Doctor Who: Dot And Bubble Breakdown - 21 Easter Eggs & References!

[@WhoCulture]

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[@roblough3314]

RIP William Russell who played Ian Chesterton, one of the truly great Doctor Who companions.

[@BadViking1]

It was great to see him in Power of the Doctor Just like Bernard Cribbins He will be sadly missed

[@j.i.nthenobody54]

RIP my goat William

[@LMK-Gaming]

6:12 It's not just Lindy, there's not one person of colour in any of the planets inhabitants. They're all white. Ncuti is literally the only black actor in that entire episode.

[@jonporter7709]

Honestly think thats why he couldnt get through the shield. It was designed to only allow whites, and the doctor being who he is wouldnt think of that off the bat

[@Borgdrohne13]

Maybe it's bc. they're race only has white people. We don't know.

[@digi7773]

their barely any doctor, in doctor who

[@LMK-Gaming]

@@digi7773 there is a valid reason for that. Filming for season 4 of Sex Education over ran and conflicted with filming of series 14 so they had to adjust some episodes where Ncuti wasn't available.

[@PootPootMagoot]

@@digi7773 Doctor-lite episodes are nothing new in Doctor Who. Father's Day, Love and Monsters, Blink, Human Nature, Turn Left, Extremis etc.

[@haroldsaxon]

The circular nature of Lindy's bedroom might also be because in universe they don't want to injure themselves on sharp edges or corners since they're not paying attention to the world around them.

[@markkenny2001]

RIP William Russell (1924-2024). 🙏🙏🙏🕊🕊🕊

[@Markeebee100]

Proper

[@WhoCulture]

Hear hear. RIP ♥♥

[@andrewronaldcrew3917]

❤

[@murraymint8599]

❤

[@hollymatton474]

❤

[@vanessabrannan4059]

Why is no one talking about Lindy's name being Pepper Bean? Not only is she named after a vegetable, but she's got TWO vegetable names!! With Mrs Bean being such an important point in Wild Blue Yonder, I'm so surprised that no one has picked up on this. It's probably nothing, but it feels like too big of a coincidence.

[@brasswirebrush]

Mrs Bean and Sgt Pepper = Pepper-Bean? Callback to the Beatles episode? Or would this episode be more of reference to the White album.

[@cipherhex]

One thing I haven't seen anyone comment on: The ep's Susan Twist appearance confirms to me that she's most likely been spread across the Doctor's path through time, in a timey-wimey way, like for example, how Clara was. Because whereas all the other appearances could just be her intentionally sneaking around, following the doctor, and hiding like the Meddling Monk, in D&B, she *is* Lindy's mother, and has presumably raised her, her entire life.

[@Damon_NZ]

Lindy may only be conditioned to think it's her mother. Could she have been her whole life and memories of home and family, only implanted? Consider how easily everyone is already mind-controlled anyway. It's like they live in a terrarium, perhaps a snapshot of what their world was like. She's never been hugged, they are certainly not reproducing.

[@R_SENAL]

People mention Clara a lot with relation to Twist. I look farther back. I think she's splintered like Scaroth of the Jagaroth. Something will happen in the finale to splinter her biodata across time or along the Doctor's biodata time line specifically. Which is certainly Clara-esque.

[@cipherhex]

@@Damon_NZ True true, it could be something like, but if she just Meddling-Monking around, this part will need explained with some like your theories.

[@mizstories9646]

Clara is exactly where my mind went as well.

[@SpideyVids]

So, another story arc plagiarised by RTD.

[@shawnholbrook7278]

the gravity / mavity thing is something that the Doctor "almost" remembers, like Ruby "almost" remembers her other timeline. Is that where she remembers seeing "Mummy"?

[@christinag.1538]

plus all the episodes had a "lucky mummy, she went up to the sky" thing ....

[@HigHanGill]

Thanks Sean! So many Eggs this week. ‘Turn Left’ was said so many times by the bubble too - big Easter Egg… is this timeline all just a detour?

[@zargondm]

Space babies was babies acting like adults, and Dot and Bubble is Adults acting like babies. e.g. They don't even know how to walk. Fancy that.

