Doctor who helped catch Lucy Letby calls for full public inquiry | ITV News

[@escfxp]

Senior Managers should 100% be prosecuted. Don't let them get away with it!

[@rizkhan3368]

agreed 100%

[@studio-flash]

😂 if you think that will happen think again. The worst corporate man slaughtered this Country has ever seen Hillsborough…. Biggest cover up of state, Government, police and media. Nothing happened no one went to jail.. so you’ve got no chance not in this corrupt Country.

[@kashhoeksma2588]

Those so called senior managers must definitely be taken to task cos they enabled Lucy by not listening to doctors that worked on that neo natal unit!!Shame on those senior management!!!

[@kashhoeksma2588]

it's heartwrenching 😢😢What she did to those helpless little babies 😮😮😮

[@madelinesullivan2629]

They are as guilty for not listening to the doctors concern, they are hiding from the truth!

[@Pattiepies55]

Dr. Jayaram deserves a huge apology for the way he was treated. God bless this wonderful Doctor.

[@kimclarke5018]

@@WazHaz-mi4gwnonsense they were both concerned as they started noticing with her being the common denominator in all these coding episodes. And they were being threatened by the hospital and her father that they would make complaints to the medical board. Get your facts straight.

[@hotmess2766]

​@@michaelangel25What's your point? such mundane thinking you possess when there are far more important things to be concerned about!

[@Savvy.Artist]

Don't worry, that reply from @wazhaz has been said under everyone being complimentary to Dr. Ravi. (I think he is desperately trying to argue for the sake of arguing lol) no one can compliment anything anymore .... "I love pancakes '......so why do you hate waffles???" (did under my comment too lol)

[@BeBeXGen]

Dr Breary isn't talking. Dr Jayaram is. They were warned of serious 'consequences' if they went to the police.

[@CATSFOREVER308]

​@@WazHaz-mi4gwYour just rascist cause he is an Indian ,getting some attention,and you don't like it,still stuck in your colonial past eh?

[@xSabinx1]

Wow the Medical Director who retired to France, absolute coward. He and pther managerial staff should face consequences

[@amytiffanyhemingway]

And doctors who are skilled should be paid more than managers who sit in suits having pointless meetings and doing nothing

[@shadowlatifah]

The lord of the worlds has those babies safe and sound, each parent will be guaranteed paradise due to their extreme pain and immense life long suffering. Those parents are peoples of paradise… heart broken here but not forever… whereas those who oppress and kill, well we will see a punishment come down on them unlike anything they have ever seen. I also have lost, and I sit and wait for justice, it is coming…

[@gusgrizzel8397]

@@shadowlatifah Heh.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: Hitler - shifted blame for Nations Failures on Religious Minority If Politicians/Govts - shift blame for Nations Failures on Vulnerable/Migrants Practicing Hitlers Mein Kampf,no?

[@blueanodized]

Consequences? Did you see what just happened recently with 'the pandemic'. Honestly. You people. 😂

[@anoo1243]

I’ve lived in Chester all my life, was born at the Countess and was treated by Dr Jayaram as a child when I had a serious injury. He is a fantastically kind and caring doctor and I can’t begin to fathom the treatment he has received from Letby and Countess executives. To see that someone who personifies all the qualities of a good doctor, has been made to feel helpless and traumatised by a sadistic nurse and selfish hospital execs who only care about protecting themselves, feels so unbelievably unjust. The government owes it to the families of these children, as well as all the staff on the neonatal unit, who spent years being ignored and then threatened by hospital execs, and gaslit and betrayed by Letby, to hold a full statutory public inquiry. Anything less is yet more pain and insult to those who have already been dealt so many blows.

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

Well put! 💙

[@maryj7423]

Absolutely right.

[@gusgrizzel8397]

How could the management ignore what several doctors said to them.

[@ryand141]

We don't need to waste more tax-payers money. We need a complete overhaul of governmental structure which allowed this to happen. And I mean replace every single one with a rep for the people.

[@gusgrizzel8397]

@@ryand141 The government shouldn't be in the healthcare business. They can't even run a proper post office.

[@simonrichards6739]

How humble is that man, he doesn’t want to be a hero, he would rather it never happened and the babies were still alive! That’s the showing of a great doctor!

[@wickedwitchoftheeast88]

Doctors like him are rare I've met some brilliant ones and some cold dismissive ones. My GP is fantastic he's been my doctor for 18 years and he knows me well I can tell him anything and he doesn't bat an eyelid. I collasped once in the surgery and all the alarms went off and the GP's came rushing out and when I came round my GP was the one treating me and he knew I was uncomfortable with everyone making a fuss and staring so he and the others moved me to a consult room for privacy. I've never forgotten that and thankfully I was fine nothing serious. Those hospital managers should face consequences for their behaviour and allowing Lucy Letby the opportunities to kill and hurt more babies!

[@partypatsy1]

I heard he was having an affair with Lucy

[@Alchemist718]

@@partypatsy1keep smoking crack moron

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@partypatsy1 No that was DR A who wished to remain anonymous. Didn't want his wife to find out about his 'friendship' with Lucy.

[@richardmullins44]

"he would rather it never happened". do you mean he was sorry he had to divert the blame to Letby to save his own posterior?

[@PosaPunto]

She is not the only one that needs to be in prison. The board members and anyone who closed their eyes in that hospital too. With a managment like this the patients are still in danger in that hospital.

[@lutherblissett9070]

strip their pensions off them too

[@paulrichards6894]

as they trusted her so much they should chuck them in the same cell as her

[@Anonymous88660]

Agree 😢😢😢

[@maryj7423]

True, great point

[@paulineashcroft1485]

They didn't just "close their eyes", they castigated, humiliated, crucified and silenced the brave whistle blowers who brought the actions of Letby to their notice. Shame on all of them and the NHS culture that allowed this. This has to change and make 'administrators' and ALL NHS employees accountable and sackable without perks, pay offs and pensions.

