Does Celestion’s New MONSTER ALNICO hold up to the ORIGINALS?

[@Schlumbucketreturns]

That cream speaker really is a monster. My all-around favorite speaker is still the vintage silver Bulldog, but I have the cream speaker in an extra cabinet, and it sounds amazing.

[@semojo1]

No one does speaker comparisons like you Johan. Speakers are such a big factor in the tone. I appreciate your work here, thank you

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks John! I’m really glad to hear that!

[@danielforsberg4018]

Indeed he is! I always turn to Johan asking about certain speakers and pickups for guitars among other things. And as you stated; speakers are such a big factor if not the most important. One thing’s for sure (Johan has made these comparisons a hundred times), there isn’t such a thing as one Greenback, one V30, one G12T-75 and so on. They all differs from year to year, different materials, different impedance. An example: I was NOT a fan of G12T-75 at all. But despite that I bought a JCM800 4x12 cab; because I wanted the cab so that I could swap the speakers later. But I changed my mind cause those G12T-75s are absolutely lovely. They almost sound like pre Rola Greenbacks! Johan you are free to borrow it any time if you want to feature it in your great channel. 🤗

[@SFolkes97]

Yeah, I was thinking same. If you've ever done a video you know how much work goes into it. Setting up gear and lighting, recording, editing, software, uploading - whew! Just changing the speakers out - that alone in this one - lots of time for sure.

[@SFolkes97]

@@danielforsberg4018 It's weird isn't it? The G12T-75's were the first Celestions I ever owned - back in the 80's. Liked them best. Then gear mania and GAS went crazy and there were a million choices. I didn't like 'em anymore. Then I dug 'em out and paired with other speakers - loved 'em again. Hated V-30's in the early 90's. Put mine away. Was gonna sell 'em but decided to thrash the heck out of 'em and see if I could break the ice pickiness. It worked. Got some newer ones and loved them. Now SpectreSoundStudios channel says they've been changed. Well, it's all part of the rich pageantry of gear life.

[@jaycee30865]

We’re all forgetting how much fun he gets to have doing this. Just leave your camera rolling. There’s no work! Just kidding. The cream… Another great illustration of how higher wattage speakers have to forfeit a lot of tone to accommodate higher wattage. Low wattage speakers absolutely rule.

[@bluesful]

1967 Celestion T1088 Alnico Silver is my favourite here. What an awesome sounding speaker.

[@MartyMcFlyV]

I really appreciate all the time and energy this took.. Thank you.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Martin

[@smellytele9629]

The Alnico Cream has become one of my all time favorite speakers.

[@tonyz4292]

Same

[@HofiAgilAghov]

All of them sound absolutely beautiful, each in its own way. Great as always Johan. Thanks!

[@jkf9167]

It would be great to throw the modern Blue and Gold models into this comparison.

[@vespass225]

My absolute favourite was the 1967 Celestion T1088 Alnic Silver with a 444 Pulsonic Recone. Dang, what a magnificent tone. Ouch....!

[@jeffallen3382]

You're speaker demos are just as great as your amp ones are! Thank you sir for doing these!

[@tonebender69]

Celestion alnicos sound amazingly sweet! Those cones on the old speakers look like they were made yesterday. Excellent condition. They all sound very good!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, yeah much more pristine condition than one usually finds on Greenbacks

[@charlfrick8245]

Excellent work, thanks Johan. New 'Cream' does a decent enough job, but I was surprised at how similar the Greenback sounded to the older alnicos.

[@tomasvanecek8626]

So was I, tbh... but it is a 1973 - pretty sure you cant get that sound from the new ones..

[@mrbaiser4133]

I sometimes use a new CHINESE Greenback in a diy AC30, besides a british Blue Alnico. It`s a perfect fit, better than the new british Greenbacks

[@ac81017]

Love the T530 from 1964. Very nice sounding indeed.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah killer cleans on that one

[@MrTee-hw7mp]

They all sound pretty damn good to me. The new Creamback was a bit less open sounding but still fantastic.

[@tomasvanecek8626]

Perfect description, I was in search of words - less open, yes thats it... but this is alnico Cream, the Creamback I believe has ceramic magnet.. not nitpicking, just for clarity

[@AaronOwenSmith]

Might be that its just newer. The Edge has said that he only uses the ones (blue) that have been used the most as they are more open sounding. Give the cream 25 years of abuse and it should be a lot better. I do think they it does sound closer to the silver then the blue.

