DOCTOR WHO Disney+ Season 14 Episode 8 Reaction 14x8 | Empire of Death

[@Syntell]

Did you see Rekkai's Deep Dive yet? - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJS5XqOOd7GphK8

[@nupefromdaville]

thanks bro! We still need to tell everyone about the Discord too!

[@IsiahBradley]

Yo! I got a backlog! I'm on it!!! And @nupefromdaville, I'm gonna forgive you for your Andrew Garfield (non)-comments :)

[@GhostPurple69]

in context kate's comment, "oh, one day..." after trying to shoot sutekh, is an oblique cut-short reference to one of her father's most famous lines, "just once i'd like to meet an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets."

[@MJE-riffs]

The Doctor on the screen is the Fourth Doctor, Tom Baker, alongside companion Sarah Jane, in Pyramids of Mars.

[@IsiahBradley]

:)

[@djhyjak]

The Fourth and greatest Doctor

[@GhostPurple69]

​@@djhyjak well, the most popular one anyway

[@SoTOreo]

@@djhyjak 4 was good. im not gonna lie though i like a good grumpy/rude doctor lol might be why i like 6 and 12. i think 12 is my favorite though storywise its a toss up between 10 and 11.

[@MJE-riffs]

Among the items Mel finds in the TARDIS are the Sixth Doctor's multi-coloured coat, and the Seventh Doctor's pullover. There's a bunch of other nostalgia-based stuff, including the WHO 1 licence plate of the Third Doctor's vintage car, Bessie, and K-9's head.

[@IsiahBradley]

:)

[@JackBarrugon]

The big overhead light that looks a little like at sun lamp at 8:20 is from the very first episode. They scaled down the Tardis set a little after.

[@OfficialSnyd]

Is that the Torchwood sign in there too or am I tripping?

[@MJE-riffs]

Gabriel Woolf, the voice of Sutekh both here and in the 1975 story Pyramids of Mars, is 91.

[@SpiderRiderKya]

He also provided the voice of The Beast in The Satan Pit/Impossible Planet!

[@HuntingViolets]

Also "Satan" in "Impossible Planet"/"The Satan Pit."

[@jakeoliver9167]

Sutekh isn't literally the god of death. Death won't stop without him. Killing him just reversed his power. Death is just his identifier as a god. It's his special interest 😂 same as the rest.

[@qqqqqqqqqqqq121212]

To be honest that’s how I think all the “gods” - they aren’t gods; they are just super powerful, unexplained beings with, as you say, special interests

[@SeeJay81]

RTD has said the reason for 8 episodes (plus Christmas episode) is that Doctor Who isn't filmed in a sound studio like many shows. they travel to different locations and has a really taxing and laborious filming schedule. For that reason, it limits the actors who play Doctor and Companion(s) from taking on other roles in between seasons. It's why series 4 ends with 5 special, David Tenant took a role on stage and couldn't commit. It happens several times throughout the show, we'd sometimes get a year or two between episodes. RTD has promised that by giving us 9 per year, we will get it every year with no gaps. He also promised us some spin-offs to keep us entertained in between each series.

[@wendypow1963]

For this season, introducing a new Doctor and a new companion, it needed more than 9 episodes...especially when a couple were Doctore-light. Also, personally, I'm a fan of the 2-parters and arcing episodes.

[@SeeJay81]

​@@wendypow1963 I don't disagree with you. I understand why they want to go to smaller number of episodes but doesn't mean I like it lol. I'm holding out for the spin offs though. I feel like they had time to film something that could plug the gap between now and Christmas.

[@wendypow1963]

​@@SeeJay81RTD made it sound like something was in the works. Fingers 🤞

[@JackBarrugon]

Cherry Sunday getting her cup of tea at long last was the highlight of this episode.

[@christianschoff2490]

Which says a lot about the episode. >_>

[@catlover0160]

Millie said on ‘Doctor Who unleashed’ that she did not say ‘I love you’ to Ncuti in rehearsals, she only said it when it was being filmed so she could feel the raw emotion of the scene , bless her 😍🇬🇧

[@pjlightning1995]

It's not one of the old Tardises. It's a mishmash of memories of bits of old Tardises.

[@IsiahBradley]

Yep! The Memory TARDIS!

[@adamoswaldplayz9416]

8:58 It’s an amalgamation of every Tardis ever

[@IsiahBradley]

:)

[@SoTOreo]

even some of the best tardis ever imo... the only good thing to come from the american movie lol. that tardis looked like a home. like you could actually live there. while living spaces are more hinted at in other episodes we dont often see much for other rooms. i also liked the secondary control room for the 4th doctor. love a nick dark brown wood stain look

[@SpiderRiderKya]

I assume the pointing at the sign post, she was hoping it would be picked up on the security cameras? But didn't take into account the snow making it impossible to see what she was doing. Same with the hiding her face. She *15* and it was clear her home life was Not Good, so she wouldn't want to be identified (by the cameras or anyone else) and the baby potentially brought back to her/that house.

[@MJE-riffs]

Whole bunch of namechecked planets from classic Who - Telos (Tomb of the Cybermen/Attack of the Cybermen), Karn (The Brain of Morbius), Vortis (The Web Planet), Tigella (Meglos), Spiridon (Planet of the Daleks), Calufrax (The Pirate Planet)

[@IsiahBradley]

:)

[@JackBarrugon]

And the Ood Sphere from the new series, which is next to the Sense Sphere from the First Doctor story The Sensorites.