[@tube20tommy]

I'm an NHS Register Nurse with 49 years unbroken service - Senior NHS Trust managers will do everything possible to prevent or cover up bad publicity even ignore potential patient risk and safety factors if they're able to prevent bad press, it's absolutely correct that when Clinicians make serious errors judgement they are held accountable and may have their registration withdrawn, Yes, it will indeed result in bad publicity but the difference being that the Trust now have their preverbal "Sacrificial Lamb" - NHS Managers aren't registered therefore, apparently not accountable, dismissing an NHS manager is a complex and long drawn out process in addition dismissing a manager will result in bad publicity, the very thing which managers strive to avoid, the manager whom commits a similar serious error of judgement such as ignoring a whistle blower will often be "moved sideways" to another department within the Trust organisation - thats exactly how your kind, caring and all encompassing NHS Service operates!

[@janetward2456]

This is happening in education as well. I got out because when I reported poor practice and really bad management I was made to feel like an irritant and nothing was done.

[@joycewright5386]

I worked in a small hospital in the USA for 40 years and it was always political. Mistakes were always covered up or not reported at all especially if a senior level doctor was at fault.

[@skontheroad]

​@@janetward2456When you reported a serial killer...??? Was it just the same???

[@skontheroad]

​@@joycewright5386Mistakes like baby killers? Even in your small hospital, in the US?? They were covering it up, were they??

[@elizabethannegrey6285]

Move sideways .... same principle as the Vatican! What a disgraceful sham, covering their backsides while abuse continues.

[@alastairjhunter3666]

These problems go back to the 80’s-90’s when the government decided to appoint “professional” managers instead of promoting doctors into these positions

[@sri78hari]

That's the problem in every trade. You have MBAs directly launched as managers.

[@omarmirza5676]

Spot on.

[@rumelahmed4539]

Ummmm... medical professionals are just as bad, imagibe Lucy Letby or Harold Shipman as a NHS director!!!!

[@seythis]

so going by your logic, we should get rid of all doctors and nurses at every hospital because they might become a murderer? 🤣

[@rumelahmed4539]

@seythis no, just saying they shouldn't be running hospitals just because they're doctors/medical professionals, as the OP suggested.

[@julianosimioni]

Dr Ravi Jayaram was my pediatrician when I was growing up. Knowing that he is genuinely one of the loveliest kindest people on the planet makes this even more heartbreaking. Makes me want to cry seeing him put into such a horrific situation. Being such a genuinely good man, in a way im glad he was there, so that he could help to stop it. This guy inspired me to want to be a doctor when i was a teenager (i didnt go through with it though because im a bit dumb). My heart goes out to all the victims' families and all the staff who fought to out and end to this horror.

[@juliet7703]

Never say you are dumb

[@louiserussell8267]

It might be a horror, but it would be an even worse horror if the wrong person has been imprisoned for life. This does need to be examined because we have not even heard her side of the story. We have not heard a proper defence. I can imagine that when she first heard she was being targeted and accused, she wanted to check through all the records to find out the truth, and I bet that is what she was trying to do, but the facts were twisted. Her voice was not heard or listened to. We have not been given the full story because there are issues with the feeding system, plumbing etc, that would have implicated the hospital management, not Lucy Letby, and so my guess is that this is a huge attempt at covering up. Don't you dare call yourself "dumb" because in judging yourself that way, you are bound to judge others also. So, pack that in.

[@christopherlloyd98]

@@louiserussell8267 Lucy had a travesty of a “trial”….. Anonymous witnesses, prevention of Defence witnesses testifying….awful, shambolic.

[@I_am_a_starfish]

⁠@@louiserussell8267when babies starting dying, that’s what they first looked into. But that wasn’t the case. The hospital itself chalked it up to that and kept it there cuz they wanted a shiny reputation. Also the times babies died coincided w Lucy, like when they changed her to the day shift, the babies starting having troubles in the day. They exhausted every avenue. And the deaths had to have some tampering. Like one babies insulin being high and the cpeptide levels not matching it. That is naturally impossible. And she knew. The hospital let her know and she even wrote a letter to the consultants. Also, deceased nicu baby papers were found under her bed. Killer or not, THATS illegal. And w what she wrote in her diary? That’s a guilty conscious

[@DanAxl-x9d]

​@@I_am_a_starfish she was told by her councellor to write down her thoughts after being accused

[@katuk8173]

Dr Ravi is genuinely lovely. He really cares about his patients and their families. He looks like this terrible ordeal has aged him. I hope can heal from all this

[@bikinibabes666]

Yes, I hope you manage to Dr Rav.....

[@ruthbashford3176]

You believe his story, you should research this case to learn about the FACTS.

[@richardmullins44]

@@ruthbashford3176 thank you ruth bashford.

[@bevbeans3166]

@@ruthbashford3176 he's fake as hell and a proven liar

[@dadys31]

All management in that hospital should be hold accountable and punishment should be applied,this could've been avoided if the management would've done their work diligently and not closing their eyes and ears when others raised the alarm!!!

[@nimalsamarasinghe-s6o]

Very true, poor management let her do it again and again

[@Kx0195]

They didn't close their ears. They listened and actively punished the doctors instead.

[@wickedwitchoftheeast88]

Those managers should done for corporate manslaughter but that won't happen they all got pensioned off or moved elsewhere

[@blueanodized]

Just like the recent griftdemic. Dont hold your breath... theres massive profits to be made.

[@StellavonThun]

Indeed why did they close their eyes to the red flags!