[@coldsteelprogressive]

Really great selection Johan. You're becoming THE audio encyclopedia for guitar speaker sounds :) Some suggestions for further work: "thump" became recognized early in the 70's as a very impressive potential component to excellent high gain guitar sounds. EVH, for example, incorporated the latest advances of that into his arsenal around that time. The new Cream speaker really excels there. What about 15" speakers? Can they perform in the thump area as well or better than 12" speakers?

[@markbois1713]

Love all the speaker videos this is a great resource for anyone looking for a speaker stellar job Johan. I have a 90 watt Creme in a Orange 112 that I use with my Kemper Powerhead it sounds great I'm really happy with it. The cab came with a Vintage 30 which only lasted about 2 months before it blew up. That's what you get when you push 300 watts through a speaker rated for 65 watts. But it was a blessing in disguise because I got the creme it takes the power better but I still have to be careful with the volume because I don't want to blow it.

[@Rolf_D]

Great Video, but you forgot the great Fane A60 and A90. The old Fane AXA 12" Alnico was even better.

[@Pepino969]

For me, the ones I liked the best were the 1967 Alnico and 1973 Greenback. Thanks as always, Johan.

[@BigTrouble324]

Hard to pick any favorite. They all sound amazing.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Inge!

[@stevehughes1510]

Thanks for the comprehensive A/B Johan, the T1088 444 cone has a slightly darker tone with the T731 slightly brighter than the others. Cheers !!

[@danielforsberg4018]

I liked them all except for the Cream. I really loved the Greenback but the 1967 (not the re-coned) was f..king amazing!! 👌

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend, glad to hear from you!

[@danielforsberg4018]

@@JohanSegeborn ah, thanks my friend! Your comment made me happy. 🤗 I have some things going and I’ll let you know when they are all finished.

[@SFolkes97]

Speakers, even more than most gear - so many rabbit holes! But these are ALL good. I have 2 Cream 90's, 1 by itself, and one mixed with another speaker - it's a great all-arounder - smooth, can punch hard, but always keeps its composure. My favorite of the oldies here is the T-731. I have used all brands but now it's mostly Celestion. Used to hate V-30's, then they changed them and I like the ones I've gotten in the last 8 years, and now I hear they're changing them again. Uff! Glad I got the ones I like. The Cream 90, my V-30's, the G12K-100, G12-65 either Heritage or Cream, are my favorite Celestions with current Greenbacks included, but only if they are mixed with something else. I only play clean to low/medium gain though.

[@MrACangusyoungDC]

Strange as it may seem, I now at riff 8 decided next to go to your mojotone comparison and choose the brightest greenback clone for my ac4 12 inch to get my one and only recording amp super versatile yet vintage, I hope.

[@RokinLee]

Great demo, thanks Johan!

[@dustinrieseberg8707]

Love that silver with the 444!

[@eds4754]

thanks so much for doing this. they all sound excellent

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Ed!

[@amalgamaudioLV]

Johan, i would love to hear if you can make the phone mic and the sock around it sound like a Plexi stack ;) And on a more serious note: among your best tones ever to me will always be your AC30 tones, this video is no exception!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Glad to hear it! ;-)

[@rickhuff9030]

I was certain I had made a mistake buying the Celestion Alnico Cream. Harsh and spikey. As I've come to learn, I gave it time. After some very aggressive playing I noticed it began to sweeten up. Now, after a lot more time has passed, I am thoroughly in love with this speaker!

[@NINEWALKING]

