The Time Lord Victorious is Wrong! | The Waters of Mars | Doctor Who

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[@jdprettynails]

I love how David Tennant can play cheerful and giddy, then go on to being dark. This scene genuinely shocked me.

[@passerbytanuki2456]

he truly is an awesome actor and this incredible mood change capability of his Doctor is what I love about him

[@reddnebbula]

Matt Smith was considered the same like that.

[@mr.barcode3186]

The doctor's words about being the "winner" and the "Time Lord Victorious" left me more scared than any monster I have ever seen.

[@reddnebbula]

Stewart Kranz I disagree

[@mephostopheles3752]

jdprettynails He's a phenomenal actor, and one of the best Doctors.

[@sean..L]

This is such a good representation of how invigorating anger is. How years of repressed emotion can bubble up into a storm of blind rage. The doctor lost himself and his faltering came instantly back to bite him. Absolutely devastating.

[@generalshaun3282]

Sometimes I relate to what the doctor is saying here as fucked up as that sounds. But I guess I just have a big ego

[@TheLegendOfLame]

@@generalshaun3282 he is, funny enough, a very human character. Not unreasonable to relate to him in some scenarios because his humanity is very relatable

[@amyclarke41]

😢so dark for a family show ax but a good message don't fix what's not broke

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

I love the little detail of Brooke accusing The Doctor of calling Mia and Yuri "little people," and after her suicide in the headlines he sees that Mia and Yuri have become major historical figures in the new fixed point.

[@Longtail626]

I like to think they played a role in inspiring Suzy

[@unleashed1237]

Would you say the Doctor was the villain in this episode?

[@Comet12864]

This scene is powerful. Because The Doctor realizes his power. And he almost turns into The Master. Power hungry, trying to rule time. It shows that even The Doctor needs some sense slapped into him sometimes.

[@viditashevade6153]

Comet12864 that's why he needs a companion...to keep him grounded and sane...😢and to keep him fighting

[@MrVauxs]

Remember Wheatley from portal?

[@Tasorius]

Cause his desire to save people is as evil as the Master's desire to kill people...? "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"...? This is just madness.

[@adrianwilcox809]

Tasorius Agreed

[@legoroan9866]

Tasorius he goes a little mad

[@ValhallaBeckons]

That "tough" hits hard. Ten's darkest moment is a true milestone of the show. Props to Murray Gold for the amazing score.

[@allenellisdewitt]

It really feels to me like he slipped into the type of Timelord he started running from all those centuries ago. As far as we know, he's the only one of his race that has been out there trying to HELP people, instead of just controlling time as it suits their ends.

[@KororaPenguin]

Is this why they chose his next regeneration to create the Valeyard?

[@zacmumblethunder7466]

That one word killed the Doctor for me after being a fan since 1973. I continued to watch, but to me it wasn't Dr Who any more.

[@s1m4r]

@@zacmumblethunder7466 boohoo

[@zacmumblethunder7466]

@@s1m4r Aw, don't cry. It doesn't bother me that the series went to crap. I've plenty of other things to like.

[@jacoblansman8147]

"Is there nothing you can't do?" "Not anymore." Excuse me Doctor, I don't think you can sonic wood yet

[@kuramakuramagolden5298]

Truly

[@kb6900]

Electronic locks

[@commenturthegreat2915]

This is the doctor's biggest weakness. I'm waiting for the master to show up one day with a wood screwdriver and be like "HA! WHO IS THE SUPERIOR TIMELORD NOW?!"

[@kirinkylangilin]

@@commenturthegreat2915 Waiting for the Master to put the Doctor in a wooden maze with wood-like creatures just because he could. And he offers the Doctor's companions front row seats to see the Doctor panic and struggle throughout the Master's Trap of Eternal Doom... which could be solved within 45-50 or maybe 60 minutes. 90 minutes if they're seriously strapped for cash.

[@Canadian_Zac]

@@commenturthegreat2915 I could so see him doing that. Spending a load of time and effort and showing up like "HEY DOCTOR. Look what I got" *Sonic's a wooden door*

[@obi1kenobyebye965]

This scene always sends shivers down my spine. His eyes are so different. Usually, tens eyes are bright and warm and sunny, but if you look at them in this shot they're dark and cold and you can see just how megalomaniacal he could have been if he hadn't stopped there. And for a moment he was terrified of himself. I love it

[@obi1kenobyebye965]

*Megalomanical

[@JohnnyLCob]

+ljqueen McAwsome What expression?

[@JohnnyLCob]

ljqueen McAwsome Ah, I see... interesting

[@highjim7778]

That right there was the spark of the Valeyard.

[@IAmKrow]

Obi1kenobyebye And the way he says "tough" to Brooke? Chilling. It's like he's lost his soul and become a madman

[@heatherrockwell9012]

"Tough." You know who else said that? The Master, in Utopia, before taking over the world and murdering a billion people. Dodged a bullet here to say the least.

[@filipzajac]

Well some managed to dodge the bullet and some didnt

[@shahrzadketabollahi5496]

@@filipzajac Oh god 😂😂

[@maxfishslap7304]

Or did we?! New announcement from big finish!

[@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8]

In light of the new announcement, I'd say Tennant's doctor refused to regenerate and stayed the Timelord Victorious long enough to start a new time war and be defeated by the 8th and 9th doctors. The Timelord Victorious dies at trenzalore and the TARDIS dies with him, but the 8th and 9th Doctors themselves decide to rewrite history, saving themselves and the TARDIS, but leaving unexplained mysterious cracks throughout space and time

[@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8]

@@maxfishslap7304 not just Big Finish, but BBC books, Titan comics, and new escape rooms.

[@laughinjackdaviscrawford5234]

Everyone is talking about how amazing he was here but can we take a second to appreciate her. She was powerful as hell

[@mattnar3865]

I find it hard seeing past the actors role in Rome, she was beyond annoying there. Basically "Caesar dumped me so I'm gonna constantly bullshit about how awful he is".

[@theamericanyoutuber]

@@mattnar3865 That means she’s an amazing actoress, then.

[@larniieplayz6285]

@@theamericanyoutuber yeah

[@JustAnNPC245]

I was honestly annoyed by her. She didn't want to die. (Understandable) She threatened to drag the doctor with her if he didn't save her despitewhat he told her(dick move, but Understandable) She gets on the tardis to be saved, But then she immediately regrets it and blames the doctor. Like, lady, you chose to get on board! He wanted to leave, you begged for help, He tells you why he can't, You still beg, he finally relents and offers help, You accept it, And now it's his fault because he helped?

[@EnPee91]

@@JustAnNPC245 I would put that down to survival instinct. Her will to survive is stronger than her moral compass. But take away the mortal danger and she has the awareness to see the implications of what happened and she understands that it’s wrong.

[@Iosephus_Michaelis]

If you ask me then this is one of the most well made, well written, well acted and well directed moments in the history of Doctor Who.

[@dooplon5083]

Not to mention the music is just amazing!

[@pjgs4933]

I agree 100%. I like Moffat's writing, but I can't help but feel that his era is missing the heart that RTD's era had. I think Chibnall will be good though

[@Hilda_ogden]

Doesn't come close.

[@bassinblue]

Love the philosophical aspect of the dialogue. To the point the writer is questioning the role of Doctor Who.

[@evierbeach9359]

pjgs this comment didn’t age well 😂

[@Lucywin97]

honestly the fact that the doctor, the man who thinks humans "look like giants", even said the words "little people" shows you just how dark this scene was.

[@slevinchannel7589]

You dont get it...

[@slevinchannel7589]

He IS a Giant though. Duh?

[@Lucywin97]

@@slevinchannel7589 He's like 6'2"

[@coreyeck5266]

@@Lucywin97 That's pretty giant

[@chimera9818]

For a moment he became the master and immediately regretted it

[@MattJames1958]

I used to find this episode scary as a kid due to the water-monsters, but now I find the Doctor the most frightening. A fantastic episode

[@MatthewCYN15]

Actual water monsters And a monster with the face of a man

[@HemiEngine392]

Real

[@chikowashere]

This is why he always needs a companion.