[@SoTOreo]

the web planet lol.... aka when the writers and directors all get together and take LSD to produce an story for TV. also when the camera men somehow get vasaline all over one of the lenses

[@IsiahBradley]

EIGHT. For boldness. This is not the greatest season of #DoctorWho (I think you might understand if I say that Season Four would use this season to wipe its butt :) ) but I thoroughly enjoyed the bold choices with story and tone. I have to admit, though, I haven't been so excited about #DoctorWho *since* Season 4. So take that as you will. THANKS for your hard work this season!!!! @Syntell and @nupefromdaville, do you two realize when you finish Season 4, you'll have watched and reacted to *five* seasons of "Doctor Who?" And do you realize when you finish, it'll only be about *one-third of Nu Who and Nu Nu (Disney) Who?* WOW!!!!

[@nekobat1962]

Tom Baker is the 4th Doctor.

[@MJE-riffs]

The only whistle I can remember the Doctor using before is the dog whistle he used to summon K-9.

[@Hp411hp]

I really thought he was going to use it to call K-9.

[@Velociraptour]

Maybe he learned that from Maestro controlling the tardis with sound. The whistle was basically an analogue sonic screwdriver.

[@catlover0160]

Yes, I was wracking my brain about the whistle and I can’t think of another episode, I did like how the Doctor literally took the dog for a walk…… ok, it was a long walk through time and space but still !!! 🇬🇧

[@stacyp2186]

If you are interested, Tubi has the Pyramid on Mars for free to watch. Then you can see the fourth Doctor in action.

[@fayesouthall6604]

There’s a 75 min edit that came out a couple of days before the final. It’s great.

[@Triskaan]

Loved the season but that is far from my favorite finale ever. Too much little inconsistencies and narrative holes. Even though there are some really amazing moments, mostly in the first half but still spread all around (the mother/daughter reunion got me in tears). But really curious to see your take on it. :)

[@IsiahBradley]

I *loved* this episode despite itself. Like the Doctor's math, the negatives for me have to equal a great positive. You're right: there are many unanswered questions and those that were answered were not done well. So, for example, who was Ruby's mother pointing to the sign for: the CCTV cameras (my guess)? And what about the snow? And what about what the Maestro said about Ruby? And what about....? RTD 1.0 was much tighter, in my opinion.

[@christianschoff2490]

You said exactly what I felt.

[@MJE-riffs]

According to the commentary, once the Doctor ran back into the TARDIS when he'd trapped Sutekh, he dropped the whistle down a chute that led to the memory TARDIS where it lands in the hand of his earlier self. That got cut, though, so the whistle just vanishes from round his neck.

[@frolicchris]

You guys, I swear, I'm so glad you've brought your unique takes to the Doctor Who Universe. It's been a joy ride getting to see Doctor Who through your eyes.

[@OfficialSnyd]

I liked the finale, I wasnt underwhelmed or overwhelmed but if whelmed is a word Id use that.

[@MJE-riffs]

The Seventh Doctor and Mel met Einstein in the classic story Time and the Rani.

[@simongiles9749]

"It's all relative, you know"

[@zoe_blackmore]

On the oversized tablet/screen is Tom Baker the 4th Doctor, from the 1975 episode Pyramids of Mars. 49 years later the voice of Sutekh is the same actor Gabriel Woolf.

[@MJE-riffs]

You're dead right about the original TARDIS being in black and white. The show didn't go into colour until 1970 (which is also the point from which all episodes exist - a lot of stuff featuring the first and second Doctors doesn't exist anymore).

[@wendypow1963]

The frugal BBC aired the shows and then recorded over them or tossed them out. Thankfully, some crew members nicked some reels out of the bin and returned them to the BBC decades later.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

The other version of the TARDIS was from "The Tales of the TARDIS" which was callback from all different eras called the memory TARDIS. You guys should had checked out "Pyramids of Mars" before going into this episode to get an idea and the context of Sutekh. The other Doctor with the curly hair and scarf that was shown in the old footage on the tablet was The Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker) one of the longest serving Doctors and the most popular Doctors ti date and his then companion Sarah Jane Smith (Elisabeth Sladen) which was footage from the episode "Pyramids of Mars". The colourful coat Mel hugs belonged to the Sixth Doctor (Colin Baker) and the question mark jumper Mel uses as a blanket belonged to the Seventh Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) as she travelled with both those Doctors. You see the issue i have with this disney era of Dr. Who is it seems to be about the special effects with RTD it's not about the big budget or the special effects it's about the storytelling and characters bring back the good old days of bubble wrap and tinfoil hats and robots in my opinion. This episode was mostly good but the ending with Ruby and her mother was a huge letdown and the most cop-out of a finale and I'm not the biggest fan of the CGI sutekh I think a normal actor with the original costume would had worked just as well and the most effective but the defeat of the most powerful gods with the rope was lazily written i thought.