To long did not read, I am new born. Use to diss Alnico Cream. Now I love it for specific amps and purpose. Not so long after my original post I was in a guitar store on two days pedal show. First day I went there to see my friends. I was asked to bring my amp on second day. So I came and I have had small presentation/demonstration of my amp. I brought just my amp thinking it is a big store they have tons of cabinets. So I went true the shop and best I could find was Bartel 1x12 cabinet. I have tested my amps on many cabinets and I really know how they sound. Well I have designed schematics and I have built it I better know how they sound. I was looking for 2x12 or even 4x12 while they just give you more effective demonstration and can move more air. This Bartel cab was open back 1x12 but knowing their quality I went for it. I was still wondering is it enough while 1x12 are not that impressive sounding most of the time. I have connected it and it sounded epic. It was 8 Ohm cabinet. It sounded so balanced. It have had all the details one can wish for. Very sophisticated sound. Very mature sound that could do everything with style. I looked into it and to my surprise there was a Alnico Cream inside!!!! Did not sounded dark at all. It was loud enough and did all it was asked from it. I have to admit that guitar was boutique build LP style guitar with P90's. Player was exceptional and pedal board was boutique as well. Anyhow later on someone brought Two Rock vertical 2x12. Huge oversized open back cabinet with oval opening on the back. Very big, heavy and very expensive cabinet. Connected amp to it and well, it was brutal. Sound pressure was close to 4x12. It was very impressive. Louder sounds better most often, but sound of that Bartel 1x12 was just better and nicer. Two Rock cab was more dynamic and moved serious amounts of air. It was impressive. But real sound lovers preferred my amp with that Bartel cabinet. So sure cabinet can make or break the sound of the speaker. State of the speaker is also very important. It seems Alnico Cream does needs longer break in. Anyhow sound I have heard have had nothing to do to the other cabinet with Alnico Cream that I have heard before. It did not sound like this recording either. Sure way different amps make difference as well. So yeah I got my self Alnico Cream 8 Ohm to give it a proper chance. Played it like 4-5 hours in single session. I have a setup with two amps and 2x12 in stereo. I can select where the signal is going with my G3. So On the other side I have had my current favorite 12" ceramic magnet Celestion Hempback 8 Ohm. This was there as a reference. So I've played some compared then played again and so on. First on clean later with driven sound. When it started Hempback was sounding sweeter and lot warmer. Seems that it has more low end and can work in the smaller box as well. Alnico Cream first hour was not sounding that great. It have had something nice there but it was still hidden. Upper midds and highs were not accurate and have had something rough in it. Longer I have played, better it got. Closer to what I remember from that Bartel cabinet. BTW Bartel switched to Fane A60 Alnico speakers for all of their cabs. No clue why or how. So clean comparation with reference in form of the Hempback was great help. Started in big favor of the Hempback. Alnico cream was having way less lows at the start of the session. Highs and middle were nicer by Hempback. At the end of the session tables turn. Alnico Cream definitely took over the show on clean tones. Low end came up a lot but still less then on the Hempback. Middle became less prominent but extremely good sounding. Middle range become nicer and warmer. Top end became more accurate and warmer too. Hempback is classified as American sounding speaker and yes it is bit more scooped then your average Celestion. But it ain't scooped as anything USA made in Fender amps either. It still has those nice Celestion Ceramic medium magnet midds. It actually does very nice with driven sound to. It even reminds me on greenback Pulsonic M models. With bit more lows and sure bit different midds and top end. Well nothing new sounds as old Pulsonic Greenback M. This is in my setup with my amps and way I generate gain structure as well as at my sound levels. Anyhow I have played it then with gain and once again I could notice that break in was still not over. With same gain structure Alnico Cream lost some of it's top end (similar to sound on this video) and became way more middle centric. Hempback kicked ass. Hempback was broken in though. First 3 hours I have played with my power LP Style guitar. It was closest guitar so I took that one. Then I wanted to try something with single coils and closest guitar was Squire Telecaster 50's with changed electronics and aged pickups from some expensive Fender aged Custom Shop Telecaster. It sounds better than it should but it is not world class Telecaster. I currently own just that Telecaster because they are not really my type of guitar despite that I love them and respect them. IF Fender I am more Strat person. Though last decade it seems I am Les Paul player. Though I enjoy many different guitars. Again starting with clean and then with dirt. Now clean was still great but driven sound was still changing. Then I have run out of time. Later on I have played it with my R7 Murphy lab but with extremely low levels so I could not hear it proper. Nor enjoy it that much. Anyhow Alnico Cream. Well ti needs break in. Long one as well. For many normal amplifiers, Alnico Gold can be an awesome upgrade. On some amps it can be to much as well. On vey high end point to point boutique hand wired amps top end and clarity can be double edged sword where speakers like Alnico Gold can turn to be over bearing and top heavy. With such amplifiers, especially with clean sound Alnico Cream 8 Ohm of the current production is awesome. What it does with midds and highs and details is wonderful. Singing middle range. Beautiful. Balanced and detailed. Very nice sound both for the rhythm and for the single notes solos. Overdriven sound? Well for some type of sounds M size ceramic magnet Celestions are the way to go. Sure some Alnicos models do it better with some amps but Alnico Cream is not bad either with correct amplifier. In my case it was more expressive in solos then my Hempback. Hempback have had ridiculous power chords sounds. Well I haven't had time for more break in and comparing. Need to play it way more. One thing is sure. Mixed together, they sounded stupid good both clean and driven. Alnico Cream 8 Ohm is here to stay. Hempback as well. Sure My Fulback and G12-35XC and few others are there to stay as well and I love those still. But one thing is sure, my view of Alnico Cream changed for 180 degrees. Now I think that with proper amp it is extremely good speaker. That said it is for the specific driven sounds and amps. It is not speaker to replace original Greenback M Pulsonic Pre Rola speakers in a Marshall stack powered by Superlead 100 in ideal reproduction of Epic classic Rock sound. But in the todays modern gear it certainly can make new type of epic sounds.

