Does $1000 Windows Perform Better??

[@snazzy]

"We had a slogan, but Linus dropped it." 😂😂 Best one yet!

[@TheUnboxerMan]

Snazzy Labs you're here!

[@snazzy]

I am?

[@snazzy]

h o w a r e y o u t o d a y?

[@TheUnboxerMan]

Snazzy Labs I'm awesome! Though i miss the times when Denon could make great headphones instead of just good ones.

[@Kill4Candy]

OMG U ARE THE BEST PLZ RESPOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(╯°□°）╯

[@ChrisD4335]

so the server version functions better as a server?... never would have guessed

[@LiEnby]

Linux functions even better >_

[@ChrisD4335]

This is often true but Microsoft dose have a lot of resources and there are legitimate reasons to run a windws server, some features work way way better.

[@excess.subiefl0w]

Silica lol you are annoying little boy that likes anime. Explain how there is exactly 0 competition from the Linux world when it comes to enterprise desktop virtualization or application virtualization IE Citrix Xen Desktop? Tons of huge banks are still rolling out server 2012 R2 so that they can setup Xen Desktop 7.6.

[@ChrisD4335]

mr WRX don't be like that, you are not a cool guy.

[@ghjoshman99]

G-WRX if you dont know what your talking about then stay out of the comments. Ever heard of red hat? I knew that off the top of my head but it takes one simple google search to prove your just a dick looking for a reason to spit on anime and spout garbage on the internet to make you feel smarter than everyone else. Why are you even posting this as a reply to the OG post? nobody that was talking about anything that made your argument relevant.

[@asiantownxD]

Please, everyone knows that the real performance boost comes from using red LEDs instead of blue ones.

[@pinklightninggacha]

I run my games on a 775 machine and it can even run DOOM

[@EverythingDigital5779]

I game on a raspberry pi 0 and I get -60 fps on its Videocore IV on high graphics games like pac man and flappy bird

[@gnockgnock6965]

@@pinklightninggacha Which DOOM? The original?

[@pinklightninggacha]

@@gnockgnock6965 no DOOM 2016 and by the way the original was called Doom

[@gnockgnock6965]

@@pinklightninggacha Oh... So the only difference in title is in capitalization... And thus why I usually hear DOOM 2016 as DOOM 2016 and not DOOM...

[@jakeconner2813]

Linus everymorning: how can i waste my money

[@reeepingk]

You really think he pays for this stuff? Bit naive there...

[@siedenburg1]

You ever heard of trial version and in some cases he have it allready ... in some other cases he bought it or got it from someone.

[@crawlerin]

I am not sure you realize that once a company reaches certain size, and your data requirements cross certain border, you start looking into Business and Enterprise grade of things. $300 Synology NASes with WD Reds and free OneDrive is going to get you only so far. I am sure they looked into much more robust storage solutions (think: SAN), but quickly backed off after seeing the price not only for hardware but specially maintenance fees. There are also certain laws about data retention (depending on country, 10 years where I live) and personal data security that companies needs to obey. Linus clearly stated he needed a server license for storage replication software. Besides, you can get 180 days for evaluation on Standard edition.

[@z7ealot282]

Maybe he already owned it cause HE RUNS HIS OWN SERVERS!!!

[@SIMPhony]

Any Windows will run for 30 days without product key.

[@Loachie90]

7:54 If you want the answer right away.

[@stampss2203]

Thanks i appreciate this very much

[@seenathgooding181]

i was just gna comment this to help ppl out. cheers m8

[@229BlackHat]

can't linus just have his watch time tho?

[@zachselin5257]

ily

[@brent596]

Michael Vuong

[@MoonShadeOsu]

Windows Server $1000 A Better Linux Server $0

[@pavlockara]

Exactly my point.

[@NoobGamingXXX]

Linux is not free for big companies :) so stop telling stupid shit

[@matheusenrique9809]

@@NoobGamingXXX Wth are you talking about?

[@beezanteeum]

Don't you understand: Free as in Free Speech, not Free Beer?

[@NoName-fe7op]

A better Linux server? Seems that u have never heard of Redhat. I hate desktop versions of Windows. But in enterprise networks Windows Domains cannot be replaced by any Linux distribution. This is sad, but the truth. You can’t compare Windows Active Directory with other Products!

[@heybriaan]

I'm running Windows Server 2016 because it's free on Microsoft Imagine. Best part of WS2016? No Cortana, no Windows Store, no random automatic updates and all the privacy settings are disabled by default.

[@mawcdupwe1542]

heybriaan oh, I wasn't knowing that! I might install this if there's no shit

[@heybriaan]

Be aware however that there are some steps you need to do so it behaves like a normal desktop OS.

[@cock9149]

Oh, so basically Win10 Enterprise LTSB?

[@heybriaan]

enjoy your aids I'm not quite sure what that is actually. After a quick google however it looks very similar to how I have mine set up.

[@TetraSky]

"free", if you're a student.

[@TheCrystalGlow]

Linus hey I wanted to address the lowered benchmarks in Windows server settings. In Windows server the application priority is set to background services. Therefore your benchmark doesn't get priority when doing anything that's foreground. The server set up so that it can manage the network and clients in the background, especially for AD DC, DNS and DHCP calls. So you might try re-running the benchmark in a different video with the applications process priority set to foreground applications instead of background and system services.

[@egoon97]

Chris Storer this is true. but wont effect the conclusion. witch is for the tested programs normal windows is all you need. spending 1000 dollars more wont give you any more power

[@asmendoncadaniel]

+egoon well, if you buy the server edition, you buy it for one purpose... you buy it to have your services to run... and it has different functionalities, optimized for... well, you know... This is not a good comparison at all.

