexandria12]

@@WhoCulture Nope not long now and i cant wait and if NPH can pull this off i cant wait to see what he can do with other villains in Doctor Who if RTD brings him back witch i think he will

[@comicop2513]

Not a whole lot, considering he's in one special. Would be much better suited to a three-parter imo.

[@markgarrett8963]

wtf Zee Cars vs ZED Cars even if you are american the show was British

[@schoolingdiana9086]

Only people from England (not the UK) and Canada say “zed.” The rest of the English speaking world says “zee.”

[@drs-xj3pb]

@@schoolingdiana9086Oh, give it up! The show always was and always will be "Zed" Cars.

[@dw7704]

@@schoolingdiana9086I watch Australian shows where they say “Zed”

[@beebopvroop5218]

'Zee Cars'???? Dude- stop pandering to the American audience.....you're talking about a classic British TV show, I'll wager you've never pronounced the letter 'Z' that way in your life.

[@DanBrizuela]

I find that the toymaker being associated with Asian stereotypes is a bit accidental. Yes celestial can be used as a way to offend Asians, but the clothes he wears were reused from Marco Polo because they didn’t have money to make a new one. Add to that the writing and gough’s performance never really makes it feel to how stereotypical Asian characters were done at the time. Could be wrong

[@johnernest5843]

I felt the same way too, especially with the context of The Giggle episode. The Toymaker isn't some heinous troll like the Master, who would want to get under your skin for the fun of it. He's all about games--and all of his mannerisms, outfits, and behaviors are towards that goal. He's a force of nature that sees no good or evil--only winning or losing in a game. He could be dressed in chinese attire, speaking with a german accent, or even wearing some other outlandish costume, and he'd still be a terrifying force to encounter.

[@milqueto4st231]

Well now he only offends Germans, so I am okay with that.

[@fromthethirdplanet]

@@milqueto4st231well, that’s alright then!

[@SSGTStryker]

I did love The Toymaker’s face card Easter egg. If you look carefully you can clearly see it’s the image of him from the classic era, traditional robes and all.

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

I just want to see David Tennant and Neil Patrick Harris in some ham to ham combat. It'll be amazing.

[@schoolingdiana9086]

You sound like you’ve seen Dr Horrible’s Sing-Along.

[@jennymckinnon9528]

I expect the scenery to chewed to tiny bits

[@MrMann0123]

I just find it so odd that every long term fan ive spoken to immediately said that NPH was The Toymaker from the moment the first clip appeared. Just shows how they nailed it.

[@anubusx]

Bill and Ted should crossover with Doctor Who.

[@mrcritical6751]

He was dressed like a German Toymaker, it was kinda obvious

[@ehisey]

He just looks and sounds like the old Toymaker.

[@donaldpingleton2382]

@anubusx that happened in the marvel who comics

[@anubusx]

@@donaldpingleton2382 Wicked!!!

[@kryptonson]

When did celestial become a racial slur? I’ve never heard that before in my life. And I’m Chinese.

[@TheZodiacz]

when it became convenient for grifters to misuse it.

[@ElysoranNetwork]

Not to mention the Toymaker came back for the Big Finish audio, "Solitaire" featuring Charley as the main character while the Eighth Doctor remained a puppet. 10/10 = would recommend! Also Sylvester McCoy faces him in the audio adventure, "The Magic Mousetrap"

[@thirtyfoursevenzero]

Zee Cars? Always Zed Cars! Muppet...

[@Dreamcloud9ify]

ZED cars! I physically cringed when I heard the pronunciation.

[@schoolingdiana9086]

Again, that’s only the way it’s pronounced in 2 countries that speak English.

[@Dreamcloud9ify]

@@schoolingdiana9086 We invented the language, so it's pronounced ZED. End of debate.

[@dw7704]

@@schoolingdiana9086so which 2 countries?

