Doctor Who Specials Disc 2 - 25 Vale

This bookended the series of goodbyes. It was first introduced at teh end of The Waters of Mars. Watch your headphones at the end. The finales was never included in teh show. It's...loud...it belongs on here. - Murray Gold

[@azamatahotra6683]

For some reason, i think this song is sadder than Vale Decem

[@ElliotOlson37]

Agreed

[@TheSchemer1]

By miles and all the more epic for it

[@lordlossize]

Vale is about loss without goodbye, Vale Decem is about goodbye without loss

[@sparkle9603]

Are you implying Vale Decem didn't involve any loss? We lost 10.

[@TheSchemer1]

It sounds sadder - stronger moving on vibe

[@TheCursedMoonWolf]

"Well then. Here we go." *"The long way round."* - The First Doctor.

[@johannahyde-parker8422]

I just saw that scene I'm just in tears

[@Dalek-Galvo]

When Ten announced himself a The Timelord Victorious, I think it was at that moment where he truly became the Valeyard.

[@andrewkennedy9879]

"So this is it? My death? Is it time?!"

[@deferguard7748]

No... "It's the Long Way Around"

[@yawningmoon8040]

Murray Gold, you genius.

[@Ali-sb7jq]

hello there!

[@abialston8476]

The Waters of Mars was such a chilling episode that was so necessary. Probably the only episode where I was genuinely terrified. Not because of weeping angels or daleks, but because I was scared of what the doctor would do in order to save them. He would destroy history. I was scared when he said "I'm the winner". It's bone chilling when someone like the doctor snaps

[@Sean_Last1995]

I got mad when he turned like that it completely ruin my respect for the 10th Doctor.

[@squirrel9544]

Sean Last why? Because they gave him some semblance of character development?

[@Sean_Last1995]

because the Doctor is someone who should never ever go against his own morals his very a name was a promise "Never Cruel or Cowardly, Never give up, never give in" his action during that episode go against that promise, through all 4 seasons with Tennant his Doctor had never ever acted like that it's out of character and wrong.

[@obiwankenobi687]

Sean Last it wasn’t out of character, it was him realizing that after all the people he’s lost and all the death he’s seen he is the only time lord left and he shouldn’t have to sit around and let terrible things happen so he has a right to interfere and save people. He’s the winner in that respect as the laws of time are his, he just went too far with that and it took Adelaide to make him realize it

[@nivaneh1010]

@@Sean_Last1995 the comment above is right and also 10 thinks this is his last regeneration, he has to make it worth while.

[@agoosewithaphone7102]

I decided to give this another listen upon hearing about the death of Bernard Cribbins. This song, and by extension Vale Decem always remind me of how brilliant Tennant's final episodes were, and they wouldn't have been the same without Bernard's performance as Wilfred. RIP.

[@dillonwright13]

0:00 - 0:55 was the part of Vale that was remixed into Vale Unus as the First Doctor's regeneration music. Wish it could have been longer to properly fit in with the actual regeneration.

[@phyllisortego4505]

"For a long time now I've thought I was just a survivor. But I'm not. I'm the winner."

[@Diljabar]

"And who's this for?" "The Doctor." "To… the Doctor… funny, that was the name he used…" "Was she all right? In the end?" "Yes, yes she was… Were you?"

[@ThisIsAUsernameReal]

oh my god the feels

[@eternalbyzantium262]

yea just came here after that scene came to mind

[@Castrated__]

: )

[@LennyCole96]

One small adventure amonst millions he had with her grandmother but he cherished their small time together all the same

[@charliewolff2152]

That scene where the Doctor is about to leave Mars. That scene is what this music was made for imo. I know that it is very memorable for being in Tennant's last episode. But I think it is so perfect for when he watches the crew on Bowie Base One get ready to leave, knowing that they're not going to make it, and knowing there's nothing he can (or should) do about it. It is so morbid and frightening, so good!

[@theshadowless9110]

I fucking cried when this song played on Twice upon a time!

[@erin_3569]

Wasn't it vale decm instead ?