[@YaoiBoy5xx]

I was going the write the same. As he explained, the reason Windows Server got lower scores is because it's by default configured to prioritize background tasks/threads/processes as opposed to Windows.

[@SoulMasterX]

That should be the first thing that you should do after install Windows server as workstation.

[@Aki-to]

+Chris Storer OR we use Ockham's and admit, that Windows is crap and that most Linux versions are already more than better and btw.. completely free.

[@isakovski996]

Now i can have video as a background. Totally worth 1.ooo$ No regrets at all.

[@nesnalica]

i never knew this. time to upgrade to server 2016

[@isakovski996]

Devesh Bapat XD

[@423FGFDFHFHV]

What is 1.ooo$ in ther eal world?

[@KyleRen-sj6gv]

you could just buy wallpaper studio from Steam for $4

[@Anwanak]

Wallpaper Engine, And it's awesome as you can even have intractable backgrounds and create your own. Steam has it for about $5

[@lelouchvibritannia4495]

I'm trying to use this Mac but Windows keeps kicking my ass.

[@Lardum]

PixelVortex is it Windows27 ?

[@toddsplaypen]

Eh, still better than google chrome

[@Ą̸̵̧-m5x]

TheMicrosoft27

[@mattthetechguy5057]

Windows27?

[@raywei8472]

who ever replies saying this joke is dead needs to be ended

[@itsdeonlol]

But, what if you you got Windows on Pirate Bay for free?

[@tnbproduction]

Deon Spates still dont see the point of having a server OS for consumer operations... whether the price is a factor or not.

[@amhraf5096]

Astralis For EL :D ''legal'' "kinguin" pick one

[@tornado63o]

Astralis For EL :D Hope your trolling because you even have a pcmr profile picture

[@dragonfyzex1546]

AmhraF it is legal. It depends on the seller

[@Terra101]

Then its more than likely filled with spywares and backdoors :D Why would a hacker crack Windows for you for free? Do you think people work free for other people to get... Windows?

[@GamingTurkey]

the eye can only see windows 7 we don't need windows 10.

[@DragonProtector]

w7 hated me kept crashing and stuff even though i loved how it looked and felt

[@taiiat0]

okay this is a meme i'll actually support. i like this.

[@wesseger9076]

GamingTurkey everyone just download Classic Shell. If you set it up right you can have the performance of windows 10 but it all looks like windows 7. I love it.

[@netiosys4677]

Grek Aka Drizzle Windows 10's GUI is horrible. The OS itself is very unstable, and it just randomly crashes while using it. it's not my computers fault, this is a 900$pc with 8gb of ram, a core i5, and a Nvidia 940m GPU. i have 4 other computers with windows 7, and never have i experienced one of them freezing and bsod'ing me. they are maybe slow, and take a long time powering on, but that's just because of the old hardware. Windows 10 just has a cheap feel to it, like unlocking the computer in sleep mode: it shows the background for a split second, then shows the colour i picked for windows (dark red) for a split second, then freezes, and then makes a "nice" password animation. if the animations worked like in windows 7, it would be fine. but they don't 2/3 of the time. the first year of using it, i couldn't even open the start menu. it just did nothing! id press it, and it'd show the hovering over and clicking animation, but nothing would happen. the pinned icons weren't there, just animations, but without the icon itself. they haven't gotten any better since windows 7. maybe new, but not better. it's not the same thing.

[@lorenzoweed2473]

Eyes don't exist.

[@VaJohn]

No it doesn't before i even watch the video.

[@FatDraft]

You must be some kind of seer

[@IAmTheRealKen]

Or a system administrator like me. :D

[@imadecoy.]

Or you have the slightest bit of common sense.

[@IAmTheRealKen]

something1random23 I mean, in theory servers are designed to be more lightweight so you would think it'd perform a lot better than Windows 10 but in the real world it is definitely not the case.

[@imadecoy.]

Ken in theory, enterprise solutions are supposed to prioritize stability and accuracy before performance, while consumer products are usually more suited for performance needs. This is why we see things like ECC memory only available with Xeon chips and the like.

[@BCProgramming]

Another config difference that you didn't note (or I missed it) is that by default Windows Server prioritizes background tasks by default, Home/Pro versions prioritize foreground tasks- This is likely why the results are slightly lower for the server tests. It is in Advanced System Settings.

[@thomasodonoghue3239]

when a copy of windows is worth more than your pc

[@hydro73_42]

a copy of Windows 10 Pro costs more than my setup

[@Pommezul]

@@hydro73_42 I got a free copy of Win 10 Pro from my school.

[@mrkitty777]

And Bill Gates is even donating many licenses to schools for free!

[@mrkitty777]

@@Pommezul free as in unaware of in slavery

[@madhoshyagnik3679]

@@mrkitty777 he's definitely unaware of that 😂.

[@centurybug]

It's weird, but it seems in the software world, the less you pay for something, in general the better it works.

[@centurybug]

tpcs True, Linux is not the best gaming platform right now. But in terms of usability, it's oh so much easier to put up with than Windows.

[@bradleystone9191]

tpcs yes, its mostly the drivers and a few bad ports. Linux isn't really supported right now with gaming even if it does have a port. It's usually not as good I do hope they can fix that

[@centurybug]

Bradley Stone I'm hoping we see more Vulkan games soon. That'd be awesome..

