Doctor Who - The Hiatus - Part 1

the full story of the hiatus up to the last chance saloon 1987
www.dailymotio... Part two (password: doctor who)
www.dailymotio... Part three (password: doctor who)

[@matthewbutcher7626]

9:47 Seeing Colin in character as Six, but with a beard, is both wierd and bloody awesome.

[@davidaston5773]

The fact that Paul Merton did his research and found out Doctor Who had beaten the BBC's biggest shows at the time... says a lot about the truth of what was going on. It was done for personal and money saving reasons. As for the cheapness of Doctor Who? That was down to the BBC. And it could've easily been changed by a simple increase in budget.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

But he "isnt a sci-fi fan" and powell according to this wasnt and only really wanted his prefered types of program on tv

[@davidaston5773]

@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 They were being so unprofessional. Allowing personal feelings to over ride business concerns. They had a show in Doctor Who that was selling aboard. Had people asking for more episodes. Anyone with a brain would see Doctor Who as a show worth putting more money into. Instead, they put all their money into Eastenders. It was a gloomy show. Never going to sell to the States. All of it proved how out of touch the BBC was back in the 80s. Simple rule of business: if you have a product that is doing well - build on it.

[@johnking5174]

@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 Did you know it was Jonathan Powell who agreed to the creation of the disaster that was cancelling Wogan and making Eldorado.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

@@johnking5174 I didnt know this but it doesnt suprise me, after a point in the 80s the BBC started to lose touch of how to make good business choices and good programs, in the 90s and early 00s they did loads of repeats of older shows because they just couldnt make shows like them anymore and when new who came out the BBC got all cocky like we made a hit again and then plumbed millions into making the voice work when it was failing, litterally chucked money at it, hired new celebs, changed the style. Its very odd when you look at how the BBC act towards shows they make, the long running popular ones they just seem to think well oh well its just old now and they are always looking to make new shows, but as soon as they peak in popularity they stop bothering with them

[@normanby100]

Dying from lack of inspiration sums it up. It was going through the motions like a tired rock music act living off past glories,

[@richardmattocks]

Brilliant video! Subbed! 👍 Looking forward to part 2.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

Part two and three are in description as links as youtube didnt allow them

[@richardmattocks]

@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 awesome! I did look on your channel and couldn’t spot them. Will check the links 😎

[@DanTheMan2150AD]

I’m already sensing a Wilderness Years video in the pipeline.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

possibly at some point, I know alot about the wilderness years, but sadly I only know of one or two documentaries that touch very lightly on the wilderness years and dont go into any great detail on lost projects

[@greigbutler4498]

@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 watch the dr who retrospective, the wilderness years on the KZbin channel - clever dick films

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

@@greigbutler4498 i think that might be one i have seen

[@thatguyfromcetialphaV]

Despite all the flaws of the Sixth era, Colin was still a good Doctor and there were a few good stories in there.

[@johntomlinson6849]

Nathan-Turner is a weird one: he clearly saw all the faults of the Graham Williams era, and very swiftly corrected them....and then created a batch of faults all of his own.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

Its swings and roundabouts, what he was doing was new and there was no playbook for it and no guarentees it would work or for how long. Many classic shows that were reimagined between series and modernised or tinkered with swiftly died shortly after so its a miracle he managed to pull it off for as long as he did

[@sadako24]

With JNT, unfortunately every step forward was accompanied by several steps back. I don't actually think he did see all the faults with the Graham Williams era. He just sneered and dismissed the whole era out of hand, making no real distinction between its flaws & its merits (he didn't even like City of Death, he didn't like Romana), and threw a lot of the good stuff out with the bathwater. He'd worked behind the scenes under Williams long enough to get the occasional idea of what could be done better, but beyond that he had no real forward vision for the show. So he just ended up picking and choosing characters he liked from Season 18, and past monsters he thought the fans would want to see revived. Certainly a lot of Williams' wiser choices (keeping past continuity elements to a minimum) were undone by JNT's approach. Infact I'd say it felt blatantly the case that the show now felt subject to cold, cynical executive decisions rather than feeling guided to its grand destiny anymore. The other problem is it did seem like he was insecurely paranoid when it came to having anyone onboard the show who might have a more solid idea about the series than him.

[@johntomlinson6849]

@@sadako24 At lot of what you say, I agree with, though not all of it. However I do agree very strongly with your last paragraph. To anyone who has studied the matter, it's obvious that he had a personality disorder, partially narcassistic.

[@Quietstormusic]

@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 I don't see what he pulled off apart from the ratings nosediving with the changes he made and the show became a parody of itself. . Fans need to take their heads out of the sandListen to experts kzbin.info4K4UMJp-v6k

[@Niall-g8i]

​@@sadako24 yeah well Douglas Adams is now a house hold name. While Bidmead Saward and Cartnel are all in a retirement home for lardies

[@graphettitv4673]

Hi Keiran - a fantastic watch. Thanks for putting this together. Where are the interview clips of David Reid from originally? I need to reference them in a piece I'm writing (name and year of release would be great if possible) Thanks🙏

[@mauricehunt666]

Keep up the good work.

[@SimonLeicester]

As much as I love the classic series it probably did need a rest. Some of the later stuff was a very mixed bag. The worry is unless Russel T Davies can revive it after the dreadful Chibnall / Whitaker era the series will be heading for another extended break.

[@sillygoose635]

please, nothing could have been worse that whatever JNT put out.

[@sadako24]

To me Classic Who should've ended when Tom Baker left. As for New Who, I never much liked RTD as showrunner, and am not keen to see him back. I think most fans were fed up of the woke politics of Chibnall's era, but RTD's new era will be no different. I doubt it'll be the needed salvage fans are hoping for.