[@SceneSurgeSnippets]

No, it was this

[@humaira339]

Me too.. 😭😭😭

[@Darkraes743]

A man is doing those vocals at the beginning. I've seen a concert performance of this and its true

[@Thundernerd2aBird]

they're called counter-tenors, great skill

[@captaincymbal814]

I own the laws of time, and they will obey me

[@humaira339]

Captain Cymbal *The laws of time are mine, and they will obey me..

[@mariahskyeify]

This is heartbreaking......but I love it.

[@flowersbyphone2554]

this music is so beautiful and beyond amazing but my brain JUST HAD to point out that this video was 4 minutes and 20 seconds long

[@proxygray4072]

Mine too

[@tomgamble3875]

nice

[@chockymalk9795]

its big brain time

[@ELLOimSwizzy]

“It’s started...” :,(

[@MrSteakandChips]

THE TIMELORD VICTORIOUS IS WRONG!

[@johnilarde8440]

Tough

[@marcosvfilho8687]

That's for me to decide

[@maxkennedy7430]

...And so it came to pass...that The Time Lord Victorious...Returns...

[@blackham7]

Back when Doctor who was good and epic! Ahh it was the best of times.

[@jinkino]

I’m glad that they’re starting to reuse old Murray Gold tracks, hope we’ll see more of this in Series 11

[@rubysvnhalo]

3 years late but its so depressing seeing this comment now lmfao

[@christopherjohnston3569]

But it's lines like "Lived too long" that make it seem like he'll really die (10 lived six years...) I prefer a doctor to go out being proud of himself, like 9, and knowing he has a chance to restart from this pain, and best of all, to be brave, like three. 10 saved wilf but he did not go out bravely, because he didn't regenerate even though he was frightened, he regenerated while frightened, he couldn't stop the regeneration, unless to kill himself.

[@professionalghost138]

Christopher Johnston ten lived longer than 6 years he lived for decades that we couldnt se i.e off screen

[@phantompizza]

dodgy big man your just wrong though..

[@phantompizza]

custard_paradox what do you mean

[@themasterofterriblecgi5498]

@@professionalghost138 Actually, though this may have happened with other doctors, since the age they give goes up quickly between episodes or seasons, the age Ten tells people only goes up by about six years across his entire run. Rewatch the episodes and listen to where he tells people his age. At the start of his run he's about 900 (the age used by Nine), by the end he's 906 or 907.

[@dafydddavies7250]

R.I.P Bernard Cribbins

[@ospreyphil8995]

It’s 2020 and I still don’t want 10 to go 😢😢

[@harrisontwyman1451]

Everybody knows that everybody dies and nobody knows it better then the doctor

[@troyboyblueuk]

The feels... I don't want One to go :'(

[@doctorson7026]

Water of Mars is in my opinion the best Doctor Who episode

[@emperordalek102]

i don't know if im ready for the 60th if rtds writing it this is gonna destory me. rip wilfred.

[@captaincrumpet5558]

The 10th Doctor's ego consumed him and his regeneration was needed.

[@chockymalk9795]

IS It TIME? Is this my death?

[@Sean_Last1995]

"I've gone too far! Is this it? My death? Is it time?"

[@bentimelordbentl]

"companions come and go,like they should but it.... breaks my heart":tenth doctor

[@obiwankenobi687]

bentimelord //benTL ...Some of them leave, because they should. And some of them...forget me. I suppose.....in the end........they break my heart’

[@Stemist]

I want this played at my funeral.

[@JeffW83]

I listen to this every New Year’s Eve to remember the year that is gone and to look forward to what is to come. To forget and to renew.

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

The theme of the Time Lord Victorious

[@Cobaltthoriumg]

The Valeyard, Vale is a Latin word which means farewell in English but the phonetic English writing of the Latin spoken word Vale will look like this vale-yard, Bob Holmes and Murry Gold pretty understood their Latin

[@infinitygames9317]

Who's back after that climactic ending to Twice Upon A Time?

[@humaira339]

Meeee.. 😭

[@erenyeager3557]

Yep

[@Sean_Last1995]

me never gonna abandon the show for as long as I live.