[@kellywilson-lawson1857]

Chiko was here this is why he needs me I would teach him how to bring people to justice id teach him never to show mercy im on his side with this

[@chikowashere]

You seem like a perfect companion for the Master.

[@JessCaron]

+ugaaa5 She spelled everything fine, she just needs punctuation. And we don't know that, whereas we do know that the Doctor likes companions who are nice.

[@kaminariyuki860]

I volunteer as tribute!!!!!

[@chikowashere]

Kaagh178 That was before the PTSD the Doctor went through after he fought in the Time War

[@stealthlock6634]

"For a long time I thought I was a survivor, but I'm not. I'm the _winner._ The time lord victorious." I GET IT HOW BAD THIS IS HE'S SAYING "I didn't survive the Time War. I _won_ the Time War. So time is mine to control now."

[@waynehumes6262]

That line...that ONE line is so scary, it sent a chill throughout the whole universe in fear. 😱

[@TheDragonaf1]

To quote the master "I'm a TIME LORD...i have that right..."

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@TheDragonaf1 And he said ''tough''. Just like The Master did in Utopia.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

The Tenth Doctor got too emotional.

[@CeinprDeku]

To quote the 11th doctor, “In all my years of life, I’ve never met a person who was unimportant.”

[@gabrielchaplin3156]

One of the things that resonates with me the most in this episode and really shows how far the Doctor has changed (though I feel fallen is a better word for it) is not in this scene, but rather a quick line from about a minute or so prior to this. The Doctor asks them, in quite a smug and cocky tone: "Isn't anyone gonna thank me?". My mind immediately goes to Martha's speech she gives to everyone she meets during her time wandering the Earth in Last of the Time Lords: "He never stops. He never stays. He never asks to be thanked..." In this moment, the Doctor that Martha, that we know is long gone. The Doctor who has saved countless lives, countless planets, the barrier between peace and death, the balance in this appalling universe... this man isn't him. He's the Timelord Victorious, and only that. And it's terrifying. Little things like that is why I love Doctor Who.

[@codo8584]

You also see the Doctor do everything he can to stop himself from becoming this again with 11 and 12, there's a surprising amount of character development for the Doctor following this episode

[@ToxicBalloon360]

Good catch. I didn't realise that.

[@LordTyph]

Being fair, you can never ask for something but still crave it all the same.

[@kyliedunham77]

And later when he's talking to Wilfred. He says we must seem so little to you. And the doctor replies you look like giants. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5bOl6CMpNdjq8U

[@bobafett6174]

I never thought about thanks

[@Free.Spirit.Rebel.]

This is what happens when the doctor travels alone for a long time. No one should be alone. We should always have someone to watch our backs.

[@AnonymousPotatoe]

Gee, he loses so much >~

[@andrewmalcolm-neale383]

Not watch our backs - bring us down.

[@AlbanianGamer313]

Andrew Malcolm-Neale or just a face... to remind us.... to hold us to the mark

[@forestgreengloves]

Donna was right

[@fangsabre]

It's more than just having someone watch his back. He needs companions because he needs someone to hold him accountable. It's easy to start abusing power when nobody tells you its wrong

[@Oliver-ek2nl]

A testament to David's acting. Everything that the Doctor is saying here is the same as usual, his movements are the same - but something is just... off. Off enough to make him appear completely different than normal, whether it be how he's reacting to other people, his eyes, his face. David's use of subtly to completely transform a character will always blow me away.

[@davidchism6081]

Traveling without companions is detrimental to The Doctor's moral code. Ten confirmed as such to Donna's Grandfather in The End of Time special.

[@BranchLineFrog]

I know exactly what you mean, he seems almost on a slight power high. He's obviously been on his own, thinking over the time war, which would be bad for him in general, but he realised technically he actually won the time war. Thats a pretty big difference from "survivor". Even the doctor is not above letting things like that inflate his ego, especially as he's alone, as mentioned before. He may have used that perception of himself to justify meddling with time in ways he deems good and right, having fun with it, feeling unstoppable, and gave him an unhealthy amount of confidence in his understanding of "good" and "right"

[@Ragnawak]

This is the proof of how great he is. He uses physical tension to change subtle details in his acting in this one. The moves are the same, but the eyes' expression, the movement, the jaw, everything is more physically tensed, showing he is more determinate. With a different facial expression, this shows us a completely different character. Even if it's sounds easy, it is hard to sucessfully master this body control. Good actors need to study their body attitudes, their behavior, and need to identify what elements they can change to alterate the entire result. David Tennant probably have a good knowledge of his body and must have several strings and tricks he can use for his characters. Let's not forget he's been in The Royal Shakespeare Company and graduated from the Royal Scottish Academy. The guy knows his job. He's one of these talented british actors, who receive one of the best drama training in the world.

[@kelsiemcveety999]

It was the tongue for me. When David Tennant brings out his tongue it's a creepy character time

[@Bertiboy]

For me the most unnerving bit was opening her door and the chipper ‘all yours!’ but with a completely blank expression on his face. It would be so usual but somehow he changes his presentation in such a way where it’s creepy and slimy.

[@eji]

I really loved how Ten could go from such incredible kindness to such incredible darkness... possibly one of the best bits of proof that the Doctor needs a companion to keep himself from slipping like this and losing his humanity.

[@Aytierrez]

"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain"

[@alexanderhamilton7854]

Amaury C eobard thawne

[@JamesJohnson-nm5pu]

Harvey Dent.

[@JamesJohnson-nm5pu]

Harvey Dent.

[@mimiHTcat]

it’s sad, because ten didn’t even live that long. he had an unusually short life span of only 6 or 7 years.

[@klein2042]

For like 5 minutes and then go back to being a hero

[@Ted_Curtis]

I never thought you could become so cruel from trying to be kind...

[@blackham7]

Nice one.

[@Rensune]

Eddie Curtis The Road to Hell....

[@TheSkully343]

Sometimes you do more damage with an open hand than a closed fist.

[@TheIrishTea]

Eddie Curtis The cruelest people know how to be cruel because they have known what kindness is.

[@fanghur]

"There is no such thing as pure good or pure evil, least of all in people. In the best of us there are thoughts or deeds that are wicked, and in the worst of us, at least some virtue. An adversary is not one who does loathsome acts for their own sake. He always has a reason that to him is justification. My cat eats mice. Does that make him bad? I don't think so, and the cat doesn't think so, but I would bet the mice have a different opinion." -Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander

[@yaboi8130]

She looked into the face of a god and was disgusted. Bravo, best character. Edit: JLOCC23424 is oblivious to their own actions. A real Christian would take time to realize they don’t need to get into a 2 year long argument about a metaphor

[@JLOCC23424]

He's not a god🤦‍♂️

[@danrenshaw3702]

@@JLOCC23424 He felt like one, essentially had the power of one. And treated those "lesser people" with disdain. A time lord with that kind of power would be a god, a vengeful one. The bravery of Adelaide is to be lauded, there, she denied something that previously she pushed hard for. Her own life. Because she understood the importance of her death, something the Doctor had hard tried to convince her for. He broke and decided he made the rules now, and she said No.

[@Daniel-rd6st]

"Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many"@@danrenshaw3702

[@AB-zl4nh]

​@@JLOCC23424 God-like. Sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic.

[@JLOCC23424]

@danrenshaw3702 God has no beginning and no end all knowing and creator of all things and He can't die. The doctor can and he's not all those things so no he isn't a god just a man with a lot off knowledge and power.

[@PaladinOfNerds]

This was the first time the Doctor frightened me.

[@cameronheaton9900]

You never seen seven before

[@Nath_0460]

Cameron Heaton lmao thats true.

[@subscorpion9560]

Have you seen the 6th, 7h, or 11th?

