Doctor Who 14x8: "Empire of Death" | FINALE REACTION!!

[@Tyrconnell]

Dramatic cloak? It's a British thing. We all have them. You wouldn't understand.

[@7thHourFilms]

Yeah. I guess we dumped out dramatic cloaks with the tea.

[@flaggerify]

Do you point at signs dramatically instead of just leaving a note with the baby?

[@Tyrconnell]

@@flaggerify With variations. Normally we name children while wearing our dramatic cloaks during a lightning storm at midnight. Beats a gender reveal.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

I'm sorry Alex but I totally very highly disagree with you the classics do not need to be re-edited at all ever it should be left alone as it is it's total vandalism if they can't except the show for what it is and don't like it that's their problem then don't watch it it's as simple as that what's not broken don't fix. Specially after watching that terrible Daleks in colour with that god awful music with retconning in Nick Briggs voice as the Daleks which doesn't add up and butchered out alot of good scenes they should be watched for what they are and not be given a lying version.

[@MuchWhittering]

UNIT must be ridiculously overfunded with how many people Kate offers highly-paid jobs to. I don't mind Ruby's mum being a nobody. I mind all the evidence to the contrary which now makes no sense. Of course, if they go the Star Wars route, next series will make her Davros' granddaughter. If Big Finish has any sense, they will start casting Susan Twist in random stories now.

[@SeanS102]

It's an overcorrection from their completely unfunded years

[@joshuajoshua2732]

Also why is Kate recruiting children in a dangerous workforce and giving them guns? Does no one else see that as abit off or is that just me?

[@reverse7503]

i do like the sentiment of the ordinary being important however RTD building up ruby's mom to be important with her having that cloak and the pointing that aspect itself was a weak payoff.

[@MuchWhittering]

@reverse7503 The cloaked figure pointing also has old lady fingers. And why the magic snow?

[@flaggerify]

Very. Do we know what caused the snow?

[@caitfurnox]

@@MuchWhitteringshe definitely did not have old lady hands 😂 but also I love that RTD messed with the audience that way.

[@DeniseBichener]

Shakespeare walks into a bar and the manager says, "Maybe it was the sign post that was the anagram." YOUR BARD !

[@garycullen7390]

Someone sent me a message about looking like a tool over all this saying it is for KIDS. HE obviously read KZbin about DOCTOR WHO so the person making the comment is a viewer also. I AM 58 not a kid but to correct this guy who doesn't know DOCTOR WHO has always been made by the DRAMA department even when poor writing makes it look childish.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

The whole thing with Ruby's backstory was just so lazily written and a big cop-out for 7 weeks there was all this big build up because people thought she might be an adopted alien or her mother was someone from the Doctor's past possibly a Time Lord which would had been interesting but no RTD couldn't help himself and took the soap opera route and she just turns out to be an ordinary girl with an ordinary mother who abandoned her when she was 15 wow Russell has forgotten how to write science fiction. The CGI Sutekh dog was terrible there's absolutely no reason they couldn't had used a real actor as Sutekh in his original costume and mask and it still would had been just as effective and the way he was defeated again lazily written one of the most powerful gods well he's actually an alien the last of the osirens and he gets defeated by a rope that was the mostly dumb. RTD is creating fanfiction and becoming a hack.

[@Lumibear.]

Don’t ya just love the idea that RTD watched one of the most disappointing ideas of Star Wars, that went down so badly with the fans that it had to later be retconned away, and he thought, ‘Oooh I must do this too!’

[@garycullen7390]

RTD can't just say something like it's called a Memory TARDIS and is like a BLACK BOX on a plane recording events for later download to the GALLIFREY matrix before later models transmitted data more directly (that is a logical explanation) no he says REMEMBERED TARDIS and time is memory. What bollocks RTD needs putting in a mental hospital or to paraphrase him WHAT THIS RTD NEEDS IS A DOCTOR

[@Tyranniod]

This finale was such a let down. Terrible writing that made even a chibnall finale feel more comprehensible. A shame as well as episode 3-6 were a very good run of episodes.

[@maximisationisreal439]

I liked the season overall. This finale however felt like everything I disliked about RTD previous finales compiled into one episode

[@kravor5341]

it was exceedingly mid finale, so many corny moments I felt like my turds for the next week would be solid sweetcorn cobs from having consumed the episode

[@MrMetallix]

She was disguised because she didn’t want her abusive family to see her dropping off the baby I presume.