[@bradleystone9191]

Jeremy W i agree :) vulkan performs awesome under Linux. Did you see how Doom plays with vulkan under wine (2.0 r2 staging i think) there was no performance drops on the video i seen from penguin recordings

[@centurybug]

That's awesome! I can't wait till we start seeing more stuff like that.. Imagine never having to sit through any more windows updates :P

[@WhenYouFlying]

so basically...don't spend 1200$ on Windows? man who knew

[@bgibbzgaming2929]

mrWaldow windows server has benefits for servers. Obviously you shouldn't use server 2016 over a desktop os.

[@WhenYouFlying]

BgibbzGaming yeah obviously..but that makes this video kinda useless

[@Joker1rulervids]

It's for people who think more money = the better it is, and that's true *and* not true for a lot of stuff

[@bluefoxtv1566]

Unless you are building a server or need some hardware limitations like support for two socketed CPU removed.

[@nikolygtx8848]

i/m not even having legal one xD

[@f-104starfighter7]

Maybe performing actual server tasks on a server operating system will be a performance revelation.

[@Time4Technology]

You need to enable WiFi services using Add Roles and Features in order to get WiFi to work on Windows Server.

[@egoon97]

Georg Pf indeed

[@Time4Technology]

Plus the Intel drivers for desktop hardware often refuse to install on Server editions and require tweaking.

[@jimmyrogers918]

The reverse ends up being true as well. I had a lot of problems with drivers when I was running a dual xeon workstation.

[@YaoiBoy5xx]

That's not the solution. One thing's the role and the other is the driver. You can have either one without the other.

[@Werdna12345]

You can just use an USB wifi dongle. It will use USB drivers instead of wifi drivers

[@daniellee6912]

Why pay for Windows Server if Linux is free? :)

[@ABaumstumpf]

For when you want to have actual support or working enterprise software-solution?

[@FlamingoSystems]

ABaumstumpf Spoken like someone who doesn't work in IT. Go ahead and Google these terms: Red Hat, OpenSUSE, Canonical. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[@nocturnalnights27]

Daniel Lee Amen brother!

[@roman.sattler]

That's pretty much what RHEL is for, isn't it?

[@billy653]

because linux is shit

[@thomasflanagan7950]

"we had a slogan, but Linus dropped it".... omg please keep that forever :D

[@benjaminbuljevic7977]

8:25 XDD DUDE you put the "Fresh" ad video but the Squarespace ad audio XDD

[@LifeWithTailS]

WORD! LOL COME ON LINUS... PROOF READ YOUR EDITORS....

[@ThatIsMaxX]

Benjamin Buljevic as far as i know thats actually the squarespace video

[@benjaminbuljevic7977]

dude you people got pranked so hard

[@francisabarca]

7:28 solution is to install Wireless LAN Service through Server Manager

[@oldcracker3383]

or.... you have a free alternative that mosts servers run: linux.

[@brycegriffin9271]

Windows server is still basically required for most companies though. Users are all going to be using Windows and AD makes it a lot easier to manage them. Plus you get things like AD Sync with Office 365

[@SkyyySi]

@@fifteendollarbill You do know that there are more Linux VMs on Microsofts Azure cloud service than Windows Server ones?

[@senortocino2416]

Bryce Griffin u don’t need a windows server in order to run a windows network, in fact there is no difference apart from the fact Linux terminal (I prefer Debian) is 100x better than CMD and the fact Linux is free. Linux is better than windows in everything apart from how easy it is to download stuff on windows and how gaming is better on windows.

[@SkyyySi]

@Windows Explorer // Exploring Windows Linux server has a totally diffrent market than Windows server?

[@SkyyySi]

@Windows Explorer // Exploring Windows Wrong. This is simply wrong. First up, a non-pro probably wont spent over 1000$ on an operating system. It is also wrong that windows is easyer. Linux can install apps with 1-3 clicks and the method is (almost) always exactly the same. Linux doesn't annoy you with updates. Linux doesn't need an antivirus. Linux is more stable. Linux is faster. Linux doesn't spam random popups at you. Linux doesn't tell you wat you can and (more importantly) cannot do with your system. Linux' install process is easyer. Linux doesn't have a thousand different interface styles, but only about 5, and in most cases, the other ones will auto-adapt to look and feel almost the same. Linux doesn't force you to pay for a license. Deploying Linux on a server is easyer, too. Now to be fair, most of these things only apply to some distros like Ubuntu. But have you ever even used Linux in like, the last 5 years or so and have you actually tried to not force yourself to think that Windows is better? The only 2 arguments that can be made in favor of Windows is 1. since it is installed by default on almost every new pc, it has a massive userbase with lots of support (but then again, since Linux is fully open, it's more often than not gonna be much easyer to get community support for technical issues) and 2. it has a higher software support. However, Linux is, thanks to things like "Wine" and Valve's gaming optimized "one-click" fork "Proton", that gap is starting to close, and at an increasing paste. But yeah, if you want to use edge and the most bloated office suit on the planet where you are not gonna use any of the " exclusive features", then I aggre, Windows is easyer. Otherwise... no, no it's not.

[@demonetizeddemonetisedinmy1890]

Are the posters made out of dbrand skins?

[@bigsmoke6975]

I doubt that because those posters are looking quite nice

[@MrPaxio]

Piece of paper for price of a glow in a dark quality made t-shirt, GIMME GIMME. Also what a fail, wanted to check if that even includes shipping, and the site cant be reached. I DIED. LMFAO shipping is separate, for 3/4rd of that price I bought a tshirt from Bethesda.

[@TheYosiFTW]

yes, but designed in squarespace through tunnelbear

[@TheBhsamurai]

That name though XD

[@degen83]

You don't buy a windows server OS to use as your personal computer. You buy a server OS because you have a domain for your company and you want to integrate with Azure in the Cloud or just want more features to manage your domain. Server's are not designed to run games or high graphics, its not optimized for that. They are optimized for handing network activity and managing domains, active directory, exchange server, hyper v, or other roles for your server. Even if you have the extra money for the server OS for your gaming computer or personal computer, you should invest that money into better hardware instead of the server OS.

