Does Baptism save? - KingdomCraft

[@evancolby2274]

I was raised Baptist, and I remember my preacher using the thief on the cross as proof that baptism doesn't save. Jesus explicitly tells him that he will see him later in the kingdom of God even though he obviously didn't have any chance to get baptized.

[@CYC_JP]

It's because, you said it, Jesus explicitly told him that he will be saved. He had Jesus's verbal promise so that he did not need to be baptised to be saved. However, we do not have the privilege of that theft to be literally told verbally by our Lord that we are saved. So it is necessary to have a physical sign to seal the God's promise, and baptism is that physical sign of promissory seal. No baptism = no promise, unless Jesus verbally promises to you that you are saved.

[@bhmtcarlson]

But can baptism including internal decision save, yes! These topics are our human intellect trying to narrow when Christ is expanding ways to be saved based on context.

[@JoshuaSupeiorToJosh]

​@@CYC_JP Baptism is demonstrated in every believer in the new testament apart from the thief on the cross because baptism is a public declaration of faith. It is not necessary, but it is commanded in the new testament and should be followed by all who are able and feel it necessary. Old testament saints enter heaven through the new covenant applied retroactively, and they were never baptized. You can be saved and enter heaven having never made a public declaration however, as it is through the process of sanctification that you seek to declare it through baptism. I don't believe that Jesus gave a special exception to literally one person, and I don't think that it is something applied generally to deathbed salvation, I think through the process of sanctification believers are to seek out baptism, and this seeking of baptism, alongside right confession and other processes of sanctification is evidence of salvation.

[@JoshuaSupeiorToJosh]

Also that the sinner on the cross may not be the only account of a believer being unbaptized. It is undeclared whether or not Nicodemus becomes saved or is baptised eventually, but you can clearly see god working in his heart.

[@ashleysbored6710]

I (even when I believed in the Baptist view) thought that argument was stupid because obviously at that point Christ hadn't died yet so baptism into His death wasn't even a thing.

[@ledgend_coffee]

It's complex, not complicated. Complicated implies disorder, complexity implies order.

[@AleksanderLydkunst]

The way the bible describes it, saying “through baptism you are saved” I think we can take contextually as telling us that going through the process of a TRUE baptism, we are truly saved, BECAUSE of the way the bible also describes what constitutes a true baptism. The act itself is symbolic, yes, but the process one needs to go through to make the baptism genuine *ahem, repentant😌* one needs to; •recognize their spiritual death in sin (going under the water) •needing a savior in Jesus (symbolized by a pastor, elder, mentor, or friend who helped you understand the gospel, physically taking you through the ‘death dunk’ and pulling you up through the next part) •and by understanding when coming up from the water represents Christ’s resurrection and your new spirit/life that He has given you!… Doing this act without this understanding makes their particular example an empty work The thief on the cross never had a chance to be physically baptized, but had a repentant heart and Jesus could see the baptism of his spirit clear as day.. and I’ve even heard it argued that the thief declaring Jesus while in the view of others was symbolic of a type of physical baptism, which is plausible to an extent, but to argue that it’s necessary actually would put the power of people’s salvation in the hands of witnesses to their public declaration of Christ, which we can all reasonably assert is not what the bible tells us👌🏼 Conclusion: going through the process of a *GENUINE* baptism, we can know that we are saved, because for it to be genuine, we have to have faith in Christ.🙌🏼 blessings, really been digging your videos lately🙏🏼

[@wlg2677]

But this is just you opinion. In your concept you are adding the words TRUE, simbolic and genuine to the Bible text.

[@AleksanderLydkunst]

@@wlg2677 the addition of the word is simply to point out the physical act does not itself constitute a baptism, otherwise the bible would have no need to differentiate a baptism in water and the baptism of the holy spirit.. me adding the word “true” is explained in the paragraph immediately after I said it… you don’t need the bible to tell you word for word that there are people who go through the actions of a water baptism without ever actually being caused to by the gospel. If being saved by baptism were so simple then we wouldn’t need Jesus, we would only need water and a person to push our head under, which (hopefully) is obviously NOT true.