[@YankeePendragon]

*If* they reference "The Nightmare Fair" or indicate the revelations therein are canon, The Toymaker is a lot scarier than he looks here. SPOILERS NEXT. According to "The Nightmare Fair", it appears that not only is The Toymaker a refugee from a now-destroyed alternative dimension, he's effectively immortal and indestructible because he's so completely at odds with how physics work in our dimension. Instead of getting closer to death as time goes on, he's getting further away from it. This isn't to say he's getting younger, but rather that he won't expire from any natural causes (whatever those might have been in his native timeline) the longer he's in ours. Worse, because of this, he has a control over our perceptions and responses to quantum reality that allows him to reshape things at a whim. Yet for all that, its implied there was nothing special or exceptional about The Toymaker's psyche compared to the rest of his race or ours. He's resorted to playing games within our universe as a way of keeping his sanity as he continued to live, and ultimately it didn't work. The consequence for all who have encountered him have been nightmarish. "The Nightmare Fair" ended with the Doctor trapping The Toymaker in a force bubble powered by The Toymaker's own mind, effectively leaving him imprisoned in there forever (or until the showrunners decided to bring him back). Here's hoping they at least imply this happened, as that would explain The Toymaker's apparently genocidal bent now.

[@zaax]

The Not-things and the Toymaker both originate from beyond Doctor Who's universe as does the Doctor

[@cataclysmusultimus]

Isn’t it less that the toymaker originates beyond the universe as above it?

[@anubusx]

Same with The Trickster.

[@cataclysmusultimus]

@@anubusx The trickster?

[@archer5922]

@@cataclysmusultimusmostly seen in the Sarah Jane adventures, one of the big antagonists of the series and constantly causing havoc. Referenced in turn left with the fortune teller part of the tricksters brigade

[@anubusx]

@@cataclysmusultimus He was a villian in The Sarah Jane Adventures which featured David as The Doctor. He is mentioned in Turn Left.

[@quantisedspace7047]

It's pronounced ZED Cars.

[@schoolingdiana9086]

Only in 2 countries.

[@drs-xj3pb]

@@schoolingdiana9086Including the one that produced the show.

[@quantisedspace7047]

@@schoolingdiana9086What are you talking about ? It's a British show and the correct pronunciation of that letter is evident throughout the show's dialogue.

[@petemorris8499]

Zee Cars? Zee? Really?

[@danieloneal7137]

I think a few more people need to post a comment about Zed Cars.

[@Ravenswalk]

Came here to say that Thank you and Peter went on to be in Blue Peter.

[@AndrewHalliwell]

Don't worry, I just did. The idiot needs a good slapping for that one.

[@MrMann0123]

Dude... its zed cars not Zee cars

[@David-The-YorkshireMan]

yeah, it was called Zed cars not Zee cars

[@MrMann0123]

@@David-The-YorkshireMan and starred an early Man Mountain, Boss Nass, King Vultan, Polar Bear punching Brian Blessed.

[@Trev359]

Well, I knew a lot of those. There is NOTHING racist about the Toymakers outfit. Finally, it's pronounced ZED cars. You don't sound American so why do you pronounce the letter 'Z' the American way?

[@mrshannonite4016]

You do know that show is pronounced Zed Cars, not Zee Cars? Damn, I hate having to be pedantic, but you do make life difficult.

[@julianaylor4351]

The theme tune is now ear worming me. 🎶📺😁

[@stuartgrier5605]

You are not american, so pronounce the words properly - ZED is how we pronounce the final letter of the alphabet.

[@jamesaston2031]

Zed Cars. Come on guys

[@CuriosityRocks]

Zee Cars?? It’s Zed Cars

[@andrewtempest2092]

It's Zed Cars.

[@sheevpalpatine1105]

"will the 14th doctor's regeneration triggered by the toymakers machinations" Two weeks later: he literally shoots him

[@lemonherb1]

I actually liked Michael Gough's portrayal in the Batman Knightfall audio drama more. It felt like Alfred had more to do in this than the movies

[@danieljfrancis]

"Zee" Cars?????!!!!!! C'mon Sean, it was our show not the Yanks ;) (Also Purves going on to be a well loved Children's TV Presenter could have been worth mentioning, including being a Blue Peter presenter (though I prefer to remember We Are The Champions!))

