Does Chris Haslam CHEAT at Laser Flips? | Secret Pro Technique

[@phdayz]

Hey Aron I'm the guy who did the 540 laserflip in this vid. I know I use my heel to help with the scoop of the trick, but I still feel my front foot graze against the board to help with the flip. Even though my back foot helps with both the spin and the flip, it doesn't completely override the full effort I put into making the flip happen. For this reason I wouldnt consider it cheating because if I could make the board do that entire rotation with just one foot then it would fall into the category of a pressure flip (at least I'd think so). Either way I dig the videos and I like the amount of effort and observation that goes into these. I've always noticed how a some people do laser flips the way I do mine and how other people do it with a more "tip-toe" position on the tail to avoid scooping it with the heel. Regardless I still think it's the same trick, just done differently.

[@TheAtoll]

Haslam just called you out on the Nine Club for this video.

[@Nightspeeds]

I used to tell all my friends that Haslam cheated and reffered to MisterCK (Aymeric) haha, they didnt believe me. Sick you made a video about this.

[@RadRatVideo]

Haha yeah people on forums knew about it but nobody else did

[@leovuitton9117]

Wouldnt a kiwi flip be harder because you have to make the board flip under as well?

[@xavierrivera9130]

Both of you blew up

[@tyhggb]

A

[@tyhggb]

This must be where Mormons become novice skaters

[@sk8vegan]

Great analysis. I don't think anyone else would've caught (or mentioned) that simply because it's Haslam lol big fan of his innovations. Never tried this laser underflip

[@RadRatVideo]

Thanks dude! I like your channel

[@unclereyofficial]

nice video bro I got mad respect for you and your content. and I believe you should have way more subscribers

[@HxWilliams]

Rey Whiley true that

[@RadRatVideo]

Thanks! I appreciate that. Tell your friends!

[@unclereyofficial]

Rad Rat Video I sure will bro and hopefully your youtube can expand overtime. best of luck

[@Thomas-ej1cv]

I did today!

[@RasKitchen]

love this skerd stuff! subbed

[@liftedviewz]

Hey ras kitchen haha

[@pow910]

Chris haslam mentioned your video on the nine club lol

[@Sk8inTrav1212]

Had to come rewatch after Haslam brought it up on the nine club!

[@PJosepherum]

This trick appears to display the maximum airtime for side-on visibility of the deck's underside artvert. Looks neat too, I'd like to see it performed on a ramp

[@HxWilliams]

ayee Congrats on 3k subs

[@RadRatVideo]

Thank you! It's a big milestone for me

[@joegoodwin7292]

Rad Rat Video ayyyy talk about how trendy skateboarding started

[@ArmorgamesFan]

I think its a shame... way too few ;)

[@Albinfasth]

Hx. Williams 12000

[@JohnDoe-zq1ho]

Uhhhhh guys? Chris Hallam ISN’T cheating. He KNOWS they’re different, and even made a trick tip about it, specifically mentioning the underflipping.

[@sackofratgutsincatvomit5627]

When I first started skateboarding my first flip trick was a pressure heelflip and I learned it by accident. I used to call it a heelflip until I learned what it really was.

[@benhaney5843]

Heh. You could take out Nyjah at BATB then

[@ps5622]

Super awesome video, even more than usual! I have a hard time learning lasers so I'll try this tomorrow. Thanks Aron! :)

[@Jakeee850]

He called this video out on the 9 club it’s definitely in his head

[@ensbergur99]

yikes, ya, think it might be

[@r1v3th3d.43]

Where does the footage of the "step off 360 shuv"/shuffle(?) at 0:30 come from? it definitely looks like an early 90s video but I'm not sure which one. Great vid btw! Youre one of the few real skate channels on youtube that is mainly skateboarding.

[@RadRatVideo]

Thanks! It's Tim Jackson in "Risk It".

[@zewkee4861]

I always thought haslam's switch lasers looked strange that's cool

[@cabaiste]

Good video. I always thought I was cheating when doing pivot fakies, I actually do a pivot to power slide to fakie. With plenty of practice you can hide the power slide bit.

[@ArmorgamesFan]

Yo Rad Rat! I've been watching for a few months and you always improve your videos. Keep it up! My question is: What do you think makes a good style for a skater?

[@RadRatVideo]

Good question. I'll see if I can come up with an answer for you soon

[@IAmTheBestMang]

That 360 underflip of yours was rad... rat. No pop at all, but looked really cool. Also, Cody Cepeda at Lake Street (3:41)? I recognise that place from Braille and Chris Chann. I believe Chris hung out with Cody, so I wouldn't be surprised if Chris was there as well.

[@drids.]

IAmTheBestMang thats actually footage of one of chris's trick challenge series. Just type in somethin like " 540 bigheel trick challenge chris chan" n u will find it.

[@IAmTheBestMang]

Yeah, I realised that after I posted it.

[@animalsnacks]

Sweet vid. saw this in my recommend. keep up the good vids yo

[@Mafon2]

360 underflip! Wow!

[@STREETCOFFEESkate]

Haha awesome to see Aymeric here ! He's a rad and nice dude

[@RadRatVideo]

Ouais, il est vraiment formidable !

[@That6dogsfanboy]

In New Zealand "kiwis" r called kiwi fruit because if u say u feel like a kiwi they would think u feel like a New Zealander or eating a kiwi which is a bird

[@dabfacekillah2474]

See you next Tuesday. LMFAO!!! One of the funniest ways I've seen that pun used.