[@slevinchannel7589]

He was finally about to stop being wimpy and small. He could have overcome his trauma and started living, but an INSANE WOMAN KILLED HERSELF! Suicide as a strategic movement alone shows that she's not sane, but anyway, the effect on the doctor is clearly negative. Maybe the worst scene in the franchise, in a sense.

[@LukeTheGeek]

Sub Scorpion#9 he said first time. How would he see 11 before this lmao

[@kkibble]

I think that one of the underrated horrible aspects of this is the fact that the Doctor essentially robbed Adelaide of dying on her terms. Originally, she would have been perceived to be a hero by sacrificing herself in Mars but through her suicide in her home, she may be perceived as something else by humanity. So much of Adelaide's death would be mysterious to the rest of the world in the changed timeline. How she ended up back in her home. Why she killed herself. Hell, the other two the Doctor saved would probably end up being hounded for the rest of their lives. The Doctor was horrified that he had forced her to kill herself and by extension, change how she was perceived by the world even if her granddaughter still ended up the same.

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

In doing so she dies even more of a hero, dying to stop The Doctor from going mad with power and becoming a new version of The Master. The world will never understand the true meaning of her sacrifice and she dies with no glory or visible honour- her heroism will ever only be known and understood by The Doctor himself.

[@mikedoge5559]

Altough if you look in the media report about 2 survivors...you can notice at the bottom how they talk about "mythical Doctor" that aided them to return to Earth...it still seems they were heroes and could even explain that on Mars there is a danger in the water...as for Adelaide, it may be a mystery for everyone why she commited suicide but they are still seen as heroes

[@9manny99]

I mean that’s why he know takes people like this somewhere else to die of old age. Could’ve just spread the rumor she died.

[@mattsa9540]

You know the more i think about it he didn't just robbed Adelaide of her death, he robbed her of her legacy. While she did die a hero because of the doctor, he literally put his name on her legacy. Adelaide's granddaughter will go into space looking for the doctor trying to find answers for her grandmother's suicide. She won't go off into space because of the dalek that spared her grandmother it'll all be about the doctor

[@anubis7457]

The Doctor says that originally no one knew why Adelaide had blown up the compound and her crew, now people know for sure she wasn’t a psycho.

[@papalazarou1353]

This scene just proves that if he didn’t save Wilfred when he’s locked in the chamber in the end of time part 2 he would have become something so much more darker

[@alkrolyd]

There is a canonical comic, cannot remember the name, but it shows what would happen if the Tenth Doctor chose not to save Wilfred Mott. He becomes the Time Lord Victorious completely, takes over the entire universe, until he is murdered with a weapon that disables regeneration.

[@papalazarou1353]

Splasher Blaster, yes I read it. that’s why I mentioned Wilfred. That’s the comic where 10, 11 and 12 meet at the exact same place and they all see themselves in alternate positions. The 12th doctors alternate was the bad in the end.

[@johnroach9026]

Whats the name of the comic?

[@iceomistar4302]

Well start looking at Big Finish because you will be impressed

[@LordPhobos6502]

If he didn't save Wilf that alone would have made him something darker. He knew it was coming. He knew he could gave walked away from Wilf. And he didn't. ❤

[@thethistlegunner]

David tennant being dark is terrifying for some reason

[@michaelfryers1914]

I think it's because he's normally so happy and giddy, so when he suddenly goes dark, it really contrasts with how he normmaly is

[@astridkjellberg]

don't watch jessica jones then

[@euangray7396]

@@astridkjellberg what a performance that was

[@danhill2546]

Ikr

[@Faulty720]

Am I the only one that wants a couple of episodes darker than this

[@Project2025WILLRUINYOURLIFE]

fifty shades darker if you ask me ;)

[@sparky10142]

Right ur on ur way to a smack on the bottom

[@lidge1994]

Yes and no, I wanna see a bit more of the arrogant doctor, but I don't want my perception of the Doctors to change

[@EuanFoulis]

Not Me Heaven sent got pretty dark by the end. It was basically the doctor being tortured for 45 minutes

[@ElizaKurosawa]

Revieuan Foulis That's another reason why I absolutely loved Heaven Sent. It's just this grueling hour long episode where the doctor just struggles and has to get by without a companion and figure out the mysterious castle by himself while the monster is chasing at him. The shock of the doctor dying over and over again was my favorite part of the episode, the genius of the time loop in my opinion was the greatest part of the episode and just showed how great the 12th doctor could be when the gave him the right script, the time loop also shows how angry and dedicated the doctor is and that's the main driving force of the doctor in this episode. Once again this episode also shows how persistent the doctor can be. Being stuck in a time loop for millions up millions of years, dying and dying over and over again, punching an impossible wall to get to the time lords. Oh sweet baby ballsacks, Heaven Sent was an amazing episode and I was looking forward to Hell Bent. And He'll Bent totally lived up to those expectations (Obvious *SARCASM DETECTED* )

[@LiamReece]

Donna was right this whole time, he needs someone with him to stop him from going too far.

[@lizzymarlow5208]

rose would've enabled it...the slut

[@ineffablemars]

That’s why it makes donnas fate even more sad

[@LiamReece]

@xana7617 what

[@CJ-ov6mj]

​@@LiamReece they're implying that because the doctor has saved earth he basically "owns" its fate and can do whatever he wants which is a terrible take.

[@LiamReece]

@@CJ-ov6mj I know, the previous comment seemed to take it personally that’s all but the doctor has his own rule of changing timelines and he’s broken it that’s all I meant

[@somebuddyX]

I love the acting in this but man the music is just amazing.

[@colinjensen]

The Ood are singing that song as they telepathically observe the universe, and the Doctor can hear it. He takes Ood Sigma's presence to be somewhat of a grim reaping, which it was, but Sigma was not there to kill him but comfort him in his time of death and to lift him up so he could face the Master, despite sensing the inevitable.

[@blackham7]

No its the BBC Orchestra of Whales.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

The Waters of Mars is one of the darkest Doctor Who stories ever made and one of the best of the DT era.

[@blackham7]

Daniel Williamson This is what Steven Moffat promised but didn't deliver lol.

[@colinjensen]

I liked the story, but the whole Time Lord Victorious thing came out of nowhere, wasn't explained well enough, and didn't really last past one episode. I know Moffatt thought it was an arc, but zero empathetic viewers thought he might crack and zero thought he had to die or was no longer worthy of the name Doctor after saving that woman.

[@Soliy87]

One of my favorite Scenes from Nu Who when The doctor says "Tough" creeped me out so bad. it just shows that if the Doc let go like this he would be a monster

[@Whofan06]

It's both interesting and scary when they give us that little tidbit of bad guy in him to show us we should be damn glad we're on his side. The Master actually kind of does that too, the Doctor isn't too different from him, he just actually tries to keep his head on his shoulders.

[@matthewhowarth7412]

The moment when you realise that The Valeyard is not too far a leap from The TImelord Victorious

[@McBlokeados]

"A good man doesn't need rules", remember?

[@darcybrummett7004]

Matthew Howarth I never thought of that. You know you're a major Doctor Who fan when you don't have to ask about "The Valeyard."

[@nathanlabrador7664]

True. The Doctor holds an immense power held back only with responsibility-- imagine if he cut that responsibility fully loose. God help us all.

[@jasonking7570]

1:40 "still, that's easy." That line. That small, seemingly insignificant line. The way he says that scares me. He isnt just saying opening the door is easy. Hes saying, compared to someone who can change the whole of history, who can make time itself bend to his will, a locked door is nothing.

[@theeinertia4106]

the sonic screwdriver doesn't work on wood or organic matter without technical properties yet the time lord victorious did it on seconds

[@ostsarahb7466]

What’s scary also is that this is a display of power and a form of intimidation. He’s threatening her, basically

[@caitlinsparkle7717]

@@ostsarahb7466 What scares me was the glimpse of the odd just standing there. 😟😨

[@rlacksgh9673]

Doctor, the man who fights monsters, turns out to be the biggest monster of them all: Time Lord Victorious.