[@Blondiee777]

Dr Ravi is a true hero!! But my god you can see the trauma in his eyes.

[@sabrinaandhusband7791]

Cause he said previously that he saw her once standing by one of the babies while oxygen was dropping, he rescued that baby at the right time, and regardless of him reporting that, he was forced to be silent about it and to apologize to her. I guess he's been left feeling like he wish he could've done more at the time.

[@omarmirza5676]

He looks distraught ☹️

[@steveshapiro326]

This is a horrific case. Vulnerable patients are at risk: from newborns to the frail elderly in nursing homes (a place I never want to be).

[@Essemm52]

I was really touched by the depth of Dr Ravi’s concern, and reassured that there are still brave people out there who care enough to put themselves on the line for us! Yes, hero for sure! I think it’s safe to say that this good Doctor has the support of every parent and every patient! We applauded you!

[@amytiffanyhemingway]

I feel sad for him he's clearly partly blaming himself and traumatised and always will be

[@cynthiajohnson5081]

Bring all of these managers to justice, they need to be in prison each and every one of them.

[@amytiffanyhemingway]

Wheres their remorse or apology? Or trying to fix it?

[@explorer0213]

​@@amytiffanyhemingway they can never fix it the damage has been done.

[@elliec7677]

The NHS needs more doctors like this! What a good man. He did his job over and above and got told to shut up... there needs to be accountability.

[@TarotPolitics]

Dr. Ravi actually cares about the tiny babies. He is passionate about caring for kids. It’s unconscionable that the sick monster was able to keep harming tiny children because SHE needs special care and they don’t!!!! The depth of evil is … we don’t even know.

[@rosieravenclaw1521]

As a registered professional, I completely agree with what this doctor is saying ! If I as a registered professional was to do something wrong I would be expected to face the consequences , so why should a manager or senior person under no professional body not face any consequences! Something needs to change .

[@kamus2478]

They are petty bureaucrats , not " professionals " .

[@7577ia]

They know they can't be caught and neither have to be answerable in court like the doctors or nurses and they pressurise these professionals to get the outcomes they want ...

[@adebisiadeyemi8950]

because they are not in direct contact with patients and have not sworn any oath to do no harm, they feel they should be exempted....They all have business and management degrees, so who do you report them to? Many who prove to be sanctimonious are often very bad and dark at heart... God dey!

[@7577ia]

@@adebisiadeyemi8950 there should still be some disciplinary procedure for them , anyone who is involved in service in a hospital setting has a duty of care in one way or the other ...

[@rubenjanssen8491]

is there not somthing like a profressional bureacrats? @@kamus2478

[@SparkleLuna77]

This doctor is amazing and I’m disgusted that he wasn’t listened to.

[@SW-pp1qh]

Might be he is not White if a White doctor said they might have listened the members of the board are not matured enough to understand or realise the facts and recognise the reality

[@LB-wn6ur]

He is a good man, I hope he has a nice retirement saved and is getting paid for these interviews because he isn’t going to be a doctor much longer sadly…..if he hasn’t already “retired”….they may leave it a while but he will be forced out eventually. He is better off starting his own private practice maybe

[@roryteal5940]

Were you disgusted when good doctors and nurses spoke up about the potential harm of the c19 jabs and the mandates? Maybe Nurse Lucy is NOT guilty.

[@LB-wn6ur]

@@roryteal5940 I know all about c19 Bs scumbags but hey ho sheep world…but let’s not chat ish, she is doing life for a reason same thing “The angel of death” did she killed innocent babies some of which had illnesses that weren’t serious and would have gone home until she did what she did, there were crushing injuries on one of them….you can believe that c19 is Bs and used by elites on the sheeple population but you can’t believe there are evil pieces of 💩 like her?

[@dashuntas.m4045]

@@roryteal5940man shut up 😂

[@FredaFlynn2008]

There needs to be a completely confidential and independent body for NHS staff to report any suspicions they may have about colleagues or management. It’s absolutely ridiculous to leave the onus in the hands of trust bosses who will try to cover up misdemeanours in order to protect their hospital and this case shows that in every way. Not only did the ceo not want to do anything but neither did senior nursing management. Personally all the management involved in denying they may have a killer on the neonatal unit have blood on their hands and should be held accountable, publicly named and also forfeit their massive pensions that the taxpayer pays for. They helped a killer and therefore they are guilty too.

[@moneytttt1140]

They would be overwhelmed with 98% of false information or salty people

[@saphire7693]

Independent bodies that do exist in many organisation's are also equally useless

[@Shawtymamma9015]

Agree. The trust bosses should be criminally liable for hiding evidence & consultants were told to write misleading cause of death & not the actual cause & their pensions in millions should handed to those bereaved parents who babies were murdered & attempted to murder - the whole process by the NHS hiding the truth was disgusting for over 2 years

[@Seabird41]

@FredaFlynn2008 Well said!

[@Seabird41]

@@moneytttt1140 I don't think doctors routinely accuse their colleagues of premeditated murder. It's real life, not a movie.

[@ahill4642]

Dr. Jayaram, thank you. As a mom from across the pond in Canada I thank you for being the kind of man who stands up for what’s right. You say that’s “all” you were doing, but to parents and our vulnerable babies that is everything. It’s a “David and Goliath” situation you’re in and man if you could use our appreciation to fuel your super power, Goliath would have a behemoth on his hands. ☺️ So much love and gratitude to you, and so much respect, Sir.