[@JohnBenoit46290]

that riff 3 is beautiful

[@mrkite89]

This is great. Thanks Johan! It would be very interesting to compare the old Alnicos (Blue and Silver) to the new Blue (made in UK) and Vox\Blue (made in China until ~2009).

[@nandakumarkulandaivelu8967]

Thank you Johan,,Celestion speaks...Keep Good Health..DrNanda..India

[@hannuback]

I have had a Cream in a 1x12 cabinet for something like 4 years now and I haven't really changed anything in my live rig since then, I think. I do play mostly clean and I don't like to make the speaker break up. I've been really satisfied with it.

[@RG-yz8ov]

Yep I love the cream!! My fav alround. Tube break up much nicer than speaker break-up.

[@YeatzeeGuitar]

Own the alnico cream in a 1x12, it's a very smooth and pleasant speaker. Not a good fit to compare to the 60s Alnicos which are quite a bit more chimey. The alnico cream is a lot more versatile, and obviously can handle way more power. I like it but don't love it. Not a ton of character, a little too polite at times but I do know whatever I plug into it will sound good and not harsh which has its advantages.

[@hatcat4167]

1964 Alnico and Alnico Creamback sounded incredible to my ears! Really like them.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear it

[@tonebender7897]

Another great video 😃 Lots of love from downunda brother

[@rcole3321]

What an incredible effort here Johan. Did you really change the speaker 54 times? Or record all 9 riffs with one speaker and then change? Incredible you can repeat the riff so closely 6 times.

[@siegfriedwashburn3484]

Hi, Johan! Last time I am more interested in the blue back. I like 1964 and 1973 green celestion, and Vox, but this blue one of 1964 gonna be nice to plug the strat to those blueback and check out the clean tones! Here I have no problems with the gain, but I am oriented to greenbacks of 1973 to compare with. Have a nice weekend! See you! S.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Have a great weekend Siegfried!

[@frantisca]

Thanks for your work Johan. Excellent comparison. I’d say it depends on your use and the amp it’s in. I had a ‘64 Elac Alnico that was very good, an Alnico Blue that sounded quite harsh and a G12 75T that lacked a bit of tightness all were replaced with an Alnico Cream that’s very versatile, powerful and suits many genres. Combined in a 2x12 with a CreamBack G12M65, it gives very good results. Maybe yours wasn’t fully broken in yet ? The ´73 GreenBack really shines with all the riffs. Cheers !

[@nickbenjamin6527]

I've got a 2x12 open back cabinet with Alnico Creams in and it does sound very cool. I can hear in this video that the older lower power alnico speakers all have a fatter more vocal lower midrange that makes it sound like there's more sustain that the Creams don't do. I don't mind that tightness in the Cream: it can be a great benefit for some amps and styles. I've also been playing around with some of the current Fane models: the neo mag N30 really has that singing vocal quality, very interesting speaker, and the new F30 has a great rock midrange, kind of more greenback than any of their other ones I've tried.

[@vincenzoerriquenz2356]

Hello Johan, in this comparison I would say that the new Celestion alnico 90watt Cream holds up very well with the other vintage alnico speakers, certainly it hasn' t the sweetness on mids and highs that aged speakers have, but being " mid pokey" the good news is that is very similar to the vintage greenback! The only drawback I would point is that the new Celestion Alnico 90w is bloody expensive, at almost 300 euros competes with vintage speakers, cheers!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah, it’s more than a vintage Greenback as someone pointed out earlier. Cheers!