[@Sheeponaut]

I just wanted to thank you so much for the 15th Doctor reactions and also your NewWho reactions. It's an absolute joy to watch Doctor Who through new eyes. It's what being a Whovian is truly all about - humanity moves on, the earth dies one day, time marches forward, Doctor Who outlives us all. I have come to terms with there being episodes that I will not live to see. I hope there are episodes a hundred years from now, a thousand, like Shakespeare or Homer or it will be a cultural artefact of our age. Thank you.

[@itsalexney]

The vacuum industry slaying after that finale.

[@DakNJaxter]

And his death leaves a power vacum...

[@bennettnez4711]

Say what you will about the episode, but I teared up a bit when Mel touched the sixth Doctors coat. He is my favorite Doctor

[@SoTOreo]

whats crazy now is if we go back and look at the series in retrospect knowing the big secret of ruby... imagine 73 years. that woman at 73 yards seemingly being old ruby herself... everyone that woman talks to runs away in fear. we assumed she was revealing something about ruby... now imagine every time she whispers to the "shes ORDINARY!" then everyone runs away in fear lol. seems comical now. but lets also keep in mind whatever old ruby said even to unit, even to rubys adoptive mother.... they all shun her after that. wth..... and because shes so extremely ordinary that she somehow became special?

[@SpiderRiderKya]

Clips shown on the tablet/tv screen were from the The Pyramids of Mars, the episode where Sutekh first appeared, with the 4th Doctor, played by Tom Baker, and his companion, Sarah Jane Smith. Interestingly, Gabriel Woolf who provides the voice of Sutekh, ALSO voiced him back in The Pyramids of Mars AND he was the voice of The Beast in The Satan Pit/Impossible Planet. They said that Ruby's mom never looked for her but like, how could she? It wasn't like she had any idea who would have found her, or where she would have ended up. For all she knew, someone found and adopted her and they moved across the world. It wasn't like she gave her up for adoption and wen through all that paperwork, she, a scared teen, left her by a church. She didn't even have a name to go on. Sure SHE called her Ruby, but there was no guarantee that the ones who found her/adopted her would name her that. If Ruby had to time travel to the FUTURE to find her mom, who hope did her *mom* have of finding her the normal way????? Honestly I don't blame her for not looking/finding her (and for all we know maybe she did but turned up nothing).

[@lalida6432]

You guys haven’t even seen seasons 5-13 yet. The production quality gradually increases over the years.

[@WaveK89]

I didn't even notice his nails. They kind of look like tally marks. If that marking is intentional for the Doctor and not Nctui, then I can think of one possible thing that it could mean. I won't say what because you haven't watched that far yet. Nice call out.

[@sineaterdred1]

I actually dislike giving scores but I do admit that this season lacked a bit of something. 10 episodes would have been better, plus 1 Christmas special. I'll give it an 8 because that's all they gave us. 🖖😎👍

[@binrotheheretic8174]

Nice to see Tom & Sarah-Jane (who' is wearing 2nd doctor companion Victoria's dress) in the Tales of the Tardis "special edition" version of Pyramids of Mars on the time window tablet screen. Also nice touchto see that colourised Susan Foreman(doctors grand-daughter) but there was a lot of speculation that they'd bring Susan back (especially as Carole Ann Ford who plays her is 84 especially as 3 weeks ago we lost one of the other original companions William Russell at 99 - you guy's didn't get the tribute title card at the end that we did). Rekkai is largely on the money about story over effects - this series got the effects but at the expense of the story in some episodes including this finale - which seems to have gone down badly with alot of people from what i've seen.

[@wendypow1963]

FYI, I think Molly Gibson was 19 or 20 years old when filming this season. She quickly grew on me. I've enjoyed Ncuti since day one. Some highs and some middling episodes this season where it felt that too much was being compressed into fewer episodes. As such, and since we're not allowed to give it a 7 rating, I'll give it an 8 - 0.5 (aka a 7.5). I think the tale isn't complete yet. Regarding why the Doctor doesn't know who his granddaughter's mother is, it's all timey-wimey and you note in prior seasons how the Doctor meets pivotal people out of sync. So, this Doctor can remember Susan without remembering Susan's mother/his wife.

[@jamesa.fitzpatrick1566]

It's not the First Doctor, it's the Best Doctor. ;)

[@IsiahBradley]

Baker was my first Doctor on American TV and in American comics (anybody out there have that 40+ old issue of "Marvel Premiere," which reprinted the DW Weekly story "The Star Beast" (yep, that one!) with Tom Baker?)!!!!

[@arnothill]

Great viewing as I have come to expect. Interesting news about the interactive things you have planned. Yes please!

[@samc8534]

If I can't pick 7... this season was closer to a 6 for me. A lot of the individual episodes were good to great, Ncuti and Millie gave great performances, but there was a lot of really experimental stuff, too many Doctor-lite episodes, the tone of the season was all over the place, and the finale really wasn't satisfying for me. So while I enjoyed most of the episodes, when they're all put together like they are, the whole becomes less than the sum of its parts. It might have helped if the series had been a few episodes longer -- it needed more time to breathe, I think.

