The 361 Miro is World’s LIGHTEST Super Shoe.

[@rizzaxc]

would love more chinese supershoe reviews in general. western shoes are way too expensive atm

[@DJSt3rling]

And for no reason. They all come from the same place.

[@bbnd5476]

​@DJSt3rling there's a lot more to price than the general region they're from... Most western brands enforce labor and environmental laws for their Chinese production which local brands don't follow. They also spend more on R&D.

[@iCuteJP]

@@bbnd5476 Chinese athletic footwear brands have made significant strides in recent years, offering high-quality running shoes at competitive prices. Brands like Li-Ning, Anta, Xtep, 361, Qiaodan, and Bmai now produce daily trainers and max cushion running shoes for under US$50, with some carbon-plated racing models available for less than US$100. These low prices don't reflect a lack of quality. Chinese brands have invested heavily in research and development, creating midsole and outsole technologies that rival those of global competitors. Recent improvements in labor and environmental regulations in China have led some international brands to relocate production to countries with lower costs, like Vietnam. Several factors contribute to the affordability of Chinese brand shoes: 1, Design efficiency: Asian foot shapes allow for more standardized production, reducing manufacturing costs. 2, Market scale: China's large domestic market enables high-volume sales, with popular models often selling millions of pairs shortly after launch. 3, Marketing strategy: These brands prioritize competitive pricing and high sales volume over expensive marketing campaigns. It's worth noting that if these shoes were sold in Western markets, their prices would likely be comparable to other global brands due to additional costs such as shipping, labor, warehousing, and potential import taxes.

[@jjcornelio7741]

They've been making waves in the basketball shoe market. Hope li ning, anta, and 361 would be mainstream in running, too.

[@jowandave]

@@bbnd5476 Can you cite sources for these other than the Western Propaganda? lol

[@marcoc2706]

Specs from 361° official store on TaoBao: Heel - 36mm Forefoot - 27mm

[@jackjill2010]

I have this shoe and the Qiaodan Qinghong too. I prefer the Qiaodan Qinghong over the 361. It is 104g in my US9.5 and is an amazing shoe. Both shoes fit me true to size. I have the Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris and Nike Vaporfly 3 also in US9.5. The Qiaodan shoe is much cheaper too. I bought it on AliExpress when they had a sale so it only cost $220 Aud which is only $150 USD! Crazy for a shoe of such high specs. I don't have the EVO Pro 1 nor do I intend to buy it. Way too expensive for me.

[@jackjill2010]

@SHAHLIFE.64 Yes, the Miro weighs 119g in my US 9.5 so 15g heavier. Stack heights are similar but I feel I have to focus more on my footstrike to get the best performance benefit. Both shoes are excellent and I feel like I'm splitting hairs here. The heel counter on the Miro is firmer. And also the Miro appears to have a higher forefoot stack height when I look at them side by side. The Qinghong would benefit from a tad more outsole in the toe area as that is experiencing high wear already from limited use so durability may be problematic. Bounciness, softness and ground feel are very similar and I have no lockdown issues with either pair. It may be the Qinghong's plate design and placement that works better for my style of running. After working out in the Qinghong my Garmin gave me a huge performance condition improvement which mirrored with how I felt. I'm really looking forward to what Asics comes up with in this very low weight higher stack 'super' shoe. I think it will be good.

[@jackjill2010]

@SHAHLIFE.64 Given your preferences you may get along better with the Miro. Both have no insoles but the Miro has padding in the heel area. Just walking with one on my left foot and the other on my right foot I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference on a blind test. Miro vs VF3. .. Miro feels much lower to the ground, softer midsole and less aggressive. Miro vs Metaspeed Paris Sky ... Miro is again much lower to the ground, much softer midsole and much less aggressive. Miro vs Plaid 1.5 ...both midsoles feel very soft but because the Plaid has so much more it is way more comfortable. I think there is a trade off between weight, stack height and the midsole foam performance in combination with the plate placement and design. I hate to steer you wrong but just based on what you prefer the Miro is probably the one. Though I'd go with the Qinghong on price alone especially when AliExpress have a sale which is usually the start of every month. Note you have much more road feel with either pair than a Vaporfly or Metaspeed Sky Paris or Plaid. It's going to be the weight difference that might make that difference in the 5/10K as you probably will have a marginally higher cadence. I'll go and do a 5k run in each in the next few hours and give you my thoughts. Mind you I just ate a big meal so don't expect much in accurate feedback. ☺