[@02infinity]

Ppppppp00p0000ppppp

[@raphaellavictoria01]

I'm an MD in Canada, and it is THE SAME here: absolutely no accountability for the executives/management. They have no incentive to have things work properly, even: no matter what goes wrong, it is never their fault, at best they will order an external review and that review will never investigate them. Many of the senior management know each other personally, across Canada. Basically, the system is as follows: the senior management is INVULNERABLE. Someone will be the scapegoat, a small time manager perhaps, but those in actual power are accountable to NO ONE, and they know it.

[@paulmahy]

go back across, we don't suckers like you over here, `lucy is innocent and it will soon be proven so do us all a favour, pack up and f*** off.

[@michaelholt7994]

He lied in court ,this was an outrageous and egregious prosecution,the CPS and high court must be brought to task over this.appalling judicial wrongdoing.

[@Truthequation]

Wasn’t he the same doctor that LLetby complained about for bullying and who lost the grievance and was forced to write an apology to Letby?

[@HENNAtabasun1990]

Yes

[@Blacksquareable]

Yes. Narcissistic injury?

[@saphire7693]

The helplessness the management made him feel is real torture.

[@John-p7i5g]

That's why he went to the police, with management blessing

[@RoseEastyy1]

All these people need to be held accountable and face prison time. Its not like someone was in charge of a shop they where in charge of babies lives and if there was any suspicion they should be put on temporary leave until it is made sure she's not a danger

[@saffrondominic4585]

Absolutely! 03:51 "Is priority speed??" Young precious life was taken away in the most cruellest way, and yet those who had the authority failed miserably to safe guard the innocent vulnerable babies. I have a family member who was born premature (28 weeks) 1.43kg and it was the doctors and the nurses at the Neonatal Care who fought for his life day and night - now the baby has grown up healthy and he's 24 years old Senior Podiatrist working for NHS Trust in London. His Mum always reminded him of that, and that's the reason he went back to serve for NHS. Lucy Letby does not represent NHS, she belongs to a 'psychopath club'.

[@jen4um]

She’s more of a sadist than a psychopath as one psychiatric professional stated.

[@TheFreemanuk]

You dont need authority to go to the police. He did not.

[@annaclaire9927]

Managers must be made accountable for this horrendous case . They were told of concerns months earlier.

[@annamarielea-kp4kk]

Exactly.

[@annamarielea-kp4kk]

My husband was overdosed by agency nurse. He died only good blood sugar in Macclesfield general

[@barryshimmon1129]

Lucy may not be actually guilty in which case she was entitled not to hear her sentencing, If I was found guilty of a serious crime and I wasn't guilty then I wouldn't attend either. Miscarriages of justice do happen.

[@catherineainsworth8972]

The pain in Dr Ravi’s face is absolutely heart breaking

[@Veronica-bc6pp]

You can see it clearly

[@TheFreemanuk]

This accomplice should have gone to the police.

[@grasshopperye3593]

@@TheFreemanuk I'm willing to bet my house that you haven't done a fraction of the good he has in his life, even before this debacle. Keep insisting to us the right way this difficult situation should've been handled tho. Seven doctors did try their best, but I'm sure you would've done better.

[@sanskaroflife1292]

Bless you Dr Ravi for doing the right thing.

[@oldboyengineer9794]

why didnt he call the police?

[@selvamani1973-p7b]

@@oldboyengineer9794 it's goes against his job

[@oldboyengineer9794]

He knew she was murdering children but didnt call the police. The guy is cupable in my book. @@selvamani1973-p7b

[@HGG381]

He could do this anonymously...

[@CraigTheBrute-yf7no]

@@oldboyengineer9794he & his colleague Dr Brearly explicitly asked the CEO whether the Trust should call the police. They were told “all emails cease forthwith”.

[@PASKEN458]

This is the result of removing any proper hierarchy from the workplace. If a qualified and experienced Doctor says an inexperienced nurse needs supervising then this should have immediately been the case. Shame on the Managers for this.

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

Makes my blood boil! at the thought of their lazy incompetence and arrogance.

[@MsJubjubbird]

unfortunately there are quite a few reports of doctors with a god complex who bully nurses, hospital staff and junior doctors and abuse this sort of hierarchy. Not excusing the hospital, but I imagine, given the time in which this occurred, they were concerned that this was yet another case

[@natalievitale1371]

Exactly

[@ruthbashford3176]

Paul should have asked Dr Ravi Jayaram if he would have gone to the police if Lucy had not filed a complaint against him for bullying? It must have been galling for him and the other consultants, Brearey, Gibbs, Dr B? to be forced to apologise to a mere nurse they had all bullied.

[@squigglesquaggle6553]

This hasn’t aged well

[@melgrant7404]

It has imo.

[@John-p7i5g]

No indeed lol

[@suzzannejones4493]

She shouldn't have the right to not attend court sentence. She lost her right when she took a life of a baby. What is wrong with our prosecution system, bring her to court and let her sit in front of these people to face her crimes. Those families have been damaged beyond words . No sticky plaster will ever heal their wounds. Wake up Britain and step up to protect the innocent lives not the criminal this is so wrong

[@karhukivi]

She pleaded "not guilty" - suppose you were in fact innocent but found guilty, would you want to be called the "angel of death" and face the angry and vindictive parents if you knew you hadn't done anything? If she is so evil and crazy, why was she not committed to a mental institution? Harold Shipman had a motive - he changed his victim's wills in his favour, but what motive did Letby have? Google on the very similar nurse Lucia de Berk case. She was found guilty and jailed for life but 6 years later, new evidence came to light and she was declared innocent and freed.

[@ChiquitaMia-ci2vg]

If that would have been in the US should would have been dragged out in shackles and chained to the table.

[@yiman7370]

Well you're media called her angelical 🤡🤣

[@ChiquitaMia-ci2vg]

@@yiman7370 well the media is not the judge.