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

@@Sean_Last1995 I was like that once. But now I am not sure 😟

[@Sean_Last1995]

@@cameronmonaghan6883 well I am I don't care if the Doctor is a Woman or whatever kind of crap these fools on social media complain about Doctor Who is my lifeblood and I will watch it until either my death or the shows death.

[@alessandrograziani3374]

Vale Regina Elisabetta II 1926-2022

[@realDarkPeterson]

I sure as hell would want to say goodbye to the companions if I was The Doctor. We all know he had a fondness of that incarnation... As he himself put it: "Still, it feels like dying. One man dies and a completly different person take over." That would be the last time they saw that incarnation, that "persona" of The Doctor. It makes more than enough sense. Furthermore: I think he didn't need to say goodbye... I think he just needed to "show his goodbye."

[@mclatchyt]

The Tenth Doctor's regeneration is sadder than anyone realised, especially his last line: I don't want to go. After future revelations about the War Doctor & the Doctor/Donna Meta-crisis event, the 'Tenth' Doctor was actually the Twelfth. As far as he was concerned, this was his last ever regeneration. Funny how his next regeneration to the Matt Smith Doctor (the thirteenth and 'final' incarnation from his first regeneration cycle) was far younger than the rest, utterly childish and beyond energetic, and ready to move on from the traumas of the Time War (the man who forgets). I don't want to go, indeed...

[@TheClockworkNewt]

One of Murray's best. The sound of a dying god

[@Lexxxi_J]

Goodbye Ten Doctor😢

[@JeremyDuncan]

The best track in Doctor Who.

[@RobbytherobotMIIGaming]

“ I ... I don’t want to go “

[@LaupokTwitchNonOfficiel]

on a decouvert doctor who grace au 10ème docteur... merci tennant !

[@retroprogrammes8462]

Gotta love the songs for the Dr.

[@johannahyde-parker8422]

I just heard this in twice apon a time

[@realDarkPeterson]

Then allow me to indulge you with one fact that will turn that into actual sense... When the Doctor regenerates he changes not only his appearence, but personality... And The Doctor loved his tenth incarnation SO MUCH. We have seen him forcing the regeneration away for quite some time... That says alot. As such; not rubbish when it comes to that specific incarnation. He didn't want the tenth incarnation to "die."

[@sonicscrewdriver]

0:00 - 2:03 is the best. The second half is just a bit random.

[@typeviicu-boat3616]

Incorrect

[@robertmcghintheorca49]

Well. Here we go. The long way around.

[@TheReactorLore]

2:19-2:26 was remixed as a motif in the 15th doctor's Dot and Bubble theme.

[@bentimelordbentl]

This is the song that is it for the tenth doctor who says goodbye to all his companions

[@MsBookworm15]

The middle of this reminds me of Rise of the Cybermen/ Age of Steel.

[@Syridian]

Powerful stuff.

[@christopherjohnston3569]

May I indulge that 5, who would like this young body, also knew it was change his personality but didn't give a damn because peri, an innocent woman, was dying, just like wilf would...and he went out bravely. 10 whined more than a 3 year old.

[@Blox248]

Well to be fair 5 had been in that incarnation for long time in universe and still had many regenerations left. 10 only been in his incarnation for literally a couple years at most and had wasted a regeneration to stay in that incarnation already not that long before. Plus, as far as he was aware this was going to be his final regeneration. So he was at least somewhat justified in his breakdown.

[@Diljabar]

You're looking for either track 20, before the standoff with Rassilon and the Master, or 21, which begins when the Master attacks Rassilon

[@Lamadredetuamigo]

"Is this it? My death!?? It is time!?.... NO!"

[@ClockworkOrangeImagination]

Farewell First.

[@ClockworkOrangeImagination]

(And yes I mean First as in the First Doctor during Twice Upon a Time, a variant of this track is used.)

[@JoelTBarrett]

@@ClockworkOrangeImagination 3 variants of vale. Vale, vale decem and vale unus(the one used in twice upon a time)

[@blibber]

2:03 was used in the last of the time lords when Martha uses the Archangel network against The Master

[@realDarkPeterson]

That was mere sarcasm. I never said anything was better now did I? Well, last time I recall... Oh, wait. I didn't. I know perfectly that it is within the logic of the show and I love it. Also, it doesn't need to be any order for it to make sense.