[@AmyWarriorPrincess]

A negative plus a negative cancel each other out which brings a positive. That's what that means

[@majkus]

I think what has bothered me about this Doctor's stories isn't the 'woke' (which is a useless word), it's the 'woo'. Things happen more less arbitrarily for no reason (why the long scene just to get a spoon?), or because of fortune-cookie platitudes like 'Memory is a time machine' and 'she was Significant because we gave her significance'. This sort of stuff has been going on all season, but this episode suffered the worst damage because none of the story made a lick of sense. One constantly has to 'just go with it' or provide one's own rationalizations.

[@SeanS102]

well, memory is a time machine generated with the help of the time window

[@Joey15811]

The mara stories are good

[@MuchWhittering]

@@Joey15811 It's okay, everyone's wrong sometimes. Today is your turn.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

@Joey15811 I don't agree with Alex's opinion on the Mara but he is and should be allowed to be entitled to it.

[@steve8510]

Night night.

[@bythebreach]

Mrs Flood is Meglos. Somehow...

[@SeanS102]

I imagine the cloak was to conceal herself whilst abandoning a baby

[@FarazIFM]

Can’t wait for the modern reactions with your dad :) Also I understand what you mean of that feeling of when you have finally watched all the episodes of Doctor who

[@mimiquoi7380]

(- × -) = + Death × Death = Life

[@benjaminwilson2945]

This episode could be summed up by a well known quote from Red Dwarf "Everybody's dead, Dave".

[@flaggerify]

"Shit" would do.

[@Farsight-nc1ib]

And then they weren't...again!

[@joshuajoshua2732]

To answer your question I do love "The Celestial Toymaker" one of the best stories of the Hartnell era unfortunately the animation was absolute crap and looks absolutely nothing like the original episodes and there was too much tinkering in the original audio just to sort modern sensibilities which is just plain ridiculous. I'm not the biggest fan of "Tales of the TARDIS" as much as it was nice to see the old Doctors and the old companions again I'm very highly against the re-edited versions of the Classic series it should be left alone and I wish they would stop tinkering with the old effects I like the old effects better as they are I don't even like the remastered versions of the CGI original enterprise from "Star Trek: The Original Series" I prefer the original model and I don't like the remastered version of the "Star Wars Trilogy" I think it's been tinkered with too much it's like vandalism on artwork to me I do not like it at all infact I hate it.

[@flaggerify]

A big letdown. The tiresome guessing games were for nothing, Sutekh was defeated too easily (with a rope and a spoon) and everyone was brought back to life. Ncuti Gatwa is either being jolly or crying way too much. The first time I've questioned his casting.

[@aristidetwain9117]

Einstein was one of the geniuses from across Time & Space captured by the Rani in "Time and the Rani" (though he's never identified by name, they just gave one of the extras the hair and the 'stache).

[@Sigurd-r5]

I'm of the opinion that none of the events are real in season one. It's all a fabrication. Dreamscapes, created by some villain to make the Doctor and Ruby believe it's all happening for some nefarious reason. Maybe to find out who the Timeless Child is? The Unit tower is obviously not real, or if it is it must be star trek cloaked. The only thing real is the Doctor, Ruby and Mrs Flood. Therefore the Doctor needs to confront Mrs Flood, the very probable villain of the piece.

[@benjaminwilson2945]

I'm hoping that Alex has seen the new segments from previous tales of the Tardis episodes which featured returning companions, as well as Clyde from the Sarah Jane adventures.

[@7thHourFilms]

All I've seen is a reaction to the Pyramids of Mars episode. But I would like to see more!

[@benjaminwilson2945]

@@7thHourFilms You should watch the new segments. They're all on KZbin for free. The new segments make up half an hour of new content. Maybe you could react to them in a video with your dad?

[@benjaminwilson2945]

@@7thHourFilms And you would get to see old companions like Jamie and Zoe again, and find out what happened to them.

[@josefschiltz2192]

@@7thHourFilms Definitely take advantage of seeing these whilst they are up. Some tear jerkers amongst. As Benjamin says, it would be great if your dad was included in a reaction to them.

[@kaihinataplays1992]

Honestly this is what I would have done. Replace Sutekh with angry susan, make Ruby's mom Susans daughter and they have to work together to bring her back to her senses. And Ruby is the Doctors Granddaughter. It still would have been about family, but I feel like it would have offered a reason for their closeness. Despite the doctor lite episodes and even ruby lite episodes. They don't exactly know it but they can kind of sense a connection.