[@heathbaum]

It’s z as in zed cars not z as in zee cars, as an Irish lad you should know this, only Americans say zeeeeeeee Did you not learn your abc at an Irish school???

[@owenshebbeare2999]

"Zee-Cars"? Wow pandering to those Yanks, aren't we?

[@schoolingdiana9086]

Not just “Yanks,” who are only from the NE United States (don’t ever call someone in the Southeast US that, unless you want to go home with your head tucked under your arm), but it’s how the majority of the English speaking world says it.

[@dw7704]

@@schoolingdiana9086again, the show was produced in a country that says “Zed”, not “zee”. Zee Zee Top Zed Cars

[@owenmcgheeandbdawg]

Well done for not saying toymaster 🤣 love this video

[@jennifermorris6848]

I don’t understand why celestial is problematic for Asian culture.

[@NeilCWCampbell]

You should study history

[@timidwolf]

You mispronounced Z-Cars.

[@geronimoletsplays]

A good informative video Sean. Z Cars is pronounced Zed Cars, not American that’s how the letter certainly was then and as far as I’m concerned still is corrected pronounced in Britain.

[@schoolingdiana9086]

He’s got an Irish accent (narrating), not an American one, so best guess is he’s going for the most widely understood pronunciation, which isn’t Zed.

[@InsaneProf]

@@schoolingdiana9086 only americans pronounce Z as zee - pretty much every other english speaking country uses the zed pronounciation.

[@quantisedspace7047]

​@@schoolingdiana9086The Irish pronounce it as Zed, the same as the rest of the English speaking world, outside of the USA. A non-American pronouncing it that way just grates, like a non-American saying 'b*ck', rather than dollar,, or a non-American saying 'Bir Ming Heeum'

[@Nykona-Sharrowkyn]

What the heck is 'zee cars'? It's 'ZED cars'

[@oldbean37]

Seán, it's Z (zed) Cars. It was a British show, and you're not an American, so less of the Z (zee)

[@brabusta]

Maybe that's how they say it in Ireland!!

[@johnp8131]

@@brabusta No they don't, he's just saying it that way for the Yank viewers! As they know no better?

[@brabusta]

Good point!

[@johnp8131]

"Zee Cars" what the hell is that? You're ingratiating yourself with the Yanks again!

[@drs-xj3pb]

Well, this particular "Yank" was quite put off by it. Zed Cars it is.

[@stickytofw]

I’m Chinese. I was shocked even I heard that the word “celestial” was racist to my race. Since when? lol

[@TheToonMonkey]

"Zee cars". Oh, that just embarrassing.

[@andrewmorton7482]

"Zee Cars"? Did you say "Zee Cars"? I'm Sure that's "Zed Cars".

[@schoolingdiana9086]

Only in 2 countries. The rest of the English speaking world says “zee.”

[@dw7704]

@@schoolingdiana9086you mean like how it’s pronounced “Zed” by the country that made the show? I mean ZZ Top, being American pronounces the band name Zee Zee, not Zed Zed, so I will follow suit, but Z Cars, based on where it was made is Zed Cars, no matter what country one is in.

[@darrenlgreen]

I knew most of these things! But I have loved the Toymaker since I first saw the original episodes. Also, celestial isn’t even a racist slur. That’s a relatively new myth. That serial does however have a racist slur when a character plays eenie meenie.

[@AdmiralJT]

Literally the first time ever hearing that "Celestial" is racist... everything is racist now apparently.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Some people are only validated by the accrual of pity points. I have none to give.

[@TheMurphyn]

"Zee cars" !?! OMG, why did nobody correct this????