[@hollymatton474]

Dot and Bubble was such an interesting episode! I loved the concept of it and the lead character was so unlikeable, yet there were moments at the beginning where I felt slightly sorry for her. But her actions at the end and the decisions of her friends were awful! Ncuti's performance in those final scenes was incredible and I loved the music too! 😊😊 Also RIP William Russell ❤❤

[@jasonhaven7170]

The thing is she was always like that, but if you're not used to racism, you won't notice it when it's subtle.

[@hollymatton474]

@@jasonhaven7170 I only felt sorry for her at the beginning in the moments where she was more vulnerable. I definitely picked up on a few signs of the racism but it wasn't until those final scenes where it was truly confirmed. She was a truly awful character and ncuti's performance made those final scenes even more heartbreaking! 😢

[@jarrodnewman0514]

R.I.P. William Russell (Ian Chatterton?? Chesterfield??... Chesterton!!) (1924-2024)

[@francisco_m7849]

😊 rest in peace, Mr. Russell. You made teachers cool in Science Fiction TV.

[@leijen208]

Ricky September was one of the best parts of the episode. I thought he wpuld die heroically, the way he went out was horrific. But Pepper will get her payback I guess

[@bendeywendy8065]

I felt Murray Gold was subtly auditioning for the next Bond movie with this episode. It got very Bond-esque towards the end

[@liammellor6405]

Yes! I was getting a Bond vibe from the music. Very much so.

[@sallyatticum]

It was a great dramatic version of the 15th Doctor's theme.

[@davidstares985]

Never mind Twist watch! We need a Jimbo watch!

[@jazzvader]

Loved the ending to this episode! 15's theme in full blast has me going CRAZY!

[@MaybeItsGas]

Wondering if the triangle was a subtle nod to Triad, rather than Playstation. Or maybe it's both, and there's a twist coming that they're in a video game (maybe Susan Twist is the "playable character" in this sense? Or just a repeating NPC)

[@jbancroftconnors]

I can’t be the only one who saw the Disney connection with the Jungle Cruise boat gliding towards a waterfall at the end?

[@samanthacampbell375]

I actually said to my BF that the boat reminded me of the Disney Jungle Cruise boat! I am so glad I am not the only one who saw it!

[@ashleyklotz3762]

I didn't see Jungle Cruise, I saw Willy Wonka 😁 even had the song in my head for a few hours

[@TalesofaTimelord]

They’re literally going on a boat, through the back side of water, and down a river that goes through a jungle.

[@NicoleM_radiantbaby]

Yep, I saw it. And all the colonizer themes it brought up.

[@traciterluin9479]

It is 100% a jungle cruise boat.😂

[@DillJosh007]

Absolutely an episode you have to watch twice. Or at least watch an explainer on. Because in hindsight the twist was so well hinted at but also said hints were hidden in plain sight so well that I completely missed them.

[@LesPaulDavis]

Informative as always. I thought the Stingray reference might have got a mention though. One of the friends Lindy called for when they were being eaten one-by-one was “Aquamarina”. That name being that of the mute mermaid in Gerry Anderson’s Supermarionation series, Stingray (the series that came before Thunderbirds). Gerry’s son Jamie is also famously a big DW fan and has directed DW audios for Big Finish. Wibbly wobbly.

[@craigmcgrathactor]

It's very similar to a short story by E.M.Forster called The Machine Stops, written in 1909. This has people living in an underground city and relying entirely on machines. They can't function or walk without the technology. Outside the city there are giant worms roaming around. The story was adapted for TV in 1966 for BBC'S Out of the Unknown. ( I think this was wiped)

[@andrewholliday251]

It's also very similar to The Macra Terror story from 1967 (see Gridlock for another reference to it); same issues, different tech. BTW - the Out of the Unknown 'Machine Stops' episode does, fortunately, still exist - and definitely worth tracking down.

[@jeevesrift3016]

The outfit pic is also the same time they filmed the Boat scene as it was filmed at the Barrage between Cardiff and Penarth, the sunset of the pic is silhouette of Penarth!

[@Happymama12]

I was wondering if anybody else noticed he said gravity! I’m so glad it was mentioned. I always feel proud when I find my own Easter eggs lol and it’s one of the things I’ve been trying to pay attention to with the gravity/mavity thing.

[@WhoCulture]

What’s gravity?

[@Happymama12]

@@WhoCulture I think it’s when your tooth hurts and you have to go get a filling.

