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@desfigon8552
@desfigon8552 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: every character in the show is the doctor but she doesn't remember it
@stephenmurphy2212
@stephenmurphy2212 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: the Master was actually bullshitting her to mess with her head.
@thesyndicate834
@thesyndicate834 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenmurphy2212 True
@AgherDeadpan
@AgherDeadpan 3 жыл бұрын
That is a terrible plot twist, but no more or less than the Timeless Child
@mjzudba801
@mjzudba801 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: I'd love to be the doctor, and that's not a plot twist, sign the petition for me to become the time lord
@Tubeguy46
@Tubeguy46 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenmurphy2212 plot twist, the master is the timeless child
@ian2081
@ian2081 Жыл бұрын
I love that they keep up the tradition of The Doctor being annoyed by themselves
@TheYankeePiper
@TheYankeePiper Жыл бұрын
Jo Martin got The Doctor spot on. I absolutely loved her version and agree with many others here it's a bloody shame we most likely won't be seeing here again. I would love to see her come across Ncuti Gatwa's 15th Doctor. She needs to be back again some time.
@ItsSpecialHands
@ItsSpecialHands 11 ай бұрын
Honestly I don't even dislike Jodie's portrayal, but it's clear Martin would have been a much, much more fitting Doctor. The little time we have with her shows just how suited she is to the role.
@Shinycelebi
@Shinycelebi 11 ай бұрын
@ItsSpecialHands It was all about baby steps, changing the Doctor to a Female was one drastic step, but a Black Female Doctor? They would have received so much more backlash from the peanut crowd that don't watch the show anyways.
@finnsempire5671
@finnsempire5671 9 ай бұрын
@@ItsSpecialHands I loved Jodie’s doctor 😊❤
@pejvil18
@pejvil18 5 ай бұрын
She is the biregeneration of tennants doctor , save it
@cameronmiller2068
@cameronmiller2068 3 ай бұрын
@@Shinycelebisame as Martha back in the day and she is my fave companion
@DamascusVT
@DamascusVT 2 жыл бұрын
After this episode I wondered why 13 hadn't just asked her "Well what regeneration are you? What number?" Then after the finale, I imagined Fugitives response probably would have been something like "Well I don't know, I haven't kept track like the WHOLE time." And nothing would have been answered lol "What do you mean you haven't kept track?" "Well what number are you then?" "Thirteen! Have you had that many?" "It's been quite a few, but I don't know if it's been quite that many..." "Have you been Scottish yet?" "What the hell does THAT mean?!"
@notyouraveragelemon6128
@notyouraveragelemon6128 3 жыл бұрын
I may have my problems with the timeless child but, I think that Jo Martins doctor is probably one of my favourite iterations of the character & it’s a shame we’ll probably never see her again after 13 regenerates
@Mask0fFate
@Mask0fFate 3 жыл бұрын
If the Timeless Child thing is ever retconned out, I hope they find a way to keep the Fugitive Doctor (Jo Martin’s Doctor) around. Her existence is one of the few good things to come from the Timeless Child retcon.
@philfitnesspt6139
@philfitnesspt6139 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mask0fFate except she is nothing like the doctor when have you known the doctor to.use guns or deliberately cause harm to someone (ripping the horn off) killing the other timelord when gun backfires which she knew wd happen. She is nothing like the doctor in any way. Jodie is far more like the doctor a mix of 11 & 10
@sans4124
@sans4124 2 жыл бұрын
@@philfitnesspt6139 dude she is the past version of the doctor What the doctor actually used to be. Before her memories were erased Have you not watched the timeless child episode
@wildste
@wildste 2 жыл бұрын
@@philfitnesspt6139 Well you have clearly never watched Classic Who, several incarnations of the Doctor used guns. Its only 10 that had a problem with them
@anonymouswhite352
@anonymouswhite352 2 жыл бұрын
@@wildstethe doctor never runs around with a gun and never has sure he's used one here and there but never actually just walked around with a gun on his belt he typically non violent
@AndrewMakesPuns
@AndrewMakesPuns 3 жыл бұрын
If it’s pre-Hartnell, why is the Tardis a police box?
@cameronbungay2841
@cameronbungay2841 3 жыл бұрын
That's a very good point
@anirudh_vadrevu
@anirudh_vadrevu 3 жыл бұрын
It's a theory (fanmade) that the TARDIS loves that form so she took that form with the doctor. Every time. But eleven destroyed the chameleon circuit.
@inugumu
@inugumu 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the show informed us that Clara was the one who direct the First Doctor to the Tardis. The only thing that might make sense is that like the end of the season suggested that there were multiple iterations of the Doctor, who all had there own regeneration cycles, and were wiped of all their memories. That they all choose the same Tardis might suggest that the Time Lords, before their destruction, were studying the Doctor for...some reason.
@DartLuke
@DartLuke 3 жыл бұрын
Because scriptwriters are terrible
@SinisterPixel
@SinisterPixel 3 жыл бұрын
My theory is that Ruth's doctor is actually the result of a convergence in space and time. We know every decision generates a parallel universe, but we also know you can't alter a fixed point in time. Maybe a decision that Ruth's Doctor made altered a fixed point in time to the point it ripped her universe to shreds, and the remains of the universe just collapsed in on the most similar universe to the point where Ruth didn't even realise she'd skipped universes.
@themightyginger7524
@themightyginger7524 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think that she is pre-Hartnell. This is because when Jodie says “But you don’t recognise the Sonic Screwdriver” Jo replies with “Smart enough not to need one”. That would mean that she’s had one on the past but she doesn’t use it anymore. Also she has the police box so she has to be after Hartnell.
@SuperCrazyfin
@SuperCrazyfin 3 жыл бұрын
All it proves is she knows sonic screwdrivers exist
@thepandorica1660
@thepandorica1660 3 жыл бұрын
Could the between 2 and 3 theory fit into this?
@tardisglitch547
@tardisglitch547 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah true but sonic screwdrivers have existed as a normal tool in time lord mechanics kits and the doctor found one when they left with susan.
@Slgjgnz
@Slgjgnz 3 жыл бұрын
In the Timeless Child story, the Doctor gets mind wiped between his Timelord lives. So Hartnell is the first face of the current "life", but he actually don't remember previous ones. It's surely also not have been the first time the Doctor stole a Tardis and run away from Gallifrey, they always do. The only indication could be the police box disguise, but even that is thin, Hartnell might have stole the same one and broke it again the same way. It's not like the Doctor ever read the manual...
@ftumschk
@ftumschk 3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperCrazyfin Doctor Ruth only refers to it as "that cute little gizmo", which appears to mean that she doesn't know its name, or what it actually is. Indeed, Jodie says to her little later "But you don't recognise a sonic screwdriver", which Doctor Ruth doesn't deny.
@ZebitasMartinex
@ZebitasMartinex 3 жыл бұрын
I have to admit, she felt more like The Doctor in 3 minutes than Jodie in 2 seasons. Is no her fault, but the scripts barely give her something to do
@jvictor001
@jvictor001 3 жыл бұрын
I felt the same.And I totally support Jodie,but Jo Martin felt more like a proper Doctor than Jodie has
@scotttovey
@scotttovey 3 жыл бұрын
That's the difference between playing the character; and as Jodi is quoted as saying: "reading the lines".
@filthycasual8187
@filthycasual8187 3 жыл бұрын
@@scotttovey I'm pretty sure Jo Martin is also a fan and liked Peter Capaldi's Doctor; at least, I could have sworn I read that somewhere...
@evanson69
@evanson69 3 жыл бұрын
Jodie Whittaker has barely done anything to prove the haters wrong, unfortunately. I really wanted her to be good but she simply isn't. Blaming the writing is weird because the same writers wrote for Jo Martin too and she aced it.
@SenatiaA
@SenatiaA 3 жыл бұрын
I felt the same way.
@andyh4518
@andyh4518 3 жыл бұрын
They instantly start criticizing each other's fashion sense. Yup, definitely the Doctor.