[@KentReynolds]

I am not convinced she is guilty. The more I look into it the more unsafe this conviction is.

[@lizroberts1569]

NHS trusts and staff should not be allowed to investigate themselves or their staff, because it will never be done properly.

[@moons4363]

Exactly, naturally people will be very bias with people they work with or are familiar with

[@chungusfootfungus]

"We investigated ourselves and found that nothing was wrong"

[@catam9308]

Exactly. My mother was literally bullied why dying of cancer. The independent NHS worker at the same hospital found nothing wrong 😮 Told me our best option was to move my near death mother to another hospital

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

Same as LP in the Nicola Bulley case! Investigated their own incompetence and failings. Should not be allowed! This country is an absolute joke.

[@ryand141]

Investigate? What? Nobody does that properly anymore. And sentencing? Well, just look at the Harry Dunn ruling. Seriously, you would need a private investigator.

[@F1Samantha]

Well done Dr RJ for speaking up and holding the bosses accountable for their actions, despite the raw nature of this situation. Must be so difficult for you, but you've done the right thing

[@John-p7i5g]

Done a brilliant acting job for the camera. The melodrama was top notch

[@simplytee9643]

If they honestly got this wrong they have so much to answer to..

[@francishooper9548]

They got it wrong but not honestly.

[@Not_a_number_]

When he choked up a little, I was struggling! What he's been through is bad, the action required of him, with no support from upper management, is ridiculous. I hope his example and his push for change will not just fade into the background. If I ever have a child, I hope to find a doctor like this looking after me. ❤

[@John-p7i5g]

I hope you're still following this case

[@angierucinski5694]

They did but unfortunately the "Executive Officers" (who are not NHS staff and btw are paid more than the Prime Minister)were so more interested in "Trust Values" and have had no responsibility. Most of them have either retired on a gold-plated pension or been moved across to another Trust to spout on about"Trust Values" to another potential Murderer.. Every single one of them should be held as accountable and brought to trial for Criminal Negligence.

[@lizroberts1569]

Many Chief Execs are ex civil servants who move from one Trust to the next causing chaos wherever they go. The whole system needs an overhaul.

[@mystrength5640]

Doctor, you were Brave, Bless you.. Keep on being A true hero!!

[@TheFreemanuk]

He hid the entire episode by not going to police.

[@paulmahy]

people like you make me sick

[@poonamshah6507]

Thank you for standing up to the Trust Managers and Leadership Team 🙏🏽

[@apebass2215]

​@@WazHaz-mi4gwwho went to the police then? Not sure what you're trying to achieve by lying.

[@TheFreemanuk]

He hid the entire episode by not going to police.

[@nigelevans9943]

i having worked for many years as a senior nurse at this trust i am finding this a very difficult case and verdict,i am welcoming a full judicial review of this case.

[@teainortakoy]

yes, the interview about Lucy with barrister Mark McDonald who has worked on similar cases was an eye opener.

[@philipholding]

...and verdict???

[@vickyvictoriawilliams3254]

4.15 seconds in, pauses and pretends to cry while he tries to remember the interviewers name. Knows the enormity of the question and is stalling.

[@Blacksquareable]

Got it in one!

[@richardmullins44]

thank you, vicky victoria williams. wow. I did not pick that up - the interviewer says "the enormity of the part you play in this". Merriam Webster gives a dictionary definition whichsays "The meaning of enormity is outrageous, improper, vicious, or immoral". Oxford says enormity measn "the great or extreme scale, seriousness, or extent of something perceived as bad or morally wrong". did the interviewer mispeak (quite possibly - maybe even most likely). or is this revealing what the interviewer thinks about the case or is it a Freudian slip revealing a hidden thought that the interviewer is not aware of.

[@Blacksquareable]

@@richardmullins44 Gosh! Well done for picking up and commenting on this. And I do wonder what the interviewer was thinking but not saying. I wonder if anyone has been bragging now that Lucy has been sent down. This would certainly give me the "I had something to do with this" vibes.

[@vickyvictoriawilliams3254]

@richardmullins44 It is very possible that the interviewer has asked the question purposefully, knowing they could be questioning the perpetrator. He is extremely questionable and has motivation for creating this dialogue. Very driven by being in the spotlights. A natural deflective personality. Possible narcissistic Manager at play. The motivation serves an outcome. The spotlight/ fame, being a hero and protecting his reputation.

[@anadossantos-jarvis9412]

Many NHS managers think they are untouchable. They usually get moved on to other positions without any accountability. Favouritism, deceitfulness and outright bullying are common place in the NHS.

[@reisschancellor9753]

Dr RJ needs a pay raise and promotion.

[@caramelbilquees]

He should of gone to the police and forgot about his job but instead he put his job first fearing being fired if he got the police involved to the hospital

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

​@@caramelbilqueesyou have no idea what happened.

[@naheed03]

​@@caramelbilqueespiss off like you would he did all he reasonably could. People have bills to pay

[@ainisepalu8427]

Really disgusting that he is being blamed for not speaking up loudly enough. All of those Managers need to be named, shamed and held accountable. He had his job and reputation threatened and he needed to speak loudly! He's the expert and should have been listened to!.

[@Seabird41]

​@Monk-Ehe was accused by the managers and staff nurses of not being vocal enough. Also his colleague - another senior paediatrician. And the other duty nurses. He was made to apologise to an opportunist, extremely narcissistic killer who complained that she was being scapegoated for failures in treatment. The management decided that Letby was one of them, in her character, and went along with it.

[@ainisepalu8427]

@@Seabird41 Best comment ever! Could not have articulated it better myself.

[@TheFreemanuk]

When babies are piling high you GO TO THE POLICE.