[@davidalf]

degen83 genius! - I think that's the idea of the video.

[@freakgamer5619]

david alfonzo Exactly Lol 😂😂😂

[@diadokmai7087]

7:54 If you want the answer right away.

[@degen83]

SYED MUHAMAD ZAKRY SYED NORDIN lol, like i have dick riding on a notepad somewhere and just copy/paste. nah, i write out my comments each and every time.

[@ddha0000]

no shit sherlock

[@geraldoswald3255]

Isn't Windows Server supposed to be used for data management and storage? Who would game on it?

[@magmoner]

Gerald Oswald me

[@jamesreynolds6071]

Linus

[@Rhime]

When I was studying Server 2012 we would game on them heh.

[@WolfSilverLone]

cuz people don't know how to ebay legit OEM physical packages for less then 100$

[@ismaelclaussell7061]

Minecrafters

[@3398chaz]

no one buys windows server for desktop or for performance related. people buy windows server for its features, Example, Active Directory, DFS, IIS, or any other features windows server brings that windows 10 doesn't give you.

[@muziekforlife8911]

IIS is also available for Windows 10

[@pmpmpmpmpmpmpm]

Wow. The ignorance in this video is tremendous. No one is actually paying the server edition of Windows for performance. They are paying that big buck for it's features. Ugh. I really thought that Linus would research first before making these kind of videos. :\

[@LinusTechTips]

+Patrick Mendoza so your assumption is that I looked up what a kernel is and the different feature sets of server operating systems AFTER running these benchmarks? REALLY?? We make videos all the time about topics where we already know the answer. -LS

[@thedemonlord8685]

HI LINUS

[@mikecekic2393]

yes roast her show that dummy

[@joehiggitt7344]

Patrick Mendoza Don't be stupid, the hypothesis that : '' As windows server edition is more expensive, presumably it runs better''. This video is just evidence and an explanation, and the video is directed to tech enthusiasts who might consider a server license jf it benefits their daily usage of a computer.

[@cheshc00]

Top Comment: Some idiot who tries to call out Linus Top Response: Linus destroying sed idiot. No response because idiot is an idiot.

[@deathmaster6117]

Hello! You forgot to tune base settings before benchmarks. Like app priority which is by default forgeround for 10 and background for server.

[@pijen]

who would actually buy windows server for casual daily use anyways lol

[@egoon97]

the official sandidge02 thats the pro version :p

[@curt8806]

Pixel yeah #outofideas

[@qwpz]

Who needs to buy it when if you are a student with Microsoft Imagine access (previously: Dreamspark, MSDN) and for the period of you enrolled you can have Server 2016 Datacenter legally for free.

[@Didier88600]

Because better to from young studiant to use windows and format their spirit.. hopefully lot of enterprise dont use windows product.

[@bluetorch13]

there are a bunch of kids with lots of money buying iphones and windows server and shit.

[@adalaza]

You could use, ya know, Linux..

[@Austin1990]

A comparison of Windows 2016, Solaris (FreeBSD), and SUSE (Linux) would be awesome. But, I don't know if Linus has the knowledge of server tech and workloads to pull it off well.

[@BlackMambo5]

Linus has knowledge in producing BuzzFeed quality tech videos for the views! Its his writing team that comes up with the scripts etc., he himself is a dumbass LOL.

[@Aimela136]

For some reason, the big tech KZbinrs seem to mostly ignore Linux. I mean, you'd think that at least one of them would at least do a video on how one could use a live Linux USB to perform data backup on a broken Windows install.

[@Interknetz]

It's pretty straight forward to do a data backup on a broken Windows installation. I've learnt to never have anything worth caring about losing personally, since I've formatted computers a shit tonne of times in the 10 years I've been using them - because when you've lost stuff before you tend to not make that mistake again. P.S Windows sucks.

[@Austin1990]

I was watching a KZbinr who did Linux videos. He even helped develop Linux. He said that he was leaving Linux because the community was so hostile. They just couldn't handle the fact that Linux has some serious issues.

[@aaronjohnson4681]

this setup linus, is very amazing i can recall in similarity when lon had made a pc on a board, much similar to ur setup but the difference here is, i think that both pretty much are pretty nice and despite all of the bad comments u had from people involving this video, i am one of the people, who actually like this setup, for several positive reasons: 1. if u are making your own pc and taking in to careful consideration how it manages , but the good news is, if its pre built, then there would be that extra level of protection so no parts get damaged due to wear and tear 2. gaming, out of curiousity, i think that theres some good in how u manage a create ur own pc with gaming, so that they can play video games 3. servers. i have to agree with u about what u said about performance , but it depends on what pc its on, if a create ur own pc is on a very super fast pc like a really big desktop, then there shouldn't be a problem in perfromance, generally because of the fact that they are much easier than mini pc's 4. media centers , as i mentioned in the previous comment during the wan show, which is about Plex and other media centers, if a create your own pc is optimized for running media servers for movies, tv shows, and even music, such as programs like plex and kodi, then the Massive amounts of movies and tv that goes into a media center would be easy to go into it and you would get the most out of it

[@lukemoll2521]

if you're comparing Windows Server, why is 8 cores "balls to the walls"? surely any benefits would be in multi-cpu, high thread count operation. or for the purpose of a single video was a workstation dual Xeon test bench too expensive? and why was there a drop across the games? Dx12? would have liked to see this covered...