@lumberluc
@lumberluc 3 жыл бұрын
"OH! Oh, you never like it"
@darkcosmicmoon
@darkcosmicmoon 3 жыл бұрын
Nope definitely not the doctor
@DaddaRidley
@DaddaRidley 3 жыл бұрын
You can tell 13 didn't like Ruth's Tardis LOL
@user-gn5gb9pn1n
@user-gn5gb9pn1n 3 жыл бұрын
@@brewingstation9764 Haha sorry they are whether u like it or not😂😂
@user-gn5gb9pn1n
@user-gn5gb9pn1n 3 жыл бұрын
@@brewingstation9764 Damn someone’s offended 🤣🤣
@deuce5546
@deuce5546 3 жыл бұрын
In one episode Jo Martin upstaged Jodie Whittaker and we didn't even know she was the Doctor for a good portion of it. I don't have anything against Jodie but Jo is clearly superior, I sure hope she turns out to be next incarnation and she's the 14th doctor.
@rodneymarsden3003
@rodneymarsden3003 3 жыл бұрын
Okay with me if she is number 14 but NEVER before Hartnell!
@rodneymarsden3003
@rodneymarsden3003 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulaaronromanauthor5599 That destroys canon. 50 plus years of adventures in time and space gone. Not good. Not right.
@Lemuel928
@Lemuel928 2 жыл бұрын
Like the time 10th Doctor spoke to 11th Doctor.
@idreamofsquidz814
@idreamofsquidz814 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’d like that. Definitely would fix the timeless child arc.
@philfitnesspt6139
@philfitnesspt6139 2 жыл бұрын
Not really she is nothing like the doctor..doctor never uses guns or causes harm intentionally
@edwardjames6023
@edwardjames6023 2 жыл бұрын
She should have been the first female doctor! She had the attitude, the mannerisms to pull it off!!
@exiledpsychic855
@exiledpsychic855 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t have mattered with the writing
@Killgore-ip2yq
@Killgore-ip2yq 2 жыл бұрын
Actually if Michelle Gomez didn't portrayed the master I would love to see Gomez as the first female doctor.
@wanyekest6969
@wanyekest6969 2 жыл бұрын
@@Killgore-ip2yq Oh, she was lovely as The Master/Missy.
@desoliver9712
@desoliver9712 2 жыл бұрын
@@exiledpsychic855 I agree the writing was terrible, but the fact is she has far more onscreen presence than Jody who frankly would have made a better companion.
@ricedanan
@ricedanan 3 жыл бұрын
You know you've done something wrong when this new Doctor you've suddenly introduced feels more like the character than the one that's been in 2 series.
@caiasi8189
@caiasi8189 3 жыл бұрын
I... actually cannot argue in any way against that... in any way. Jodie's "Doctor" sucks so hard. Unbelievably so.
@alanguages
@alanguages 3 жыл бұрын
Whittaker and Chibnall, should be removed from anything Dr. Who related.
@Sam-gs8iw
@Sam-gs8iw 3 жыл бұрын
@@alanguages I honestly think Whittaker does really well with the material, its just that the writing is awful.
@Shinycelebi
@Shinycelebi 3 жыл бұрын
@@alanguages They both quit. This is their final season and then we are finally getting a new writer and doctor.
@alanguages
@alanguages 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shinycelebi I don't trust whoever they get next. (Actor and/or writer) It will likely be just as crappy or crappier to outdo the stupidity of the Whittaker and Chibnall era.
@niallm1699
@niallm1699 3 жыл бұрын
My theory is this. When 12 regenerated the TARDIS got shunted in to a parallel universe. That’s why it blew up and disappeared and why no one knew who the Daleks were. The fugitive dr is an alternative universe dr as is the master.
@yeet12937
@yeet12937 3 жыл бұрын
@Lolly Lops smh shame :( Ngl if I became the writer or whatever after him I'd say they crashed into another dimension
@kasimbhatti3115
@kasimbhatti3115 3 жыл бұрын
@James Card You read his comment wrong
@kasimbhatti3115
@kasimbhatti3115 3 жыл бұрын
@James Card he was saying the fugitive doctor is from a parallel universe, "as is the master" - which means Sacha Dhawans master is also from a parallel universe. Thats what they're saying at least. I don't believe it's true
@zacmumblethunder7466
@zacmumblethunder7466 3 жыл бұрын
@James Card He's not talking actual fuck but theoretic fuck, which allows for the possibility of a new show runner retconning the retcon and either reretconning the show or deretconning back to its uncon form rather than its current version which is a straight forward con.
@iamhansjoerg
@iamhansjoerg 2 жыл бұрын
And after that he returns to the original universe, where chinball never happened
@mrwhatcanido4942
@mrwhatcanido4942 3 жыл бұрын
when Joe Martain's doctor felt more like the doctor than the actual main doctor. I really wanna see her again in those yellow specs. I totally wouldn't mind her being the next doctor. Also this episode, my god is it mind blowing compared to what came before in series 11.
@CaptApril123
@CaptApril123 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought.. Jo Martin's first five minutes as the Doctor she knocked it out of the park. Not just her lines but mannerism, attitude, everything just screams 'The Doctor'.
@vicgraves150
@vicgraves150 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Yes! Yes! I hope Jo Martin is our next regeneration!
@winteralf7300
@winteralf7300 3 жыл бұрын
canonically, she cant be the next doctor. You wanna ruin canon even more than chibnall did?
@mrwhatcanido4942
@mrwhatcanido4942 3 жыл бұрын
@@winteralf7300 well yeah. I'd rather have a doctor that feels more like the doctor than going against the canon. cuz at this point, there doesn't feel like there is any canon. I highly doubt it will actually happen. I just want to see Jo Martin's doctor again. And I love her yellow specs. I just hope Chibnall can pull it together without crashing the ship. although series 12 was better than series 11 apart from the timeless children.... hold on a minute the episode is called the timeless children, not child... interesting.
@snapdragon9300
@snapdragon9300 3 жыл бұрын
More like amnesiac and brain damaged.
@ChippyGaming
@ChippyGaming 3 жыл бұрын
I would absolutely love to see more of her Doctor
@sprite3351
@sprite3351 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know you watched doctor who chippy!
@finspatheticchannel1224
@finspatheticchannel1224 3 жыл бұрын
YO CHIPPY
@DoctorHorse
@DoctorHorse 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Dr Who enthusiast
@stephenmurphy2212
@stephenmurphy2212 3 жыл бұрын
BIG FINISH?
@harmonic5789
@harmonic5789 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly yeah
@jessetorres8738
@jessetorres8738 3 жыл бұрын
I am still not a big fan of the "Timeless Child" twist since I feel it retcons too much of the series' continuity and the Doctor as a character. If they had just gone the route of The Doctor lived an entire regeneration cycle that they chose to forget about (like how Capaldi forgot Clara) I think that would have worked fine, but I feel the route they went goes against too much of the established Time Lord lore/history of Gallifrey. Plus, before this twist The Doctor was just an average Time Lord who was interested in Earth/loved exploring the universe while the rest of the Time Lords looked down on other forms of life and chose to isolate themselves, but if Time Lord society as we know it only exists because of The Timeless Child then The Doctor would have been more respected and been aware of their significance. So, I blame this idea solely on Chibnall since I feel this twist wouldn't have worked regardless of who was The Doctor, but I do like Whitaker as The Doctor.
@theginganaut9254
@theginganaut9254 3 жыл бұрын
Well said. Ironically they could have changed the timeless child to the Master. Which would have explained why he was so angry. Knowing at little part of him is what helps the doctor in his adventures. Could have been a great way to renew their rivalry! 😍
@Axetwin
@Axetwin 3 жыл бұрын
At the risk of giving Chris Chibnell WAY too much credit, I'm inclined to wait to see how the rest of the story unfolds. I feel like we're not being told the entire story. All The Master knows is "The Doctor" is the timeless child, and this episode introduced us to an unknown Timelord known as The Doctor. Very few things can be taken at face value, and a very real possibility that Ruth is the Timeless Child and not Jodi.