[@bhmtcarlson]

Thus these pop-up baptizing revivals are based on emotions, not true decisions with understanding, so only seen in change of one’s life after which these pop-up revivals don’t necessarily track or followup.

[@wakichunu]

Nah it's talking about the baptism in the holy spirit which occurs when you put your trust in the finished work of Christ on the cross. You would be right if it was specifically talking about water baptism.

[@wakichunu]

There Is baptism in water and baptism in the holy spirit. Look back at every verse that says baptism saves and you will see its talking about the holy spirit and that occurs when you put your trust in the finished work of christ.

[@aaronkoch77]

I find it interesting that in His conversation with Nicodemus Christ differentiates between being born of the water and of the Spirit. No, the word for water here is not amniotic fluid. Also the word baptism is a transliteration of the Greek/Latin words into English. The literal translation is to be immersed or even more accurate, dipped.

[@aiwaschawa5272]

Hey, can you do a video showning the whole church? I wanna make one in the server I play with my friends in

[@mrshadier6879]

Ever plan on doing a video covering your opinions on Pentecostalism?

[@tonic-music]

Oh please do!

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

it's coming up!

[@victorluz9414]

Bro, when is the discord is dropping

[@Mamadouwuryooo92-c3f]

For real

[@BulkDestroyer]

I need that discord ASAP

[@westhuizenarchives2614]

What are some of Luther, Calvin and other Protestant theologians writings that you read? I wana look more into Protestant theology and learn about it more.

[@brileywells1628]

I would start with catechisms.. If you want to read Luther, start with Luther’s Small Catechism. If you want to read Reformed theology, I wouldn’t start with Calvin but with The Heidelberg Catechism or the Westminster Shorter Catechism. All of these are relatively accessible given the age and the heavy material.

[@No_auto_toon]

I have a friend who is a Baptist like me (he also left KJVO and other stuff a few years before I did), and he has a different take on Baptism than most Baptists. He believes that it is necessary for salvation, but more in the lordship salvation sense, I think. I’m not sure what he thinks about Lordship salvation, but I know he believes that new professing Christians will surely want to obey Christ’s first command to be baptized, and that if a professing Christian doesn’t get baptized (in ordinary circumstances) then he isn’t saved.

[@michaelg4919]

This is an amazing explanation on why baptism saves! Because following Jesus Christ does mean obeying him. Thank you :)

[@maxstooksberry9458]

I guess I’d be in the extreme circumstance. I was baptized at age 9, but didn’t genuinely put my faith in Jesus til I was 11 or so, and never got re-baptized. It never crossed my mind that it was necessary until over a decade later, and by then, I believed I was already born again and it would seem confusing to do it so much later in my walk with Jesus

[@bhmtcarlson]

Many do it twice after they’re decision later in life is more clear, so honor Christ by doing it as a mature adult, no harm no foul!

[@sharkinator7819]

Baptism in most traditions is a one and done thing

[@beyond0077]

God desires to save us through his creation. God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

[@antongunnarsson9912]

2:05 Also, if baptists were to believe that baptism saves then they wouldn't believe that people who were baptized as infants or those who for any other reason weren't baptized after faith and repentance but believes that they should only be baptized once and therefore don't do it again, or those who didn't get baptized by immersion etc. could be saved. Also baptists see baptism as a work rather than a sacrament.

[@Nathangames4]

Gods grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone saves us

[@rosemarykelley3078]

Catholics would say that a person who was baptized as an infant who then comes to Faith as they reach the age of reason is proof of the "fruits" of their baptism. So saving Faoth was imparted to the infant and proof of that is that he became a devout Christian as an adult. Now, when a infant baptized person does not remain in the Faith they would say that we must "Cooperate with the Grace of Baptism" to gain salvation. So, everything is covered !😉

[@darth3911]

I asked what was the reason for baptism to an orthodox christian. They replied to willfully accept God and join the faith. I then asked if that’s so why do you baptize infants if they themselves can’t willfully make that choice. Unfortunately I didn’t get a reply, can catholicism provide an answer to these questions?