[@Tasorius]

"The biggest monster of them all"... The person who wants to save everyone is worse than the one who wants to kill everyone...?

[@CaptainFirespitter]

Tasorius it is monstrous if saving everyone means destroying everything else in the process, regardless of the obvious consequences. And the doctor came so damn close here to becoming that dark entity. A dark god almost. Thankfully not obviously.

[@MrDalek2150]

@@CaptainFirespitter Basically for reference see the alternate timeline Valeyard from the audio story "He who Jests at Scars". In that timeline the Valeyard won. I think that says enough if you know who and what the Valeyard is.

[@zoltanracz5591]

Only a bigger monster can defeat other monsters and often that monster hide under the surface.

[@darcybrummett7004]

Julius KIm Definitely not his finest moment.

[@themadhammer3305]

the first time i saw this i honestly thought Adelaide was going to shoot the doctor in the back, with her speech about 'theres noone left to stop you.' I thought it was inevitable

[@coleturner9106]

That's how the next regeneration should happen. Twelfth doctor goes too far, like he has done already, or worse, and someone attacks him to stop him. Then his new incarnation learns from this and starts anew.

[@themadhammer3305]

cole turner capaldi would be the best doctor in a while to do this with as he seems to have a much darker side than david tennant or matt smith

[@qwot1]

It certainly looks like she thought about it. Maybe, after his display of power and arrogance, she wondered if she COULD kill him; or possibly was afraid of what would happen if she tried and missed.

[@drummerboi357]

@@qwot1 to be fair the biggest thing she could was kill herself what way to dimish his authority and power to do the one thing he could do. He claims he's as powerful as he said but if she dies then that knocks him down a peg

[@AC9123]

I think by killing herself, Adelaide was proving he couldn't save her... or something. But yeah o_O

[@z-rex6068]

This embodies why the Russel T Davies era was so great. Miss these episodes, the music gives me goosebumps too. This and the Doctor's regeneration are very beautiful but dark/sad scenes.

[@TemptingNoise]

Any good character should have flaws, and issues they have deal with about themselves. None of the current characters of the show are like this. Can't wait for his return

[@dylanrinker6831]

@@TemptingNoise what do you think he'll do next?

[@TemptingNoise]

@@dylanrinker6831 hopefully something completely different but happy if it was just a continuation of before

[@geoffreyprior8931]

Him and Moffat both were good at making amazing episodes.

[@Teauma]

@@geoffreyprior8931 Moffat was amazing at coming up with exciting ideas, with complex continuity, mind-swaying creatures, but one thing that I really didn't like was how obsessed he was with the "cool epicness" of his character. Too many grand speeches, too many people talking in awe of the Doctor. Russel T Davies had a far better grasp on how to show such a weird character, and this shows a lot here. Because he's overall a bit more subdued, him getting off the rail is a lot more memorable.

[@mudflap1264]

I want The Doctor to get this dark and kinda evil, it's so fascinating to see your hero become the villain sometimes.

[@zlee001]

he will someday become a villain you know. when he was 6th one of his villain was his future self. i forgot his name.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

zact lee I believe you are thinking of the Valeyard, a twisted version of himself that I think is supposed to be his final regeneration. Not sure about that though, the old show was infamous for changing its lore on a whim so that may never come to pass anyways, I liked that plot and character though.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

zact lee I believe you are thinking of the Valeyard, a twisted version of himself that I think is supposed to be his final regeneration. Not sure about that though, the old show was infamous for changing its lore on a whim so that may never come to pass anyways, I liked that plot and character though.

[@somerandomguy2073]

ChaosSandwhich: The Valeyard was an amalgamation of the darker side of his nature between his 12th and final regeneration - i.e. between this doctor (if we count in regenerations, which I think was the intention of the Valeyard) and his final death. He was sort of like the dream lord in series 5.

[@sapphiclinos]

Lord Minty that's why I love the 11th doctor. 11 is all goofy and funny until you get on his nerves. He's my favourite (writing-wise)

[@joemcgurk7226]

"If a Time Lord had that power, he'd be a God, a vengeful God." This scene made me feel like we got a glimpse into the reality of those words that Ten spoke to Captain Jack, and it gave me chills. Tennant's eyes and his expression when he's explaining the Time Lord victorious, it sells the whole thing perfectly. It's such a damn shame we don't get to see this kind of writing in Doctor Who anymore.

[@rav_enxx]

Thanks god Russell Davies is coming back to the show

[@thunder_heads]

10 slowly went insane because he watched everyone he loved leave or die

[@mendesarmy1235]

Yes! He said ‘they break my heart’ :(

[@altinaykor364]

he wasn't that much insane to manipulate people into committing genocide though, and he wasn't insane in his last hours

[@SuperflyGaming]

The way the 10th doctor went was sad, he wanted to do best for everyone, always gleeful and cheery, but in the end all his friends left him or moved on, the weight of the time war on him and finally, near the end - all that sadness came out as this, with well intent - for it to turn him dark. How ironic, and cruel. Fight not with monsters and all that.

[@screechingloser4643]

well said

[@nullpoint3346]

He'd still be saving people for a while before then.

[@TheDevonnMarieShow]

if the doctor could get away with this , he would be able to get away with everything that has gone wrong. This incarnation was in love with Rose what would stop him from preventing her fall into the parallel universe and throwing someone else in it. Donna keeping her memory , saving River Song and having someone else scarifice themselves.. "If a TimeLord had that sort of power they would become a god.. a vengeful god" -The Doctor , from Utopia..

[@Eric-yt7fp]

He wouldn't have given Donna her memory back, 'cause it would have killed her. He'd have probably tried to prevent Rose from being lost in a parallel universe, though, for sure. I do wish they would have explored this idea more, the whole Timelord Victorious thing. It had real potential.

[@danielhudson5424]

TheDevonnMarieShow I Know I'm Four Years Late From Replying But Thanks to Timey-Wimey That Could of Happened To The Master as Missy When The Dr Helps Missy Become Good But It's The Master in One of His Earlier Incarnations Before The Missy Became The Master in 70's Who. All This By Saving People and Having Not Much Memory of Before Makes The Timelady/lord an Evil Vengeful God-dess Wannabe.

[@rawyld]

He could of done this for Adric as well, but he couldn't no matter how the pain. Time is one big linear, you cannot change it no matter what.

[@timelordastrodo6408]

@@Eric-yt7fp there's a new audio book out about it 😁😁😁😁

[@josephd548]

@@Eric-yt7fp Actually, in the comic story The Crimson Hand, there was this superpower device called Manus Maleficus, which could alter all forms of reality and change history in a twink; the Doctor knew that it could restore Donna's memories without her burning up and was briefly tempted to use it for that purpose, but soon thought better of it. And yeah, as TheDevonnMarieShow points out, it is definitely best that not even the Doctor should have that much power because it changes him/her for the worse. And of course, without a companion to keep him in check, you're greeted with a foe more terrible even than the Daleks, one who tries to control time itself rather than doing the proper job of preserving it etc. And finally, the whole TLV thing is being explored in a currently running audio series for Big Finish, which I'm sure you'll find a good listen. Well wishes fellow traveller.

[@sheridan5175]

"How did she die?" "She came back from space after blowing up her own space station and then proceeded to shoot herself. Her surviving crewmates went insane and started raving about water demons." "Yeah, I'm not going to space." And that was how the earth's galactic empire died. Even if that doesn't happen, the damage has already been done. History has been drastically altered and killing herself will only alter it in a different way. She achieved nothing other than to prove that the doctor can't save everyone.

[@spongeyspikes09]

Did that really happened? Are the flashes 10 was seeing just was what he was thinking?

[@EditedAF987]

@@spongeyspikes09 no, it’s been shown in other forms of media that Timelords can sense when history has changed and will even be able to see the specifics

[@spongeyspikes09]

@@EditedAF987 so those news articles 10 was seeing is what happened in the new revised timeline and that Adelaide's granddaughter continued her legacy?