@hiltondriver5335
@hiltondriver5335 3 жыл бұрын
No only William Hartnell stoke a tardis and there was a mind swipe at the end of partrick Troughton when the time forced him to regenerate into Jon pertwee maybe there was a mind swipe where he lost an regeneration we never got to see probably that’s when the gimme lords originally had him a mind swipe and forced to live on earth has this Ruth doctor and now they will catch up with him again and regenerate into the Jon pertwee Doctor
@c0mpu73rguy
@c0mpu73rguy 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much that, yes. I don't like the idea of other regenerations existing before Hartnell.
@scotttovey
@scotttovey 3 жыл бұрын
"if Time Lord society as we know it only exists because of The Timeless Child then The Doctor would have been more respected and been aware of their significance." More respected in the same way that the left in America give more respect to the founding Fathers of America? It is also possible that despite their long standing claim; that the truth of who the doctor is has been wiped from the memories of the majority of Gallifreyans and only an elite few know the truth of the timeless child. The real question is; if the Doctor is the timeless child, how could the Time Lord's prevent him or her from having infinite regenerations? Wouldn't whatever they did to limit the regenerations; break after a regeneration?
@jamesattenbourgh
@jamesattenbourgh 3 жыл бұрын
A future incarnation could have worked. The fact that it’s pre-hartnell makes like zero sense. So many continuity issues.
@soulecho230
@soulecho230 3 жыл бұрын
During the 4th Doctor serial "The Brain of Morbius" it was strongly implied that The Doctor had incarnations prior to Hartnell.
@astrosleep9625
@astrosleep9625 3 жыл бұрын
@@soulecho230 or they were morbius incarnations?
@jamesattenbourgh
@jamesattenbourgh 3 жыл бұрын
@@soulecho230You realise that was a bad idea ignored or contradicted by the rest of the show and doesn’t serve as justification for altering canon explicitly now, forty years after the fact. Again, there’s a myriad of continuity issues it causes, especially in the newer series.
@urbanartcj5143
@urbanartcj5143 3 жыл бұрын
Or it could be an incarnation between the 2nd and 3rd Doctor
@zacmumblethunder7466
@zacmumblethunder7466 3 жыл бұрын
@@urbanartcj5143 the third Doctor was wearing the second Doctor's clothes when he arrived on Earth.
@andrewhall6479
@andrewhall6479 Жыл бұрын
Props to this sequence. This was the first time in a while that Doctor Who pulled the rug out from underneath me. Not since Melody Pond have I felt so blindsided in the best possible way.
@halfbreed1426
@halfbreed1426 3 жыл бұрын
Parallel Universe? Just play a safe retcon and have it revealed that our Doctor has been trapped in the sub-par Chib-Verse.
@DogsRNice
@DogsRNice 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what they did with jj Abrams Star Trek lol
@Da_Baron
@Da_Baron 3 жыл бұрын
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING!
@barneschris5148
@barneschris5148 3 жыл бұрын
It literally is the only way out for this show.I very much doubt the powers that be will ever do it though. They are too entrenched in their own sanctimony and virtuous lives.
@jeanmichellelaurent
@jeanmichellelaurent 3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe have her be like David Morrisey in the next doctor
@Wrangler-fp4ei
@Wrangler-fp4ei 3 жыл бұрын
I would hope this how they will salvage the situation as in making a Chib-verse, since that blowhard said its not parallel universe. He just a hack looking to build up a legacy no one wants since the stories are so bad it's damaging franchise.
@joshmartin4914
@joshmartin4914 3 жыл бұрын
I wish they had made Jo Martin the Rani instead of the Doctor, she's long over due for a return!
@Harveyc_Harveyc_
@Harveyc_Harveyc_ 3 жыл бұрын
True i honestly thought that the PRIMEMINISTER from Revolution of the daleks i generally thought she was going to be the Rani 😁
@nachochips1458
@nachochips1458 3 жыл бұрын
That would be funny, if she had broken John Smith's chameleon circuit instead of the Rani's
@samuelanson6192
@samuelanson6192 3 жыл бұрын
Aside from the timeless child plotline, I genuinely think Jo Martin is one of the best incarnations of the doctor we've had in a long while, she feels like this amazing combination of Hartne;l, Eccleston and Capaldi and I'm desperate to see more of her
@philfitnesspt6139
@philfitnesspt6139 2 жыл бұрын
except she is nothing like the doctor when have you known the doctor to.use guns or deliberately cause harm to someone (ripping the horn off) killing the other timelord when gun backfires which she knew wd happen. She is nothing like the doctor in any way. Jodie is far more like the doctor a mix of 11 & 10 this doctor is more like the other timelords well the military one's anyways but nothing like the doctor.
@SpecialMonkeyFilms
@SpecialMonkeyFilms 3 жыл бұрын
My theory is that she's inbetween 2 and 3 and that instead of forcing the Doctor to regenerate and exile them to Gallifrey, they re-employed the Doctor into the Division and sent them off to do missions for the Timelords but was forced to regenerate as a punishment, meaning the 2nd Doctor became the Jo Martin Doctor but because of the events of what happened in this episode (running away, becoming human, killing Gat [basically going AWOL]) they captured the Doctor, forced them to regenerate into the 3rd Doctor, erased the memory of Jo Martin's doctor, took away his knowledge of time travel and exiling him to Earth since that's where the Doctor ran away from the Timelords to and became human to disguise herself, meaning that the Doctor has no memory of Jo's Doctor and the Doctor goes on thinking that they went from the 2nd Doctor to the 3rd and was exiled to Earth without knowledge of time travel as the original punishment
@OverWims
@OverWims 3 жыл бұрын
as long as the timelords gave him an extra regeneration then this can make sense
@rhyscarter3939
@rhyscarter3939 3 жыл бұрын
That's my theory.
@TheOriginalEwan
@TheOriginalEwan 3 жыл бұрын
If she was between 2 and 3, the doctor would’ve remembered that incarnation. Just like the war doctor, the one we don’t talk about, but he was still an official incarnation of the doctor. I’m sorry, but I just cannot accept there being any doctors before 1, unless there already was a pre-1st doctor that Chibnall didn’t just pop out of nowhere that I’ve never heard of before, which is unlikely.
@lindagoad2163
@lindagoad2163 3 жыл бұрын
Lets not sully the originals with this mess please. Pertwee comes out in troughtons clothes. I dont mind having her as a doctor, seems better than the actual current doctor tbh, but the original 8 are the first 8 and everything else happens after.
@Phantom19913
@Phantom19913 3 жыл бұрын
The doctor is the timeless child the source of regeneration for the timelords they let the doctor run away then when they reach the limit of regenerations they wipe the doctors memory and let it start all over again.
@doctorboom8282
@doctorboom8282 3 жыл бұрын
I hope this isn't a similar scenario to "The Next Doctor", where the 10th doctor meets another doctor but isn't actually the doctor.
@Spiritouspath
@Spiritouspath 3 жыл бұрын
if they do it right the black lady is the doctor from another dimension/reality what somehow 1 of them got thrown in 1 of the 2 doctor's reality without realizing it
@PirateReviewer
@PirateReviewer 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. They just wanted more diverse doctor, that's all there is to it.
@pojoseph29
@pojoseph29 3 жыл бұрын
I actually liked that Christmas special, it was done in such a unique way that you actually hoped it was two Doctors meeting. Then they Moffatt us. 😭
@kernelparadigm
@kernelparadigm 3 жыл бұрын
nope ,this is bbc saying we are out of ideas, we are gonna press sself destruct buttons .