[@rosemarykelley3078]

@@darth3911 Jesus said, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen." Catholics believe that the act of Baptist imparts Grace that will grow into saving faith through teaching of scripture as Jesus said.

[@darth3911]

@@rosemarykelley3078 So put simply baptism is an eternal seed that helps peoples faith in God grow slowly overtime?

[@lad6524]

​@@rosemarykelley3078i believe that the preaching of the gospel is what grows eventually over Time

[@rosemarykelley3078]

@@lad6524 i agree.

[@__-tn6hw]

Why would someone need to confirm that they are saved in order to be saved? Doesn't Paul say that (1 Corinthians 3:10-15) "10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."? If someone may be saved whether or not they may physically be baptized (based on circumstances or deliberate), doesn't that mean water baptism does not save? Is the foundation Paul speaks of a relationship with Christ, salvation, or something else?

[@SantoSaint1]

Yeah that’s what I’m confused about as well.

[@joshc2501]

Baptism is a gift of God. A means of giving his saving Grace not the work that earns it. If you want more explanation and verses check out Jordan B Cooper or if you like rap check out Flame's "word and water" album. For 1500 years of Church history Christians including Martin Luther have believed both salvation by faith in Christ and that 1 Peter 3:21 Baptism saves.

[@__-tn6hw]

@@joshc2501 "1 Peter 3:21 Baptism saves" I do not disagree that Spirit baptism saves (John 3:5-6), but I find it unlikely that water baptism is apart of the equation. "For 1500 years of Church history Christians including Martin Luther" I do not care if a majority of "Christians" (that is, some of those who claimed to be Christian may not necessarily be Christian) believe or believed, I care about what is the most correct and the most logically sound and parsimonious interpretation of scripture. "If you want more explanation and verses check out Jordan B Cooper or if you like rap check out Flame's "word and water" album." What scripture backs your ideas? "Baptism is a gift of God. A means of giving his saving Grace not the work that earns it." That is what I agree with Spirit baptism, however I do not see how the water baptism fits here.

[@MissingTrails]

@@__-tn6hw you are not more logical, intelligent, pious, or committed to Scripture than the first 1500 years of Christians. You are just a conspiracy theorist.

[@__-tn6hw]

@@MissingTrails "you are not more logical, intelligent, pious, or committed to Scripture than the first 1500 years of Christians." Who is to say that I am or am not? "You are just a conspiracy theorist." What do you consider to be a conspiracy theorist?

[@YVLsleep]

Im kind of a new Christian, grew Up atheist. Im living in a small German town, with only a carholic and a Lutheran church, I dont want to join either Denomination but I want to get baptized. What should I do? I mostly want to join a presbyterian church but none js near me (living in Germany)

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Lutheran Church is close enough!

[@YVLsleep]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 would you prefer lutheran over catholic?

[@hdog0148]

@@YVLsleepHe most definitely does. In multiple videos he has stated that the Lutheran church is closer to Presbyterian than the Catholic Church.

[@iamandresrodri]

Love your explanation

[@wakichunu]

Salvation is a gift. If you have to be baptized for salvation, is it really a gift?

[@aruasouza782]

Someone gave me a gift card. I need to go to the store to exchange it for an actual gift. But it is still a gift.

[@pandaxx2932]

@@aruasouza782 so real

[@joshlb9613]

2:44 um gotta stop you right there. Catholics don't believe it's 'magic water' that baptises you. Yes Holy water is used but the actual thing that happens is the Holy Spirit Himself baptises us. Cathedral's looking great btw :D

[@darth3911]

I get what your saying but that can be countered by saying the water is made magical by God thus is magic water.