[@paulthomas963]

According to him, he witnessed an attempted murder and knew she was s murderer but said nothing for 13 months, despite the managers asking for his evidence. When he suddenly remembered the event he claimed was seared into his memory forever, they went straight to the police. The timeline doesn't add up. Do people seriously believe the senior (male) DOCTORS were terrified "battered wives" and being bullied by nurses and not the other way around? Especially when 1 of those nurses won a grievance investigation by an independent body? It strains credulity as they say.

[@davidgriffiths2842]

Dr Alison Timmis, a paediatrician, emailed Tony Chambers, the hospital’s chief executive, in December 2015, reporting that staff were in tears because they were being forced to look after more babies than the unit could safely accommodate. In her note, copied in to other senior managers, she told him: “Over the past few weeks I have seen several medical and nursing colleagues in tears . . . they get upset as they know that the care they are providing falls below their high standards.” Staff at the Countess of Chester Hospital were “chronically overworked” and she felt “no one is listening”. “This is not an exceptionally busy week,” she wrote. “This is now our normal working pattern and it is not safe. Things are stretched thinner and thinner and are at breaking point. When things snap, the casualties will either be children’s lives or the mental and physical health of our staff.”

[@georgie2713]

As an NHS worker i find it so upsetting that’s it’s taken something as disturbing as this for the lack of support and the bullying directed towards whistleblowers to finally be acknowledged. I’ve worked in many different NHS Trusts and every year we have the same staff surveys with the biggest complaint being that concerns simply aren’t listened to or are brushed under the carpet. I think most NHS staff, especially clinical, could expose a lot of malpractice that simply wasn’t taken seriously. The whole safeguarding system needs to be changed, it should be impartial and unbiased and include outside experts.

[@paulthomas963]

Who was the whistleblower, Lucy or the consultants?

[@ektasharma933]

Dr Ravi is a hero, you can see the pain through and through.

[@CM-jn3wp]

And they made him and others apologize. Unbelievable.

[@bikinibabes666]

He certainly is.....He's marvellous.....So good-looking too.

[@TheFreemanuk]

He did not go to the police.

[@John-p7i5g]

He's remembering the fear he felt when it looked like Letby and the management might get him and Brearly sacked during the grievance. Great acting technique

[@rol8955]

Those retired NHS management should have their pension stalled. Just because they have retired doesn't mean they can't be prosecuted. The families should take a civil case and sue them to hell.

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

Pensions taken away! Full stop.

[@ryand141]

Absolutely. Derelict of duty at the very least. Take their pension. They failed woefully in their duty of care.

[@BeautyByAlima]

Dr Ravi deserves an award for coming out and saying what he saw unfortunately no one listened to him! God bless him !

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

Absolutely agree!

[@Mathilda5xp]

AMEN!

[@TheFreemanuk]

He hid the entire episode by not going to police.

[@brianmacnamara9445]

As a person who wishes to have faith in our criminal justice systems I am extremely concerned with the total lack of real evidence used in the conviction of Lucy Letby,.

[@theyatter]

What does "virtually red-handed" mean?

[@RUBBER_BULLET]

Almost certainly.

[@John-p7i5g]

Virtual - in his imagination

[@paulthomas963]

It's when you see someone doing nothing (and actually ID the wrong nurse), get all the details wrong, and never mention it to anyone for 13 months despite being asked for evidence the nurse is harming babies.

[@beatpirate8]

as a fellow nurse im appalled and horrified that the staff couldnt do anything and the management didnt intervene. instead they didnt want to be sued. they rather put her in a bigger pediatric facility and move her to a bigger position. to appease her. dont be afraid! tell the truth! uphold honor in our profession . uphold due diligence to do no harm. yes please re-evaluate medical people.

[@TheFreemanuk]

As a decent normal humal human being, YOU GO TO THE POLICE.

[@noelasandstrom9761]

Yes, hope the parents sue the hospital for billions as a deterrent to other hospitals who may want children to die rather than get off their backsides and actually do something!!

[@MrDoysh121]

You are a hero. You can see the compassion from the outset. Top man. Such a shame with the whole situation.

[@AmandaBurgess-hd6mb]

I totally admire theses doctors especially Dr Ravi, sense of frustration is all to obvious. You can see how emotional he becomes when asked if he thinks that he is a hero. As a retired nurse/midwife all I can say to this group of doctors is thank you for not giving up and I am horrified that you were not listened to, and I'm sure that the majority of people in this country think the same.

[@KaleemAkbar786]

Lucy Letby Will Rot In Jail

[@catam9308]

I had awful experiences with a doctor when my mum was dying. I complained and complained about how my mother was being treated. The supposed complaints went to an 'impartial' person working at the same hospital. They basically said, move your dying mother to another hospital if your unhappy. They couldnt find anything wrong with their awful behaviour 🙄 No where nearly the level of Lucy Letby but from personal experience, they seem to care very little about the actual behaviour of staff.

[@debramckay4611]

He didn't help catch her, he helped set her up as we now know.

[@avatarkana1161]

It’s called the devil. Some people are just evil.

[@AR_112]

Her evil was like that of a demonic child. She hadn’t properly grown up. She was effectively a little child inside who didn’t like the attention the other babies received. She felt threatened by them, almost as if they were competition. Her parents spoiled her no end. She was an only child. She also had a difficult birth apparently. So there may have been some resentment there. If I had a difficult birth then so will you sorta thing. Lucy to me looks like some stunted/arrested development.

[@hotmess2766]

​@@AR_112Stop making excuse for her. Regardless of anything she is evil & demonic!!!

[@21Dazzler]

The Devil isn't real. Stop looking for excuses for the flaws in humanity.

[@Infinitystar225]

There's no supernatural force that drives people to such horrors, stop making excuses for them.