@bluephoenix4357
@bluephoenix4357 3 жыл бұрын
That's mental 😂🙏
@nataliecameron
@nataliecameron 10 ай бұрын
Jo saying "I'm the doctor, I'm a traveller in time and space, and you're gonna love this" had perfect doctor energy
@DCSMedia
@DCSMedia 3 жыл бұрын
I think Jo Martin was awesome in the role. She had great screen presence
@61okj
@61okj 3 жыл бұрын
It would’ve been better if Chris wrote something that made sense
@93Chowo
@93Chowo 3 жыл бұрын
I hope we see her again and find out just how exactly she fits into the timeline of the Doctor. Like how we first got introduced to the War Doctor (John Hurt) and then got the answer in the 50th anniversary special.
@gingercat5996
@gingercat5996 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, my favourite part of the chibnall era so far
@thepandorica1660
@thepandorica1660 3 жыл бұрын
@@61okj perhaps this doesn't make sense because we haven't had the whole story yet. Remember River? She was introduced back in Silence in the Library, yet we had to wait until A Good Man Goes to War (almost two entire series after) to find out who she is and a little bit later confirmation on who she killed. Let alone, the cracks took up all of 11's tenure, so I'm up for the TC stuff being that for 13's run.
@nicholasmills6489
@nicholasmills6489 3 жыл бұрын
It was aweful. No screen presence.
@palblue
@palblue 3 жыл бұрын
I love that part where they both speak at the same time, its like they both started questioning their other self at the same time. “Same brain!”
@timelord2502
@timelord2502 2 жыл бұрын
Fugitive of the judoon is probably one of my favourite episodes of doctor who my jaw was on the floor for most of the episode and the shock of Ruth being a previous incarnation of the doctor and then Jack coming back
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi 3 жыл бұрын
Doctor Who is a show with flimsy continuity at best, but even is has some lines you should never cross. Making a Doctor (or even worse, Doctors) who existed before the Hartnell is not just nonsensical, it also seems disrespectful. Don't cheapen the legacy of the show you have the privilege of working on today.
@edgymoji8260
@edgymoji8260 3 жыл бұрын
Well said master kenobi
@tobiasgabrielfranco7560
@tobiasgabrielfranco7560 3 жыл бұрын
Whe don't know if she is pre Hartnell
@johnssmith7807
@johnssmith7807 3 жыл бұрын
@@tobiasgabrielfranco7560 I hope so, But I am really hoping that 13 just stumbled into a different universe since series 11.
@doctorfate6414
@doctorfate6414 3 жыл бұрын
The Doctor is officially died.
@tobiasgabrielfranco7560
@tobiasgabrielfranco7560 3 жыл бұрын
@@doctorfate6414 no, officially is alive.
@calburst
@calburst 3 жыл бұрын
Martin really outperforms Jodie in this scene. I’m more convinced by this short performance than Whittaker’s entire run idk if that’s just me
@wolfwing1
@wolfwing1 2 жыл бұрын
I like jodie and her run, but yeah definetly wouldn't mind a season of her.
@Deciheximal
@Deciheximal Жыл бұрын
I like Whittaker because her nose is proper Doctor size, but no, her acting isn't the best. The writing is worse.
@Jack-Oates
@Jack-Oates 3 жыл бұрын
Say what you want about the Fugitive Doctor, but Jo Martin is incredible in the role!
@JoshiVlogsOfficial
@JoshiVlogsOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
is she? she can’t act
@davidjr3769
@davidjr3769 3 жыл бұрын
I love this episode , but meh she started off rough but finished decent
@MichioMadness
@MichioMadness 3 жыл бұрын
I want an entire series with just her. It'd be amazing. Heck, I'd even take a mini-series or spin-off
@Muffinman842
@Muffinman842 3 жыл бұрын
She’s better then Jodie 😭
@JoshiVlogsOfficial
@JoshiVlogsOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
@Nathan Thomson True
@DigiRangerScott
@DigiRangerScott 3 жыл бұрын
Darcy Lewis: THEY RECAST THE DOCTOR?
@misterlyle.
@misterlyle. 3 жыл бұрын
You have missed much. Brace yourself.
@SomeMortyDude
@SomeMortyDude 3 жыл бұрын
@@misterlyle. it's a wandavision reference.
@misterlyle.
@misterlyle. 3 жыл бұрын
@@SomeMortyDude Thanks for your reply. I can't keep up with DC and Marvel, there is too much.
@gohanmoreno7
@gohanmoreno7 3 жыл бұрын
@@misterlyle. But Doctor Who is even bigger LOL
@misterlyle.
@misterlyle. 3 жыл бұрын
@@gohanmoreno7 It may still be good advice, to brace ourselves for what comes.
@TheChill001
@TheChill001 3 жыл бұрын
tbh, remove chris chibnall, let Jo martin be the new doctor under a proper writer and I wouldn't mind. The actress herself was convincing imho...it's just the writing which boggles the mind and baffles all sense of continuity
@Mike_Ka-Chowski
@Mike_Ka-Chowski Жыл бұрын
I love it when the Doctor explains things to themselves
@franklutton7149
@franklutton7149 11 ай бұрын
the Fugitive Doctor....... i want.... i want her.... She owns and deserves to be the Doctor !!!!
@fionatsang9353
@fionatsang9353 3 жыл бұрын
That synchronized dialogue was brilliant, reminds me of Ten in the 'Midnight' episode Also I can imagine 13 thinking 'ugh first I got patronized by my wife explaining the TARDIS to me while she was stealing it from me behind my back (The Husbands of River Song), now I'm being patronized by me telling me who me is!!!' XD
@Ultima_Prime
@Ultima_Prime 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else open to the possibility of alternate timelines crossing paths?
@InnerEagle
@InnerEagle 3 жыл бұрын
Possible, highly possible in my view
@bilbobaginsk4626
@bilbobaginsk4626 3 жыл бұрын
What if she's from an alternative universe? Or maybe what If OUR doctor wandered OUT of our Universe and is only coming to realize it now..
@PirateReviewer
@PirateReviewer 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. They just wanted more diverse doctor, that's all there is to it.
@Wyrm7774
@Wyrm7774 3 жыл бұрын
@@PirateReviewer then they would have just waited until 13 regenerated to make her the Dr
@Wrangler-fp4ei
@Wrangler-fp4ei 3 жыл бұрын
Chibby, poopoo on her being alternated dimension in a interview. I suspect he was trying depress fandom more that his writing is law / canon. Nothing else matter but what he writing now. Hope hell someone replaces him, but i don't think BBC will.
@Lobajoba
@Lobajoba 3 жыл бұрын
I always felt more confused than anything else by this scene. When they added the War Doctor for example, it made sense within the world because the character went to this dark shameful place in war that they didn't want to talk about. This allowed for a redemption arc, here adding another Doctor just seems more like a provocative gimmick without any clear purpose.
@mayalewis2956
@mayalewis2956 2 жыл бұрын
"Here's what you could of had" XD
@cinder9529
@cinder9529 3 жыл бұрын
Ruth, if she is from pre-Hartnell, ruined Doctor Who for me. But it is nothing compared to the disaster that is The Timeless Child.
@rodneymarsden3003
@rodneymarsden3003 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@antoniothomas2663
@antoniothomas2663 3 жыл бұрын
She better be an alternative doctor
@nicholasmills6489
@nicholasmills6489 3 жыл бұрын
They may rewrite this doctor. They know they’ve done severe damage to the brand. I hope they backtrack and recognise this was a vindictive mistake.
@mellowyello1478
@mellowyello1478 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasmills6489 they'll double down on it for a decade before they do that, though.
@shadowhenge7118
@shadowhenge7118 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a bunch of different doctors. They need to get better writers, though...
@DoctorWhoHugh
@DoctorWhoHugh 3 жыл бұрын
I think she is a future doctor, or in between 2 and 3 as 2nd doctor did jobs for the Time Lord and he seemed surprised when he regenerated (as if he wasn’t expecting it, which makes no sense considering it had been likely years since he was told that his face would be changed), my theory is that they forced her to regenerate, wiped her memory and then granted an extra regeneration.