[@darkphoenix6807]

After watching it again, I’m starting to Think that the hooded figure was not Ruby’s mother, and is part of the pantheon. When Ruby held up the screen for Sutekh To see, his reply was “I’ve waited so long”. That seems like a meaningful reply from him. Being that he is immortal, and that he cares nothing for life, but sees it as an abomination, I don’t think the cloaked figure was human. I mean, unless I’m wrong, we never actually see that cloaked figure put Ruby on the steps of the church, do we? Also, the Maestro said that the song could only be that powerful in Ruby if “the oldest one” was there. But then later, they said that “he who waits” is coming. It sounds like those are two different beings. I feel like if Millie is going to be in season two, they’re going to continue to explain why it snows when ever she talks about her birth and who that cloaked figure actually is.

[@darkphoenix6807]

I have a question. No, I have *all* the questions…but I didn’t want to put them as my original post. 😂 * If the death of death is life, then wouldn’t every single person or being who had ever died through all of history be resurrected at the end? * Why when they’re in the time window, does Ruby’s mom glitch if she’s nothing special? * Why did the doctor send Ruby into the time window when he realized something was wrong, but didn’t yet know it was Sutekh? * If Sutekh can see through all dead cells, then shouldn’t he have known that Ruby‘s mom was a normal human? * If Ruby‘s mother is normal, then why does it snow every time they remember Ruby’s birth? * They still do not explain how the tardis showed up again a few seconds later in the time window with Surekh wrapped around it. Was that just in the time window? Did he actually take the tardis back there to 2004? And if he was in the past, then why is he in color in the time window? * If he is the god of death, then how in the world did he make life? How did he make a Susan on every planet that he landed? He only creates death and harbingers. * It doesn’t make any sense for Sutekh being dragged behind the tardis to be what brings people back to life. If the death of death is life, then the *death* of Sutekh would’ve been what brought life back to the universe, not him being dragged behind the tardis like a downed skier behind a boat. * If Ruby‘s mother was normal, then how did the memory keep changing? * How was Sutekh able to touch the sides of the time vortex while he was being dragged, but then as soon as the rope is cut he burns up? * The lady on that barren planet said that memories are dying. Why would the memories be dying? Everybody else dying wouldn’t affect time. I’ve been a DW fan for over a decade, but I have to admit that was one of the weakest season finales I’ve seen. I’m really hoping there is more to the story and we’ll get some good info in the next season. Ncuti and Millie did an amazing job, as always. I also loved the CGI when Sutekh turns the Tardis like a toy. I really thought that was a practical effect!

[@D-Cameron]

A number that's more of an eight than a six seems, logically, likely to be a number that starts with seven and, in my unashamed cowardice, I would award this season a 7.5.

[@HuntingViolets]

Next season, it will be the 15th season and the 15th Doctor. And the 13th Doctor had the 13th season. Well, the 1st Doctor had the 1st season, but that was inevitable. This is what seasons are now, I guess. Everything seems to be 6-8 episodes. Two negatives make a positive, right? ;) "I named her" would be past tense even if her daughter were alive. She named her when she was born, presumably. The pointing doesn't make any sense and I didn't like "real mum," but overall, a good episode. I think death will continue whether there is Sutekh or not, but we'll see. I thought Ruby's birth mom looked a bit like Jenny, so that threw me for a second. Somebody said they should have had it look like a cloak all out of focus but then when you get in focus, it's a teenage girl in a hoodie or sweats or whatever. I don't so much mind her and Ruby being ordinary people, but there should have been some explanations for the show, etc.

[@samwell54]

season 41 really

[@HuntingViolets]

@@samwell54 41/15/2

[@DennisSchmitz]

Speaking of Spiderman, Peter vs. Miles, I enjoy the Spiderverse films much more thanks to much better writing and direction than any of the other movies. It's almost flawless.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

Sutekh the Destroyer isn't actually really a god necessarily he's an alien called the osiren and was the last of his race.

[@msoda8516]

The finger tattoo on the doctor keeps changing the number of lines. It makes me think he is trying to keep track of something. It reminds me of when the doctor encountered the silence. I am wondering if he is trying to remember timelines.

[@stark_harshly]

I found the Ruby reveal to be reaffirming personally. It was the right choice in The Last Jedi, and the right choice here. I am curious to know how real orphans/ foundlings would find a reveal of Ruby being space Moses, would they find it insulting? Sutekh is so OP you can't really do much with him. I love the visuals of him draped over the TARDIS.

[@simongiles9749]

Yeah, wish they'd kept that for Rise of Skywalker.

[@thelazygamer1639]

Sutekh wasn't actually the embodiment of Death, just a very powerful entity that fancies himself the embodiment of Death.

[@Evilgreg2]

In the comics Aunt May’s boo was Doc Ock.

[@ignacioblasco7971]

BBC says that this series was the most seen program by under 35 yr viewers of the year. Ignore the trolls, they just raging

[@nekobat1962]

Maybe there's more coming. Ruby's resolution was too perfect. Maybe we still have more coming. There's still her father and The Doctor's com 44:45 ing tragedy. I hope, anyway. And The Doctor's reference to two shades of red with Ruby and Rose. Then you 44:59 have Cherry and Mr. Garnet, Ruby's dad. The red has to be some kind of clue. Or a red herring.

[@purrceys7959]

I thought this concluding episode was a letdown after the previous episode. So often Russell T. Davies' finales aren't his strong point; they have a great setup but don't live up to expectations. However I enjoyed this season and I think Ncuti has been a great Doctor with his acting and his energy.