[@EditedAF987]

@@spongeyspikes09 probably

[@dstanthony]

Yeah, humans can't into time.. that's Time Lord business.

[@ben6993]

This is as dark as it gets. David Tennant is such a superb doctor. I can't even find the words to describe it.

[@ripleyjlawman.3162]

This is the only good moment the 'Tenth' Doctor has...sadly nothing actually builds up to it in terms of character development.

[@darthmetallus1977]

@@ripleyjlawman.3162 You apparently didn't watch it then. Oops.

[@ostsarahb7466]

James Lawman I have to disagree. Everything from Ten’s very first episode has led him to this moment. The way he kills the Sycorax without even looking at it, the way he brought down Harriet Jones, how he almost used the Skasis paradigm to become a god, how he lost Rose, how he killed the Racnoss’ children, how he became human and took John Smith’s life, how he punished the family of blood, losing the Master, killing everyone in Pompeii even if he didn’t want too, losing his daughter, losing Donna. He was shown time and time again to be arrogant, self-righteous, and only followed the rules his people established reluctantly. Everything kept reminding him of how he was the last of his kind. He was still traumatized from the war. Rose helped him recover, but he lost her. And once that happened he kept losing people. He kept repeating how sorry he was but you could tell he was trying to convince himself, because he could be so unapologetic when he showed his true self. There was just so much turmoil within himself. He snapped. Even during Nine’s era you could see hints of all of that. That character arc spanned four seasons.

[@altinaykor364]

@@ripleyjlawman.3162 The only good moment? how wrong you can be! and there was so much build up for this

[@XezeMaster]

Powerful moment right here! The Doctor should have remembered the words from his first self: "You cannot change history. Not one line!"

[@simnyvg5360]

but he manage to change a word that's something

[@DarthRushy]

"History is rewritten all the time." says his eleventh self.

[@theZEUShub99]

DarthRushy "Time can be rewritten...time can be unwritten!" - The Eleventh Doctor, one of my favourite quotes from the show.

[@Tasorius]

Those words are false.

[@rohverr]

In my opinion, this was one of the best written episodes of Doctor Who. Watching what happens to the Doctor when he travels alone for too long, without a companion to keep him stable. He becomes dark, bitter and a megalomaniac - he isn’t “The Doctor” anymore, he’s “The Timelord Victorious”. What Adelaide did was a huge act of selflessness, not just for her sake but the world’s sake, she understood how important it is to not change time. This episode was singlehandedly one of the most terrifying but deep episodes.

[@puppycatsbee]

i mean he shouldn't have really told her about it in the first place cause it half felt like she did it just cause he said she had to.

[@camerono.3183]

Adelaide killed herself to save the universe from the tyrannical timelord victorious. By beating him at his own egotistical game of being judge, jury, and executioner of human beings. She did it to save her family from being alive only because of his jurisdiction.

[@AzureKyle]

@@camerono.3183 I always thought she did it just to spite him.

[@gamercore7833]

@@camerono.3183 yeh but she didnt reset the timeline it still changed She died on earth not mars and 2 members of her crew are alive now. She didnt fix it she just stopped the doctor from being the timelord victorious

[@DavidSmithsTardis]

Yeah you can also see this in the 2006 Christmas Special "The Runaway Bride" and "Turn Left". If Donna wasn't there to stop him he would've stayed and gone too far.

[@VividSause]

This one scene is darker than the entire series 8.

[@VividSause]

***** Kill the Moon was only one episode (out of 12) and I think it failed miserably. I didn't see any difference between series 5,6 ,7 and this one.

[@VividSause]

***** No... I don't think so... Sure, there was a different Doctor (and an amazing one, I love Capaldi) but I didn't feel any change in the overall quality and tone of the stories.

[@blackham7]

VividSauce I agree I missed these occasional serious episodes where its not all fun and games like this and the impossible planet where lives were really at stake

[@DarthRushy]

VividSauce I think most people perceive the series as different due to Peter Capaldi's presence. That and all the Clara angst. But other than that, yeah, it's pretty much the same, right down to the Matt Smith speeches and oneliners.

[@DarthRushy]

***** Sarah Jane was non-submissive. Clara is draconian. Why would you like a horrible person like that?

[@ApolloXL5]

This scene really showed one of the underlining themes to David Tennant's run as the Doctor, that he needed a companion alongside him to stop the Time Lord from going too far. Just as both Donna and Martha had warned him earlier.

[@Lythgoemania]

I think they did this in "A town called Mercy" as well, which was in the Smith era.

[@Matheus21video]

And Rose in the Episode "Dalek" With nine.

[@levelwhat]

The musical queue after the Doctor says "Tough" gets me every time. She's literally taken aback, with a little half step in her footing.

[@jflores85]

this scene right here, is why I cant wait to see David Tennant as the villian in Jessica Jones.

[@magiv4205]

+Naniun. NOOW, JESSICAA!!

[@winchesternath6449]

+Magi V im watching jessica jones and david tennant is just AWESOME ! !

[@americanninja1200]

Come back here! JESSSICAAAAA!

[@princeofhope7436]

SMILE!!!

[@ElizaKurosawa]

JESSICA! COME HERE *JESSICA!*

[@robertbarnard6120]

the 10th doctor's darkest moment ever

[@ripleyjlawman.3162]

Sure, you could say that...if there had been actual character development setting it up...and if it hadn't been resolved so quickly...never to brought up again.

[@kraken1469]

@@ripleyjlawman.3162 thats not what the 10th doctor was tho

[@GMMReviews]

James Lawman .. WHAT? The entirety of RTD’s era was leading up to this. Constant development of what the time war was, his love for Rose, and his heartbreak of losing her, the vision Donna saw, of a world where she never stopped him, when he went too far, and lost his life, then losing Donna too, the Master, the only other time lord, his best friend, his arch enemy, dying in his arms, everything he had ever done, trying to save people, almost always ending in death, constantly talking about the rules of time, holding him back from saving people, never wanting to be alone, always travelling with somebody, until Davros showed him his true self, that he never uses weapons, but fashions his companions into them, all culminating in a prophesy of his death, for the first time he saw the truth, that the only people that held the laws of time were dead, he was alone, he had the power to save people, and nobody to stop him. The entire series, from 2005, was leading up to this moment, and it was masterfully done. The reason it was never continued, is because Steven Moffat took over, and fucked the whole show up.

[@crowley7683]

@@ripleyjlawman.3162 never to be brought up again? Did you not watch the scene with him and wilfred mott in the diner before going to face the master?

[@jeffreychongsathien]

"Time Lord Victorious" to this day is still such a magnificent turn of phrase. It rang around in my head for days after hearing it the first time. The acting resonates with the script to such a powerful effect. Amazing scene.

[@Comrade_Nikolai]

We need more episodes like this, the library and blink. The 'scary' ones are the best.

[@Cynthesia]

What i really dont see is why everyone says that blink is scary it's not

[@kasyanchik]

corrupetedfrost weeping angels are scary, but not during 10th Doctor's series, they were scary as 11th Doctor moved in though.

[@KingOfTheInterWebs]

Kenneth Nyström Ok... what? You're just making things up. The cracks have nothing to do with the join between the normal universe and Pete's World and Captain Jack did nothing in Utopia to create an alternate timeline. Sure The Year that Never Was happened but that's different due to how it was created and erased and since The Doctor was at the centre of it all, it's still this timeline's Doctor. As for the crack timeline in series 5, everyone is the same person in the two timelines, I can't go into too much detail because the exact science behind the two timelines was never explained. And there is no '1963' timeline. Doctor Who began in 1963 and is still going in 2014 with a gap between 1989 and 2005 obviously. Sure there have been various time paradoxes, changes in the timeline and what have you but there is no 'our' Doctor or '1963 timeline' and it's impossible to work out The Doctor's real name since they only told us once and that was written in the background, of the tomb of Rassilon, in Old High Gallifreyan.