[@Concreteowl]

Zed Cars😭

[@julianaylor4351]

The theme tune is KZbin and some episodes are available on KZbin and DVD. ❤️

[@KLGChaos]

I think the word celestial wouldn't be seen as racist when it comes to the Toymaker if they didn't put him in an Asian-Styled outfit.

[@DBuckyBoy]

"Zee Cars"? Where in America is your Irish accent from?

[@Drethyr]

Neil good job... would have been better as the Master 😘

[@Pooter-it4yg]

Z Cars was a British show so please say "Zed Cars". Why do so many youngsters nowadays try to sound American? It's not big and it definitely isn't clever...

[@starclone4]

I`m having a great time, with more Doctor Who !!!!

[@stevenbradburncomedy]

It makes sense how Alfred was so keen to help Bruce with the Riddler's riddle clues in Batman Forever 😂

[@Thumbnailsquid5767]

I think ‘celestial’ is okay, it’s ‘oriental’ that you weren’t supposed to say

[@TheZodiacz]

oriental means eastern, as occidental means western. I'm sick of ignorant young virtue signalers trying to be word-nazis.

[@seantodd8875]

Have I missed something? Since when is "celestial" a pejorative term for Asian people? The Toymaker WAS referred to as The Mandarin, which certainly smacks of racism. But "celestial"?

[@daspsych3156]

Always just celestial, as in space, the cosmos, and beyond for me.

[@FinalSeraphLeo]

This video about the Toymaker really spiced up my life

[@paulfoster5323]

WTF is Zee Cars!!!! It's Zed Cars 🤣🤣

[@michaelbowling1362]

You said "ZEE Cars" - Pretty sure when I was a kid it was ZED Cars.... Z-cars was pretty British so it was definitely not ZEE-Cars.... Rant over.

[@Directorkey718]

Did you confuse "Celestial" with "Oriental"? If I recall, in the last era of WHO, we met two more Celestials...the brother and sister...I assumed it referred to the type of Beings they were.

[@williamkingham3303]

I just looked into it, and no, apparently Chinese immigrants were once referred to as Celestials Because the Chinese government referred to China as the Celestial empire. (In Chinese obviously) And so translating that gave the western world a “poetic” way to refer to the Chinese immigrants. Edit: and based on what I could find, the Chinese also referred to themselves as this? So I’m honestly not sure how this was ever a slur, or why it’s offensive I really can’t find anything on that part.

[@Stray7]

@@williamkingham3303 It became a slur the way "negro" became one -- hostile usage by people who weaponized it against a minority they wanted to denigrate. You'll find hostile and dismissive uses of Celestial referring to Chinese people specifically and Asian people more broadly in Westerns, particularly pulp Westerns.

[@Cee1003]

I'm 57 years old and never heard this before. I'm sure RTD will be giving his explanation on this when he does his after show party. I'm more interested if this is the story based on the comic. What a blinder to have 2/3 comeback stories from pre conceived material. All that aside, the Toy maker I'd an old favourite and good for the show to bring him forward, looking forward to Neil who is one of my favourites since How I met your Mother.

[@Stray7]

@@Cee1003 You probably don't read a lot of pulpy westerns for fun, then. I do, so I know this from personal experience with the trope (I'm also 42, so your age means very little to me and isn't proof of anything other than "different people have had different life experiences"). Since I haven't read any of the Doctor Who comics, this is all fresh material to me, and I loved Neil in Doctor Horrible's Sing-A-Long Blog, so this is all fine by me.

[@Cee1003]

@@Stray7 I hate westerns mate, my point was going this long without recognising a racist term that's all.

[@DocFunkenstein]

The only real big question about the Toymaker is why he's called the Toymaker instead of the Gamemaster.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

The Celestial Toymaker I don't think he ls a Time lord - the way he acts reminds me of The Black and White Guardians. Maybe he's a rogue Guardian that's why he connects with the Doctor.

[@InsaneProf]

Z CARS is pronounced Zed Cars - it was a british show, not an american show.