[@davidross3065]

As you continue on the older series you will meet someone soon that does the same thing as flood and that’s who I think she is…

[@michellejackson5011]

William Hartnel was the first dr. They put regeneration in the show when he was dieing

[@solitarymaninblack]

I did think that maybe people could have stayed dusted like Thanos would have it. Half of the universe. Sutekh would escape and The Doctor would be searching for him for season 2. Destroyed too easy. Mrs Flood has to be The Rani or an original character. Ruby did look good in that vest.

[@comeoninmycoop]

You guys did an EXCELLENT review. I enjoy everything you do. I think it would have hit differently for you if you were more familiar with some of the Classic Who. But, you're getting there and you're doing a great job!

[@nekobat1962]

They're in The Memory TARDIS

[@Thunderyhail]

This was a pretty good season but man this finale sucked such a whimper of an ending for a pretty solid season

[@xavierviolin]

They didn't stumble the landing, they faceplanted.

[@MrTrevcarter]

RustyD has said that not the whole story has plated out YET as its a 2 season story arc, then we gotta see if the Disney dollars come through. You guys have got to see Doctor Who Unleashed somehow and many more questions will be left answered.

[@MJE-riffs]

"I don't know if he's been there before". If I ever write volume three of Lost in Time and Space, he will have been.

[@lunacouer]

"That Terrance Howard math" "That Elon Musk math" 😂😂😂 Although when I think about it, that may have set up the conflict of Season 15. If you kill death, doesn't that also mean nothing ever dies? There's a WHOLE lotta problems if life can reproduce but nothing can ever die.

[@adamoswaldplayz9416]

18:42 Taking him out for walkies

[@jollyrayda]

I give the season around a 5 - but there's many factors to that. Late onset epilepsy and the drugs involved have been messing me round, which I think is why I just couldn't connect emotionally to any story. The writing was quite often low grade, with a lot of *very* familiar stories, and even brilliant performances couldn't rescue some of it. I really liked the energy of both Ncuti and Millie, but again, found it really hard to actually care about their characters. That was exacerbated by 73 Yards - Millie's performance was awesome, Ruby's behaviour with Marti was beyond cruel and the fact the whole experience was undone didn't change the fact she threw an innocent girl under the bus. The only episode i actually enjoyed was "Bubble and Dot", _because_ of the cruelty, which is not the way I usually feel about the generally family friendly Doctor Who. I'm hoping that this was just a bumpy season due to the change in bosses, and next will improve a bit, but given I gave up watching episodes on the day they dropped (a definite change in behaviour) I'm wondering if I've just disconnected at my end. My housemate is still having a ball though, so I'm glad for him.

[@user-yt2vl1kb4g]

First half of episode is a nine last half five. Loved Ncuti and Millie and Anita's "night night"

[@ricohutchinson9684]

The guys are back

[@grump9001]

Shout out to calamari face!! hahah

[@davidclayton579]

What's up with the two videos that aren't Doctor Who related being in the Doctor Who Playlist? I've been wondering about that!

[@coderdenewbie]

I thought this season feels like half a season and season 2 will the 2nd half. Mrs Flood is the connecting factor.

[@jankyteeth6213]

I know the Prequels was a mess. But Can we both Star Wars OG and Prequel fans agree on one thing and that is if only George Lucas would revealed that Jar Jar turns out to be a Sith Lord. It would’ve made the Prequels way better without there being Jar Jar moments.

[@nekobat1962]

The picture of Sutekh has been updated with modern technology

[@fayesouthall6604]

The woman on the planet who gave him a spoon was probably on a planet hes never seen before but the dust is slower there.

[@adamcarlson2192]

8:10 Temu TARDIS 😅

[@rockysherlock]

You should definitely watch season 4 of Torchwood miracle day when the world stops dying

[@christianschoff2490]

I loved the season but felt the finale was a massive let down. I do like all the memes that are popping up though.

[@f.o.r.jr.3311]

You guys should watch the Tales of the TARDIS recap videos

[@Lenkic13]

I just have to say that it’s only an exceptionally loud minority of bigots that call themselves fans that all of a sudden hate the 13th & 15th Doctors. It’s the same sad wankers who whinge about Star Wars and Star Trek turning “woke”. They are simply fueling hate for clicks because clicks get them paid. Ignore those clowns. The vast majority of true fans are not like that. We have criticisms for stores whether they are Classic, Nu or Disney, but they are based on the merits of the stories themselves, nothing else. I love that you guys have found this show. And I love that it was the casting of Ncuti that peaked your initial interest.