[@8BombCustom]

Great! Thank you!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@yaniv-nos-tubes]

johan you are my favorite youtuber! i love the alnico cream and i have one on a hotrod deluxe that's rented for gigs with many different players and styles and everybody loves it players and sound guys ,my advice is if you have an alnico speaker and it's a bit too bright (say you have a strat or an sg) put a vintage mullard i63 tube in v1 it's a perfect match.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend, glad to hear that!

[@Superchixxx]

All sound great! Are you speaking into your sock in the intro? 😂. Hope all is well & enjoy the weekend 🤘

[@JohanSegeborn]

All is well here my friend, hope you are too! Cheers

[@michaelnachoescamilla6241]

Pardon me but holy shit that sounds SO good! Well done!

[@TechMetalRules]

I just got an oversized Port City 1x12 with 16ohm alnico Cream and it sounds excellent with my Friedman Dirty Shirley mini. I don't actually love the speaker with most amps, but it pairs perfectly with that "modded Marshall" sort of voicing. Context is everything.

[@maxwellblakely7952]

Combine the Alnico cream with a V30 in a 2x12 cab. It’s amazing!

[@dananthony6258]

I like the 1964 G12 the best . I mean if I had to pick one to put in a cab . I would use that and the 1973bin the same cab if I could. Thisnis so amazing we get to hear this back to back. I should be taking notes.

[@rhettlawrence8149]

The two 64’s (blue and silver), were my favorites. How do you accommodate the fact the blue was 8 ohm and silver 16 ohm? (Could play a role in sound too). Would love to hear comparisons with these 64’s, to new ones (UK? China?) Great job and thanks!

[@BMichel347]

Nice, that Vox is very sweet

[@dantahoua]

Great content as usual. Just for idea: a comparison between the 10inch vs 12inch version of Celestion speaker would be great. Also a 10" celestion/wgs speaker comparison including the famous old G12L35 would be great. :)

[@alanst.4417]

Wow, the original Alnicos sounded just killer, my favourite would probably be the silver T1088! The recone and the reissue were quite darker, but the latter probably close enough considering the 90W. And I was definitely surprised how close the 1973 greenback was! Cheers Johan and rock on!

[@idiotburns]

Awesome video, love the T731 and the cream just wants to be cranked, so it just sounded correct at the end there!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@heikopfister9739]

but what is the use of a speaker only sounding really good gained up? I didn't like any crunch or semi clean with the cream back. And like always did like the 55hz quite a bit. the 1964 really stood out to my ear - but not in all applications. some of the best tones, but also some weaker spots. the best all around might have been the two silver bells, 55 and 75hz

[@idiotburns]

@@heikopfister9739 I record loud anyways, I much prefer it, if you cant you cant.

[@idiotburns]

@@heikopfister9739 I think that I just meant the only time the cream was great was the end, but was choked out a bit by lower volumes.

[@heikopfister9739]

@@idiotburns ok, I see the point. I'm kinda blues/jazz/Americana player and live in the clean/crunch spot. I barely play cranked - not primarily because of the volume, but the achieved sounds and colours. So to me it is really important how a speaker handles clean tones. And that's where I liked the cream the least. That doesn't mean I consider it a bad speaker per se - just not for my applications.

[@leiferickson3183]

If you drive the cream at 75% of its power does it put the speaker distortion at the same point as a vintage speaker driven to 75% of its wattage? Or would it be over driven far beyond what is possible with the vintage version?This is really my question about these high power versions of vintage speakers.

[@JohanSegeborn]

It will have more speaker distortion but basically the same frequencies s d break up

[@AaronOwenSmith]

Blue is the one for an AC30, but here the Silver is the one, the Cream sounds close to it but a bit less open, might just be that its newer. Interesting that green isn't that much different from the blue but a harder attack, less creamy sound.

[@o-meg-a6043]

I have a super rare (as far as I know) Marshall 4x12. It is a JCM800 1960AV 280w 8 ohm lead cab loaded with original Marshall Vintage speakers. I have seen 16ohm, but never 8 ohm versions before. Know anything about these? Speakers are dating to 1988.

