Doctor Who 14x8 FINALE REACTION! - "Empire of Death"

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[@bennettnez4711]

Sylvester McCoy annoyed people with spoons, Capaldi beat them in sword fights with one and Whittaker made her freaking sonic by hand out of spoons. In a cave. With a box of scraps.

[@Dubble77D]

The Time Lords told 12 to disarm, and he dropped his spoon that he was using to slurp some soup.

[@juliandarch9278]

Don't forget he had a bungee cord as well, proper 007 gadgets

[@DylanSterling]

😢 “OK but go get your coffee, the barista is just holding it there.” 😂

[@CreepyNoodles69]

Interestingly, Mrs. Flood is wearing the exact outfit Clara had in "Face the Raven" when she called the Doctor a clever boy.

[@LuxieDamned]

And the same exact outfit that Romana wore back in the old doctor who

[@CreepyNoodles69]

@@LuxieDamned Yup. Definitely can't be coincidental (unless it is).

[@user-kd4cw8uj9l]

I feel like she's either Clara or Missy. I'm not sure though.

[@NoahAG]

@@user-kd4cw8uj9lmissy is The Master and last time The Doctor saw The Master was The Power Of The Doctor

[@NickBelis]

Sutekh is just disintegrated in the timevortex by the end, out of the protective Tardis sphere. And I was so happy the big bad wasn't the Daleks, Cybermen, wheeping angels or masters for once. That Ruby's mum was an ordinary person is fine. Still cried me a river. The song of Mrs Flood isn't finished and that is great! Hope that she returns in the Christmas special, she is already rocking the look. Is this an evil Mary Poppins? Oh BBC I see what you do to Disney here. Hope there is a tie-in to the Ruby let it snows, but am affraid that will not be the case.

[@thanek1]

“In 900 years of time and space I’ve never met anyone who wasn’t important before” - 11th Doctor

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thank you, Derek! ⏳ I loved that more than you did, I suppose... such a sweet resolution for the 'Ruby' character. And I'm ready for the winter special.

[@bennettnez4711]

The reveal about Rubys mom would have been totally fine if RTD hadnt been intentionally misleading us through the whole season. Like she was obviously a weird thing or something but then he insults us by being like "nope that was all in your head she was wearing the clothes every 15 year old in 2004 was, and she dramatically pointed at a sign for nobody to see because thats just how humans name each other"

[@SleepyWaffles]

I feel the same. The writing felt intentional to make us think it was someone significant. Whereas in the sequel trilogy of Star Wars, i was completely fine with Rey's parents being nobody significant, because the writing of the film didn't intentionally make us think it was.

[@billizetti]

Russel T Davies said that Ruby’s story is not over and there is more to be revealed about her. Once we see that, maybe you’ll like the ending better.

[@dannyinchley2984]

That new Tardis is what the UK knows as The Memory Tardis from Tales Of The Tardis on BBC iPlayer.

[@f.o.r.jr.3311]

Maybe it undoes what The Flux damaged, destroyed, and killed

[@jpohl75]

My theorie about Rubys story is that they needed a quick result/ending. The actress is not beeing around for much in the next season. If she was a regular for season two I think that they would have given us another resolution to that. Because of the falling snow around her in special situations and the hints from the music god (forgot the name) that there is something mysterious about her.... I believe the writers had a other story planned but they could not go through with it because of the actress leaving the show. So they came up with this idea making Rubys mum a regular person..... Thank you for your reactions, I enjoy them very much!😊

[@Raven_Luna_Tick]

Ruby's mum being ordinary was a interesting choice. It doesn't explain the snowing or the Hidden Music deep in her soul. Maybe it has something to do with her father? His name is William Benjamin Garnet. A Garnet, like a precious stone, like a Ruby?

[@kassidyj97]

Have enjoyed watching this season with you. It was very different but I loved it ❤

[@TreyMcDonaldAnimator]

Fair to say that amongst the gods, the Doctor is unofficially the God of Life. And spoons. (God, what is with the spoons on this show?)

[@davek7256]

The reveal of who Ruby’s mum was a massive let down but the scene where she confronts her in the coffee shop was the best scene of the whole series Millie knocked that out of the park. 👌🏻

[@sonicsean34]

This ending coulda worked better if they had played fair and just been mysterious and not tried to misdirect us with literal gods declaring Ruby as wrong and magic snow happening every other episode. It woulda been great as this grounded personal arc. I take massive offence to RTD acting like it’s our fault for imagining greater importance than there was when I didn’t feel this in the Xmas special but only after he started in with the supernatural weirdness about the mum and Ruby after space babies. Also as has been pointed out on Twitter the damn lamp post wasn’t even in the Xmas special let alone a road sign, and that was the actual past not a constructed memory simulation, there was literally no way we could have pieced together the real truth. Also, I have never seen a road sign attached to a lamp post in this country and seeing it in the episode was the most alien non-British thing I’ve witnessed as a Brit in a supposedly British-made show. The Sutekh stuff was okay. I don’t think they built up to it well, it kinda bumbled its way to get to the conclusion in a way that the doctor couldn’t have actually planned out.