[@Austin1990]

Yeah, I was thinking that. A drop in game performance is interesting. So, perhaps Windows 10 would see less performance in certain server applications. You can't compare a server OS to a consumer OS without running practical server workloads.

[@nster3]

Yea I would have used a 6950X and tested BF 1, but it would have been the same conclusion

[@xxxdroidmonkeyxxx]

Many games and software wouldn't be able to work with more than 10 cores or 20 threads.

[@Joostinonline]

Because there is other shit running in the background most likely

[@flintstone1409]

Not all Windows Consumer versions support any amount of CPUs and Cores (at least it was like this in older versions)

[@darkmater4tm]

Uhm, it's a server edition, not a supercomputer edition. Servers are about efficiency, not processing performance. It probably doesn't matter there either, but you're testing a dumb hypothesis to begin with.

[@TheMr1Boy]

DarKMaTTeR yep.. sad video

[@familiarfriend2093]

he already knew the outcome of the video from the beginning he was just showing people. linus isn't dumb

[@darkmater4tm]

You're still in the PC mindset. The performance of single server doesn't matter, because you can add more servers. A server edition of anything is (or should be) optimised to run on cheap, energy efficient hardware, and not to squeeze performance out of fancy hardware. The OS itself should be optimised for throughput of independent tasks and not for response times and tight loops of sequential tasks, which is what the common benchmarks are about. Linus' method of putting the best hardware he can find and running benchmarks misses the point 100%.

[@PhoenixWrong_]

Sidney Turner Yo a degree but won't be mind blowing. Servers need to be efficency in energy consumption so that many servers can run in a farm. That room can get toasty and electricity gets sucked up like a hoover vacumn as you cool the everything.

[@rukasu01]

>Be Linus >Using any edition of Windows Server for anything other than AD

[@MarcelRobitaille]

Does $0 Linux perform better?

[@Terra101]

Im positive it does. It powers our whole lifes in one or another way.

[@theLuigiFan0007Productions]

Probably. Because it has both server features, and Desktop features, AND all the optimization of both. It does require a decent bit of work and customization to polish it up for you needs. Once it's ready though, it's rock solid.

[@GeekinDad]

This video feels like the answers would have been obvious from the onset. I'm not exactly sure what the point of this video was.

[@egoon97]

Geekin' Dad geting views

[@familiarfriend2093]

it was to show people that the extra price was for the features not the performance. linus already knew he isn't dumb

[@GeekinDad]

But he didn't really explain why someone would use server in the first place, and in the set up he was comparing home to ultimate, not desktop to server, so this video just fell flat for me

[@Joostinonline]

Most of his videos basically simplify things we would consider obvious. I find them great for sending to friends. I used to have to explain stuff myself.

[@GeekinDad]

+Justin Hannay Having watched from the NCIX days and the Duke Nukem "cosplay" days, I know what you mean. This is just one of those videos that baffles me, and felt like there needed to be more unpacking of why things are the way they are, and the purpose of Server v Desktop OS, etc.

[@JunkTardis]

Windows Server is set by default to prioritize background services over running apps. You should try the benchmarks after switching this in System Properties>Advanced>Advanced>Adjust Best Performance For (Set this to Apps). Also, WiFi support in Server needs to be enabled from the Server Control Panel, or using Powershell. I've set up quite a number of Servers for companies

[@gabrielrangel956]

Why would you run a windows server?

[@gabrielrangel956]

PaxGrime | Viper Boosting Why does Microsoft even make it? Does anyone use it?

[@aaronlyman1859]

Gabriel Rangel Yes. Literally thousands of businesses do.

[@gabrielrangel956]

Aaron Lyman But why? Why wouldn't you run a proper server for free?

[@banjoskip]

Gabriel Rangel Buissness use it. It's not meant for a normal consumer.

[@Jamiet958]

Gabriel Rangel Most companies will have a server of some sort, windows or Linux. You will find many websites that use a web server called IIS, which is normally run on Windows Server. yes, it's very common and definitely used.

[@ThatJay283]

The performance drop is because the server edition Windows favours background tasks, while the other version favours foreground tasks.

[@nivandrew4201]

It's very simple to explain. The tested system running under the server version of Windows made a bit lower scores in benchmarks, because Windows Server runs more heavy backround tasks, some services and servers roles like Active Directory, Server Manager, File and Storage Services and has more built-in drivers for some specific RAID-configurations, multi-proccessor systems, claters and etc... All of these is an additional cpu load. So it's necessary to turn them off on Server edition. And you will get more performance running Windows Server under multi-proccessor system or clusters doing some highly multi-threaded work than on a desktop edition.

[@invalidsudo]

Install Linux. Who the fuck uses Windows for a server anyways? Linux is innately more secure and powerful, as it was designed for multiple purposes from the ground up. I guess Windows Server is just for people who hate using shell commands and the people who want Active Directory and certain tools.

[@mawcdupwe1542]

InvalidSudo only like 90% of businesses

[@bradleystone9191]

link_ 10 no, more use Linux. Linux is the dominating OS for server use. Linux has around 79% of marketshare in webservers

[@BlackMambo5]

link_ 1011 -- Where did you pull that number out of? Your arse? LULZ. Dumbass.

[@BlackMambo5]

link_ 1011 -- Where did you pull that number out of? Your arse? LULZ. Dumbass.

[@botanist3257]

A lot of stuff cant be hosted on linux.