[@R_SENAL]

You posted late so you got 2 likes from me today, I watched half on my work laptop, and now finishing on this account for the wrap-up. Why can't you pick 7s? I give this ep an 8, but this season D&B, Boom, 73 + part 1 of this story, I gave 9.5s to as excellent. Ncuti is an excellent Doctor and I hope he stays for many years. Next Season will star Ncuti & Verada Sethu, and for some of it - Millie Gibson. Verada was in Boom, but we think she's playing a diff character. Like Freema in Series 2 before cast as Martha, or Peter Capaldi in Fires of Pompeii will come back again as you already know from your prior convos. I think this ep is getting a lot of unnecessary hate for a lot of the reasons you outlined, but done from a far more dark place. A lot of hard corp fans seem legit pissed by this ending not being all they wanted. And then people like yourselves, or even more casual fans, they have remarks but they feel entertained and generally happy. Can Doctor WHO do better? Sure. Was this awful? No. This was pretty good, but fell short of greatness by a few key decisions that didn't pan out. But w/Mrs Flood, the snow, Rogue and another character's boss being a mystery, and the thing with gravity, there is room for Series 2/15 to fill in a lot of gaps and make this better. I think The Doctor is either guessing about the road sign thing, or lying to Ruby in a way that she'll believe to protect her from something else. He knows the snow and the song isn't resolved so will keep an eye out. He's no dummy, he knew Mel wasn't Mel right? OH and the Memory TARDIS is bits and pieces of ALL the TARDIS console rooms over the last 60 years. There is a cool TARDIS tour that the Mel actress Bonnie Langford takes on the official Doctor WHO YT channel that's worth seeing if you want to see all the references. And Finally the callback in the beginning was to the 4th Doctor, not 1st. He was with Sarah Jane when he faced Sutekh.

[@VonPatzy]

Forget the cloak and the pointy point - I want to know if RTDavies has ever met or seen a 15 year old child. Here we have an emotionally charged barely teenager in a cloak 2004 never saw walking like a slow runway model without even a head swivel. A 15 year old moves more like a spastic Labrador puppy on a good day. I liked the season but the 1000 mystery boxes solved by - it was NOTHING AT ALL is kind of a wet blanket fart of an ending.

[@vrindam1247]

I'm hoping they retcon this

[@tez.3508]

He wasnt really a god, he was an osiron. Basically a really powerful alien thats nearly a god 😂🤣

[@garycullen7390]

THE FINALE is weak but as I pointed on another site the memory TARDIS is a black box and RTD gives you a load of BS instead of the bottom line. Seems rushed and with things not mentioned like RUBYs snow a bit sloppy

[@AJ-rp7ux]

The actors are a 10 out of 10. The stories are 6 out of 10. Sutekh was a 2 out of 10 for lousy CGI that never stopped reminding us it was CGI. Sutekh doesn't fit in with the 'pantheon of gods' shown thus far. I can believe the Toymaker and Maestro are related. Sutekh an oddball pick to feature this season, and yes, I grew up watching Tom Baker and know Sutekh's original appearance. Four of the episodes were great (Devil's Chord, Boom, 73 Yards, Rogue), but the season arc was a train wreck spoiling the finale. I reject that Millie is an ordinary human from an ordinary mom because we were persistently given hints of a grand supernatural mystery. I reject that an ordinary mother gave up her baby while wearing a cloak with an apparently invisible face while pointing at a street sign. I mean, what? WHAT? Dot and Bubble had greatness within it, but needlessly killing off Ricky Sunday was unforgivable. Ricky had future story potential defeating the AI across the many planets his people occupy, and then as a civil rights leader or resistance fighter waging war to achieve equality among his people. His race is spacefaring, with an entire planet devoted to housing social media employees, so surely his people have spread to many planets, some of which still survive. Russel T. Davies did something similarly unforgivable killing off most of the characters in Voyage of the Damned. Up to that point, when the Doctor told you he would save you, viewers were in for a ride to see the Doctor pull it off -- and we knew it would happen. We could trust the Doctor when he made that promise. But no, instead we got a bloodbath in that particular story. RTD needs someone to reign him in and give more shape to his ideas sometimes. So, sure, give us Dot & Bubble featuring the most annoying characters ever written for 43 minutes, surprise us with one nice person, and then kill the nice person. I mean, okay, if that was the point of the story. But no, the point of the story was racism, and Ricky was murdered simply because he no longer served a function in the story. I give the season 6 out of 10 just because the bad stories had glaring issues. I love the cast. I hope RTD listens to the non-bigoted portion of his critics, regroups, and gives us a banger of a second season. My advice in that regard is fewer stories written by RTD, and more stories written by everyone else. Keep Steven Moffat on retainer.

[@justcallme_al6106]

I feel I could have done a better job at making the finale than what that was.

[@kaihinataplays1992]

The lesson was okay, the mystery was engaging, the execution of the finale, was just not good. I'm sorry but, not good. I kinda wanted her to be related to the Doctor in some way. I kinda wanted that to give us a little more reason why Ruby and the Doctor were so close. So many Doctor Light episodes, I feel like making it more familial, would have made more of an impact.

[@qqqqqqqqqqqq121212]

It’s so funny how you’re going to watch the rest series 4 through series 13 after having already watched this 😂 It doesn’t really spoil anything in this mad show but it might make things even more confusing somehow! Just think in every episode you watch, Suetkh is on the Tardis. And you’re dead right about how ‘those’ people view Doctors 13 to 15 - 12 is way more woke than they are but he’s a white guy so they like it.

[@MrTrevcarter]

Gallifreyan nail tatoos 😅😅

[@nekobat1962]

7.5. Because there was a big buildup to Ruby's mystery and she's just ordinary. WTF? She scared gods. There was no DNA to find. And she makes it snow! The future had a boring solution. However..... There are questions that haven't been answered. The Doctor is facing tragedy. Plus what's up with Rogue.