[@IceMetalPunk]

@@WhoCulture Obviously a typo. I think they meant mavity. Maybe gravelly? Hard to tell what the intention is.

[@iainmccord]

Thing is the word gravity wasn't invented by Newton although the theory of the mutual attraction of objects of mass was. They used gravity to describe how heavy things were and so knew what the gravity of the situation meant. Mavity, in universe, would be an eventual replacement of the word describing the effect by the word describing the cause.

[@alexwilson2503]

Objection to the characterising of the Dots as evil. They are clearly the heroes of the piece 😂

[@chrisclay7013]

My thought here is that it realized how these people treat anyone different than them, so it decided to act first.

[@toddfraser3353]

I wouldn't call it a happy ending, but I wouldn't call it a sad one as well. I do like how well it moved us from rooting and feeling pitty for her, to just indifference to her fate. Which is a rare emotion to get out of a story.

[@koshnaranek4442]

@@toddfraser3353 My thoughts exactly. Until she sacrificed Ricky to save her skin, I was rooting for her. Then when she (and her friends) wouldn't go with The Doctor, even though he said they will die if they didn't. That is when I thought that they deserved their fate.

[@MSThalamus-gj9oi]

Totally agree. I've been a Doctor Who fan for an embarrassing number of decades. I've never so badly wanted to watch every single guest character meet a bad end before. Eaten by a slug? Too good for these rich snots.

[@jackthefrog80085]

The dots hate rich people too

[@hiccuphufflepuff176]

The Doctor joked about Ruby Sunday and Mundi in Boom. Ricky September makes the third character with a name off of a calendar. I wonder if that's going to mean anything.

[@BadWolfBricks]

I’m thinking Susan twists cameo in rouge might not be a physical person, but rather a piece of artwork or something like that. Because we’re so close to the finale two-parter, To me it doesn’t make sense for Ruby and the doctor to have a confrontation with her this episode.

[@Happymama12]

UNLESS it’s at the very end and it’s like a cliffhanger. Like the doctor and Ruby see her and then it cuts to the end credits lol

[@BadWolfBricks]

@@Happymama12 That would be pretty cool! I don’t know if they would do that though due to how it kinda flirts with a 3-parter. Really not sure though. Great idea!

[@Happymama12]

@@BadWolfBricks they’ve done it before though, season 3 on utopia, you don’t find out who Yana is until the very end, then it goes into the 2 part episodes the sound of drums and last of the time lords. That was RTD too. Season 4 “turn left” “the stolen earth” and “journey’s end” run together, written by RTD, happens in season 9 the end of face the raven ties into heaven sent/hell bent. It’s actually done quite a bit throughout the series.

[@BadWolfBricks]

@@Happymama12 I completely agree with that but the thing is all those stories had an overarching thing. I’m not sure Rouge is gonna be that connected to legend of Ruby Sunday and Empire of Death tone and story wise. It’s completely possible though.

[@Happymama12]

@@BadWolfBricks Not sure exactly what you mean. Utopia didn’t seem to connect until the end so I mean you’re not gonna see how it connects until it does. Turn left didn’t seem to connect necessarily until at the end Donna said “bad wolf”, he runs outside and sees “bad wolf” written everywhere. Face the raven seemed like a filler episode kinda until the end when Clara dies and the doctor gets taken, that’s how it happens with these episodes like the last couple mins of an episode is the connecting piece to the 2 parters. Season 5 practically every episode was connected at least at the end by seeing the crack. I’ve just watched the series so many times through that I know it’s definitely something that is done and you don’t see how they connect until the last couple mins of an episode. And then you have like an “aha” moment. Personally I think all of these episodes in this season will connect in some way because we can’t deny some weird stuff is happening this season that simply doesn’t make sense even by doctor who standards. Especially when it comes to Susan twist.

[@Thebrainymonkey]

A couple of things I noticed, Firstly, when The Doctor brings up Suzie who's on the list just before Lindy, she says "Happy day!', surely a nod to the '70s series The Children of the Stones? Also, the final location of the episode, the docks, reminds me of the submarine base in The Spy who Loved me, and when the boat starts to leave, there's a hint of the bond motif in the music too.