[@maciejstaszak734]

Vale Aurum

[@harrisontwyman1451]

I guess when you live that long, death is a reward

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

It wasn't his death. It was the chance to say a final goodbye to everyone. No one else had that opportunity

[@alexdredge655]

The long way round

[@pizzamozzarella3867]

2:05 is my favourite

[@lynception9137]

Vale. *Farewell*. Screw Undertale, the feels from this are overwhelming.

[@realDarkPeterson]

But timetravel, inter-dimensional travel, a fantastic madman inside a blue box which is bigger on the inside and has a pool in it makes sense?

[@sophieanneburd4109]

Is this it? My death? Is it time?🥺

[@michaelloparco2173]

No

[@celticking2308]

So is this it... my death..... is it time?

[@whosbooks446]

Well then her we go the long way wound. This it my death. The time lord victorious is wrong

[@ThisIsAUsernameReal]

"and who's this for?" "the doctor" "to the doctor funny that was the name he used" "was she happy? in the end" "yes yes she was..." "were you?"

[@AFCDaniel_]

Is it time? My death? 🥺

[@miketembo4444]

Where can I find doctor Adam Richard

[@Sketchit22]

Vale.

[@memi3680]

2:03 in which episode did they used this part?

[@EmeraldKeys]

Memi 36 It wasn’t featured in any episode. If you read the description for Murray Gold’s notes it says that it’s only a part of the soundtrack release

[@christopherjohnston3569]

The quantity of people should not make you consider if you will save them or not. Yes, he did go through that...but it's never said the timelords dying again made him like this, and he was acting like this before they came back.

[@realDarkPeterson]

I said it wasn't rubbish. I said it was the opposite of rubbish, as such it makes more sense. As for the other companions... Well, they didn't travel around with Ten now did they?

[@redsphinx113]

I've gone too far

[@Talrion]

The doctor I don’t wanna Go

[@christopherjohnston3569]

RTD obviously intended this as a goodbye trip but.. 1-it's not death for him, so why is he? But then again I would forgive that, it's more a goodbye because he wants them to see that body But when we find out he looked back at every single companion so he good say (not say to some, more just see them again) goodbye. Now, if he was actually dying...this would actually be fitting and would make sense. But he is regenerating, what is the need to go back for no reason?

[@ntadw-f5p]

Does anyone know when 2:04 onward was used?

[@MWhiteley7677]

NWP Broadcasting unused

[@ntadw-f5p]

Sad really, it was a strong piece of music.

[@nathanielgreen6579]

It was definitely used in an 11th doctor episode, I can't remember which unfortunately, maybe perhaps in season 6?

[@bulborojogeimer6763]

yard

[@celticking2308]

I've gone to far

[@christopherjohnston3569]

If you think the "It still feels like death" plot was complete rubbish then it still doesn't make sense. Say goodbye to the people that saw you in that persona, yes. But Jo Grant? Ben and Polly? Ace? Why!?

[@realDarkPeterson]

First, explain in what way you do not think it makes sense.

[@christopherjohnston3569]

What do you mean?

[@christopherjohnston3569]

I was saying it for me. I feel it was rubbish so it doesn't make sense

[@christopherjohnston3569]

No...he nearly killed himself in forest of the dead if it wasn't for river.

[@christopherjohnston3569]

Yes, it's within the logic of the show so don't use it to prove that DW doesn't have sense or to make something seem better. The Doctor saying goodbye to every single companion ever randomly doesn't make sense.

[@christopherjohnston3569]

Nope, the only way I can guess is if they show great hints...they didn't. Im not doing the writers job.

[@christopherjohnston3569]

Good music but the goodbye scene makes no sense

[@christopherjohnston3569]

No 10 said he was 906 in TEOT and he was 900 in christmas invasion so the most is SIX years. And david did 5 years on the show, not six, either way you're wrong. No, the coward-ness was whining like an ass. How many times was 10 willing to fully die, without argument? Now he is a whining ass because he has to regenerate? He'd be a bit scared, but he hides it. Like the other 5000 bloody times.