[@SoTOreo]

sadly this is RTD a lot. We have already see him hit the UNDO button in a lot of his stories though I will say like season2 we got separated from Rose trapping her in the parallel dimension. In this the only person who died in this 2 parts seems to be Harriet Arbinger seemingly got disintegrated by the tardis beam. I get RTD trying to deliver this message that even someone extremely ordinary can be important because our perception can make them important. but you had all this crazy stuff go on like the snow and music. if they are least tried to explain that as being linked to this memory tardis being present at her abandonment.... her mom pointing at the street sign... yea thats 100% bs. even if like some people have tried to explain theres CCTV everywhere so she was doing that for the cameras... yea no.... that was a dramatic as hell turn and a very hate filled pointing and she could have left a damn note. But yea they pulled a lot of Disney starwars here. Who are Reys parents? meh nobody. her parents were commoners. There is even a line from the Maestro "What are you!??!" like shes even acknowledging somethings unique and crazy about ruby. It is very similar to a line from a previous episode. sadly a lot of the hate toward this season is 100% due to the doctor being black. the hate channels try to play it off like its not about race and they arent racist but then the way they pick apart ever element of the show just shows they are talking out their rear. sadly i think a lot of the hate while partial being due to the doctor being black now is left over from Jodis era. There was a lot wrong with those seasons. The press being one of them. I am curious to see your thoughts on all of it because to me those seasons were just full of half baked story ideas and bad character development. half the time i was like ok we have half a good story here with half filler. Or talking about saving the environment but we HAVE to have aliens in here somehow because its doctor who we cant just have an episode purely about how humans are messing up the planet.

[@A7bz3LOT4AL0B]

Honestly, 9.7/10. Far better than the whole of Season 4 along with Tom Bakers era altogether .

[@iiTzPredatorHD]

The episode was brilliant till the whole ruby & her mother bit 😅

[@JS2HJG]

I'm giving the season as a whole 9.5 out of 10. It still felt like Doctor who to me. I'm someone who started Doctor Who back in 2005 and has watched it up to now. But I'm also one of the few that has gone back to watch classic Who. Here's a fun fact, you actually know the doctor's real name in classic Who. Doctor name is under d³∑x² it a long name. But for short, Sigma is a shorter way to it. Your welcome. Because the only way to find that his name is in the five Doctors special in the 70s or 80s.

[@Kasterborous1963]

ð³Σx² is never said in any classic episode. That came from the novelization of The Deadly Assassin. The closest we ever came to the Doctor's real name in the show was when Drax called him Theta Sigma in The Armageddon Factor. That was later retconned as being only a nickname in The Happiness Patrol.

[@JS2HJG]

@@Kasterborous1963 it in the 5 doctors special, where the 4 doctors out of 5 are read the scriptures and it reveals his name.

[@Kasterborous1963]

@@JS2HJG Yes, those letters are in the episode. But the episode itself not once says that is his name. When the Doctors translate what they're reading, none mention that those letters are their name. As I said, the only source to ever state those letters are his name is the novelization of The Deadly Assassin. The show never does.

[@magus104]

its crazy how we had so many haters even on one of your past live streams someone saying ncuti has no range. well that was clearly someone who made up their mind not to watch before the season even began and is just repeating something they hear on a hate video lol. think ncuti has shown more range than most of the doctors. now if he made that claim about jodi i might have partially agreed. jodi seemed a bit out of her depth to me. she grew into the role over time i think with more time she could have gone up in my ranking but early on scifi and mystery stuff seemed like something she wasnt used to doing. to me most other doctors feel like they embody the energy of the doctor within the first 2 episodes. with jodi i dunno if it was writing or directing but she was closed off. i watched another reactor watch the spider-mans recently and i think he said it pretty good at least in terms of the movies. toby was a great peter parker, andrew was a great spider-man, tom is the best of both. personally toby didnt have the comedy element i like when spider-man is kinda spitting wise cracks while fighting villains. andrew brought that back. miles is great too though my biggest complain about miles is the spider climbing powers are already questionable enough. sticky hairs on the fingers and such? hows that get through the suit? so you assume hes got it on his feet too... miles wearing nikes but also not tying his laces? bro you gonna trip..... not that with his acrobatics tripping on his shoe laces would mean anything lol.but hows the sticky stuff getting through the suit and then the shoe soles as well? about if the show would get canceled... i hope not. its hard to tell what ratings mean these days. the final episode of classic who had 5 million viewers. now back then the tracking as different. but that was in 1989 though a big part of it getting fired was a new studio head started and he was one of the haters... "doctor who sucks, star trek is better and looks better" and just sabotaged the show basically. 2005 doctor who as a whole averaged about 7.5 million viewers per episode. Jodies era started about 8 million per episode but her 2nd season dropped to about 5.5 million a season 2023 doctor who seems to be averaging about 3.5 million but if we consider how tv viewing habits have changed in the past 20 years.... its kinda hard to say what numbers are even bad. Lets look at world of warcraft for example. at their height of world of warcrafts popularity they had like 15 million active players. in 2015 world of warcraft had dropped to 5.5 million players at which point they stopped publicly displaying that info because it made them look bad and being a publicly traded company telling the stock holders they lost 66% of their player base obviously looks bad.... however they started putting more effort into the cash shop to sell cosmetic items and stuff. so their revenue stream wasnt as bad as the loss in subcribers made it look. so everyone was talking gloom and doom, dead game there must only be like 1 million people playing now etc etc... but the cash shop is kind of out of control at this point. and one of the employees at Blizzard put out a graph with no numbers on it but showing where they were at the 5.5 million spot in 2015 and the internet being full of us nerds people did a pixel to pixel analysis of that graph and drew the conclusion that this "dead game" had about 7.5 million subscribers or something like that. and an employee at blizzard pretty much gave a vague response like "yea thats about where we are at" which means wow this game everyone thought was dead is still the most popular and biggest money making MMO on the market even after nearly 20 years and all the ups and downs the company has had. so yea who knows what the numbers mean now. doctor whos viewer ship might be less but the property is more than just the show. and if we also consider todays generation doesnt move out on their own as much as last generation. so what if the view count is less because the economy is so bad combine with younger people not wanting to work maybe they just gather round the couch like in the 80s and 90s and actually watch tv together with family or friends? damn this is too long and no ones gonna read this lol. sorry but hey youtube likes engagement so