[@waldemarpierzchalski]

I have one 100 watt alnico Jensen Blackbird, two of them would be enough for all of 1959 Marshall needs

[@eddieholmes3236]

I love the bite of Alnicos, although it takes some handling. Not much in it, but the '67 T1088 (without the recone) was my pick. Thanks Johan!

[@picksalot1]

All the Speakers sounded good, and I suspect could be dialed in to meet one's needs. My favorites were the Greenback and the new Cream, as I prefer warmer tones in general. Thanks

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks

[@rejuvenator8966]

Those were my favorites too

[@drloqutis2492]

Is that the super rare celestion sock mic covers on that IPHONE?

[@johanhofstedt7317]

Great Work!!

[@aronhallam6449]

I'm not much for the 90 watt. I'm not sure you can go above 65 watts on a single speaker and still get a nice round tone. Those 100/150watters might be okay for metal ... i love the amps in the video.

[@DMSProduktions]

Interesting!

[@bottomkitchen250]

The first T1088 has the sound for me.

[@LPCustom3]

Thanks Johan! I have all of these same speakers (lucky me..). Nice to hear a side by side comparison! I have the new Alnico Cream in an old MusicMan RD100 combo! Sounds so much better than the EV that came with it. I have the T731 in my Marshall 1974x! The T1088’s came in my 1964 Vox AC30 that I got back in the mid-90’s. Maybe you could do a side by side of the cream Alnico to the Fane cream Alnico..?

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! I bet that T731 kills in the 1974x!

[@jasondorsey7110]

Surprising to hear that, EV's are a tough act to beat

[@LPCustom3]

@@jasondorsey7110 I never liked EV's as they're too clean to my tastes.

[@LPCustom3]

@@JohanSegeborn Yeah, that it does! I have a pair of Marshall labeled T731's in my BluesBreaker clone.

[@juliusmanno337]

Johan I prefer best the 67 Alnicos and 73 greenback but I think the new creamback also fits nicely in that family. The 64 alnico is a bit too hi fi for my tastes. Perhaps add a little hi eq to the new creamback and that will sound even better! Once again you show us we can work with new speakers thanks!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Julius!

[@noahbenson585]

Johan, which brand sock do I buy if I want to get the warm and creamy crispness that you got out of an iPhone mic??👀 Sidenote: It’s interesting the old speakers are more bright and full compared to the cream

[@RG-yz8ov]

It has to be a 1969 creamback sock, definitely thicker than the socks of the following era's. However is you find the cream with the blue strip anywhere from 62 to 65 you'll find a silky texture unmatched, but they are rare. Stock nike 2000 + are way to harsh and spikey "swap them out"

[@ManicMaximus]

Great sounds as usual Johan! Has anyone here successfully mixed an alnico and a ceramic in the same cab? Would give a lot of options in the studio blending the mics!

[@psychbeat]

I’m currently running a heritage G12M and Cream Alnico in my 1965 Pro Reverb. Both VERY well broken in :) It’s really nice to have the choice of either. I used a variac and some acetone on the cream when it was new. Sounds good after a couple of years of shows and rehearsals!!

[@tonebender69]

Best I liked the 64 silver and the alnico blue. But any of the vintage ones sound great

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

Close call. From the alnicos i really liked the reconed 1967, closely followed by the other 1967, then the blue and i liked the creamback the least. Something missing there. The ceramic Greenback was spot on target for rocknroll. I mean, it is just sooo 'present' with those punchy mids..almost the opposite of the creamback..

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

Sorry, i forgot the 1964. Surprisingly NOT to my liking.

[@rcole3321]

I thought the 64’ G12 was going to be my favorite but the silver with original cone was so harmonically rich! The cream is nice but too compressed for my liking.

[@BradPham]

Have wondered how the Alnico Cream 90w sounded after being broken in. The clips on KZbin that I’ve seen so far have it sounding good with high gain boutique amps. But for cleaner tones it’s almost too hi-fi and a bit spikey across the board. Looking forward to the comparison!

[@DMSProduktions]

THAT'S alnicos for ya! WHY you get that alm hifi chimey sound on a VOX!

[@BradPham]

@@DMSProduktions OK. Thanks. It’s a learning experience! A fun one too 🤩

[@DMSProduktions]

@@BradPham ABSOLUTELY!