[@jackjill2010]

@SHAHLIFE.64 Not a problem. I was going to be lazy so it was nice to do a workout. Definitely the Miro is more suitable given your criteria. Has much more cushioning and less ground feel. The Qinghong does feel very bouncy and the foam may be a smidgen softer but springs back nicely. I ran in the Miro first and did the 5k at my goal half marathon pace which is 4:20 so finished in 21:38 . 2nd 5k in the Qinghong was at 4:21 finishing 21:44 . It was 24 degrees so relatively warm. Incredibly the Garmin stats were very similar. My stride length, cadence and vertical ratio were 1.34-1.42m, 167-170 and 7.5-7.9% respectively. I weigh around 64kg, mid 50s and 168cm to give you more info. Qinghong is the less stable of the 2 shoes for sure. Hope it helps. I'm hoping you enjoy the Miro and the Plaid when it arrives. The Plaid midsole is quite soft and makes me think the new Saucony Endorphin Elite 2 may have a similar type midsole. I 'm hoping better. I think there is some cross over now. I loved the Mizuno Rebellion Pro 1. The 2 was too much for me. I don't think I can make the most of the aggressive plate set up on it but it is an excellent shoe. Highly discounted too. The 3 which releases next week I believe looks very similar to the 2. Anyway, enjoy running in your new shoes when they arrive!🏃‍♂

[@THSNDS]

Qiaodan Qinghong is only 100g for a US8.5 which is my size. It's crazy light! I also got mine on sale which roughly converts to just 113 USD, shipped.

[@zchhansen]

The chinese superfoam maker DMN just came out with a shoe, the Danian 1.0, I grabbed a pair, 160g mens 10.5. And the price was $80 including shipping from China! Also felt absurdly fast, with a last that is suspiciously similar to the metaspeed sky...

[@penzuugi]

Do they sell in aliexpress?

[@zchhansen]

@@penzuugi unfortunately only on Taobao

[@white_deer1]

I'm hoping Chinese branded running shoes force Western brands to lower their prices similarly how they have done so in the EV market. It should be a win for the consumer. More competition, more choice and lower prices. Good review.

[@iCuteJP]

Consider exploring Chinese online marketplaces for running shoes. Many reputable Chinese brands like Li-Ning, Anta, Xtep, 361, Qiaodan, and Bmai offer high-quality daily trainers and max cushion running shoes for under US$50. You can even find carbon-plated racing shoes for less than US$100. Don't let the low prices fool you. Chinese brands have invested heavily in R&D, developing midsoles and outsoles that compete with global brands. Their shoe quality has improved significantly in recent years. Several factors contribute to their affordability: 1, Asian foot shapes allow for more standardized production, reducing costs. 2, China's large market enables high-volume sales, often selling millions of pairs quickly after launch. 3, These brands focus on competitive pricing and high sales volume rather than expensive marketing campaigns. If sold in Western markets, these shoes would likely be priced similarly to other global brands due to higher shipping, labor, and warehousing costs, as well as potential import taxes. For runners seeking quality footwear at competitive prices, Chinese brands offer an intriguing alternative worth considering.

[@fastrax1949]

Nice one. Interesting to see you reviewing a 361 shoe. This model is not available in the Uk but the brand does offer a great range of road and trail shoes and for us here at The Complete Runner (UK) 361 is a very significant brand. Superb quality and excellent value for money.

[@DemSangines]

Thanks so much for the review! Really helpful to get a Westerner's perspective on these shoes. Appreciate your honest thoughts!