[@graybassoon22]

Does anyone else notice how much Susan Twist’s characters wear blue/are surrounded by blue things? It’s been sticking out to me the past few weeks. no idea what it means but just something i saw 🤷‍♂️

[@cyriljackal]

Susan Triad = S. Triad = TARDIS

[@LinguaPhiliax]

As many comments have mentioned, RIP William Russell (1924-2024) who played Ian Chesterton. It was lovely to see him reprise the role one last time in the The Power of the Doctor. This also means that Carole Ann Ford is the only one of the original TARDIS crew still with us. I do hope we see her as Susan again someday soon as well.

[@ElihuWho]

07:55 Susan Twist is "The One Who Waits"...a.k.a. the Toymaker's mom. You don't mess with your mom. She is RESPOSIBLE for where the Dr goes to use as a test to see "Who" he is

[@adamfreddo5703]

You could be right, but Maestro referred to the one who waits as "him". But you never know.

[@ftumschk]

4:16 I believe that the tactic of covering up for bad weather via a line in the script was first used in "The Claws of Axos" (1971).

[@lynbattersby]

I actually wondered if Susan Twist is the face of everyone's Mummy. They all see the same person as their Mummy, especially given that the space babies all have a Mummy and a Daddy that they're waiting for.

[@gaynarchist]

I've seen this said before and I don't really know why people are saying this. She had the same last name as Lindy and a "go lindy!" thing in her bio

[@stryker_t]

@@gaynarchist that doesn't mean that she couldn't have another last name and "go (name)" when someone else called up their mom. besides Ricky September, everyone in that city is self centered and unlikely to care to look up or ask about someone else's mom or dad to notice they might all be the same.

[@gaynarchist]

@@stryker_t But there is no reason to think this?? She literally cries after she finds out her mom is dead lol

[@andrewholliday251]

@@gaynarchist Yeah she cries...so what? She's a shallow self-centred narcisstic airhead (like her 'friends') - everythings a performance - including crying. That's the point. 'Mummy' is probably software to feed the ego and keep the food fresh until their surname comes up.

[@stryker_t]

@@gaynarchist the reason is because we've seen that actor play different characters up to this point and something strange is going on with them. yes she thinks that is her mom, but that doesn't mean she wasn't just lead to believe that either, it's implied she might have never even had any personal contact with that woman, since Ricky September was the first time she ever hugged anyone.

[@manticore5733]

Just struck me of another RTD style explaination of Susan Twist - maybe her 'look' is a Bad Wolf... the first new who series saw that scattered across time - maybe Susan Twist is the face of Ruby's mother. So not a literal character scattered like Clara but the facial structure like the name Bad Wolf? That would give thematic ties to that original season whilst planting a clue for Ruby to search her out in next year's season.

[@NealHunterHyde]

#21 “Supporting Actors” - THANK YOU!! They kept saying “essays” on Unleashed and my American ass was convinced it was some sort of slang I didn’t understand.

[@SG20three]

In one of the teaser trailers for the Rogue episode a group of people appear to be standing in a big luminous triangle like the one on the door.

[@Need2Pleaze]

Maybe it’s just me, but my interpretation of the ending was not about racism but about tribalism and, to a lesser degree, classism. This seems more in keeping with the bubble/echo chamber theme of the episode. Initially, The Doctor is very direct with Lindy and is obviously not from her bubble/tribe and is quickly rejected. In the second attempt to help Lindy, Ruby pretends to be in her tribe by telling Lindy what she wants to hear to gain her trust even though Ruby is not part of Lyndy’s specific bubble. Ricky September is not only part of her bubble, she is a massive fan girl of his, so of course she is going to trust him. It is also mentioned that Fine Time is very exclusive to young rich kids (classism). By the end, this guy from her “tribe” tells her that they can survive out in the wild. Again, it’s what she wants to hear and believe even though she can barely walk by herself, never mind trying to chew gum at the same time. Meanwhile, the Doctor is telling her the opposite, you cannot survive out there on your own. This contradicts the message from her tribe/echo chamber and is therefore rejected out of hand. He’s also not rich or as young as the Fine Time kids so he is looked down on as being lower class as well. That’s just how I saw the episode. Bringing racism into the episode at the last minute seems very out of left field. Having said all of that and going back and rewatching parts of the episode, I see why many people see the issue at the end as purely racism. Other than hair color, there is no noticeable diversity within Lindy’s bubble. Maybe the answer is all three things are going on at the same time. I always find it interesting how different people can interpret the same thing in different ways.