[@Farsight-nc1ib]

Three points. 1. Sutekh died in his time corridor. He was never in the Vortex to grab on to the Tardis. 2. Not interested in Ruby, the show is about the Doctor, not her. It's just Davies and his one trick pony idea for a season. 3. Someone said Space Babies has 6 million views. Brilliant, how long did it take to reach that level? 8 weeks! That may well include people who've watched it several times. The fact is, the viewing figures are off the cliff edge, even from the specials last year. The public are having their say by switching off. It's not even gaining a million a week!

[@davidpo5517]

Only thing I took from this episode was the actress playing Ruby Sunday should be the next Lara Croft. The look was perfect

[@bintube5269]

The remembered Tardis sure feels like it would have been more appropriate as part of the 60th anniversary episodes.

[@Blue_Cas]

I'm headcanoning Ruby's Mum had a goth phase until the dramatic cloak is explained.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

Mrs. Flood could just simply be another Time Lord we don't know it doesn't have to be someone we already know but a new villain like the Master and the Rani and the Meddling Monk which would be a nice change.

[@andrewglasson4583]

What about the Doctor saying 1066 in the episode when that was the first Doctor and so before Sutekh being connected to the Tardis. Also what about the Tardis being separated in The Giggle. Is another version of Sutekh on the 14th Doctor's Tardis stuck in the Noble garden?

[@dmorgs07]

Nothing really bothers me any more - go with the flow and enjoy. I’m not worried about Sutekh being a bit pants this time round… the cloak and pointing are a bit pants. Hopefully there’s more to come on that. Or not!

[@joshuajoshua2732]

All of Classic Who is good it's a timeless classic what do you mean some stories are good there is no bad story 😂. It's NuWho that's going to date bad.

[@tokublwhovian]

TARDIS WIKI: “Russel T. Davies revealed in an interview he got the story idea of Ruby's mother being an ordinary human rather than something special from the character Rey's story arc in Star Wars: The Last Jedi”.

[@joshuaverran9443]

Mel screamed in "Terror of the Vervoids" Mel was always a screamer until this version.

[@benjaminwilson2945]

20:13 You are correct. RTD did indeed write Ruby's story as somewhat of a response to Rey's story in Star Wars.

[@benlawrence97]

At least you can't complain about companions not just walking away anymore since that's now 5 companions in a row that have done it!

[@kaihinataplays1992]

RTD actually did say in an interview that yes, he did get that idea from Rey

[@joshuaverran9443]

I keep hearing about this Trickster, who's the Trickster? I never heard or saw as i recall a villain in Dr. Who called the Trickster? Is that in a audio or comic? The only Trickster i know is a villain from "The Flash".

[@7thHourFilms]

The Trickster is a recurring villain in The Sarah Jane Adventures.

[@Tyrconnell]

OK. Mrs Flood is the Monk. The Doctor mentions 1066, the year he first met the Monk. The Monk meddles in time, "I had such plans". Mrs Flood dresses as Clara and Romana, so he knows the Doctors history and enjoys playing around....or cosplaying around, a hint dropped in 'Rogue' with the cosplaying bird aliens. The Monk gets his name while cosplaying a monk in 1066, so he likes to dress for the occassion. And, of course, Gerald Flood was Kamelion's voice actor, so Mrs Flood is also Kamelion.

[@Tyrconnell]

And as Death is now dead presumably next season is a re-run of Torchwood: Miracle Day

[@suzannehammer4944]

the christmas episode 2024 called joy to the world

[@happyman050]

I keep thinking Mrs Flood may be another Master of the Land of Fiction from The Mind Robber as she seems to be telling a story and all these 15th Doctor adventures could be in her land of fiction

[@flaggerify]

Or she could be an ordinary woman.

[@Eh.........]

Are you familiar with Buffy the vampire slayer? would you ever react to it? would I ever stop recommending? *in your voice* I don't know

[@7thHourFilms]

It was in the running but I went with The Sopranos instead.

[@Eh.........]

​@@7thHourFilmsi see

[@Sigurd-r5]

Thanks for the reply, Alex. I deleted the question seconds before you replied. Because I thought oh nevermind. So readers, Alex prefers modern Who to classic Who, even though he thinks classic had some good stories!

[@joshuajoshua2732]

If he thinks classic who should be re-edited it goes to show he doesn't really appreciate it.