[@keith.morgan]

What I want to know is how did sutekh survive the Tardis exploding in all of time and space in 11ths era?. Was it all Amy's fault by remembering the Tardis and bringing him back at her wedding? 😂

[@raydenel]

ok, i rewatched and watched some more reactions, i can say now im fine with the ruby mom`s reveal(they probably had an alternative script for that if she was here for next season too), but i still cant accept how easy they tricked sutekh, i mean he killed the entire universe, u know, like reality bomb never stopped by donna, but he get tricked with a rope...really ?

[@SleepyWaffles]

He didn't get tricked by rope lol. They mentioned in the episode that the rope had a molecular bond. That coupled with the gloves that don't need leverage makes it pretty easy to attach him to the tardis

[@767wattsy]

RTD is very much a first draft writer and this season finale is a classic example of the flaws in his writing: emotions matter more than solid plotting and plot holes are just waved away.

[@ryanhelton1865]

I have the feeling they’ve had a lot of problems with this season and in making and writing it. The way the last two episodes have been done make me think, that perhaps RTD wrote this season to be a 10 episode season, and then he had to cut two episodes out of it. Which would explain why quite a few things don’t add up. And I also think it’s very likely he never intended for a normal person to be Ruby’s mum again the writing just doesn’t suggest that, and you can see it clearly in the ending he tried his best to compensate for his past writing. I have a feeling for what ever reason the intended mother of ruby couldn’t be used maybe over some sort of rights or something, but the writing just doesn’t make sense. However I do think the scene of ruby with her mum was so raw and pure it was amazing to see and I hope we get more of that type of stuff. . Think this episode had the potential to be great but again for what ever reason it looks like they was unable to go with their original plan and made best do with what they could.

[@charg1nmalaz0r51]

He intended writing it this way, he says so in unleashed. Why are you trying to excuse his terrible writing lol

[@ryanhelton1865]

⁠@@charg1nmalaz0r51I’m not, I’m fully aware of the terrible writing. Infact the best episode of this season wasn’t even written by him. What he has said on unleashed is commonly known as the Larry line. A show will never truly come out and say problems it’s had. But it’s obvious they’ve had a lot of problems including what looks like the complete removal of two episodes or vital scenes to the story cut out. Certainly not excusing his writing. I think what he has tried to do is good and the narrative he was pushing has been the best we’ve had for a very long time, but like you said sadly awful writing hasn’t done it justice which has left so many of us disappointed.

[@j.adickey2002]

There is an old STAR TREK episode where they all timewarp back in time to the 1960s... get mistaken for a time plane linear UFO rather than a star vessel from the future, and they disrupt the time flow of our universe. Keep in mind the stepped on butterfly paradox, or even the grandfather paradox... they know they must try to put back to rights the timeline before departing back to their century. There is a jet pilot that had to be returned to his timeline despite what the ENTERPRISE's arrival did to the jet. . Even though the pilot was quite ordinary, when Spock delved further into the archives he realized the guy was important due to WHO his son was, and what the son eventually did with his life. Spock realized it was imperative that they not change ANYTHING!!! If the jet pilot was killed or simply taken/abducted to the future, he would never raise the family he did. His son would never exist. TREK + WHO have time paradoxes. I can forgive Ruby's mom and dad for being quite ordinary. I think the two-parter is brilliant! RDT is in top form!!!

[@donnymiddlebrook]

Did you call the robot a robit?

[@SleepyWaffles]

yeah it's just a dumb fun way to say it lol

[@thatrandomaussiechick4107]

i think mrs flood could be the white guardian

[@craigshipway6926]

Then why was she creepy

[@BushwalkerSP]

Only people who died because of Sutekh were coming back, nobody else.

[@puddingface1902]

Oof this was got s8 all over again. It would have been ok for the mom to be normal if the narrative wasn't constantly pointing and saying how special and wrong Ruby is. They said we made it special but that’s gaslighting the audience, the story and narrative and dialogue and the snow and the music made it special. The maestro calling her wrong made it special. Also the toymaker and maestro didn't see Sutek, Rose Tyler as bad wolf couldn't see him but unit's scanners can. Lol. Now if we watch old episodes we'll just be yhinking about sutek sitting on the tardis and wondering what he thinks about everything going on lol. This is the moon being an egg all over again lol. In rogue Doctor says rogue ship is programmed to orbit the moon. I'm just thinking how that moon is an egg lol. Cause that's all you can think when looking at the moon in doctor who. This finale completely ruined the rewatchability of the season.