[@scotthewitt258]

She literally said she did not know The Doctor was the same person because, follow along now, "I just thought you all looked alike"..... The main message is clearly about racism.

[@scotthewitt258]

Also, Lindy was shocked Ruby was in the same room as The Doctor. Lindy "worked" in a small office with five other people. It was about Ruby getting "contaminated".

[@scotthewitt258]

And, "Go with someone like YOU?!?!?" Zero issue with someone like Ruby. The issue was specifically with the person who did NOT look Aryan/Nordic.

[@daidai8129]

Definitely was racism. Literally almost everyone there had blonde hair and blue eyes. Especially when it was noted that everyone was contaminated enough by his presence for them to not need his assistance

[@IceMetalPunk]

It was both racism and classism. Firstly, as others have pointed out, she couldn't even tell the Doctor was the same person she'd seen that morning because "I thought you just looked alike". Then there's the fact that she's far more rude to the Doctor than to Ruby, despite both being the same class of outsider. There's the "he's not as stupid as he looks" comment, implying that his appearance is enough for her to decide he's stupid. The jump to "that's voodoo" when talking about the TARDIS. Yes, they're classist. They're also very clearly racist. And in case you still need convincing... Russell himself said part of the reason he made this episode the way he did was because when Ncuti was cast, people kept asking if the Doctor will experience racism when traveling to the past. And he responded, "The past? What about right now?" So he set a story about racism in the future.

[@LucyMichela]

Here me out... Ricky September's actor to be a future Doctor in a similar concept to Capaldi coming in? Maybe just me that way he played a doctor-esque character

[@CJ-qp7hi]

Ricky September real name is Richard Coombes, anagram- "Bardic Hero Comes." Bards (Bardic) manifest themselves as a different kind of hero, ones that make choices to set them apart from the martial and magical protagonists that seem to dominate fantasy lore-formerly one of an ancient Celtic order of poets who recited verses about the exploits, often legendary, of their tribes

[@bentilley5412]

Nice theory, but you're missing an 'e".

[@CJ-qp7hi]

@@bentilley5412 god damn it google! Still un canny for the type of character. 😂

[@amarie_2]

lol, Ricky September could’ve left headband to her own devices. 😅

[@cuppapablo]

The interface at Lindy's job looks even more like the Discord app logo. Which also fits within the social media theme, and still ties into videogaming as a lot of gamers use it to be able to chat and have voice/videochats with others players.

[@alexanderrobertson9297]

I'd say Lindy's work is some sort of streaming job. The symbol looks like a controller but reminds me a little of the discord logo, both go hand in hand with streaming.

[@stryker_t]

in the episode, she said it was some sort of generic data processing.

[@TreyMcDonaldAnimator]

First off a salute to the longest living companion to date, William Russell. God bless you and thank you. Secondly, Susan Twist. I had this theory that Doctor Who right now is self aware its in this televised series of events, each episode seemingly a nod to a pre=existing show or genre of movie, i.e. musical, thriller, family friendly, etc. Susan Twist being in each installment as this helper, assistant. mother figure, might not be such a coincidence. What if Susan Twist's character is actually a new villain, a sort of twisted producer or director that is pulling the strings to everything going on, a la The Truman Show or Big Brother? And to that. what if she had a hand in Ruby Sunday's life, her being constructed solely to fit this arc?

[@IceMetalPunk]

I'm not sure if Susan Twist fits in quite like that, but I've been suspecting that the show is going for "it's aware it's a show" since the Devil's Chord. My guess is that the big bad for the season will turn out to be something like The Celestial Storyteller, who's been influencing the whole season since the Celestial Toymaker was banished. Whether that Storyteller is Susan Twist or not... I dunno. I half expect it to be Ruby's biological parent, the Oldest One, the One Who Waits.

[@pamelawelch5955]

Lindy looks out of the corner of her eye to see something she hasn't been able to see before. Like Amy looking at Prisoner One.

[@severindrax]

Prisoner Zero, but yea, good catch

[@IceMetalPunk]

@@severindrax Off-by-one errors catch us all out from time to time 😂 (That's... maybe a bit funnier to programmers...)