[@edlorenz1552]

Just received my pair. For anyone interested, I ordered it on November 13 and it came November 19 to Michigan. First run was on 20 November. Took a while to get the tongue situated on the left shoe. Which I then realized was not tight enough during my run. To me, these feel very similar to the Vaporflys, although lighter. I think I could set a PR in a 5K with these shoes but overall for longer distances I prefer the ASICS metaspeed Paris edge.

[@edlorenz1552]

One other thing is, my size 9.5 weigh in at 119 grams. Whereas my ASICS weigh 183 grams.

[@teamdreamcatcher1339]

Excellent review especially since it was a shoe that was not sent by the brand for review. As an owner of some Chinese branded shoes I am surprised at the quality, performance and value. The 361 Furious Future 1 or 1.5 is an excellent marathon shoe offering from the brand. However, it was still a very expensive shoe! Mind you, they generally don't skimp on things we tend to gripe about with some Western brands like shoe laces. They sometimes send 2 sets of different shoe laces or sock liners depending on the brand. It reminds me of the feeling I had when I bought my first Nike Alphafly which had awesome presentation and the shoe bag.

[@fencerlacroix2512]

Really Nice. Really Really Really Really Really Nice.

[@slai..]

Do try Qiaodan Feiying PB30, 4.0 and the Plaid 1.5. They are just as good as the best from the western brands.

[@MyFatAdaptedLife]

I love the inverse correlation between weight and cost, as it relates to racing shoes.

[@i.p2088]

Like racing cars...

[@twizzlezz]

Yes!! So psyched you're reviewing this shoe. I think DORs original review of the 361 Flame ST (?) got me thinking about chinese brands. I checked on their website and saw this shoe for sale, so i asked some family in china to pick up a pair for me. I also got the Furious ET, which seems like the training companion to their Furious supershoe. How was the sizing for you? I went true to size based on my EU size and i'm hoping they fit.

[@skottIMtri]

Ive just ordered them, let’s see how they go.

[@GTE_Channel]

Any updates?

[@stenna9274]

Wow, as someone who’s been obsessing over shoe weight for the past 10 years, this is a shoe I’ll certainly be looking out for! I also love that you mention the New Balance RC5000s - I had a pair of those, but ended up selling them because I hardly ever dared to race in them... I think they were 84 grams in my size 8. 🤯

[@ChrislerTemplado]

Flame 3.5 and Furious 2.0 from 361 degrees are up to par with alpha flys and adios pros.

[@kenvysmiguel8817]

I hope you can have the Qiaodan Plaid 1.5 and share your thoughts. I bet you will be amazed.

[@paulpatrick885]

Great review Matt I've ran most of my 5k-10k races this year in the Saucony Fastwitch 9 which has sadly been discontinued and a few races in the Saucony Sinister. I previously ran my 5k-Half marathon races in Saucony A6 which I really liked for race days. This shoe sounds like a good possible option for me - how does the sizing compare to Saucony - do they run true to size or do you need to size up. Thanks

[@MatthewDodds-bk5bg]

The Li-Ning Dragon Flight is out and its only 104 grams in US size 11

[@DoctorsofRunning]

Interested but not going to spend $700 on a shoe.

[@junaideej.k7634]

If you guys want, you guys could do a reviews of Chinese shoes! Like the 361° Flame 3.5 Qiaodan FeiYing Plaid 1.5 Xtep 160x 6.0s series I want to see how you might (or might not) destroy the CPU outsoles Qiaodan also has the QingHong. Similar to the shoe in the video.

[@Ferron89]

I've heard that QingHong is quite a bad shoe. Their Plaid 1.5 is amazing, though.

[@jackjill2010]

@@Ferron89 I have a pair of the Qinghong and I believe it may be a little unstable for some but it works well for me. Durability may be an issue but for 5k up to a half I think it's the bees knees. I took a gamble when I bought them but was super surprised at how well they performed. I also have the Plaid 1.5 and enjoy that shoe too.

[@muroami3076]

Im browsing the website of 361 and saw this review 😮

[@albertteng1191]

i just checked out our local online shopping platform, that miro is super expensive. I'll probably put that in a glass display than run in it.