[@alexfletcher5192]

Capaldi was always going on about 'The Web Planet' but, even with a colossally expanded budget, nobody is seriously considering 'Planet of the Moth People'. Mind you, it would look insane in colour.

[@animo358]

They do look annoyingly really awesome in their MTG Doctor Who Token honestly.

[@austin2Kool]

How is celestial a racist term. I don’t think any Chinese person would be offended by it. It’s an awesome word. I think the Chinese tricked someone into believing that bs and now it’s an inside joke

[@brabusta]

Zee Cars?!!! It's Zed Cars!!!!

[@nanotyrannusisnotvalid4820]

I would be over the moon to find out there are more Time Lords that survived the Time War, even evil ones

[@donaldpingleton2382]

He's not a time Lord But yes he regenerated I'm guessing me he's connected to wherever the hell the doctor originally came from

[@leegosling]

Zeee Cars? Zeee Cars? Go shake your ears! Zed, Zed, Zed Cars… Set in England… doing de doing de doing de doing de etc.

[@gpr127]

What is wrong with you? "Zee cars"??? ZED cars!!! Speak English.

[@iancaslake8131]

'Zee" Cars? Shame on you that's "Zed" Cars you're British aren't you?! Lose a point!

[@johncolosimo1863]

So, they got rid of the trappings of Asian stereotypes to put in the trappings of German stereotypes?

[@Classix87]

After watching the specials I Was watch some episodes from Jodie’s Doctor and discovered the toymaker was mentioned by name in the episode ‘ can you hear me’ I was surprised by that.

[@merseybear]

"Zed" Cars, Never zee!

[@jaxkthereaper6569]

The toymaker is bound by the rules of the game. The first version of the toymaker played with a version of the doctor second one played with two versions of the doctor. If he was a Time Lord he would have had to regenerate himself because of the rules that he himself stated. So no he's not a Time Lord.

[@lesguiblin4463]

I’m sorry but the show was called Zed cars. Zee cars sounds weird!!

[@TomCoates]

Zed cars :)

[@milqueto4st231]

Well i learned a new slur. That... is something i had no idea about.

[@ethanletzer3507]

The word "celestial" comes from the Latin word caelestis which means "sky". It also comes from the Latin word caelum which means "sky, heaven". The word "celestial" has been used since the early 15th century to mean "heavenly, very delightful. So who made it racist???

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Didn't you know? Everything is "racist" these days.

[@raphaelmerriman4901]

"Zee Cars"...? As much I respect the team that brings us these videos, you can tell when something simply exists outside of their frame of reference.

[@darm10]

Since when is Celestial racist now?

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

As an Asian myself, I'm not offended.

[@davidthedeaf]

Because having an American put on a German accent is not offensive. Only White people would be upset at the term “celestial” and cancel all of Asia.

[@gibbygarbo9475]

It was meant to be! RTD understood his character has always been racist (more then just the celestial stuff) and there's alot in the episode eluding to that, such as the changing accents or him just straight up being racist and assuming an indian man is accustomed to the heat

[@jakesinclair69420]

Celestial isn't a racist term, I have googled it and it says "positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy"

[@R_SENAL]

Ok, I had to Google that last one I've never heard the word celestial refer to anything other than space. My wife is Filipino and she'd never heard of this either from her part of the world. That's wild. I grew up with Doctors 4-7 and watched what was available of 1-3 but never in all these years have I heard about this. Weird. And yeah, only 3 returning things from the Hartnell era. I can think of 4 from Troughton right now, 4 from Pertwee, and the only thing I can think of from Baker is Zygons... Maybe Ncuti will fix that and face the Black Guardian or the Rutan Host. Would love both of those prospects!

[@derekp308]

The Sisterhood of Karn are from the 4th Doctor era, appearing in The Brain of Morbius.

[@R_SENAL]

@@derekp308 Oh yeah, but I didn't consider them villains, but yeah, true.