@Mxyzptlksac
@Mxyzptlksac 3 жыл бұрын
Jo was fantastic. I love her few seconds of air time
@greenfrappuccino3065
@greenfrappuccino3065 2 жыл бұрын
I would not mind a season with Jo Martin's incarnation as the leading role.
@Akakunchannel
@Akakunchannel 3 жыл бұрын
"Chibnall: Hey, look what I have prepared for future seasons!" Well, I hope is worth it. By now it just a confusing plot twist, like when I first met River Song.
@Dracattack
@Dracattack 3 жыл бұрын
The next showrunner will never mention it again lol
@ivandphantom9028
@ivandphantom9028 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dracattack Hey so Doctor you're not the doctor ok the neither is ruth you see the doctor is actually Human now and goes by the name rowan akistan just need to make him remember then he's a tiem lord, Please any explanation would be fine
@zacmumblethunder7466
@zacmumblethunder7466 3 жыл бұрын
@@ivandphantom9028 The next Doctor will be Ainsley Harriot.
@stalwart263
@stalwart263 3 жыл бұрын
There is no way to look at this and not think that Chibnall has totally screwed the canon. The points about the screwdriver and Police Box and interior make this Doctor impossible to place in the timeline even if we accept the Timeless Child Arc.
@SStupendous
@SStupendous 3 жыл бұрын
She can't fit anywhere. HAS to be after Hartnell, but she's not between 2 and 3 as some morons here are saying, given clearly Pertwee entered our screens wearing the same outfit the Second Doctor was wearing at the end of the War Games.
@KyunaCookies
@KyunaCookies 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this was incredible, if the finale didn't mess with it
@smiley3047
@smiley3047 3 жыл бұрын
@Bowlestrek Not the real Bowlestrek
@chuckba5276
@chuckba5276 3 жыл бұрын
@Bowlestrek So much hatred and anger... you'd make a good Dalek! Doctor Who has always been political. If that bothers you, watch another show
@mahfuzurchowdhury2765
@mahfuzurchowdhury2765 3 жыл бұрын
@@chuckba5276, he's a fake Bowlestrek lol. He's mocking an infamous KZbinr who always hates on the Whittaker era.
@chuckba5276
@chuckba5276 3 жыл бұрын
@Bowlestrek My dear chap, have you watched Classic Who? Or anything from series 1-10? Doctor Who has always been political. End of.
@KyunaCookies
@KyunaCookies 3 жыл бұрын
@@chuckba5276 he's apparently making a joke, a bad one but yeah
@OptimysticPessimyst
@OptimysticPessimyst 3 жыл бұрын
This is quite literally THE ONLY scene of the Chibnall era that I absolutely adored. It’s the best this era has ever been and they threw away all the potential in the Timeless Children. It needs to be retconned that the Jo Doctor is from the future and has had her memories tampered with. Make the Timeless Children non-canon! It breaks everything
@OptimysticPessimyst
@OptimysticPessimyst 3 жыл бұрын
@@obiwankenobi687 it breaks everything and those who defend it are deluding themselves. The show is dead now
@OptimysticPessimyst
@OptimysticPessimyst 3 жыл бұрын
@@obiwankenobi687 the show will not make it to series 15 I guarantee you. The merchandising is dead in the water and Big Finish are refusing to do 13 audio dramas they’re producing them through a third party. Timelord Victorious is bombing due to its confusion story and release scheme but it is getting good reviews so sadly it’s an experiment that will not be remembered. Despite my enjoyment of what I have read and listened too. The show has gone from the number 3 show on the BBC to not even in the top 20 in 3 years in terms of viewership. Revolution was getting shilled left, right and centre by critics who’ve never seen the show or are on the payroll of companies with BBC connections and their affiliates. The rest just going with the trend without actually critiquing the show, and are scared to speak against the BBC and their “progressive” politics. Also it being the highest rated show on NY’s is not something to brag about. The NY’s schedule is barely watched by general audiences and it’s usually filled with programmes that weren’t deemed good enough for the Christmas releases (which DW was removed from. They had to reshoot parts of Revolution to take out references to Christmas due to losing their spot) Had this doctor been male the show would’ve been canned with such a loss of ratings. The last 2 seasons are the least watched and worst reviewed in the show’s history. Orphan 55 was the first episode in the show’s history to get a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes until they changed the grading algorithm and it was bumped to 12%. HBO are on the verge of pulling out of the deal due to HBOmax not meeting expectations and that deal is basically funding the next 3 series single handedly due to talks that the licensing fees are being scrapped and the Beeb having to eventually turn into an overpriced subscription service. A huge reason series 13 is only 8 episodes long (which will most likely be 7 and a holiday special which will have nothing to do with the date it releases) is because of the deal being in doubt and the BBC actually showing lack of faith in the show and cutting its budget. It’s not a case of a 13 episode budget being spread across 8. It’s a case of an 8 episode budget being tightly woven across the series. And it will show. The vast majority of the fanbase that put this show where it is has almost completely checked out and the ones staying around are either doing it to say they saw the end (much like myself) or blindly following it because they either don’t care enough or just want to say they are with the trend. The show is dead. And it’s down to Chris Chibnall and his team of producers. The facts are there to be found.
@taikowolf
@taikowolf 3 жыл бұрын
I really hope that Jo Martin gets to play this Doctor more, either in future series or in Big Finish. I’d love to see her - she put in a fantastic performance here.
@thedusty194
@thedusty194 3 жыл бұрын
Oh GOD PLEASE NO
@finb
@finb 3 жыл бұрын
No she didn't she was bland af
@iamhansjoerg
@iamhansjoerg 2 жыл бұрын
Noope
@orbital151
@orbital151 3 жыл бұрын
I hope she turns out to be the fourteenth doctor and is a FUTURE doctor instead of a past doctor
@talithahiggs1912
@talithahiggs1912 3 жыл бұрын
Yes yes please
@fadikhoory5350
@fadikhoory5350 3 жыл бұрын
The doctor can lie, so she's probably embarrassed about her overeating, hyperactive, annoying, childish incarnation prior to her.
@hiltondriver5335
@hiltondriver5335 3 жыл бұрын
Adam A-K yes at the time after Patrick troughton Doctor and before Jon pertwee remember he fell out of the tardis around that time he was the Ruth Doctor
@hiltondriver5335
@hiltondriver5335 3 жыл бұрын
Adam A-K he had mind swipe for the time lords swiped The 2nd Doctor Patrick Troughton and before Jon pertwee fell out of the tardis that time he was the Ruth Doctor
@hiltondriver5335
@hiltondriver5335 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the doctors home world did not have the time war yet
@Neithie
@Neithie 6 ай бұрын
I love her. Was sold the moment she said hello I'm the doctor
@Logan_Elkins
@Logan_Elkins 11 ай бұрын
Okay now come on… this is literally the best doctor introduction ever
@user-lb9xw4xf2q
@user-lb9xw4xf2q 3 жыл бұрын
Moffat: Hahaha! River Song will be the worst and most convoluted thing ever to happen in canon! Chibnall: Hold my plagiarism pen.
@Hedoneo0
@Hedoneo0 3 жыл бұрын
River was loveable and smart but this thing they call 13 is the worst doctor ever and the sad part is the other one is better and she isn't even the main doctor. She should've have been
@arvarvanwar
@arvarvanwar 3 жыл бұрын
This scene legitimately blew my mind
@astrosleep9625
@astrosleep9625 3 жыл бұрын
I blew my mind with a glock after
@arvarvanwar
@arvarvanwar 3 жыл бұрын
@@astrosleep9625 strong reaction
@astrosleep9625
@astrosleep9625 3 жыл бұрын
@@arvarvanwar 😂😂😂I love the show too much
@ciarantimothy8081
@ciarantimothy8081 3 жыл бұрын
Mine too
@oscarhampson9181
@oscarhampson9181 3 жыл бұрын
Very elitist of you.