[@SunnyShuklathedoctor]

8:53 i think 55 is Russell's favourite number or lucky number or something. Its also referenced in World Enough and Time / The Doctor Falls by Moffat. One of the floors is 55 something. Moffat said something about it but i dont remember when.

[@callummahon9798]

I’ve been loving these breakdowns❤ thank u so much

[@IrishSpider]

How do the weather satellites affect the weather inside an enclosed dome?

[@IceMetalPunk]

Maybe the dome is semi-permeable: keeps creatures out, but lets weather in?

[@TheHarper11]

55 like in Orphan 55 and triangle like in Triad? Hmmm

[@thenumbdave]

My guess is that the triangle on the door leading out is symbolic of leaving the safe round embrace of Finetime and entering the spiky dangerous claws of the Wild Woods.

[@ryno1509]

I thought the whole point of the 2 hours “work” is just an excuse to make sure the dots batterys stay charged up

[@Sómaisumguri]

William Russel, who played Ian Chersteton on the era of the First Doctor died today, but no worry guys because William and Jacqueline are with him no matter what happens! RIP Absolute Legend!

[@twistedrealitys742]

When The Meep said he said something about the boss. This was before the doctor spilt the salt Also the triangle in this could be a reference to the tried and Susan Triad.

[@JCQuickDIY]

The fact that Ricky September's famous song is Yellow Polka Dot Bikini is a perfect reference to how random old songs go viral on tiktok

[@garfar912]

The song isn't random.

[@V.Ultra_Ultra.V]

Crazy theory though, Amy Pond is the one who waits.

[@TheRagekage5000]

RIP William Russell thoughts and prayers 🙏🙏🙏 go out to his family and friends ❤️❤️❤️

[@mikeinhouston8181]

Are we sure that Susan Twist isn’t a running spatial genetic multiplicity callback?

[@jackthefrog80085]

I was really happy to hear the long song motif. It's one of my favourite scores and even for the dumpster fire that series 7 was, that song was awesome

[@koshnaranek4442]

To me, the underground set reminded me of The Christmas Star where 10 drained the Thames to kill the monsters.

[@brittneywithers927]

See Lindy gave Mrs Flood vibes, especially watching back the comments she made in the Church on Ruby Road. That stare down scene at the end as well, with the explanation of the Tardis, also echos the comment “have you never seen a tardis before” What if Mrs Flood is the daughter of Susan Twist…

[@joannelively9934]

Love 15ths theme it's very 'Bondy'.... what an ending!! I didn't think I could dislike a character since Adam but Lindy easily succeeded

[@theoldjedimindtrick]

Mad guess on the back of all this. Dot is the child of twist or twist’s younger self.? The man trappers? Slug things. Reminded me of “Day of the Triffids” consuming the blind.

[@BritishBeachcomber]

Murray Gold is a brilliant Doctor Who composer. He also wrote the Goblin Song.

[@IceMetalPunk]

Look, that song was silly as hell, but I won't deny it's also catchy as hell and stuck in my head for weeks.

[@Sk8rToon]

I was thinking their “job” might be using their brain as a computer. I wanna say she called it data processing. The city’s computer used their brain as processing power but they weren’t aware of what was being processed.

[@thewiseturtle]

Makes sense. Just like on Satellite 5. With the Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe.

[@carolinemcgovern4488]

My theory is the dot was using their DNA in the system to create the slugs- hence everyone complaining about their skin chapping-the Dot was using their DNA to create the slugs and thus bits of their skin come off,

[@JoshWiniberg]

6 is very good analysis, nicely done! And I was so happy to hear the Long Song motif in this episode! Easily Gold's best piece of DW writing for me.

[@gibbnasta]

To all the circles. What if they've been in a TARDIS this whole time and it's Susan Twist's as her being Susan or Genny, or an old or new Timelord. The One Who Waits has something to day with the calendar or keeping of time. Sunday, Monday, September, I think there was another.

[@shawnholbrook7278]

Thanks Y'all! I am dreading the end of this season, but happy to have Who episodes and WhoCulture.

[@magamusica5399]

RIP Willian Russell. Ian and Barbara are together again.

[@verilybitchie]

"Jimbo" is also from RTD's "Bob & Rose"!