[@tdm281995]

No ever said ruby mother was someone super important like the doctor said she was only important because we thought she was I love that

[@SleepyWaffles]

Uhh yes it did. The story was constantly mentioning throughout the season that there was something special about ruby and her birth. You can't spend all season building up the mystery of her mother and her birth and then tell us she's actually just normal

[@lorrainesheridan496]

It's called gas lighting the viewers and not clever just rude

[@HuntingViolets]

Well, I mean, just the ones he dusted, because in that moment, that's what people were dying from -- and if they were seconds away from death, I guess they'd die afterwards. Didn't like "real mum." Didn't like the pointing, the sign, Carla not naming Ruby.

[@majkus]

Some really well-executed scenes, but man this story was a complete mess. Things just… happened with little or no reason. What was the plot purpose of the long and atmospheric scene in which the Doctor obtains a spoon? Ruby is just an ordinary person given Significance® by everyone else. And that explains why she can make it snow and play Carol of the Bells. Because of Reasons. And because, memory is time travel. Fortune-cookie aphorisms do not make for good explanations of things.

[@user-zh8zn6ef5r]

I don't like the ratings for the new season. Do you think the series needs a temporary break?

[@joesmith8600]

I'm so disappointed. This was good season but the finale probably one of the worst in New Who. Such fantastic first part and then...

[@donnymiddlebrook]

It wasn't that bad.

[@SleepyWaffles]

The episode was great for the most part in my opinion, just didn't love the mom reveal

[@joesmith8600]

@@SleepyWaffles compared to other episodes of the season this one was average. and second part of the episode was boring. the Doctor's "most powerful enemy" was too easily defeated. "Space Babies" isn't great too but at least it was fun episode...

[@charg1nmalaz0r51]

@@donnymiddlebrook It was pretty bad, it only works if you completely shut your brain off. Now if thats how you can watch tv then sure you do you. But for me there has to be rules and a flow in storytelling and RTD has broken all those rules in this entire season. Like for example a few things you have to ignore (and there are far more). The doctor escaping sutekh at the beginning, he runs from the death cloud towards unit tower which aslo has a death cloud, but suddenly appears in the time window room unscathed. Unit all being vapourised has no emotional value as from that point on you are just waiting for the episode reset. Her getting the dna analysis from the future which shouldnt exist at all because sutekh has killed the entire world in 2024 so the dna drive never happened. Killing death to bring life, complete contrivance and doesnt make sense when you see everyone coming back to life before he actually kills sutekh. I could go on and on and nitpick this entire episode to death. It was just a convolutely mess of a story. The pacing is awful as well.

[@donnymiddlebrook]

@@charg1nmalaz0r51 tl;dr

[@joshuajoshua2732]

I didnt like this episode at all i thought the way Sutekh was defeated was lame i mean the most powerful god in existence and he gets defeated by a rope oh come on. I thought the Doctor was far too over emotional there writing him into a whiny wimp hes meant to be a billion year alien for crying outloud. And i really hated the ending not only it was a cop-out but it was lazy it felt like i was watching a soap opera not science fiction it dragged too long and it was cringey this is the worst season finale since "Hell Bent" in my opinion it didnt make me cry at all i was just bored with it all i want is the Doctor and his companion to go on adventures in time and space fighting monsters is that too much to ask RTD.

[@donny1960]

You seem silly. We are just "regular Ass people". They had to wrap up Ruby's story. They did it to the point that it made you and most reactors cry. And you call all that "Stupid"???? Same word I was thinking at the time. But directed at different subject. Be grateful for good writing.

[@SleepyWaffles]

I feel like I was pretty clear in the video. Their reunion made me cry. That part was done well. The reveal of who her mom is on the other hand was not. That part is not good writing. The entire part where the reveal happens and her naming is actually bad writing. I'm grateful for good writing when good writing is what happens.

[@donny1960]

@@SleepyWaffles There is something you never include in your reactions..... The sense of being objective. I have found over the last couple of months that anytime you think something is not written well. It actually is. See how this works. I am sorry but you are not my "go to" when it comes to being an expert at good storytelling. You have great opinions. But the fact that you treat them as irrefutable pronouncements is laughable....... ha ha

[@SleepyWaffles]

I'm sorry but that is objectively not good writing. You are incorrect in thinking it is. Also your comment makes it seem like you don't really watch many of my videos. Because I rarely, if EVER say something is bad writing. I'm actually routinely told in my comments that I'm too positive on things other people think are bad. I'm pretty easy to please honestly. So when I say something is poor in either execution or writing, it's because it is.

[@donny1960]

@@SleepyWaffles Sorry. Seems like neither of us live up to expectations. But My thoughts are my own. And I do not understand you at all either. My underlying impression is that you are just full of yourself. Is so common these days.

[@SleepyWaffles]

@donny1960 if you don't like me or my opinions, then why are you here? Go watch someone you'll actually enjoy