[@SHADOWsKiTTle64]

Where is this documentary from? I can't find any reference to it online. The dailymotion links don't work (just put a google drive link?). Either way, please just tell me where I can find it myself to torrent/dl in full

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

Its 2 documentaries put together and cut down, survival disc has part of it and one of the blurays has the jnt documentary. I cant upload to google drive as my google drive is full

[@kennethos8089]

I’m no longer surprised to find short-sighted executives who lose track of how to make money: both tighten budgets, and invest in properties! How many millions/billions were lost by the Beeb ignorantly following the lead of Paramount in canceling Star Trek in its third season, and losing a crap ton of money, due to fiscal short-sighted ignorance? Michael Grade demonstrates his incompetence, and inability to truly turn a profit from properties beneath him. He’s successful only in the short term. Might be why he has no “Sir” in front of his name!

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

I think his expectations were far too great for a show on such a low budget, he knew it couldnt get more money, enough to allow better technology but then expected it to be as good as a high budget show or movie

[@kennethos8089]

@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 Yep. Shooting a show on tape is an insult. The Beeb is very insecure and territorial, since they refuse to allow anyone else to have the rights…including others to make series, or even movies alongside the show. They ignore tremendous profit opportunities. It’s like making money isn’t their primary focus.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

@@kennethos8089 ino, I hate tapes so much, america was using films and by god their old television series look glorious even nowadays where the bbc content looks increasingly shoddy and cheap and it did at the time too but thats ofcourse no fault of the talent that worked on the show at the time, they did the absolute best they could with what they had. I think the BBC were considering letting other broadcasters have input in the 90s but at the time doctor who wasnt hugely popular so the people in the bigger better funded american industries were like doctor who what the hell is that? XD the tv movie could have been huge but the script didnt respect the show so went through loads of rewrites with fox and bbc arguing over how it should be done. I think segal had an impossible task as a result

[@kennethos8089]

@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 Agreed. As a wilderness years Whovian, I watched the TVM live as it aired, very excited, but confused by the bits you’d expect. The Beeb seems embarrassed by shows that do well that it doesn’t respect, and this isn’t a good business model for increasing audiences or creating good product. DW can infuse sci fi into drama quite well, but it won’t have a “respectable” audience. Nor will ST or SW, but they’re still money-makers. Beeb has much to learn even today.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

@@kennethos8089 yeah but dont forget when your business gets money for nothing, money by default it doesnt have to worry about profitability or making things work because its going to get money reguardless. I think thats why american systems are far better because people pay for quality content which encourages an attatude of lets do the best we can, at the bbc its a case of well we get payed either way so who cares

[@paulashe61]

Series was cancelled to pay for the Eastenders set.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

True, eric seward said this

[@blueknight07]

Jonathan Powell was one of the worst BBC controllers, he axed popular shows and brought in very poor programs that didn't last very long. His attitude in interviews is pretty ridiculous.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

I think the BBC has just had its day, its well behind what every other network is doing. I think because of the way its funded it hasnt got much of a business head on

[@drhacknslashzombietimelord6768]

As much as I thought that the BBC, in the way they tried to underhandedly cancel the show the first time, and Michael Grade being a total twat, not only towards the show, but the fans as well, if the show had not been cancelled when it was, it would have just languished on the air with next to no budget, and no good writing until everyone hated it and didn't want to see it anymore, and we wouldn't have gotten the revival in 2005 with much better budgets, and better writing than we'd seen since the 70's. Barry Letts and Terence Dicks were the last great writers and show runners of the classic era. I was excited when I heard that Russell was coming back for the 60th anniversary specials and season 14. I do hope he sticks around longer, and brings back the heart that he brought to the show in 2005, and has been steadily disappearing since 2010.

[@robalexander8065]

Where's part two?

[@artofdrinking]

Anyone else get a shiver up their spine when Ian Levine shows up on screen?

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

why?

[@artofdrinking]

​@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 you really don't wanna fall down that rabbit hole 😅 but google

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

@@artofdrinking there are plenty of stories about alot of people involved in doctor who XD I really want to know what gives you shivvers and if its anything to do with the JNT claim

[@artofdrinking]

@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 nahh nothing to do with that. Just some of the vile shit he has posted on Twitter. (Encouraging suicide and all that)

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

@@artofdrinking ohhhh hell really? Have you got links? I need to see this! He really is evil annie

[@andiparker3733]

I had to skip past the bits with Micheal Grade in. I hate him sooo much! 🤣🤣

[@matthwe3468]

I hate Grade too. How he has kept his titles after the Saville scandal I'll never know.

[@andiparker3733]

@@matthwe3468 he's also a spineless coward getting JNT to do all his dirty work! Not to mention he has one of those faces you want to hit with a chair!

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

@@matthwe3468 because what usually happens at an organisation that is entirely to blame on every level is they will throw one person under the bus to save face. Like how michael grade was thrown under the bus with doctor who cancellation even though there were many other people involved in it and michael grade didnt actually cancel it in 1989

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

I had to add more michael grade stuff as on the dvd and bluray they didnt show the most damning evidence of his self confessed hatred of the show

[@ShamrockParticle]

the guy who was said to not fund the show but then said it looked cheap?

[@peskybee22]

Is there a part 2 coming? :)

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

In the description are the links, facebook didnt allow them

[@paulashe61]

Wots Micheal Grades thoughts now?

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

There are some radio interviews with him on doctor who with modern series producers but they dont stretch to thr chibnal era

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

please follow links in description for part two and three

[@hgwells1899]

The Hiatus - Part 2 incoming

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

In the description, youtube didnt allow them so they are on dailymotion with the password: doctor who

[@greigbutler4498]

Who’s narrating? Sounds a bit like Colin Baker

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

Depends on what segment, colin does narrate bits