[@joshlb9613]

@@darth3911 True but something being holy or blessed is very different from being 'magic'. Also since making the original comment I've realised that it is possible to be baptised without holy water and even lay people can baptise under certain circumstances. From memory I think in the video he mentioned that so long as the formula is correct "In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" the baptism is valid and the Catholic Church recognises even protestant baptisms as valid for salvation purposes.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

Baptism confirms your thought believes into salvation through sincerity as confirmation to what was but your own mental activation. People who are faithful but doubt their salvation remember that by faith were baptized. They are Christian. Be at peace. That's why i utterly uphold the doctrine of salve baptismus. Or salvation by baptism. A act of faith. People think conversion is exclusively "dear God im a sinner forgive me amen" and that is correct that salve oratio (salvation by prayer) saves, but not everyone who believes in Christianity knows how to pray. But by faith their thoughts becomes loyal action to the saving grace of baptism. And i utterly damn those who see no power in baptism to those who are faithful. But also utterly damn force baptisms who think baptism is magic water. Because it destroys the understanding of divine grace. By faith. Deathbed salvation is the exempt exception.

[@Mrgaming34241]

yo!

[@knatsomitab7376]

Baptised in the Spirit is how Christ describes it. Its only after I heard our Shepherds voice that i understood in the Holy Word I gained a new heart in Christ. And umderstood being born again. Ive never been water baptised but am not against proclaiming more of my Love of Christ and know who He is and know He knows me. Just as the thief on the cross. I didnt choose too repent it came with my salvation, those sins i thought so cool look so incredibly dumb from here. Like i said, I know He knows me and Im in Him.

[@erekgamingberliner2]

Do you ever plan on making a video on like christian channels that exclusively make videos on false teachers and such?

[@Joostin8]

Wow thanks!

[@Coalzzz]

First time early

[@jacobgoodrich6984]

im an atheist ,yet I find your content extremely intresting.

[@bhmtcarlson]

Atheism is denial of your vision, seeing the incredibly beauty surrounding us daily aside from the turmoils. How does a leaf grow without a creator? With Creator, you see live all around you on what God Created, aside from the fallen ones turmoils to distract and destroy our inner souls! With Creator everything connects and without, connection is lost in my view!

[@volcanounicorn5165]

Does this mean Methodists aren’t baptized

[@DragonZenith]

Honest question: I know you cite 1 Peter which would seem to be a pretty open-and-shut case taken on its own, but what about Jesus and the rich young man (Matthew 19 : 16 - 22)? The rich young man literally approaches Christ Himself and point-blank asks Him what he needs to do to receive eternal life. Jesus's answer does not include baptism - not in His first response, or His second when the rich young man requests clarification and asks what he needs to do to go beyond what is asked. Are we really to believe that Christ's own criteria for salvation when asked as directly as possible, is incorrect or incomplete? If baptism really is necessary, why would He not clarify this?

[@David-bh7hs]

People who say Baptism doesn't save are falling to the mental errors of the unbelievers who see it as simply a bath of water. Baptism is a sacred commandment from our God. Jesus was baptized and it pleased God. We aren't children of God until we are baptized. Baptism is very important.

[@__-tn6hw]

Where in scripture does it say that physical interaction with water saves a person?

[@David-bh7hs]

@@__-tn6hw "physical interaction with water" sounds a lot like a bath hmm? My point with my comment is that baptism ISN'T just a physical interaction. Try to imagine what our sacraments look like to an unbeliever or scoffer, just a bath, just a piece of bread, just a cup of wine - that's the attitude we should try to avoid slipping into! Our risk of idolizing physical signs is less than our risk of forgetting to glorify God through the signs.

[@__-tn6hw]

@@David-bh7hs "sounds a lot like a bath hmm? My point with my comment is that baptism ISN'T just a physical interaction. Try to imagine what our sacraments look like to an unbeliever or scoffer, just a bath, just a piece of bread, just a cup of wine - that's the attitude we should try to avoid slipping into! Our risk of idolizing physical signs is less than our risk of forgetting to glorify God through the signs." Then what saves a person?

[@David-bh7hs]

@@__-tn6hw here's an analogy: a wedding isn't a marriage, but it is crazy to think of a valid marriage without a wedding. Yet a wedding doesn't establish the love that should be between bride and groom, it merely consummates what is there. But is it necessary? In almost all cases a marriage requires a definite symbol to be considered legal. If love is grace, then our status as adopted by God is consecrated through baptism. We know from the Bible that our God is a God who loves to use symbols for our sake. Believing in the power of the sacraments doesn't enhance your salvation, which you already have assurance of through faith. It can be a window into a very rich and meaningful spiritual life.