[@robsquared2]

Now that unleashed has come out I'm hoping the point is gotten that this was commentary on echo chambers and not just "social media bad."

[@scotthewitt258]

Neither of those is the real MAIN message, though.

[@IceMetalPunk]

@@scotthewitt258 Meh, bigotry doesn't magically occur, it's nurtured by echo chambers. So that part is very much the main message.

[@Aezetyr]

Orphan-55 is also the name of one of the most divisive 13th doctor episodes.

[@edwardtorres1694]

No one recognized the boat at the end as the one for Disneyland jungle cruise?

[@ryanfogarty7691]

Notice how the Finetimer who volunteers himself to be leader at the end, Cavendish, has a surname beginnign with C and should be long dead by this point? *points* Secret villain! ...amid a whole species of overt villains!

[@cyriljackal]

Maybe Cavendish is his first name? Cavendish Xavier 😊

[@IceMetalPunk]

Or maybe he's just one of the first people the Doctor and Ruby managed to save?

[@IceMetalPunk]

@@cyriljackalCavendish Zzzzzzzzzzxxxxyyyyzzzal.

[@markcolgan3262]

Another episode referring a parent: Space babies - call doctor and ruby mummy and daddy Devils cord - Henry call maestro his father Boom - “wheres daddy” 73 yards- ringing constantly on phone and trying to contact mum and says she didn’t meet her birth mum Dot and bubble - “mummy” Still convince Susan twist actress is not playing doctors granddaughter rather she is his daughter

[@sabrinatirabassi3529]

You forgot the "freak weather conditions" mentioned in The Claws of Axos to account for the sudden snowfall after a sunny day on location...

[@-callmecrazy-5859]

Ricky September really confused me as a character. I thought he was so shifty, seeming almost too good to be true but what you said about him being a white version of the doctor that she accepts makes complete sense. And she still betrays him :(

[@IceMetalPunk]

I didn't think he was shifty at all. He was definitely the best of the Finetimers... now, had he met the Doctor in person, he may still have been a bigot like the rest of them. But he's the most likely of them *not* to be.

[@beckywagner6497]

Anyone else think the “man eaters” look like that sculpture thing in Beetlejuice?

[@sabrinatirabassi3529]

Not only blue and orange are contrasting colours. Blue is the most common colour for a blonde person, while orange suits Gatwa's complexion better than any other colour. Both the characters wear the best colour to suit their contrasting skin tones.

[@elektralyte1]

Good breakdown!

[@Reprodestruxion]

Rip William Russell RIP Ricky September

[@norab84]

I'm not sure if i'm remembering this correctly but I'm pretty certain there was a 'dot' on top of Ruby's phone in the alternate future of 73 yards (specifically in the Principality Stadium scene)

[@imaadahere]

Re: gravity...maybe this is a different timeline

[@L0g0Z0g0]

Amazing intent with contrast of her accepting white doctor on contrast with black doctor, if only people were criticizing Ncuti for his skin colour... If he only played the doctor... And if ending had more sense to it, like literally I showed it to my cousin, and even though I have spoiled him the ending earlier he didn't get what it was about because all the "clues" that lead to it rather don't contradict it but can lead to anything

[@IceMetalPunk]

What country are you from? Some of the obviousness comes from cultural context. (Also, people *have been* criticizing Ncuti for his skin color... a lot, sadly...)

[@L0g0Z0g0]

@@IceMetalPunk I've seen critics on him only for him being American instead of British not for his skin, because who cares about skin color if a character is well written. Also I am from Ukraine but mostly look at English content, so I think this should be at least recognizable for me. For example yesterday I came up with two ways to make ending scene so much better 1) instead of making them racist make them realize they were wrong, say sorry to the doctor for wrongly judging him based on his skin but as a redemption rebuild society in the forest instead of easy save with doctor 2) make one actually accept to safe his/her life and have all of them disgusted by him for joining someone like that. But "You are not one of us" can relate to anything, first thought was he is not from their city, not their social class, so it could have been definitely communicated better.

[@law2859]

Enjoyed the episode except that it never explained why these slugs were created to consume people by alphabetical order and it seemed to lack a doctor/companion opening or ending interaction in the tardis to make this episode feel cohesive...