@bsabruzzo
@bsabruzzo 3 жыл бұрын
That time when the Doctor met somebody who was better written as the Doctor.
@hgwells1899
@hgwells1899 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, that "Really?!" moment will go down as summing up an entire Doctors era
@Enderman121_
@Enderman121_ 3 жыл бұрын
Here’s how you fix series 12 make the timeless child the master and make Ruth a parallel universe version of the doctor
@JJohnston4Life
@JJohnston4Life 3 жыл бұрын
The timeless child needs retconned so bad
@morfy2581
@morfy2581 2 жыл бұрын
couldnt agree more.
@hiltondriver5335
@hiltondriver5335 3 жыл бұрын
Probably Patrick Troughton at the time the time lords force changed his appearance before Jon pertwee he fell out of the tardis he was probably the Ruth Doctor
@caleb7551
@caleb7551 3 жыл бұрын
That would make the most sense, although it would still feel like an insult
@lindagoad2163
@lindagoad2163 3 жыл бұрын
3 is wearing 2s clothes so no.
@shilohpark9705
@shilohpark9705 3 жыл бұрын
i believe the fugitive should be before Hartnell. because she had just came to earth, and the doctor's memories were wiped when the 3rd incarnation had just been introduced. so it's likely that this is pre-Hartnell
@lindagoad2163
@lindagoad2163 3 жыл бұрын
@@shilohpark9705 let's not sully Hartnells legacy with any further suggestion he is not the OG. Find some other excuse to fit in this horrendous plot line if you must. But leave Bill Hartnell out of it.
@nepeta3286
@nepeta3286 3 жыл бұрын
@@shilohpark9705 if it was pre-hartnell the tardis wouldn't be the same, first of all, since hartnell canonically is the doctor who stole the tardis, and secondly, the tardis wouldn't be stuck as a police box, since we saw the tardis glitch into a police box in the first and second part of the pilot episode of doctor who, back in 1963, an unearthly child yknow, it cannot be post troughton either because 2nd invented the sonic screwdriver, fugitive didn't recognize or have fade back memories from seeing the sonic screwdriver, unlike the master, or even 10th, also 3rd wore 2nd's clothes so yeah that's quite a mess
@lightxz27
@lightxz27 Жыл бұрын
The worst part of rhe Fugitive Doctor isn't how she messes up the lore, it's how her actress is so damn good it makes it much more obvious that Jodie just doesn't work as the Doctor.
@russelllahna2268
@russelllahna2268 3 жыл бұрын
I know that there are a lot of mixed opinions on this twist, but I'm in love with it simply for the implication that the Doctor ran off from Gallifrey (flipping the High Council the bird in the rearview mirror) not just once, but /multiple times/. As shown in Heaven Sent, mind wipes and time loops do not actually sway the Doctor from their goals, so that's extremely on brand. Everything else is just a bonus, I can't wait for more
@chancewrightva
@chancewrightva 3 жыл бұрын
I swear she better get the opportunity to be the next Doctor. I don't care what Chibnall says, I will never accept The Timeless Children as Canon. Ruth could be from an Alternative Universe, or the Next Doctor with Memory Loss, and I'd be happy.
@excelsawd1006
@excelsawd1006 3 жыл бұрын
Chibnall: lemme pull a pro gamer move, its called retconning your favourite show to prove im a good director, now look at my awesome plot i made up on the toilet in 5 minutes!
@stevenbartel5008
@stevenbartel5008 3 жыл бұрын
What? People dont like retcons? What a surprise
@carlacristina5613
@carlacristina5613 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevenbartel5008 fat manchilds don't like.
@stevenbartel5008
@stevenbartel5008 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlacristina5613 ah so fat manchilds are the only people who want to have a story that doesnt change anything that has already happened, and "normal people" like to get confused and have no idea what is still canon and what not, got it
@lordtachanka5512
@lordtachanka5512 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlacristina5613 nah bro, the show is shit now
@SStupendous
@SStupendous 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlacristina5613 Back off of Max, I'll call the squad on you.
@MondasProductions
@MondasProductions 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best twists in the show's history, I just hope we get to see more of Jo Martin as the Doctor! Give Jo her own series, she deserves it!
@justabit6526
@justabit6526 3 жыл бұрын
It was a really nice twist at first, but after the timeless children it kinda... just feels bad
@heatsinker_5517
@heatsinker_5517 3 жыл бұрын
William Hartnell's portrayal of THE FIRST DOCTOR is the only FIRST DOCTOR of consequence and that's it. Anything else is fan-fiction multiverse and should be chucked in BBC's version of ...."Whaaaat iiiiiiif...?"
@MidnightVCoco
@MidnightVCoco 3 жыл бұрын
for as much as people hate the timeless child, this makes sense. Because there are now 2 other versions of the doctor that exist. Edit: the wiki shows more versions of the doctor other than 2 that I knew about. there is about 10 other versions of the doctor
@misterlyle.
@misterlyle. 3 жыл бұрын
Why ten? There would be an unknown number possibly out there. I wonder how many River has encountered, but doesn't have a photo?
@rjmcallister1888
@rjmcallister1888 3 жыл бұрын
Well, we finally found the Tardis K-9 buried back in 1979.
@venth6
@venth6 3 жыл бұрын
RIP doctor who died in 2017
@the11thdoctor40
@the11thdoctor40 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer This Doctor that has 10 minutes of Screen time, more than the Doctor who has 2 seasons and 2 specials of “Development”
@OneColdMonkey
@OneColdMonkey 3 жыл бұрын
Ugh this whole plot has just about ruined Doctor Who for me. I really wish they hadn't messed with the Doctor's past and give them a bunch of secret lives before the Doctors we knew about. I loved the Doctor being an old man who just said "F it!" one day and changed the entire universe, with nothing particularly special about him among his people like being some creature from wherever. *sigh*
@justabit6526
@justabit6526 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah unfortunately Chibnall’s attempts to improve on the show have just ruined it but also done absolutely nothing to change the current doctors character.
@MichaelO2000
@MichaelO2000 3 жыл бұрын
Philip Hinchcliffe already gave us Pre Hartnell Doctors
@PirateReviewer
@PirateReviewer 3 жыл бұрын
They just wanted more diverse doctor, that's all there is to it.
@thesenate5770
@thesenate5770 3 жыл бұрын
@@PirateReviewer I don't hate joe's doctor. In fact I rather like her. But the timeless childs infinite regenerates make the doctor just another "chosen one" which i hate. I like were he is average (for his species) but he DECIDES to make a difference and be special, he (or she) was not BORN special.
@lavishisles5497
@lavishisles5497 3 жыл бұрын
@@thesenate5770 In what way does The Doctor originating from TTC have any impact on the Doctor’s decision to leave Gallifrey? Yes maybe the Time Lords treated the Doctor differently but the Doctor had no idea that they were non-Gallifreyan at the time of making that decision, therefore it writes off the whole “chosen one” idea. As TTC there was no predetermined destiny for the Doctor, even TTC was just a lost/reject from her own species, not necessarily above average in the species.
@Almafeta
@Almafeta 3 жыл бұрын
"Stop doing that!" That's what every two doctors meetup feels like...
@josephjohnson3371
@josephjohnson3371 3 жыл бұрын
Love this! Been watching for over 40 years.....this just deepens the Doctor's enigma. Love it!!!
@byronstory3291
@byronstory3291 6 ай бұрын
Please bring her back she's too good
@pritanisftw5784
@pritanisftw5784 3 жыл бұрын
this is the moment when 50+ years of canon ended #RIPDoctorWho
@dillonmartin7411
@dillonmartin7411 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t see how it destroys the cannon. Ruth is a doctor from before the very first doctor. Or well who we all thought was the first.