[@user-hq2fy5cs1k]

windows server is made for 1 thing and 1 thing only, to be a os for a server, ist running a ton more thing in the back ground (open taskmaneger on windows 10 and windows server 2016 and see for your self) its logical that the preforment is lower, win server is using more resorser to operate and does slowing down the pc

[@wssyt]

Linus...have you found boot time differences? I just compared (for a project I'm working on) 2019 server essential vs enterprise 2019 ltsc (1809). I found no relevant differences in performance while using 90% of the programs, but cold boot time was really different: server 2019:14.2 sec; ltsc 24.5 sec; resume from hibernate in 2019 server: 12.8 sec; w10 ltsc 16.6 seconds (average times, same driver revision). MSI Z390M, i5 9600k, M2 Samsung 970 1TB; I know the comparison is highly influenced by hw and sw, and I'm not going to spend 1k in licensing for a few seconds at boot, but it was a major difference. I really appreciate the channel and I'm a long time viewer...keep up your great work!

[@JonAgra]

WiFi drivers failed to install? Did you remember to enable the Wireless LAN Service? 😂

[@howardkurtus7069]

do windows 7 vs windows 10

[@basefocus8969]

Windows 10 won.

[@basefocus8969]

Your opinion doesn't matter. Benchmarks said it that. I believe in numbers not Words.

[@bossbossboss]

Ali Croft win10 win only with gamemode

[@basefocus8969]

Alrighty fan boy, Just go use windows 7 and Stop shaving it into people's faces

[@bossbossboss]

BaseFocus i had windows 7. In my opinion is win10 much better

[@SuperWoody-ky5jj]

The performance difference in favour of 10 is that server 2016 is optimised for background processes (which is reasonable considering it’s a server OS). If you go to control panel-> advanced system settings -> advanced tab in Performance -> settings you will see under processor scheduling you will see two options - Background Services and Programs. Server is by default set to background services. Changing it to Programs it will allocate higher priority to programs running in foreground. This is the default setting in Windows 10. All this will do is essentially even the performance out where in Linus tests server lagged a tad.

[@g0dm4st3r]

When an 8 core CPU was "balls to the wall."

[@rx4368]

You could have said no and saved my 9 minutes

[@rx4368]

.

[@DragonProtector]

if that the answer of this like 10 min video thx you saved me 10 min of my life

[@thomasackers]

He said it in the beginning...

[@michaelderkacz5526]

The point is show you how the answer is no. If you went to watch a movie review and it was 6 seconds and the person just said "No, thanks for watching" You would want to know why tf they said that wouldn't you?

[@adityad1356]

Princ 1_1 not all heroes wear capes and sir you are one of them 😉😊

[@DJstarrfish]

Windows Server: * Costs anywhere from $500 to $6000 * _NSAKEY (among other giant fucking security holes) * Wastes CPU and memory on an ugly-ass GUI * POSIX support only available from a third party * Development tools sold separately (for another $1200) *nix Server: * Free software * No backdoors * GUI is disabled by default, but can be used if desirable * Native support for POSIX * GCC or Clang usually in base install You tried, Microsoft.

[@pyr0bee]

Myconix *nix lacks any equivalent to active directory which makes it shit for anything enterprise

[@DJstarrfish]

I always laugh when people with no background in IT or software development say "Linux/BSD doesn't have so it's bad." As if somehow, decomposing a utility into component parts, rather than just letting it be one giant, monolithic blob of feature creep, is a bad thing. Though usually it's script kiddies whining about GCC not having a built-in IDE. God forbid you sully your hands with a command line. In any case, you can go ahead and tell that to Google, IBM, Oracle, Red Hat, Canonical, 66.5% of all computers acting as web servers, and 99.6% of the TOP500. Go on, I'll wait.

[@DJstarrfish]

How am I shifting goalposts? If anything, you pulled an ad-hoc rescue of "muh' corporate space," which means literally nothing because most of the Web is technically "corporate space," and I gave you the names of corporations which don't run any Windows servers internally. Then again, maybe if you didn't outright ignore valid data and evidence against you, you'd realize that. Though in hindsight, I really shouldn't have even wasted my breath to begin with. You have an anime avatar on KZbin. If statistics mean anything, then you're probably some morbidly obese 20-something-year-old moron who failed community college and lives with your mom. Have fun with your castrated version of 389, bro.

[@Icenovae]

You're shifting goal posts by using only web servers to demonstrate % usage. Not all servers are webservers. RedHat also is paid for so saying that's a downside of only Windows is wrong. *nix OSes have their own share of security issues. Windows Server doesn't require a GUI either. POSIX isn't necessarily a requirement. Neither is GCC or Clang and is honestly a very specific need. Windows and *nix each have their own uses.

[@LiEnby]

Linux has vulnerabilitys, atleast theres no fucking backdoors and vulnerabilitys get fixed in 2 secounds

[@Joker1rulervids]

I think it's time to change the intro...

[@jamez6398]

"The good news is that, if you are using home Windows, you're already getting the most out of your system." Unless if you have a lot of RAM.

[@JohnVoxville53]

3:49 Using Paint on $1000 Windows must be a very exciting experience.

[@windseedclientnotify]

True

[@phiwatec2576]

Even the Official Microsoft Homepage is hosted on Linux... So who uses Windows Server?

[@DragonAce98]

Well, a Windows Server is optimized for background tasks.

[@betabites]

Windows server is designed for being a server. It contains extra features, but more importantly, more options and stability for server hosting. For example the lpr command (used for some printing) is only available on windows server.

[@firstnamelastname-oy7es]

What ever you think about the whole Linux vs Windows server debate, we can all agree on the fact that nobody uses Apple for servers. (Except for the FBI, and the NSA.)

[@LiEnby]

WHO THE FUCK USES APPLE >_< xD lol

[@meepthegreat]

They do?