[@TheZodiacz]

the term celestial is used by Jago in The Talons of Weng-Chiang. The Black Guardian reappeared with the 5th Dr and Movellans with the 12th Doctor.

[@R_SENAL]

@@TheZodiacz I know BG has his own 5th Doc Trilogy, but I was thinking more of things from old WHO brought back to new WHO. And you're right, Movellans were brought back ever so briefly, good call!

[@helzbelle13]

I just watched the third Toymaker episode today - be watching the final ep tomorrow - I’m really enjoying the old Toymaker serial. Weird they never brought him back until now. I really hope we delve into the backstory of the Doctor & the Toymaker in The Giggle!

[@HelFrostKara]

You watched a missing episode? Damn that's a feat! 🤭

[@billkoch2189]

@@HelFrostKara that's what I was thinking :)

[@helzbelle13]

@@HelFrostKara the missing episodes have been reconstructed as images, with the audio track, and sometimes subtitles where action takes place without speech. I’ve been watching those on Dailymotion where the episodes are missing from iPlayer

[@TotallyOriginality]

​@@HelFrostKarathe audio is probably available

[@Jogproof]

The Folks at Loose Cannon reconstructed the first 3 in '99 and even remade them in 2012 it's up online @@HelFrostKara

[@MattHarropActor]

Zee Cars…. 😂

[@CNormanHocker]

Will they tie the Toymaker with the Timeless Child? What if the Doctor is a member of the Toymaker's race, and the, now, Time Lords manipulated the Doctor's DNA. Just a thought.

[@Captain.AmericaV1]

Or maybe the toymaker is the Drs father 😊

[@TotallyOriginality]

​@@Captain.AmericaV1that sounds so stupid

[@ehisey]

Toymaker does not have race. Just an incarnation he or rather it is a fundamental force.

[@roblough3314]

Zee Cars 😂

[@Maria-z7h5b]

Its Zed Cars not Zee cars! Why do British people deliberately use Americanisms ? When they know full well how it is properly pronounced!

[@MJT409]

Well, we finally know where Batman gets his wonderful toys from.

[@tshelby5212]

Zed Irish boy not zee

[@gary13th]

Yeah it’s famously pronounced “Zed” Cars….

[@saintofselhurst]

I definitely did not know he portrayed Alfred! My personal favourite portrayal of Alfred!

[@Relzrin]

Since when is Celestial a racial slur?

[@simonrushton5863]

Zed cars

[@gavinbar1988]

9:30 is it a coincidence that in that part of the trailer The Doctor and The Toymaker are wearing the same outfit?

[@AlexMTG_]

We know Toymaker isn't a Time Lord - his magic card was previewed yesterday as a rogue artificer

[@SleepyHarryZzz]

In the trailer he also refers to the meeting as "The Toy maker and the Time Lord", which would be strange phrasing if he himself was one

[@timelordsalad]

Okay sure but that doesn’t disprove the point made in the video that he was originally intended to be a member of The Doctor’s race

[@AlexMTG_]

@@timelordsalad I didn't say anything about intent, you could be right. The vid also suggested RTD could say Toymaker is a TL, that's what my comment directly addresses. WOTC worked closely with BBC, if BBC were going to release a detail like Toymaker being a TL they would've ensured WOTC didn't 1) preview it early 2) label it the wrong type

[@gonzoalorange]

"Zee cars?" "ZEE cars?!" *smh*

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

The first actor to play The Toymaker was Michael Gough, who also played Alfred in the 90's Batman movies. The Riddler loves puzzles and games, Alfred helps Batman solve them, Alfred is the Toymaker confirmed, so Batman and Doctor Who share a universe. Doctor Who is now part Disney, Superman was mentioned in the Eternals, Marvel and DC exist in a shared universe with Doctor Who is canon. Tl;dr we can look forward to a Doctor Who episode where The Doctor helps rescue Robin from the evil clutches of Dr Doom.

[@gaztheman7879]

O my god it’s pronounced Zed cars 😂.