[@IceMetalPunk]

Yes, it was. The Dot system created the slugs to consume people because it hated them, and being forced to watch them be vapid bigots all day every day drove it to resentment. They followed alphabetical order just because the Dots controlling them were going down their internal database of users one-by-one.

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

Remember, the 4th Doctor told Sarah Jane that he helped Newton with "Gravity"... ;-)

[@withersheep9009]

It would be funny if he went back to Newton to correct his mistake

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

@@withersheep9009 I guess that it's left for the 16th Doctor... ;-P

[@JRHainsworth]

8:40 Orphan 55.

[@Corlwow]

9:03 Orphan 55 :( is that why?

[@Michelle-cz3kz]

Penny Pepper-Bean, AKA Mummy, is part of the ongoing Susan Twist mystery. Names are everything in this Whoniverse. Penny is more likely than Lindy to be called Mrs Pepper-Bean. What''s funny about that? It's the name of a vegetable together with a condiment that is often used together with salt. I can't help wondering whether Susan Twist's characters are one character, admitted to the universe through 14's salt error, and trolling us, the Doctor and Ruby through time and space

[@RJSchulen]

In the audio description of the episode, they describe the symbol on the door that they run into as a dangerous symbol.

[@VJacquette]

I know that RTD said it was about racism, but 15 is also the only person over 27, so it could alternatively be interpreted as ageism. This is also the second time we've had someone named Bean recently. One of the things that bugged me about this episode is that they make such a big deal about the people leaving in the boat to make their own new world, as if it's assumed that it will fail and they will die. Yes, they were told "from Day 1" that it's dangerous out there, but w/o further info, how do we know that's true? Maybe all those little racists (ageists?) are just fine out there!

[@IceMetalPunk]

"Voodoo" and "you all look the same" have nothing to do with age.

[@VJacquette]

@@IceMetalPunk I'd forgotten about the voodoo remark, so yes. "You all look the same" could potentially apply to any category of out-group. I know it was about racism; I'm just saying that "othering" is similar regardless of category.

[@panman1964]

You missed the Penny dropped pun when the Doctor and Ruby recognised Susan Twist

[@MirshikarSilivren]

I KNEW I had hard the motif in the end there from somewhere else in who but I couldn't place it outside of knowing it was connected to 11.

[@TheRagekage5000]

Ricky September was very Doctor like and he was also Ginger so is this foreshadowing a future Doctor incarnation??

[@thewiseturtle]

Yeah, while Sean's theory of why Ricky was so Doctor-like makes sense, I was thinking that maybe Ricky is a different time lord, perhaps. (Reflecting some theories out there that maybe the Doctor's granddaughter Susan (maybe Susan Twist, maybe Mrs. Flood, maybe someone else) is out there creating new time lords, possibly using Space Baby technology.)

[@derekhart3308]

Jumbo from the beginning erm not as not mentioned in Unearthly Child the very 1st episode of Doctor Who its NOT ROSE!

[@prime_gamer04]

Rip William Russel (Ian Chesterton) he ensured that we could have the show we have today.

[@jma00a1]

Jimbo..would jim the fish also have a jimbo nickname amoung his fish friends? And btw the flashback to Tom Baker and Elisabeth Sladen made me sad. She was adorable and I miss her 😔😔😔

[@PaulFreeman1]

Has Susan Twist played more characters in DW than anyone else ? Maybe Anthony Ainsley or Roger Dalgardo if you count the Master's disguises

[@christinag.1538]

I still feel that Susan Twist and the constant "Mom hasn't died, she went up the sky" thing are connected .... or at least both will bear a twist we don't see coming!

[@Joemama55122]

RIP William Russell 😢😢😢

If it hasn't changed since I don't own a PS, the triangle button us often used as the cancel one. Maybe that was the point.

[@ericfusco8235]

Did I miss the explanation of how Ricky September knew what was going on? He just showed up with no foreshadowing of why he’d know about the creatures.

[@vanessabrannan4059]

Because he wasn't wearing his bubble, so he saw them himself.

[@gaynarchist]

He didn't know what was going on, he just didn't have his bubble up. They say it in the episode.

[@ericfusco8235]

Ok, I’ll give it closer watch. Thanks

[@francisco_m7849]

10:15, #4: 😮 I am going to chalk this one up to simple error because this was Ncuti’s actual first appearance in production and he could have simply just forgot and no one caught it☺️☺️