[@ryanamberger]

The amount of time and effort you all put into these tests, you've definitely earned a like. 👍 thanks, cool idea.

[@fayneplaysdrums]

Question - Were both installations set to "Programs" under the option to "Adjust for best performance of"? (Control Panel > System > Advanced System Settings > Advanced > Performance Settings > Advanced. Hope you answer this.

[@klofar6034]

linus has a balls to the wall system. I have a head to the hand system XD

[@MasterBasser]

jesus christ, the server community is worse than audiophiles! Also, the shark edit was hilarious :)

[@gegc2003]

depends which audiophiles..... hope you're talking about those that hear the difference at 192k :)))

[@AllThoughts3rased]

Ed Go I'm not an audiophile and I did hear some differences between 192k and 320k but it was barely noticeable.

[@particle0]

I can't tell the difference between 48k and 192k with my budget audiophile headphones lol

[@ironiczombie2530]

@@tf2excession exactly, we use it for roles and features that don't exist in non-server os. Anyone using for gaming is wasting their money

[@gareginasatryan6761]

Master Basser audiophiles are pretentious retards. Server admins actually know wtf they're talking about. And yes, if there were "under the hood" tweaks, MS would have done it already. Server is about services, not speed

[@AkaObbies]

Linus Tech Tips. Who made Linux? Someone with a name Linus. Linus Tech Tips made Linux. Simple..

[@mikemichelis634]

"How much deditated Wam do I need to servur" - CringeCon 2016

[@HarveyDent523]

This video is wonderful for the 17 of us with a server.

[@Rickity2345]

Christopher McCabe 16* mark had to sell off everything to pay off the kidnappers

[@Milan-iy3pd]

*for the 17 of us (nah - not me xD) stuck with windows server - all the other folks are already with linux. rofl

[@guvanch.o]

Hey. Linus, wifi is enabled in Windows Server as a Server feature.

[@thegamingbudies69]

The hell does balls to the wall configuration mean 😂

[@davidskidmore3442]

Phrase comes from steam engines, where a rotating device with balls on the ends of arms as weights was used to release excess steam pressure from the system. When it was spinning so fast the arms were all the way out (to the walls!) was because the fire was very hot, and the engine was working as hard as it could.

[@rogerzimmerman9362]

But nobody claimed the GUI version of Server would perform better. Just that it has enterprise features. Try it on Server Core and I'll bet you see a difference. That's how enterprises increase their server performance, and that is the standard way Windows Server is implemented in business. In data centers often it is done in Nanoserver.

[@SkyenNovaA]

but why $1000 windows when you can get ubuntu server for free? (Sorry, i don't use server stuff, but i am a linux user and Windows user)

[@АлексейГриднев-и7р]

Good question. Although many enterprises use distributions like Red Hat Linux for which they pay quite a lot and get customer support.

[@SkyenNovaA]

@@АлексейГриднев-и7р Yeah, I guess so. But even that's better than $1000 Windows Server

[@jonasschollversal3721]

His Windows key costs more than my whole PC

[@honkhonkler7732]

These features in the expensive Windows versions are mostly for business use. They don't add many speed enhancements. I'm running Windows 10 Education (Enterprise, but without Cortana) because it was free for me at my university.

[@seantreacy8340]

Ubuntu Server>Windows server

[@gdwfhgsshyrn]

true, but RHEL>Ubuntu Server

[@Argon_John]

I love the content on this channel, but bad form on the title.

[@ShadowMajestic]

That drivers work on multiple versions of Windows is because of backwards compatibility driver models the newer version come with. Windows 7 has 2 driver models for example, Vista's and its own. Even though the kernel is not very similar. Kernel version numbering stopped meaning anything at that time. The actual version is in the product name.

[@brodiegarrett5566]

HOW MUCH DID THAT FUCKING COMPUTER COST??!!!

[@Porkmeat]

Coffee no prob like 8$ or 9$

[@Itwassouglythateveryonedied]

you guys are dumbasses, the titan itself cost like 4$ the rest cost 22$ it was 26$

[@arvinderdhanoa1244]

ur numbers are so ugly that everyone died. No one can afford a computer in the double digits, it at most cost $9.99

[@Itwassouglythateveryonedied]

that's 3 digits though.

[@Porkmeat]

U guys are all dumb U forgot to count taxes jeez

[@lespetitstrucsdelasemaine4047]

The best thing to do with a server is switching to linux.

[@takatominemoto7703]

Since you used the exact same installation process for both machines, you're missing the entire point of windows server. On a consumer windows OS you have a lot of intensive services installed and operating from the get-go that are meant to "improve" the user experience, some (in fact a lot) of which can't be disabled. When configuring server, you enable _only_ what you want, and disable everything else. Doing this correctly can make server perform better than consumer versions without losing any meaningful features (or missing out on memory headroom). That being said, I think one of my old textbooks mentioned server having different/"safer" memory management, which would explain why we're seeing slightly slower performance across the board with RAM intensive operations -- possibly a tradeoff for better stability.

[@johnnyxp64]

it so frustrating to read all those ignorant kids in today's world og yt comments. you don't buy Windows server o.s for gaming or rendering bs benchmark. there are stripped from most of the dx and other features like wifi. support (that's why linus couldn't install wifi because he probably didn't install the windows server role feature for. wifi). Server os is used for controlling all. other pc clients in a network and for. centralizing your software to a single hardware easy to maintain and by connecting to that from. with in a network intranet or Internet with. various ways. Simple example for lame. kids.today. a shared for in a non server os can be accessed at the same. time by maximum 10pcs. in a server by thousands. if you had a classroom or bank or a business with more tha 10 computers you. can't do. anything serious with them in. a. network. ffs...