[@Sigurd-r5]

The original comment went ; Hey, Alex which do you prefer classic Who or modern Who? My main problem with modern Who is that we've not had a Paul McGann series. Alex responded with; I prefer modern Who but I think Classic Who had some great stories.

[@flaggerify]

Tom Baker could tell a tale to K-9.

[@takebackconstantinople82]

Will you do a reaction to the animated Celestial Toymaker?

[@7thHourFilms]

Nah. We decided early on that we wouldn't re-react to an episode that got a new animation just cause it wouldn't be enough content. Maybe I'll watch it on my own someday.

[@StephanieMaireFaith]

Suetekh is still on the 14th doctor tardis after they split in two

[@7thHourFilms]

Do you think Sutekh has opinions on the stories between this and Pyramids of Mars? "No! Don't go back to Donna! She'll die!" "Is that the first one? Should I attach to his Tardis?" "Oh, good. That Master fellow is back! He's always fun!"

[@tokublwhovian]

@@7thHourFilms​​⁠I like to think so 😂 it’s just odd that the egyptian dog didn’t make his grand return during the Time War, Big Bang or any time the TARDIS was in danger, taken over or close to death.

[@brucesimmons5517]

​@@7thHourFilms "Gallifrey is destroyed again? Didn't we do this one already?"

[@MuchWhittering]

The Tales of the TARDIS are basically just Classic Who stories bookended by scenes of companions talking, meant as intros to Classic Who. The only editing is to merge them into movies instead of individual episodes. Other than Pyramids of Mars, they're mostly full length. And UK exclusive cause Classic Who is a streaming licence nightmare abroad. You're not missing much.

[@phantomsidious2934]

Non of this crap was Canon it's all egotistical fan fiction of the highest order, a showrunner drunk on power with no one to challenge or stop his ideas and this is what you end up with, convoluted, cartooney garbage, so embarrassing to watch, this whole showrunner thing has to end its just not working anymore

[@Farsight-nc1ib]

Yep, he thinks he can do what he wants

[@tokublwhovian]

@@Farsight-nc1ib​​⁠Since he’s the showrunner and Bad Wolf/Disney are involved, he can. We may not like his ideas and how he’s running the show but we’ll have to put it with it or go elsewhere till he leaves.

[@Farsight-nc1ib]

@@tokublwhovian I know what you're saying, but 'resistance is not useless'. We can get it sorted by fan pressure, the best way to do that is to switch off. Us fans need to make our voices heard.

[@tokublwhovian]

@@Farsight-nc1ib True, but I doubt the BBC and Bad Wolf will listen.

[@Farsight-nc1ib]

@@tokublwhovian well, if they don't there won't be a 3rd season. I just hope Disney don't buy it completely, it'll never be Doctor Who again if that happens.

[@Sigurd-r5]

Sutekh on the TARDIS has to be retconned. Some respect for previous writers, please. It's Doctor Who not the RTD show.

[@Farsight-nc1ib]

Correct! Sutekh died in the time corridor.

[@tokublwhovian]

Agreed @robertdodd76561 that night after I watched, I kept thinking back to all the times the TARDIS was in danger, taken over or close to death and just kept thinking: “why didn’t Sutekh take his chance when [insert big moment here] happened?”

[@Farsight-nc1ib]

@@tokublwhovian exactly! I don't know if you've read any of the novels, but in the BBC books series, after Gallifrey was destroyed, the Doctor was carrying about the TARDIS in his frock coat as it regenerated itself. Can you picture a tiny Sutekh waving his arms around and swearing at the Doc from his pocket 😂 The whole retcon was ridiculous!

[@tokublwhovian]

@@Farsight-nc1ib I can imagine a tiny invisible Sutekh swearing at Clara in Flatline 😂

[@Farsight-nc1ib]

@@tokublwhovian 🤣🤣🤣that would be funny! As if the Doc wasn't grumpy enough!

[@benjaminwilson2945]

17:49 Maybe I'm reading too much into the line, but I think Ruby should have used the term "biological mum" rather than "real mum". It just seems somewhat dismissive of Carla.

[@Iván-h5m6m]

I don't like the ratings for the new season. Do you think the series needs a temporary break?

[@thepandorica1660]

If that's the case then every show should go on break

[@flaggerify]

Needs a reboot. Back to basics. The Doctor a mysterious Edwardian-styled, conceited man in a box.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

It don't think it needs a break what it needs is a brand new production team and composer and take the show to a new direction that's never been done before like getting the Doctor off world more.