[@BradPham]

@@DMSProduktions Finally had a listen. Fascinating how muffled the 90 Alnico Cream sounds by comparison. But that’s not the whole story. It seems to focus the sound to the actual note being played instead of the often harsh overtones. Very interesting and thanks to Johan.

[@HF1600ie]

That t530 is amazing. The cream seems to be too off the main tone. Too dark sounding. Just like the G12M. Or maybe those old alnicos are too bright ?

[@JohanSegeborn]

They’re almost too bright with the Marshall but very balanced with the vox

[@tomasvanecek8626]

@@JohanSegeborn I would expect exactly the opposite... el84s sound like shattering glass, like pins and needles ;) I so much prefer the Marshall sound to Vox.. other than Vox 50 watters with el34s...

[@jasondorsey7110]

@@tomasvanecek8626 I get what you're saying, and it definitely pertains to alot of voxes I've used, but I have a '65 Kalamazoo which runs on a single el84, and it sounds very smooth and sweet cranked, so it would seem some of that is the circuitry built up around the tubes as well

[@tomasvanecek8626]

That 1964 T530 is pure magic.. and the 67 reconed too. The new Cream is surprisingly good, almost close. I just wish you could make a comparison of the Cream vs. Gold, because we can never get those old ones ;) Just to hear what we can get these days.. Do I have to say you outdid yourself again here ? 🙃

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Tomas! That’s kind of you

[@tomasvanecek8626]

@@JohanSegeborn .. thanks for all this! You are the man .. we would never know so much

[@frantisca]

I hesitated between the Cream and Gold and chose the cream. The Gold was more precise for cleans, but the Cream was more powerful and better for all-round purposes. A very good speaker.

[@tomasvanecek8626]

@@frantisca Thanks, good to know your experience.. and just two Creams are safe for a 100watter on 11 😜

[@jonnybeck6723]

Johan, what do you think like did you have a favorite and, Is the new Creamback broken in? Thanx man

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hi Jonny, I don’t know how many hours it’s been played actually, I can ask the owner

[@JohanSegeborn]

I like the reconed T1088 best for gain and the T530 blue for cleans

[@NINEWALKING]

Great Comparation. To be honest I am not great fan of the Alnico Cream and especially not a fan of the Alnico Ruby. Sure they can be solution for some amps that are to ice picky but these are not my cup of tea. Funny how much it means where do you listen to this video. I have started in my car and it has nice stereo with subwoofer and all. Reconned Alnico Silver, Silverback/ Silverdog Sounded weaker and worse in car. Now I have listened it twice on my main PC with great sound card and Studio monitors and that reconned Alnico Silver sounds great to me. 444 cone was lover resonant Frequency and is bit heavier right? Does not matter sounds great to me. So for my taste old T731 is best Celestion speaker ever. Here it is in the top to. Though it shares places with two old Alnico Silvers. Greenback is emotional thing I love but I do not think about it in comparation with Alnico speakers. Alnico Blue, Bluedog. Britishdog or how ever you want to call it is an epic speaker and it is right there with Silver backs. Even modern versions once broken in sounds awesome to me. beginning

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! I’m glad to hear that!

[@StillLivinginthewoods]

A used 70s Greenback can be bought for less than the new Alnico Cream,.. sounds to be like that would be the best bang for the buck. That Alnico Cream sounded disappointing to me compared to the others..

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah it’s quite expensive

[@curtisprice9806]

THE CREME SOUNDS NOTHING LIKE THE BLUE!!! THE VINTAGE BLUE WAS KILLER!!! 🧨👍 (12:40-13:20)

[@jean-philippemorin1176]

The t1088 (both) sound awesome, the one with original cone a little morethan the reconed. the new celastion 90w holds well against them and against the greenback which sounds a bit darker Compared to them. I would be happy with any of them. :)

[@livingabovethe12th]

Johan with his Adidas Ankle-cut windscreen 😉

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hahaha! I actually think those are Puma socks 😂

[@livingabovethe12th]

@@JohanSegeborn I should have known that from the vocal tone.

[@kaarefestvog6540]

If like to see what you think I'd the Jensen Blackbird.

[@FuriousMess]

impossible choices! so many great sounds. a real sonic salad.