[@unanonymous4655]

I think you've put too many periods in there.

[@thehinac01]

wifi doesn't install on server 2016 because the services are simple disabled. nothing is striped from server 2016. It's the same. all the same dx too.

[@XCVGVCX]

Windows Server 2016 installs DirectX if you install it with Desktop Experience. It's used to render the UI.

[@MycoolGaming]

8:12 that smile tho

[@tinkot]

They have different requirements where security and reliability play a big role. Ms server will run more regulated which is why it scores lower in the benchmark. Why? Because the headroom is important so it won't block and delay the core every so often. This is not important in a normal computer

[@henrypham904]

I feel like LTT video quality is going down. And these titles aren't making it any better.

[@LiEnby]

Who the fuck uses windows for a server, use linux for that shit

[@funk44]

Linus appears to love burning money on completely stupid shit... Edit: He's probably also burning a shit ton of cash on SQL Server licences as well. Pretty embarrassing stuff for a 'tech' company

[@calw2939]

Silica people administering windows network environments. Eg with AD controllers.

[@TheFan630]

Only for user management. Everything else is better of with Linux though

[@someenglishgames]

Gaming servers are far easier to be hosted on Windows (For example: ARMA 3) Also some mods on ARMA 3 dont work on linux servers, but do on Windows. Thats why I use a windows server anyway. I do have a Linux server for web related stuff.

[@RandomFandomOfficial]

SomeEnglishGames woo! Arma 3! :)

[@GeoffereyEakinsTech]

Windows server is usually optimized for background task while the workstation versions are optimized for foreground. This could explain the performance discrepancy on games.

[@WhenYouFlying]

Oh man im early..but who cares...

[@oscDaBeast]

mrWaldow nobody really

[@noahdejesus5601]

mrWaldow Apparently you care enough to comment

[@WarBearGaming]

So do you.

[@WarBearGaming]

Fuck. I guess I do too. XD

[@earnestbunbury2103]

I don't ... damn!

[@firenado4295]

apple: we made a stand that costs $1000 Microsoft 2 years earlier: we made 2 operating systems that are no different than each other but one is $1000

[@BW022]

The key difference is that that Windows 10 Home does not allow you to join a connect to a domain. Networking is limited to basic home group sharing. Windows 10 Professional can join a domain and can allow sharing of assets to a maximum of 10 other users. Windows Server allows (within licensing) connecting unlimited number of other users. It could host a web server, database server, file server, etc. for 50, 100, or a million users.

[@Daily_Storiez]

tl;dr No, it performs worse than windows 10.

[@funk44]

This channel is basically just a series of non real-world benchmarks these days. It's obvious they're completely out of ideas

[@magmoner]

funk44 f u

[@Ravencrowwise]

Hi Linus actually Windows Vista Sp1 for the first time merged both client and win server kernel. Improving the time to market of Msft Os's and prevented allowed them to have a single line of development. Cheers.

[@pentox6692]

4:11 you can hear someone laugh in the background if you are careful.

[@ElectromasterTech]

I use Windows 2012 R2 for my server. Runs like 8.1. Love it!

[@nitewolf36]

Server OSes are intended to take advantage of multiple processors with an extreme amount of RAM, and they also are intended to run in some form of virtualization.

[@NoT1M0L33T]

From my research I believe the performance on the Windows server is less so it has more capacity for a server as if you are running a website it would use most of it's specs for keeping the website up etc/server

[@Dracolith1]

If you don't want Server to have bad performance for programs, Go to your "My Computer Properties" > Advanced > Performance, And Change your Server's Adjust for best performance from "Background Services [default for server]" to "Programs" That's one of the many things in Server that has Defaults optimizing Security, Multi-user performance over the network for things like File Sharing and Web servers, At the expense of Usability, since the Windows Server product is not designed for desktop programs.

[@rollercoastermaniac2]

Ever since server 2008, the windows desktop didn't exist, it was PowerShell. Where is the desktop from? Well remember windows 1.0? Basically what that did was run DOS commands with a GUI. Just like this, Server's desktop is just is completely optional due to performance and security. The GUI and the OS itself is entirely separate, unlike consumer versions.

[@alfredgisc9171]

As far as i knew, biggest thing with versions of Windows is (as far as Windows 7, i know) was the license it came with (that long ass text nobody reads) which actually, limited usage of windows to their specific usage (hence why businesses and companies used Windows Professional or above) but actual software features were not THAT significant (not enough for you to totally omit one version for another in most general cases)

[@mhaddadi]

Will be interesting to compare NIC performance, latency, speed and any new setting that that server introduce, and how the NIC teaming affect performance.?

[@keepphobia]

All you do to get wifi on windows server is to enable wireless LAN within add roles and features in server manager

[@TheBrothergreen]

Wouldn't really expect server to be better optimized (to the point where magically you have better l2 cashe I/O or disk read speeds) WOULD probably expect server edition to be more stable (fail less often)/ Auto-recover from failures/ and maybe have some user-centric features disabled (flash/java) to make it harder for viruses to find purchase. Also, might expect more features (like a media server/mail server/print server/web server/ gateway server backend to come integrated into the program such that when you put it on a box, that box would then be a "server" in common parlance.

[@SudoTech]

It would be interesting to see if there was a difference on lower end hardware. The performance would be lesser for both but it would still be accurate (the bottlenecks Linus mentioned are not an issue if they exist on both PCs). I'm just curious if W Server might have better resource utilization when pushed on not so capable hardware. It would kinda make sense as servers are built to withstand extreme use but also with as few costly components as possible.