[@willdagreat1826]

corrupetedfrost How is it humanly possible to not call that episode scary?

[@Cynthesia]

Will Muse i dont know i just thought that it was not scary

[@kafdita]

Thank you, Adelaide, for saving The Doctor. I felt myself very empty watching this scene. Dante's Inferno in his eyes: "Abandon all hope". Tennant... what to say. He is more than amazing. He does not play the Doctor. He acts possesed by The Doctor.

[@DorianMichaelsIII]

Fitting, actually, given that it was the Doctor (specifically, Peter Davison as the Fifth Doctor) that spurred Tennant's interest in acting to begin with, which would lead him to getting cast as the Tenth Doctor, so many years later. Plus, a bonus-- Tennant is married to Peter Davison's daughter, meaning that the Tenth Doctor has the Fifth Doctor as his father-in-law.

[@jalengarcia2912]

DorianMichaelsIII

[@drxshock6957]

"For a long time now I thought I was just a survivor, but I'm not. I'm the winner. That's who I am. The Time Lord Victorious." Scariest moment in DW history

[@nikhilrathod5366]

Or maybe we should say, David is the doctor. All the other new doctors are the 9th, the 11th, the 12th, the 13th but he? Oh no! He is The Doctor.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Nonsense. This Woman was a bad leader; portraded so the entire episode long. ?

[@bacsilva]

I love that someone wrote "Grandmother Legacy Intact", as if they knew the Doctor almost messed it up.

[@AlexBadger]

'hello sweetie' 🤨 Possible theory there? Or it could be some other time traveler I guess.

[@geraldrowan8960]

I love how he opens the door like "I really can do anything I want watch me"

[@williamhartnell3096]

it's wood

[@0-Noony-0]

+William Hartnell He pointed at the lock tho! 😜

[@darthmetallus1977]

@@williamhartnell3096 The lock wasn't, dude. It wouldn't last long if it was.

[@Brogan_Balfour_Crescent]

I love the subtle mix of anger, disgust and horror on her face when he says “…some little people”

[@benjaminhondorp8593]

0:12 oh the beautiful irony of the line: "different details but the story stays the same" and then at 2:44 the simple interchanging of Mars with Earth. different detail, but the story, that of Cpt. Adelaide's death, stays the same Irony at its best

[@SirMicahBroch]

@James Phelps that she died on earth and not Mars

[@SirMicahBroch]

@James Phelps I literally just said

[@SirMicahBroch]

@James Phelps nothing really changed

[@MagikarpPoop]

9 changed to become kinder, he grew out of this warhero into a kind person, completely in love with Rose. He even sacrificed himself for her. It was so heartwarming to see 9 go through this change into a good person, but when 10 was born as that good, warm, kind person and had everything taken away from him, it broke my heart in so many ways. I cried like a baby at his regeneration, Not only was he my favourite doctor, David Tennant portrayed this role SO WELL. The time lord victorious still breaks my heart. Tears. Tears everywhere.

[@suncore598]

The losses of the Tenth Doctor broke my heart as well. But the way I see it, the Eleventh Doctor was the previous Doctor's chance at a fresh start in more ways than one.

[@MagikarpPoop]

suncore598 I agree completely.

[@StrifeSoul990]

suncore598 True but 11 in my opinion was darker. He did depraved things. He destroyed an entire cyber legion to prove a point. He was ready to sacrifice Kahler Jex to the Gunslinger. I think the losses have begin to eat at him. Look at the way 12 acts.

[@suncore598]

StrifeSoul990 I meant the Eleventh Doctor started out as a chance at a fresh start. That changed over time.

[@Kasparovwannabe]

StrifeSoul990 I just hate that they didn't BUILD on that or emphasize it. The destruction of the cybermen would've haunted 10 (and does) but they just pass over it.

[@WHO_is_on_first]

But can you imagine how scary the doctor is to Adelaide? This godlike figure who knows everything about her, tells her about her death, and then saves her anyway. She doesnt understand what a Time Lord is or why hes victorious but you can see it terrify her

[@mimiHTcat]

the scariest part of this scene is when the doctor implies that he would value and prioritize certain lives over others, that some are more “important” than others, that he sees those he deems less important as “little people”. even the face he pulls is just. so villainous and chilling.

[@MatthewStephensAU]

Donna: You need someone to stop you. Usually, when the Companions act as the Time Lord's concience, he's only semi-aware of it. Because when even the Laws of the entire Universe can't hold him back, a look from a human girl can. Usually, they get to go home when their time is over. This dame's time ended twenty minutes later than it should have, but she did what any of the fan-favorites would have done. And so, for one shining moment, Adelaide becomes a True Companion.

[@GMMReviews]

Doctor your Kilgrave is showing ...

[@magiv4205]

My words, my words... JJ is amazing. KILGRAVE IS AMAZING.

[@CH3353N1NJ45]

+Magi V Kilgrave is The Valeyard Confirmed

[@Tasorius]

Cause kindness is as bad as cruelty, if not worse...? Nice logic...

[@billyshire5482]

Tasorius It's not his kindness that's bad, it's his feelings of complete control

[@rowdyeggplaad578]

Stop before he yell for everyone to Shut Up

[@Jodacro-it4zz]

3:03 the fear on his face when he realised he went too far, my god, this episode was one of the best

[@sp0nser]

So so VERY close to having victorious be his new identity, I was at the edge of my seat watching this scene. It shocked me...

[@metacrisis47]

It's scary seeing the Doctor turn so dark. Having him declare himself the Time Lord Victorious and essentially taking control of time and death, you can really see elements of the Time Lords during the last days of the Time War.

[@tommiddleton6590]

For those of you that are confused about the timeline: 1) Waters of Mars 2) Day of The Doctor 3) End of Time Because the Doctor becomes arrogant in WOM and manipulates time, as shown here. Then he travels to 16th century England where he meets and marries Elizabeth I, whilst in 16th Century England he tries to justify his actions here and come to terms with what he did. This is mentioned in the first part of EOT when the Doctor says to Ood Sigma “Did this and that, saved a planet. Got married! That was a mistake” by saving that planet he was trying to justify his actions here and prove to himself he’s not the arrogant and manipulative man we see here. He could only remember parts of DOTD because the timelines were out of sync - which is why he remembered marrying Elizabeth I after the episode but didn’t know why she was mad at him in The Shakespeare Code (because he said he’d “be right back” but obviously never did return), because for him DOTD hadn’t happened yet. Also the reason his hair is down is to show that after WOM he slipped into a period of depression. Now in EOT, The Doctor can only remember parts of DOTD so for him, he’d just returned from WOM. Which is why he’s so conflicted in himself. He blames himself for The Master’s actions and mentions to Wilfred that he manipulated people (WOM). Then just before he saves Wilfred, and he has his dramatic tangent in his ‘I could do so much more’ speech, the arrogance from WOM resurfaces as he criticises Wilfred by saying “You has to go and get stuck! Because that’s who you are! But me? I could do so much more. SO MUCH MORE!” Which insinuates he means he could do more than Wilfred, because he’s ‘better than him’ and Wilfred is one of the ‘little people’. You’re welcome :)

[@nullpoint3346]

Thank you.

[@davidtucker9498]

It's about humility. Call it God, fate, the universe, the Doctor had to swallow his pride, and recognize that he was just a man, not a god. That ALL sentient life in the universe matters, not just him. He can't control everything, no matter how powerful or clever he thinks he is. He was forced to be humble and submit to fate, and he did the right thing, the loving thing, in sacrificing himself for Wilfred, an old, average man, because the Doctor recognized that he was no less valuable than himself....

[@malcolmmorin]

David's hair is only like this because he was filming for something else.

[@luke8801]

Thing is, he was 904 in DOTD and 906 in EOT, that’s a long depression

[@adrianmartinez90979]

Oh yes !! All this Time Lord Victorious thing also made him go through an emo phase because of guilt and then he got a bowl cut. Explains the emo hair that instead of his spiky hair in Day of the Doctor lmaoooo

[@IvanTheGhostboy]

"No one should have that much power." "I missed the part where that's my problem."