[@protectwhatisours6895]

⁠​⁠@@21Dazzlerthe devil is real. It’s not a supernatural entity, rather the nature of evil people. No excuses needed.

[@Trund27]

This doctor is a superhero.

[@kavashaman496]

@@WazHaz-mi4gwno it was him 😅

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

​@@WazHaz-mi4gwGive it a rest! 😠

[@naheed03]

​@@WazHaz-mi4gwshut it karen

[@TheFreemanuk]

He hid the entire episode by not going to police.

[@leelogs1]

Managers in the medical establishment are usually wrong but never apologise.

[@susangloag4401]

If you are suspicious of someone killing anyone & you're a,doctor or nurse. Go to the police straight away...not you're bosses.

[@paulthomas963]

I can't believe people seriously accept this man's story that he witnessed attempted murder and didn't say anything for 13 months, even though the managers kept asking what evidence the consultants had and got no answers.

[@louiserussell8267]

She denies she did any harm to the babies, so that is why she did not appear. She needs a re-trial because there are more questions to be asked.

[@pashtunchannel1038]

Bless this doctor, just had a horrible experience with nurses at a hospital in West Midlands right now myself, these nurses ain’t the same as before it’s just disgusting the attitude and power trips etc

[@TheFreemanuk]

He hid the entire episode by not going to police.

[@joolz1063]

I'm sick of sobbing ... Country needs FIXING

[@marias6583]

Turn back to God, that’s the answer. 2 Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

[@tazzy4624]

England needs to stop giving leeway based on someone's skin colour they purposely ignored miss demanors because shes WHITE smh 🤢 and the professional that exposed is brown. Disgusting anyone that looks like her should be heavily vetted twice as much.

[@wilson0213]

Now isn't the time for your ancient fairy tales@@marias6583

[@John-p7i5g]

@@marias6583 Very nice beautiful passage

[@kathri1006]

Unless the management is criminally held accountable, this will happen again. If they know they will be held accountable only , without hidingbehind tax payer funded NHS lawyers, they will act in the future without delay. Without this fear at heart no real change will happen. Pl bring cooperate manslaughter charges, against them.

[@My2psworth]

This guy, saying that they couldn't have been louder, still felt it ok to write an apology letter to LL just because he was told to. I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. And now he's accepting the "Hero" title? What a fraud

[@エメットロバート]

He has a lot to answer to come up with..once the inquiry starts...I am utterly convinced he is instrumental in pointing the finger at Lucy...when perhaps fingers should have been pointed at other mitigating circumstances better serving the truth.

[@Blacksquareable]

Agree. And he is utterly creepy.

[@SageRobinTalks]

A baby killer in prison won't last

[@John-p7i5g]

If so, then Lucy isn't a baby killer. Prisoners have 6th sense. They know she's innocent.

[@Heligany]

Yes the hospital administrators acted as if they were responsible for solving the crime rather than being concerned enough to start a process of an in depth investigation

[@spongebobby188]

Public inquiry?! Just how many public inquiries have come and gone and nothing really improves?! Just jail all who were negligent...now! 💯 From the senior management down to the cleaners...cut the rot and make them pay!

[@sarahhamilton347]

She was the one who initially drew attention to the increase in fatalities on the ward, how dare she report this to the hospital managers, so let’s blame her. It’s as clear as the nose on your face, this girl is innocent, and it will come to light, and Dr Jayaram was one of them.

[@scottmorley7738]

Luckily 2 Jury's and the appeals court disagree with your beliefs. And let's not forget Dr Jayaram caught her red handed not attempting to help one of her victims.

[@John-p7i5g]

@@scottmorley7738 Not attempting to help is standard operating procedure in nursing practice. 1. observe, do nothing. It's based on the Hippocratic oath. How RJ construed this as 'just standing over the cot' demonstrates that he doesn't understand this principle.

[@saraswatkin9226]

Why is this doctor allowed to talk to the media if an inquiry is being arranged!

[@bitter-sweet-lemonade]

I'm interested to know why none of the doctors called for autopsies on any of the babies? Why were the deaths of 5 of the babies officially recorded as due to 'natural causes'. Why weren't autopsies performed on the 2 babies whose cause of death was officially deemed as 'undetermined'?

[@John-p7i5g]

Because Lucy had to be made a murderer after her parents asked Tony Chambers to sack those two. It was either them or her.

[@veroniquesteeno3960]

I never believe that she killed those children.

[@nectanbo]

As someone has worked in the NHS, (albeit for a shorter time period than the Doctor in the video) I have had managers that are brilliant but have also had managers that are abusive, negligent and harmful to the patients and staff that they are supposed to support. More robust procedures are absolutely necessary so that these individuals don't act like this with impunity.

[@andrewjohnston4076]

I've worked in nursing since the 90s, I'm yet to find a single manager in all that time who would or even could admit to getting thing's wrong

[@francishooper9548]

The manager was right - this doctor lied.

[@asaeed6153]

I was bullied after giving birth at St Mary’s Manchester,,my baby started choking the night I gave birth and despite the fact I pressed the bell many times for midwives to come and inspect,nobody appeared and I had to deal with the situation myself,those few seconds felt like ages and finally when I got out to see where all the staff has gone,they were partying in a room and when I went in there to tell them what happened,,they started pushing and shoving me…I never complained because I knew nothing will happen,,

[@AT-kx6fj]

Dr. Jayaram has his moment of Fame, he has been waiting for a long time!!!

[@neilaspin008]

This chap will end up eating his words.

[@melgrant7404]

Nope.

[@John-p7i5g]

I give the cover-up 2 more years

[@leegacy3099]

Management in British organizations is becoming mirror images of American culture. Those responsible should be sued for damages until they are moved to live in the streets.