[@anthonycamillos3719]

As speakers go this is practically the same sound

[@paultrombetta]

New Cream sounds great

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks

[@BeefDog666]

pre rolla greenbacks will always rule the most

[@gcvrsa]

The AlNiCo Cream is the best Celestion ever. The big criticism I have of this video is that the Cream is a 90 W driver, designed to be used in much more powerful amps than the ones being used here. A 30 W AC30 is not going to show the Cream at its best, when compared to a 15 W vintage G12.

[@MatteoTorgy]

A 5-watt amp is as capable of wringing the intended tone (or voice) out of a 90-watt speaker as a 15-watt amp is capable of wringing intended tone (voice) out of a 15-watt speaker. 15-watt speakers aren’t necessarily designed for 15-watt amps. In terms of a speaker’s voice, driving it as close as possible to its power rating doesn’t necessarily mean driving it to its fullest potential in terms of tone/voice. As examples, the sweetest tones I’ve heard lately have been a Swart 5-watt head into a Celestion Cream (rated to handle 90 watts) and a Magnatone Super Fifteen combo lined out into an 80s EV12L (rated for 200 watts).

[@stevencancel1727]

Like the '67 alnico with 444 cone the best, 90 watt creamback sounded sterile dark like it was covered with a thick blanket for recording, this new speaker does not sound good in this test

[@AmpAHolic-wn6mr]

The Creamback was my least favorite. Seemed a little thinner than the others. Had that sound, but needs some tweaking. Perhaps a good break In would be the fix.

[@paultrombetta]

Sidenote: the Creamback Neo is killer

[@AudreyYun]

still nothing beats a greenback

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah, that’s my benchmark too. But I thought the 1088s sounded like Greenbacks but a bit punchier and brighter

[@vannmagruder9038]

Was it designed to be like the alnico the Allman bros used?

[@JohanSegeborn]

No Duane and Dickey used JBL D120F Alnicos as I have understood it. These are Celestions. It designed to be like the Blue I’m this video but to handle more power from the amp

[@gbaren]

The A,nico Cream sounds like someone is pushing on it w their hand…congested, sadly

[@averyadrian1534]

The older speakers over the dull sounding cream alnico The silver 444 cone followed by the other silver from 1967 - then the blue, Then the greenback Then the uncovered silver alnico The alnico cream was too dull

[@eduardwilliams1245]

Juicy celestion tones.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Eduard!

[@alistairfletcher6187]

Can't beat an old cone. FYI, you can find dirt cheap 60's alnico speakers off of old Hammond Organs.

[@what1864]

the creamback is missing detail on my end, seems voiced the same but a little darker then the rest and lacking detail the others produce , still sounds great though and considering it's higher wattage rating and the fact it is a new speaker that is to be expected to some extent ...

[@daveandrew7014]

Great comparison but somehow your setting has screeching treble that's really cringe like scratching nails to blackboard feeling for some reason.

[@vintagetone22]

Greenback all the way.🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hi! I’m really glad you’re commenting and I appreciate it, but please leave out all the repetitive emojis, since it usually indicates a bot. Cheers Johan

[@cgavin1]

The cream sounds like it will bed in nicely in a few hundred hrs of being pummelled. 😇

[@JohanSegeborn]

They usually don’t go brighter with time though

[@cgavin1]

@@JohanSegeborn Heheh don't spoil it tho 🤣🤣🥰

[@jasondorsey7110]

@@JohanSegeborn Might just have to use it tastefully, like to calm an overly bright amp

[@voxpathfinder15r]

I like the silver Alnico speakers best. Alnico cream rolls off too many highs

[@coldsteelprogressive]

The situation may actually be the opposite. The new Alnico cream is not at all lacking in highs. It's Johan's setup that is producing that comparative imbalance because his sound is tailored for the older speakers. What the new Cream Alnico offers is vastly improved articulation of lows, mids and highs! You may need to apply light EQ adjustments to get the very best response from them across the desired ranges. But if you've done that, then quite possibly no other speaker anywhere can give the same tone quality.

[@voxpathfinder15r]

@@coldsteelprogressive well in the video it has appreciably less/fewer highs compared to the other speakers. And loudspeaker engineering 101 tells me in order to get a higher wattage rating - you need a larger diameter voice coil former along with a heavier voice coil former material for improved heat shedding. The added weight can affect efficiency & resonance peak. But the larger diameter voice coil rolls off more high end. You can’t get around those physics.

[@JONNIE_ROCKER]

1088 👍👍