[@Highteeeee]

This single scene just proves how versatile Ten was. He wasn't always happy and weird, he could be very scary (look at his eyes!). This is one of the greatest moments of the new series.

[@daleksvscybermen]

I loved David Tennant as the ''dark Doctor''. Even though we've all come to respect him as the greatest hero the universe has ever seen, we forget that this character first appeared willing to smash someone's head in with a rock for a quick escape. That arrogant old man is always burning beneath the surface.

[@juckoosaurus]

daleksvscybermen geez remember human nature and family of blood, the punishements he dished out was dark as hell

[@JessCaron]

+daleksvscybermen Wait when did he want to smash somebody's head in with a rock?

[@KamenRiderGumo]

+Jess Caron In the very first adventure, "An Unearthly Child". Not going to dish out spoilers, but if you can watch it at all (it's on Hulu Plus in its entirety) you owe it to yourself as a Whovian to do so.

[@JessCaron]

+KamenRiderGumo I will soonas I get an off term!

[@DarthRayj]

+daleksvscybermen I love how with Capaldi it burns just a bit closer to the surface ;) although he does use it to do good, even if his methods could be argued with sometimes.

[@robertchaney2704]

The ending of this scene where he comes to his senses is amazing. Because the doctor just realized, after running from Gallifrey because he was scared of all their horrible myths and legends. In an attempt to escape it all he became a legend himself. He became the very thing he feared and was trying to escape. 12 went through a similar thing where he litter lay became the Hybrid.

[@StardustWhip]

Changing history to fit his idea of what it should be... pretty much says "Whatever" when people call him on it... Oh my God. THE DOCTOR TURNED INTO GEORGE LUCAS.

[@madmoblin]

+Magatsu Orpheus *Doctor inserts bad CGI in old episodes*

[@PlanetZoidstar]

+madmoblin The Absorbaloff is the key to all of this, it'll be great if we can get him to work because he's the funniest character we've ever had.

[@madmoblin]

Greatsaiyakirby Oh my god the Absprbaloff I forgot about that thing. A monstrosity for the wrong reasons.

[@JessCaron]

Magatsu Orpheus NEW FAVORITE COMMENT ON THIS VIDEO

[@TheSkully343]

William Hartnell shall be digitally replaced by Matt Smith.

[@MiniatureRanni]

Such a potent and powerful scene

[@MiniatureRanni]

MrSplodgeySplodge No, it most certainly isn't...

[@Uncivilcivilservice]

MrSplodgeySplodge But nor were a lot of other locks, if the door is made of wood it shouldn't work

[@VGHistory1]

Éponine Thénardier〈3 Dude the LOCK is metal, which is what the Doctor was targeting. It WILL work on metal and that's what the Doctor was aiming at. Why are you so strung up about this?

[@wykart932]

"I'm the winner" chills. Everytime. I remember this being the first time the Doctor actually freaked me out as a kid and I realised that he wasn't always a good guy, that he needed his companions for this very reason :))

[@lord-of-monkeys5258]

Didn't see enough of the Timelord Victorious. Would've been great to have seen more of this darker Doctor.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Yeah.

[@macrocosm2778]

Not too much though just for a few more episodes

[@TimSenna]

The Doctor's actual darkest hour, mainly because of the subtlety with which this scene was crafted an executed. By contrast A Good Man Goes To War feels overblown and underwhelming

[@សេរ៉ាហ្វ]

+Tim Senna (timontheradio) This and Heaven Sent^^ But dark for different reasons. :)

[@TimSenna]

***** Oh yeah heaven sent was a massive return to form :)

[@SceneSurgeSnippets]

...and Hell Bent was a massive letdown.

[@ToxicBalloon360]

I could never take Matt's Doctor seriously whenever he supposedly went "bad guy mode" for a bit. It was never executed properly, nor did it really fit Matt's type of Doctor.

[@TimSenna]

ToxicBalloon360 Exactly! He just lacked the gravitas of Tennant in this ep

[@redjirachi1]

The Valeyard was meant to be between the 12th and final incarnation This is the 11th incarnation, or 12th if you count him eating into his reserves In short, Adelaide Brooke didn't just stop the Doctor from going dark, she stopped the Valeyard himself

[@rossjones8426]

Chibnal(" ding dong the Valeyards dead Chibnal's timeless child retconned him out Chibnal said there's no final Regeneration since the Doctor isn't a Timelord Ding Dong the Valeyard canons dead.').

[@rayman2902]

@@rossjones8426 well theoretically all that means is that the doctor has unlimited regenerations, but people can still be killed in the process of regeneration or just choose not to regenerate what the 12th doctor almost dead so there could be a final incarnation of the doctor out there we just don’t know which one it is and it’s not necessarily bound to a number of regenerations

[@rossjones8426]

@@rayman2902 but it throws out the plot of the episode the Valeyard wanted the sixth Doctor regeneration energy to restore his regeneration cycle while the Doctor being Gallifreyian was canon now the Doctor can restore his unlimited regenerations by retrieving the original DNA of the Doctors younger timeless child self and use fobwatch to reset his Physiology back to original settings.

[@RosstorWho]

I really hope this is the kind of Doctor Peter Capaldi will be. Dark. Not all of the time but enough to make us slightly wonder what he will do next.

[@AndrozaniCritic1999]

There is some McCoy in Capaldi, which is great.

[@Daioblis]

Now, what happened to all of the comments that were here?

[@drummerboi357]

+RosstorWho well he left earth to decide whether to kill a creature inside the moon didn't save ayone or nothing just left the earth to choose i think that's dark :D

[@PeregrineX7]

+RosstorWho So far that is who he is. SPOILERS FOR SEASON 9: He saved someone just like this when he resurrected Ashildr and made her immortal, and the consequences of that were extremely widespread, climaxing with the death of Clara. All because 12 decided he was the master of time, just like 10 did here. And now going into the final episode of the season, he seems to have forgotten all sense of mercy altogether.... He is quickly climbing the ranks to join Tom Baker and David Tenant as the best Doctors ever! (IMO of course)

[@marcussavina2726]

ITS ME ROSS nope

[@zacherycounts2359]

I can't be the only one who liked him when we went this way with all this power am i?

[@JessCaron]

+Zachery Counts Other people do too!

[@Lucasp110]

I liked it, that's how timelords should be: Gods

[@mkevin1104]

+Lucasp110 maybe thats what started the timewar

[@Tasorius]

I did too, but apparently a lot of idiots think that wanting to save everyone makes him as bad as the ones who want to kill everyone...

[@chaosmiles07]

"Tough." Said it just like the Master did.

[@carucath97]

The bit when you notice that Brooke was born in 1999, technically making her younger than you (even though you're not even 20 yet)

[@mendesarmy1235]

Wow I didn’t notice! I was born in the same year. She was so young!

[@sophieanneburd4109]

She died in 2059 making her 60, just a year older than the actress at the time

[@alitheakorogane]

She's born on the same year as me!

[@astridkjellberg]

and one of the crew members is supposed to be born this year, 2021. one of them was born in 2008. jeez.

[@alexander9703]

You can make yourself feel younger by watching Harry Potter and remembering that he and his friends were born in the late 1970s aha xD

[@JonathanToolonie]

I cried when I saw this scene. This scene was a symbolic reminder of the responsibility of time travel.

[@art_lobe]

What hits hard about this is that she begged him to save her before. She was terrified of dying, but still chose death after being given the chance to live, because the Doctor needed this lesson

[@The8BitPianist]

I almost forgot how awesome David Tennant is! Matt Smith is also great, but David Tennant is just the best doctor!^^

[@CzarStephen]

Yes he is. I wish his cloak was cheaper...

[@SuperSonic68]

I like 10, but I like 4 better!