[@i.p2088]

How is the size? In a Flame ST I went down a full sizes. Chinese sizing..

[@yung-hanchen2098]

Following. Does it fit true to size?

[@aitorarotzena2550]

Have you tried the 361 Furious 2.0 or the Furious Future??

[@DoctorsofRunning]

@@aitorarotzena2550 no but we definitely want to!!

[@iCuteJP]

It was a surprise to many that Olympic athlete Alberto Gonzalez Mindez from Guatemala wore the 361 Miro NUDE during the Paris Olympic 2024 Marathon.

[@adamfeerst2575]

Is the midfoot as narrow as the Paris models and VF? Those hurt my arches.

[@KevinChanner]

Just got a pair. Feels like an Alpha fly version 1. But no way this foam last more than 50 miles.

[@JonathonCarabajal]

Does this run true to size? Also, how many miles did you put on them before the outsole started rubbing off and coming apart?

[@DoctorsofRunning]

@@JonathonCarabajal it does run true to size. I got to about 20 miles before I started ripping into the outsole, which is not terrible for me actually

[@robaruns]

Anyone know where I can scoop a pair of 10.5s?

[@mangoshu_v2557]

Good to see finally 361 栗峰 made it here & what's better is Matt bought it with his own money 👍& LIKES it ALOT!😁 Forefoot = 27mm Heel = 36 mm That's the information I get from another video (a China runner + shoe reviewer) I prefer to make fun of how Matt said "really, REALLY, R-E-A-L-L-Y"!😋

[@threatened2024]

I hope markets outside of Asia are open to Chinese brands. I've been looking at this shoe for a while and hope to try it soon.

[@DoctorsofRunning]

@@mangoshu_v2557 I don’t know why I kept repeating myself?

[@nondescript]

Re: stack. If you look at the world athletics shoe checker the 361 Degrees - Mironude shows as “approved” for road races, which I’ve taken to understand means it has to be within 40mm at the heel.

[@CableWatson]

these only go up to size 10...wish they made them bigger

[@marksummers6903]

Favorite 5k-10k shoe of 2024? what are the other 5k-10k shoes of 2024??

[@shunsuikyoraku5428]

Nothing like a RC5000 lol

[@SirThomas1212]

361 MIRO NUDE!!!! just say it Matt 😂

[@DoctorsofRunning]

@@SirThomas1212 the “nude” part is just the colorway though….. -Matt

[@caleballen8862]

wow this shoe is crazy

[@leno-lenolee4750]

China brand running shoes are making a super leap in 2024. If u go to China, make sure u bring a big empty luggage to collect all their super shoes which are super good and super cheap. Here are some of the super brand - 361, Qiaodan, Xstep, Anta, Erke, Bmai, ....

[@zoomarguyable]

The company is not well know because it does source (even doubled down with a press release) about using Xinjiang cotton which is controversial in the US for the the use of forced labor in the cotton industry

[@PatrickStar_24]

wtf never heard of this brand

[@joshhutton9534]

They have started making a bigger name for themselves in basketball. They have Jokic, Aaron Gordon, and some others under their brand. I'm glad they are finally getting some of their running shoes available to the US.

[@PatrickStar_24]

@@joshhutton9534 Oh nice. There's so many brands to choose from now

[@RUN-SC]

Your Edge Paris before this review 😀, now your Edge Paris after this review 😢

[@timothymillea5564]

I am pretty sure he would take Edge Paris over this for the half and full marathon any day. Edge Paris is still an amazing shoe

[@DoctorsofRunning]

@@timothymillea5564yes, 10k and up would still take the Edge. Edge also wins out with durability as I have 130 miles in my pair and they are still going strong! -Matt

[@SirThomas1212]

I got Miro nude delivered by a giant ostrich. I find that mid sole too narrow even for my narrow feet, I just ran in edge Paris again, much better bounce and ez to get into rhythm (pace). The tongue of Miro takes time to get used to. I agreed, Miro is not a marathon shoes, 5-10k race would be great, any further distance the feet will suffer. ​@@DoctorsofRunning