@tombath2374
@tombath2374 3 жыл бұрын
@@dillonmartin7411 but William hartnell is the first that’s what is upsetting people if Ruth is before him then she will be the 1st doctor
@dillonmartin7411
@dillonmartin7411 3 жыл бұрын
@@tombath2374 well technically the first doctor was a child that came into this universe somehow but we don’t know yet how that happened or why.
@Patriarch.Chadimus
@Patriarch.Chadimus 2 жыл бұрын
@@dillonmartin7411 No, he wasn't. He was a normal Gallifreyan who became a Renegade Time Lord. This obliterates the canon and is absolutely retarded
@so1opiniao
@so1opiniao 3 ай бұрын
We need more of the Fugitive Doctor!! Jo was amazing ❤❤❤
@SEGASister
@SEGASister 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this twist and the one in Timeless Child make sense. The Timelords didn’t have the ability to give the Doctor a new cycle (which honestly felt too much like a Deus ex Machina to me); they just used that as a cover to hide that the Doctor has had an infinite amount of lives the entire time. Also apparently one of Tom Baker’s episodes (The Brains of Morbus, I think) revealed that he had previous lives that weren’t Hartnell, Troughton, and Pertwee.
@MushroomHaterProductions
@MushroomHaterProductions 3 жыл бұрын
That's a very interesting theory. You may also remember when the Eleventh Doctor said, in The Sarah Jane Adventures, that he can regenerate 507 times... I think the Timeless Child arc proves that *wasn't* lying.
@Squicx
@Squicx 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh series 11 and 12 aren’t canon
@Anonymous-zd1ow
@Anonymous-zd1ow 3 жыл бұрын
But the time lords _do_ have that ability, they gave the Master a new set of regenerations when they resurrected him to fight in the Last Great Time War. And the Tom Baker episode was retconned into those faces being the faces of Morbius.
@Anonymous-zd1ow
@Anonymous-zd1ow 3 жыл бұрын
@@MushroomHaterProductions No, because the Doctor's memories were wiped of being the Timeless Child in the first place. 11 was just straight up lying.
@benforth3113
@benforth3113 3 жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-zd1ow They only got rid of the brain of morbius doctors (until now) because the writers couldn't agree on how to incorporate it into the show
@stephenmurphy2212
@stephenmurphy2212 3 жыл бұрын
Ruth’s Tardis interior looks exactly like the one Fam escaped Gallifrey in.
@Squicx
@Squicx 3 жыл бұрын
Because they cheap
@misterlyle.
@misterlyle. 3 жыл бұрын
Artistic license for a dramatic moment, even if it ignores franchise continuity; if it were any other appearance, we wouldn't know what it was.
@fartherthanspace4473
@fartherthanspace4473 3 жыл бұрын
@@Squicx no lol it's because that's the stock tardis interior, in the actual continuity, that's what tardis' look like from the start
@Squicx
@Squicx 3 жыл бұрын
@@fartherthanspace4473 nah it’s bullshit that’s what it is
@fartherthanspace4473
@fartherthanspace4473 3 жыл бұрын
@@Squicx tell me, have you watched hell bent?
@alexanderthegreyt
@alexanderthegreyt 3 жыл бұрын
Chris Chibnall single-handedly undid 57 years worth of the ‘mystery’ of who the Doctor is. If there was to be an origin story, this isn’t it. Moffat hates it, Russell T Davies hates it. So much love was put into this show and now one man decided he would try and make it his own. It doesn’t belong to him, it belongs to everyone. I will continue to watch the show but I long for the time this whole storyline is explained away.
@mr.sentient7344
@mr.sentient7344 3 жыл бұрын
Have Moffat and RTD gone on record saying it?
@tombrearley-smith5777
@tombrearley-smith5777 3 жыл бұрын
You may wanna check your sources mate. Last time I checked, both Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat were perfectly fine with it. And Moffat also said that Doctor Who's cannon has never been the most consistent.
@sabrinatirabassi3529
@sabrinatirabassi3529 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't believe that Russel and Steven "hated" anything even if they came to my house to tell me that personally.
@alexanderthegreyt
@alexanderthegreyt 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.sentient7344 Russell T Davies said during an interview something like “these days anyone can be the Doctor”. I’m assuming Moffat hates it, he must 🤣
@alexanderthegreyt
@alexanderthegreyt 3 жыл бұрын
@@sabrinatirabassi3529 maybe not hated. Although in that interview Russell had venom in his voice.
@stephen5060
@stephen5060 3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I prefer her Doctor to Jodie's. The Fugitive Doctor is echoing 12, but I prefer that to the conflicting personality traits that make up 13.
@michaelpolk2344
@michaelpolk2344 3 жыл бұрын
If she came before the 1st Doctor that we know, how is her tardis the police box? It got stuck like that when the 1st doctor traveled. So if she’s before that, it makes zero sense for it to be a police box.
@moreredarcherlive
@moreredarcherlive 3 жыл бұрын
The amount of dislikes this has is just sad, man This was one of the best twists the show had pulled off in years, I don't care if it was heavily influenced by Human Nature.
@MrCdawson17
@MrCdawson17 3 жыл бұрын
Wasnt what influenced it though. John Hurt's War Doctor was a part of that though.
@user-lb9xw4xf2q
@user-lb9xw4xf2q 3 жыл бұрын
Influenced? As in, it repeated without variation yet with far less emotional impact?
@s7ppy
@s7ppy 2 жыл бұрын
what dislikes lol
@MegaSean45
@MegaSean45 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Jo sounds alot like River Song! Also, look, she has the round things! This Doctor has style!
@krisbadwolf9429
@krisbadwolf9429 3 жыл бұрын
A better Doctor in 5 min than Jodie was in all this time
@carlacristina5613
@carlacristina5613 3 жыл бұрын
For loses like you.
@krisbadwolf9429
@krisbadwolf9429 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlacristina5613 what's a "loses?"
@krisbadwolf9429
@krisbadwolf9429 3 жыл бұрын
@@brewingstation9764 I felt that way too until I saw Jo and then I was ok with it
@maximjursa256
@maximjursa256 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like most of these comments are fake
@applesfromthegroundsir3009
@applesfromthegroundsir3009 3 жыл бұрын
You'd be right for most of them
@martyevans1
@martyevans1 3 жыл бұрын
I think because of how bad the show is now, most ex fans don’t even bother coming here anymore. Why I’m even still here is a mystery.
@astrosleep9625
@astrosleep9625 3 жыл бұрын
@@martyevans1 same
@temp-anon_3690
@temp-anon_3690 3 жыл бұрын
worst episode ever for me
@martyevans1
@martyevans1 3 жыл бұрын
@@astrosleep9625 I don’t understand how people can watch the show after the timeless children. They can’t have liked the show that much if they’re happy for the entire history to be rewritten.
@enzoclarke1259
@enzoclarke1259 3 жыл бұрын
I thought she was the Rani at first 😱
@timelordrock2954
@timelordrock2954 3 жыл бұрын
I thought she was the Valeyard lol - we’re in that time period when he’s supposed to appear, so I wouldn’t have been surprised. Well I would’ve been, but you get what I mean.
@enzoclarke1259
@enzoclarke1259 3 жыл бұрын
@@timelordrock2954 yeah I get you 😂
@tardisglitch547
@tardisglitch547 3 жыл бұрын
@@timelordrock2954 she can't be the valeyard because it was explained the valeyard can't regenerate at all, which is why it's only ever played by Michael jayston
@timelordrock2954
@timelordrock2954 3 жыл бұрын
@@tardisglitch547 yes, but it would be an interesting story if he had worked out how to regenerate - maybe in the far future, he did steal the Doctor‘s incarnations, and she has to work out how to get them back. Just ideas, idk.
@stephenmurphy2212
@stephenmurphy2212 3 жыл бұрын
The Rani still hasn’t made her new series debut yet. 😞
@nicholasmills6489
@nicholasmills6489 3 жыл бұрын
Those that like this plot twist; don’t understand the lore of the doctor; don’t care for the doctor; haven’t watched enough doctor. I cannot believe people love this, it’s done so much damage. I’ve not watched dr who since. I’ve been a bigger dr who fan than most of the commentators here.