[@MrKennyCakemouth]

4 was best, 11 was second and 10 was 3rd according to DWM

[@thefamousstranger9569]

I can never choose between 10 and 11 but 11 was my doctor and for me they was pinnacle of doctor who Started with (then) 9 finished with 13.

[@solarisone1082]

*Christopher Eccleston :P

[@vinex1865]

River Song once said "To the people of the Gamma forest, the word "doctor" means mighty warrior. How far you've come."

[@fetusthegreat9797]

I love the way he says "tough". No matter how anyone feels about it, he does have that much power. Thats why he needs people around him to keep him in check.

[@Sindizwe]

I know everyone always praises David Tennant's performance in this episode, and it is glorious, but the episode is really a two-hander. It would not land as hard without Lindsay Duncan.

[@tomnorton4277]

Lindsay Duncan didn't become a household name until her later years but the woman is an acting powerhouse. To quote Toph Beifong "I know! And I'm an old lady! Imagine me in my prime!"

[@NuiJagaa]

The brilliance of the scene to me is how the Doctor's newfound arrogance is undermined so, so quickly. He thinks he's the only one with the power in this scene, thinks no one can stop him from doing and changing events as he pleases, and one normal woman with a gun and immense conviction undoes it immediately. He might not have called her one, but you just know that the only difference between her and the 'little people' to him in that moment is that she pushes the historical dominos in the right direction - she's not *really* any different from them. He now decides who lives and who doesn't, what does and doesn't happen. And then immediately she simply says 'no' , rips that power out of his hands and he's brought crashing down to reality. The 'little people' he so easily demeaned only moments before were the only reason the timeline wasn't wrecked due to his need for self satisfaction; he didn't need to hear the singing to know he'd gone too far, and nearly caused irreparable damage.

[@issakelly8071]

But isn't his arrogance and self-importance so absolutely human? How many of us would become the Time Lord Victorious if we had the chance? How many of us would dispose of the "little people" ? That's as frightening a thought as any

[@mattsisoler6125]

It is truly frightening. An ordinary person, given that ability to twist time and space to “fix problems in the world/universe”, wouldn’t be able to handle it. It would get out of hand quickly if someone isn’t there to stop them or to at least check that power. The Time Lord Victorious is terrifying because he realized that there is no check to the power that he wields with the Time Lords gone. Adelaide’s sacrifice saved the universe because it checkmated, in one fell swoop and depression of a trigger, that absolute control that Ten had, that would’ve led to countless civilizations and billions of life forms perishing because of Ten’s actions.

[@christophernathan7498]

The single most existentially terrifying moment in this show's history.

[@AgentClockWork]

I love this scene, it shows the dark side of Tennant's doctor, and it gets REALLY dark when the doctor realises Adelaide killed herself at that moment, because the viewer realises it too. This is why I loved David Tennant's Doctor SO MUCH, and also why I loved Russell T. Davies. It was all down to Russell's style of writing, and David's style of acting.

[@vincentmorot5124]

I can't help but to see that line "I'm the Time Lord Victorious" as a new name, a new identity. No more Doctor, no more "Never be cruel, never be cowardly". Only time, space, and full control over both.

[@OptimusPhillip]

It just hit me. Counting the War Doctor and the Meta-Crisis, this is the twelfth incarnation of the Doctor. This moment may be the origin of the Valeyard.

[@RavenStarMedia]

The Doctor had dark moments before this as well, so I feel like this moment might be more another piece of the Valeyard rather than his origin. I wouldn't be surprised if 14 ends up being the Valeyard (even more so if David Tennant does end up returning, though since he's doing Around the World in 80 Days it seems unlikely), because 11, 12, and 13 clearly weren't him. Especially since the trailer for Jodie's last special has the Master saying "this is the end of your existence" and the regeneration energy looks more intense and red (though it could just be the lighting).

[@shrewman]

this is ridiculously good writing

[@Petegrinder13]

I love the implication that a Doctor with no morality would be sooooo much worse than the Master.

[@darksaber2k]

The best past part of Tennant's Doctor is his arrogance biting him back in the end

[@midashguy]

This really is the Doctor's darkest moment. He almost started playing God.

[@slevinchannel7589]

So you baselssly assume, yes.

[@The_Kris_M]

"Is there nothing you can't do?" "Well, it still doesn't do wood."

[@Silverwind87]

You know what I think? The problem wasn't that the Doctor saved them, it's that he saved them too late. He could've saved the others, got them off Mars before the Flood broke out, but he hesitated. He decided that Andy, Maggie, Tarak, Steffi, Roman, and Ed weren't worth saving. It's okay if the Doctor can't save someone, but if he can, and chooses who should live and who should die, he becomes... Well, he becomes like the Master, or the Daleks. Those who think they can play god.

[@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz385]

Perhaps Ten's darkest moment, if not the darkest point in Doctor Who, past and future. The Doctor briefly shows his true power, and what it can do to him. For a brief moment, he became everything he hates about the Master. Only after the death of an innocent person whom he was so bent on saving, which would prove that he really had control over the laws of time, did he truly realize the monster he had momentarily become. One of my favorite scenes, because everything is done right. The atmosphere, the camera work, the music. Just goes to show how adult and mature this show can be.

[@SpectrumStorms]

TBH, Ten here is *NOTHING* compared to what Seven does.

[@GuestOfGregoryHouse]

This is more what the show should be. More mature instead of bogging itself down to appeal to children

[@rockingchairsofpiss1404]

Spot on

[@altinaykor364]

@@SpectrumStorms I hope so

[@claritycontrol1530]

I love how she's somewhat scared of the Doctor until he makes the remark about "little people". I think that really speaks to her character. Even after finding out just how pivotal to humanity's timeline she is, she believes that everybody is just as important as her. Her fear replaced by digust at this alien talking down about her people like that.

[@Bronek0990]

I love how the highlighted parts of the episode make up almost half of it. And rightfully so

[@darkendheart1389]

This episode really revealed a much, much, darker side to the Doctor. I enjoyed it greatly. I enjoyed the fact he proved Donna's statement about him right. He truly did need someone there to stop him. It's not that he had too much power. It's that he didn't always use it the way he should've.

[@slevinchannel7589]

It shocked me too. Because he was finally about to stop being wimpy and small. He could have overcome his trauma and started living, but an INSANE WOMAN KILLED HERSELF! Suicide as a strategic movement alone shows that she's not sane, but anyway, the effect on the doctor is clearly negative. Maybe the worst scene in the franchise, in a sense.

[@maouliamediaofficial]

@@slevinchannel7589 worst? He was literally breaking time. He was looking down on the species he swore to save, declaring some unimportant. He was finally going against his own rules after being broken down so much. Adeline wasn't doing it out of insanity, she was doing it to snap him out of his darkened mindset. Her commiting suicide made him realize "What have I done?! I just ruined what was supposed to be a fixed point...... I just ruined time forever!"

[@llSpazmBoyll]

Ten almost went mad with power in this episode. He could have easily taken them into the future or something, making disappear with nothing but a crater on Mars. Everyone would think they are dead, and they would continue on living in another time. But instead, he completely went against the rules. Every Doctor must have their flaws I guess.

[@ChrisVillagomez]

Imagine a GOD saving you from a literal destined death, just willy-nilly changing the course of history, the sheer courage it took to stand up to him and tell him, "No. You can't mess with our lives." is extremely commendable. She'd rather die than see her own continued existence endanger humanity. Captain Adelaide had a level of nobleness that I only hope we can all emulate one day (minus the dying part)

[@00lays00]

I love how both Ten and Five, whom are the most humane incarnations of the doctor, became so terrifying at the end of their lives. While Five didn't change the timeline to save Adric like Ten did with Adelaide, while he didn't kill Davros like Ten, he threatened his companion turlough that if he should ever betray him, he would no longer consider their previous friendship. I so wished we had the Valeyard storyline with Matt Smith or Capaldi and to actually confront his own darkness.

[@talaesparza124]

Five and Ten are some of my favorites. They're both funny and charming, but they both spiral and have that scary part, like the dark side of the moon