[@paulthomas963]

This would not happen in America. Neither would Letby being convicted. Go blame someone else for your problems.

[@soneelita]

But she was arrested and charged on circumstantial evidence.

[@sharonmccarthy586]

What an incredible human being that Doctor is. We need a lot more people like him in positions of influence in society.

[@Noone-th7sn]

Sadly racism put him down

[@TheFreemanuk]

No we need intelligent people who GO TO THE POLICE.

[@John-p7i5g]

@@Noone-th7sn Quite possibly reverse racism pushed the police into action on a case for which there was no evidence

[@John-p7i5g]

Good god let's hope not

[@notrealatall196]

U can see from the doctors reaction that over all these years he was either held responsible for these days or thought of himself to be responsible. U can see that he probably lived in pain and even guilt over how these lives were lost despite his and his good colleague's efforts . The pain inthe expression at the end was so genuine... even i couldnt help tearing up

[@craigshackleton1652]

Isn't it your responsibility to report a crime to the police if you think it has taken place?

[@John-p7i5g]

Only when a nurse threatens to get you reported to the GMC yes. It's all about the timing you see

[@Khumi_Asante]

Dr Ravi ,🙏🏻Thank you

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

​@@WazHaz-mi4gwGive it a rest!

[@MsColl90]

Shocking nonsense. She is innocent and it is the consultants who should be on trial for negligence.

[@mattieharris3747]

Chester NHS chiefs should also be held accountable as well

[@mariamawits3689]

Thank you for your courage Dr. Ravi and colleagues. Those in management must be held accountable. Horrible, terrible job they've done 😢😢😢😢 my heart goes out to the victims and families 💔💔💔💔💔

[@TheFreemanuk]

He hid the entire episode by not going to police.

[@deedee7733]

Where was Dr Ravi in 2015, when there were chronic shortages of doctors on the neonatal ward at CoCH? Making television appearances and giving talks about his series "Born Naughty" which was broadcast that year.

[@chorleycc]

Correct me if I am wrong however .... Imagine you were 99% confident one of your colleagues at work was a mass murderer. Would you tell your boss about your concerns and ask them to deal with it or would you ring the police directly. If you told your boss and after months nothing was done would you then decide to take matters into your own hands and call the police. This is a well paid, intelligent, capable person. I don't think the excuse of "I told my manager about my concerns" is really good enough.

[@anjajaan1335]

Babies died, harm was being done all around you, nobody listened to your concerns. Why didn't you call CPS, why didn't you call the police when you first suspected unusual deaths and harm? Advocate for your loved one's when they are in hospital, be watchful and speak up when you suspect something is wrong. Be loud with your concerns, ask questions and try not to leave them alone especially when they are young and old. Don't be afraid to call the police if you suspect abuse..

[@ruthbashford3176]

Jayaram and the other consultants are heading for an almighty fall when reporting restrictions are lifted.

[@melgrant7404]

Nope.

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@melgrant7404 What a difference a year makes! The consultants had plenty to say then but now they're silent except Evans who has been told to shut up by Cheshire police. Since reporting restrictions have been lifted the prosecution case has fallen apart!

[@melgrant7404]

@@ruthbashford3176 they said all they needed to say .

[@queenofhearts9186]

Managers must be doctors/consultants. I hope all of this changes. Confidential reporting to external bodies when concerns rise about colleagues. Death penalty needs to come back. Mandatory attendance in court for criminals.

[@Raindrops4eva]

Keep talking doctor ❤

[@ChristopherGrahamCS]

They should have the courage to say she took "at least 7 lives" she was there for at least 13 deaths. It is very likely she caused ALL of them and perhaps more.

[@angelfiremimosa]

Project hummingbird.. might find more

[@John-p7i5g]

Even the ones when she wasn't there at the time, like Baby C

[@jayrod105jm]

This man makes my skin crawl. More will come out about this in the future and I am not entirely convinced he is who he tries to portray.

[@John-p7i5g]

Spot on.

[@vickyvictoriawilliams3254]

I remember watching this at the time and feeling creepy about it because I followed the trial day to day and was not convinced on the evidence and thought it could be someone more senior- that being said in reflection it's more than likely system failings and poor environmental factors but this interview is very telling. He is convinced it's her. Who makes him God and is he, was he the main driving force? His eyes are wonky and he has a bit of a snarl .. let's say it's him.

[@Blacksquareable]

Mm wonder who is really hiding in plain sight here. He is very strange. But they managed to take down Huw even if he didn't get a prison sentence so it's possible this guy could end up on the stand, too. Let's hope so.

[@paulthomas963]

He's absolutely lying about Baby K. If he saw or remembered that he would have told Rees right away so they could get rid of LL instead of refusing to hand over any evidence. The moment he DID tell her (13 months later), she called the police. Now we know the swipe data is backward and he saw Caroline Oakley. LL was still convicted.

[@anthonycheetham9546]

I watched Dr Jayaram on the ITV news last night & I was in tears that he said he was unable to save all of those babies, when he was asked if he was a hero. yes he was because even thro he was unable to safe all of those babies he was able to bring justice for them & the babies families..

[@John-p7i5g]

He missed his calling in Hollywood. Superb actor. What a waste of all that talent

[@wylser]

The garbage hospital management should apologise to the good doctor. Pathetic how they didn't believe him.

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

The "garbage" hospital management shouldn't still be working! hopefully they are on the scrapheap where they belong.

[@caterinawilliams998]

We need a judicial inquiry, with a judge and witnesses subpoena giving testimony under oath

[@philipholding]

Dr Jayaram. Be careful what you wish for!

[@VK.x]

The higher ups whom ignored since 2015 need to also go behind bars!