[@__-tn6hw]

@@David-bh7hs "here's an analogy: a wedding isn't a marriage, but it is crazy to think of a valid marriage without a wedding. Yet a wedding doesn't establish the love that should be between bride and groom, it merely consummates what is there. But is it necessary? In almost all cases a marriage requires a definite symbol to be considered legal. If love is grace, then our status as adopted by God is consecrated through baptism." If a wedding does not make you married, why say that you can only be married if you have a wedding? (switch out wedding for water baptism and switch out marriage for salvation, and you might see that I am asking the same question) Is consummation necessary for marriage? "We know from the Bible that our God is a God who loves to use symbols for our sake. Believing in the power of the sacraments doesn't enhance your salvation, which you already have assurance of through faith. It can be a window into a very rich and meaningful spiritual life." Being obedient to God can certainly be good, but to say something enriches your spiritual life or to say that obeying everything God tells us to do is what saves are two very different things.

[@Swiftninjatrev]

Lol you made that video the same day I left the comment.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Haha I had actually pre-recorded it and it was next in line but I decided to post it today because of that

[@Swiftninjatrev]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 Oh! Thank you! 😄

[@MeakH1]

Yes, Baptism saves. Next question.

[@Urboy_ark]

I disagree baptism is an expression of your faith

[@MeakH1]

@@Urboy_ark so how do you "express your faith" if you get Baptized as a Baby?

[@Urboy_ark]

Have you heard of a rebaptism

[@MeakH1]

@@Urboy_ark If you are already Baptnized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, why would you need to get Baptized again?

[@Urboy_ark]

You don’t really have free will when you can’t walk so a rebaptism is you expressing your faith in Jesus as an adult

[@No_auto_toon]

You say Baptism saves, while PCA guys don’t. But the way you describe what you mean by “Baptism saves” sounds like the PCA. So you don’t believe it saves. Either I’m confused or you are. I hope for a response.

[@No_auto_toon]

Hey, bro. You're making it really hard for me (a KJVO fundamentalist Baptist turned 2 Point Calvinist using modern translations, lol) not to want to be a Presbyterian. The only thing for me is that you don't really provide scripture to back anything up (which I understand having heard what you said your channel is for when Keith Foskey interviewed you). What resources would you recommend I read in order to understand AND see clearly from scripture the doctrines of the reformed tradition?

[@gabrieldietz1866]

I hope my comment doesn’t come off as rude, but you basically said that baptism doesn’t save. Like, you did say that it saves, but then you go on to explain that while it’s vitally important for 99.9% of Christian’s to get baptized, it’s technically not a requirement for salvation, which means baptism does not save. At least not water baptism. I understand the point of you saying that a person who doesn’t want to get baptized when given a clear opportunity may not be believer, but that just means they weren’t saved to begin with, not that their lack of baptism made them that way. It seems like you basically went with a roundabout way of agreeing with most other Protestants that I know (I attend a Calvary chapel btw). I’ve never met a true believer who doesn’t understand the importance of baptism, even though we don’t believe it’s necessary for salvation

[@synthilein]

as far as i understand him he didn't say that. he just said that baptism isn't enough but an obligatory step for every christian noneoftheless. however there are exceptions like for people who never got the chance for a baptism but will recieve god's grace anyway.

[@hdog0148]

Basically, baptism is a key part of a believers life and it must be done. Though nothing is stopping God from letting someone in under certain circumstances. Just because you should doesn’t mean baptism is more powerful than God’s will.

[@Mamadouwuryooo92-c3f]

Baptism doesn't entirely save us. Baptism is like someone giving you a Fish to eat. it obviously feeds you but for a temporary time. However belief in God and acceptance and worship of God is the fishing hook which will give you unlimited fish for as long as you follow God.