[@roselynholloway7863]

Tomorrow Is my birthday

[@solitarymaninblack]

I do cringe at some of Carla's scenes. I don't know if it is the lines or the acting.

[@deathswitch2404]

I really enjoy watching you guys but its kinda disappointed with you both implying that just because someone doesnt like doctors 13-15 it means they're racist.. I mean, Doctor 14 is one of the most beloved actors to play the role & some fans wish he didnt come back at all BECAUSE of the writing. The show has always had liberal roots. We Who fans have had decades of change and adapting in a cycle and have learned to embrace it.. when the stories are told well. You havent gotten to the Moffat Era yet, so once you're there youll maybe understand thr complaints; imo the drop off was drastic. Maybe thats a personal bias of my own, because Sherlock was one of my favorite series of all time, idk. Ive loved Ncuti and Jodie in everything they've been in, its really not the actors they pick for the doctor. Its the showrunners choices. But just an example for the problems i have with writing for this season was something Syntel mentioned; Rubys heritage has been pushed to the forefront of every episode and we were constantly told how impossible she was and her mother was this unknown entity (the maestro called Ruby an " impossible creature", the ambulance in Boom even said she was over 1,000 years old!). Being deliberately lied to about how important she is made the reveal felt bad and was not rewarding AT ALL. Which sucked because the incredibly moving scene when they reunited wouldve felt even better if we weren't completely misled down this path the entire series. Also the universe dusting 5 minutes into the finale immediately removed the stakes for me because obviously they wont kill everyone so it took me out. The acting this season is incredible, Millie and Ncuti were incredible, one of the best new who teamups. I completely agree the issue is not Ncuti at all. If i cant choose 7 then its a 8 for me too. Music, acting, set pieces, SOME of the writing was really great. The poor finale really hurts the season as a whole imo.

[@BriMakesComments]

Said it all for me cheers. Would wannaknow how you wanna fix things other than more Moffat ? RTD did his good stuff hes famous for and got some fans crying. The holes in the plot were just unacceptable to new fans and old. If theres a multi season arc let us know Russ ? Do it Moffat style ! Rebranding for a Disney audiance needs confidence fron the public. Its where the money comes from now. Hope Moffats crimbo is special. Love me some Chuti and Millie chemestry. Hey what do I know though was born in 70 and hid behind the sofa for most of 3 and 4 lol

[@brucesimmons5517]

The Ambulance in Boom said she was 2000+ years old because they were in the future.

[@zyeman23]

To me personally now that the doctor can be any race or gender just doesn't make sense.. so you tellin me for 12 versions of the doctor that homeboy kept regenerating into the same race and gender.. but all of a sudden the regenerations are random.. doesn't make any sense dude make it make sense..

[@D-Cameron]

Not sure what Doctors thirteen through fifteen had in common, since fourteen was a white man.

[@strawberrybudz8578]

First

[@DennisSchmitz]

Great acting from Ncuti and Millie but rather mediocre ending with quite a few plot holes and feeling rushed again after a nice build up. Ordinary person... really? Feels like they changed the story last minute before filming. Like why was the mysterious woman walking like an 80 year old? Why pointing at a signpost? Why was there snow following Ruby? I think RTD should prioritize story over messaging at some point.

[@RudiMyDear]

This and Space Babies were probably the only disappointing episodes.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

We don't know anything of the Doctor's family background even 61 years later all we know is he has a granddaughter and that he was a father once that's it we don't need to know otherwise it's not "Doctor Who?". The whole Ruby and mum thing was so boring and dragged on too long it was lazily written and a real cop-out ending I'm getting tired of companions and their family issues I just want to see the adventures in time and space fighting monsters and going to different planets.

[@brownfox1540]

One of the worst season finales ever. One of the worst season arcs ever. Still love ncuti's doctor, i'll still be tuning in release date for every next episode, but this was just one of the worst season finales ever. Honestly, i can't wait for y'all to just continue OGNuWho, y'all are just about to enter the golden era.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

I'm sorry but the true golden era was 70's Who.