@a.m.2075
@a.m.2075 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It should have ened with the 12th doctor.
@OverWims
@OverWims 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The bit that annoys me the most isn't the adding of the new continuity but the fact that it literally makes no sense. She can't be before Hartnell as she has a police box TARDIS. Was she meant to have a police box, it get taken by the TimeLords, dumped in the junk yard cos the chameleon circuit didn't work. The Doctor (post memory wipe) then just happened to steal the exact same TARDIS?
@MichaelO2000
@MichaelO2000 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who has watched all of the modern series and a lot of the most well known episodes of the Classic Series (An Unearthly Child, The Dalek Invasion of Earth, The Three Doctors, The Brain of Morbius, The Deadly Assassin, Logopolis, Madwyn Undead, The Two Doctors, etc) How fucking dare you say people who like this part of the show aren’t real fans. Get the hell out of here with your gate keeping nonsense.
@nicholasmills6489
@nicholasmills6489 3 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelO2000 don’t believe you somehow looking at your young profile picture.
@jortseh
@jortseh 3 жыл бұрын
bit of a theory, but i think Ruth’s doctor comes after the war doctors. reason being is that she’s more open to using weapons and fighting and we never really saw who Hurt turned into (and before you say that there’s an official vid that says “John Hurt to Eccleston” just remember that chibnall wrote this) also the two interiors are quite similar and it would make sense for the doctor to go into hiding, thinking he/she is a monster for destroying gallifrey, so she digs the tardis into the ground and uses the chameleon arch to disguise her.
@langleysenterprise5134
@langleysenterprise5134 2 жыл бұрын
hmmm if you say Ruth's doctor comes at least after 12, I would agree with you just cause back then its been established that you as a time lord can only go through 12 regenerations
@theweirdbritishguy5035
@theweirdbritishguy5035 3 жыл бұрын
Whilst I love the twist can I point how good the music is too!
@astrosleep9625
@astrosleep9625 3 жыл бұрын
It's just ambient noise Murray gold would have elevated the scene
@Raftors
@Raftors 3 жыл бұрын
2 ways to fix the show: Bring back murray gold and bring back Billie Piper
@theweirdbritishguy5035
@theweirdbritishguy5035 3 жыл бұрын
@@astrosleep9625 I do think the first could be a bit more impactful but I really like the melodies of the second half of the song
@astrosleep9625
@astrosleep9625 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raftors maybe not the second one. I think she's had her time
@rememberme3619
@rememberme3619 3 жыл бұрын
@@astrosleep9625 well, I don’t think you would like the Classic Era...
@fadikhoory5350
@fadikhoory5350 3 жыл бұрын
Doctor: Why have a blank gravestone Me: because if it would be near the sea, the writing could have been eroded from the water. If Chibnall can write Martin's doctor better than why can't he do the same with Whittaker? Edit: And it's in the course of 5 minutes!
@stefanlaluna8167
@stefanlaluna8167 3 жыл бұрын
possible next twist Chib-twit will come up with the Master and the Doctor are the same person
@siennaistrans
@siennaistrans 3 жыл бұрын
tbh i hope they use Jo Martin to retcon the timeless child reveal, like, Jo knows the master would be lying but because she's a previous doctor she wouldn't know that the current doctor was told, which opens a lot of plot holes but those could be filled too and smoothed out, chibnalls choice ruined the doctor and it needs to be changed tbh
@Tubeguy46
@Tubeguy46 3 жыл бұрын
What if jo Martin's doctor and the timeless child are different timelords entirely, who bore the title of the doctor before Hartnell
@briansilva3344
@briansilva3344 3 жыл бұрын
Parallel world?
@smileyman1721
@smileyman1721 3 жыл бұрын
Would that still make Hartnell and the others just an ordinary Time Lord/Gallyfreyan?
@Tubeguy46
@Tubeguy46 3 жыл бұрын
@@smileyman1721 yes, if the title of the doctor is something you attain at a certain point, like general or luitenant
@drguthrie7621
@drguthrie7621 11 ай бұрын
Jo Martin's doctor got a level of authoritive confidence I love, wish we could get her full time tbh
@Anything_Matt
@Anything_Matt 3 жыл бұрын
Should have been a Cliffhanger.
@rickmarr8784
@rickmarr8784 11 ай бұрын
That's the mystery, is she the future or a forgotten past. I think it's the past that got extracted from her memories and locked away by the time lords. Because the Doctor did use guns and this other Doctor went for her gun after she remember everything.
@AlanomalyOfficial
@AlanomalyOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
In any context other than what was actually given, this would be great.
@lukusblack6442
@lukusblack6442 3 жыл бұрын
I did love all of that apart from a few small details. She carried a gun, and the chameleon thing wasn't a watch. I realize things change, but they're details people are going to notice. Also, the first thing our Doctor should have said when she entered the Tardis was "You've changed the desktop theme... I don't like it...". I know... I know... but it would give some people a laugh.
@EditedAF987
@EditedAF987 3 жыл бұрын
Well it’s not like they said that Chameleon arches aren’t capable of being integrated into different devices, we’ve only seen two others prior to this afterall.
@lukusblack6442
@lukusblack6442 3 жыл бұрын
@@EditedAF987 True, and I'm not saying they can't be. I'm just saying it's what most people would expect. It's less integrity, and more tradition, I guess... or even just nostalgia. That little spark of something in you when you see her pull out the watch...
@EditedAF987
@EditedAF987 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukusblack6442 nah, Chibnall already nostalgia bated us enough this series. The lack of inspiration really shows in this series
@MaraFreddie
@MaraFreddie 3 жыл бұрын
Wait! Wait. The doctor was arrested and in jadoon before jack rescued her. The other doctor is running from them. She’s after her that’s why she doesn’t know her face.
@MH5XXXX
@MH5XXXX 3 жыл бұрын
That's an episode that I would need some serious alcohol to drink.that is a twilight zone moment.
@silenceseppo7079
@silenceseppo7079 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait until the master regenerates into missy.
@filthycasual8187
@filthycasual8187 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that there's out-of-show material confirming that this Master is post-Missy.
@silenceseppo7079
@silenceseppo7079 3 жыл бұрын
@@filthycasual8187 thanks for that info. Internally crying. Lol.
@vettelsavatar
@vettelsavatar 3 жыл бұрын
What I don't get is that I thought Missy died at the end of The Doctor Falls when Simm-Master shot her.
@filthycasual8187
@filthycasual8187 3 жыл бұрын
@@vettelsavatar Evidently not. However it's not the first time a regeneration failed to kick in immediately. In the 1996 TV movie the Seventh Doctor was dead for quite a bit before his regeneration actually started; that time it was to do with the hospital anesthesia interfering with the process. In this case, Missy's regenerative process was merely stymied by her previous self's laser screwdriver, not stopped as he assumed. From what I've heard, Missy then regenerated into another female incarnation who called herself the Lumiat, who then regenerated into the current incarnation of the Master.
@danecarrington4326
@danecarrington4326 3 жыл бұрын
"Hello. I'm the Doctor" Always an Iconic line
@SuperHitman55
@SuperHitman55 3 жыл бұрын
"The Timeless Children" makes series 11 look like a masterpiece 😂
@vinokai
@vinokai 3 жыл бұрын
...I prefer that she's The Doctor from an alternate universe...
@thegreenvoltage
@thegreenvoltage 2 жыл бұрын
She’s not The Doctor. Either of them.
@EternalEmperorofZakuul
@EternalEmperorofZakuul 2 жыл бұрын
Guess what . . . . . . . . . . Agreed. Very much.
@Gbedgie
@Gbedgie 3 жыл бұрын
The moment I saw Joe Martin playing the Doctor I realized that I had not got used to or ever liked Jodie Whitaker in this role
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