[@ianmorin8017]

I’m Christian and I go to what I know is a reliable non-denominational… Baptist church and we do have baptisms every once and a while but I just find it unnecessary. It’s not that I’m opposed to it, I’m simply indifferent to it personally. I can tell you with 100% certainty I’m going to heaven. I just find it to be a churchy/cultural thing that is completely unnecessary, circumcisions were a symbol but in a modern church no one cares about if you are or not. When Jesus was baptised that was symbolic in light of his death being able to completely baptise you in the Holy Spirit.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

you realize you do need to get baptized right?

[@ianmorin8017]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 Yes, baptism is a prerequisite to salvation. Baptism… not getting dunked in water. I know the way I worded that was very ignorant but if, like your example with the plane, or in the case of Dismas, these are completely inward yet very spiritual revelations they had. I believe I have had that revelation and have been saved. Is a worldly tradition necessary for that?

[@DrGero15]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 I'm a Baptist and even I agree with you, they need to be baptized. "indifferent" to an ordinance of the Lord? That you "find it to be churchy/cultural" isn't at all relevant, the Lord commands it so you need to do it.

[@JohnVILXIII]

No. Baptism does not save. You have to be saved by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ before to be baptized. _18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:_ _19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;_ _20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water._ _21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:_ _22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him._ Peter is saying baptism is a figure of our salvation by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, that we have a good conscience toward God, same as Noah, being saved of the waters by the ark is a picture of his faith on the Lord. Eight people believed what God said and their lives were preserved.

[@pedroguimaraes6094]

None of this verses clearly contradict the Reformed view of baptism but there are verses that clearly make it hard for the pure symbolic view imo.

[@JohnVILXIII]

@@pedroguimaraes6094 Do you know what a "figure" is? It means is symbolic. Baptism is a symbol/figure of the true death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, which is what you have to believe to be saved. *Acts 19:4* _"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, _*_saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him , that is, on Christ Jesus."_*

[@pedroguimaraes6094]

​@@JohnVILXIII I wonder if you want to watch the video carefully. The Reformed view of the Sacraments holds that Baptism and Communion are symbolic, but also means of grace that provide the believer with what they symbolize. If you are a believer and partake of the Supper, by faith you spiritually receive the blood and body of Jesus. If you're not a believer, then you don't receive. If you die and didn't have the opportunity to be baptized (but you would be baptized if you had the opportunity), you are saved. If you are baptized, but do not persevere in the Faith, you are not. Having passes that say the Ordinances are symbolic does not contradict the Reformed view, for they are IN FACT symbolic, but not just that. But the The purely memorial view does not hold in other passages like: "John 6:50-58 This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.” Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”

[@JohnVILXIII]

@@pedroguimaraes6094 They are symbolic, a figure of that which they are representing. Baptism and Communion does not save you. Both are a symbol of what we believe: The death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you were to keep reading John 6 you would find out what Jesus is saying: _63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: _*_the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life._* _64 But there are _*_some of you that believe not._*_ For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him."_ The Words of Christ are spirit and life. By believing on them we receive eternal life. The flesh, eating bread and drinking wine, profits nothing. They are symbols of what we believe. To show the Lord’s death till he comes. *1 Corinthians 11* _25 "After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, _*_in remembrance of me._* _26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, _*_ye do shew the Lord's death till he come._* _27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord._ _28 But _*_let a man examine himself,_*_ and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup."_ If baptism would save anyone then Jesus would have went baptizing, but he did not. If Communion would save anyone then Jesus would have been handing out wine and bread for everyone to eat and drink But he did not. He went out preaching. Preaching the Gospel of salvation by grace through faith on him. Because faith only is what saves you: *Luke 7:50* _"And he said to the woman, _*_Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace."_* He did not say: "Wait! be baptized and eating and drink the Lord’s Supper and then you will be saved." The woman was saved because she believed on Jesus, same as every saved people ever.

[@TheKnightofSTL]

Children are saved by their parents faith all the time. That’s what the Red Sea was and Moses in the Nile. The faith we have is placed on us not springing from us. Baptism saves you. Just cause it doesn’t save everyone doesn’t make it not save those who believe