[@Jack-xy4fy]

Nah that's definitely not cheating. That's like saying Andy anderson cheats at ff impossible because it doesn't flip on the intermediate axis. Everyone has their unique styles and way of expressing themselves

[@cbshaw]

It's pretty much like the difference between an illusion flip and a frontside flip, or a 360 shove and an impossible. You get the same result, but with variations in style and execution. Personally I prefer a fully wrapped impossible, but many people consider a 360 shove the same trick. I think we are splitting hairs, but in the most awesome of ways. Style matters, but if you land it, I wouldn't call it "cheating".

[@КатяПурфюрст]

From this moment for me naming tricks will be like "regular" and "switch". So it will be Traditional Laser flip and Kiwi Laser Flip.

[@gunnyent530]

I agree with Aymeric ppl have different ways to do the tricks ie frontside flips hard flips impossibles ect but i also agree theres differences to the trick and ones cleaner and those differences should seperate the trick its in the same family but it should be a different trick i would like to see more skaters doth both variations of tricks it would be awesome in a game of skate

[@cmckittrick91]

When I think about cheating at skateboarding I think about non vertical impossibles.

[@kanescrimes4848]

Another great episode Raddy(can I call ya Raddy?) I have a question that's not relevant enough to use in any of your videos, but incredibly relevant to my curiosity. Do you watch "Love letters to skateboarding" hosted by Jeff Grosso? ,and If so, Whats your favorite episode? ,and if not, why?

[@RadRatVideo]

Sure, call me whatever you want! I check it out from time to time. I liked the one about backside ollies. I used it as a reference in my Alan Gelfand video.

[@kanescrimes4848]

I think I watched that one. Must not have heard you say that you watch it from time to time. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Keep up the great work Raddy.

[@anti_fox8987]

Does not matter that much. Btw: clean & high 360 underflips are definitely not easy. ;)

[@vector2g]

they are definetly not easier, but once you learn to underflip its easier to be more consistent versus being consistent at laserflips.

[@anseneldred1365]

hey Radrat! did the tre flip come before the laser flip, or the other way around?

[@RadRatVideo]

tre flips were in '83, and I think lasers are from '91.

[@anseneldred1365]

Awesome, thank you!

[@TeemoQuinton]

This is more representative these days of Impossibles in my opinion. Most people call a weird 360 Shuv an "Impossible" when it clearly isn't.

[@ariekanibalie]

Aymeric is one of the unsung geniuses of skateboarding.

[@RadRatVideo]

Absolutely

[@davidwollmuth2459]

Hey rad rat, what channel is that video clip from when you were giving an example of a foot clipping on a variable heelflip? I feel like I use to watch that dude's tutorials years ago, but can't seem to find the channel. Thanks for the video

[@fr-ik3749]

this popped up after watching the nine club stop and chat with haslam, i now know what he meant when he said people say he cheat hahaha

[@zeoalexo]

how is your knee doing, btw? i saw on twitter that recovery took three steps backwards, but has there been any forward progress?

[@pinthetailproductions4859]

This guy is our real gifted hater

[@c0m4g1bb]

RAD RAAAAAAT!!!!!!! 🙌 Thanks bruh for da upload I hope your knee is okay!

[@francescosaturnino113]

aymeric actually even did a 720 kiwi flip (down a two stair) and a friend of his did a 540 kiwi double flip (I remeber this from his old channel). Well I landed a switch laser flip once the "proper" way but it was way too much effort, so I'll give this a chance for sure.

[@RadRatVideo]

I don't remember that, but I can believe it! I wish that footage was still out there these days

[@francescosaturnino113]

Yeah me too. Actually yours and his channel were my favourites back then!

[@error.418]

You know, I'd really like to read articles written by you. You might want to consider setting up a simple Wordpress site or something of that nature to create a companion article for the video. It could help drive more traffic to your videos and allow people to easily find your detailed information via a Google search, etc.

[@RadRatVideo]

I tried to do that for a while when I started doing game reviews and stuff, but it was a ton of work and it didn't seem like it got any attention. Maybe I'll try it again

[@error.418]

Rad Rat Video I should say, this is limited to specifically your historical videos, or ones that require research. It would be nice to point at your article as a source. It would be way too much effort for every video.

[@alex_iribarren]

wow! nice video! im trying to land my first laser flip since 1 week and my trick for doing it its that i put my front foot (the one wich do the heelflip) in a very rare position, i put it like if i was going to do a triple heelflip XD but that helps me because its easier to spin the board well and faster, with the back foot the only thing i do is move it like a front shuv but popping harder. SORRY FOR BAD ENGLISH IM FROM SPAIN :P

[@RadRatVideo]

I've learned a lot of tricks like that. Start with an exaggerated foot position and slowly get it more under control with practice.

[@typisch93]

what is your opinion on hopping with your foot while doing especially a boneless, some people do it with no complys aswell. i mean for example someone is doing a boneless: grabbing the board ,drops his front foot and starts to hop with this foot before he jumps back on... stuff like this is really important but it seems like less people start care about it.

[@TheSoapBar23]

Saw a bunch of comments of praise and I thought I'd add my 2 cents. As a very new skateboarder (never got into it as a kid and now as a college student I'm picking it up more), your videos are awesome. They keep me interested and informed and I've learned a lot. I've actually just been binging your channel for the last two days. Keep up the great work!

[@jayjay1drum1skate]

This video has now caused me to have a switch varial heelflip based existential crisis.

[@Goblinghoulz]

It seems like u scoop with the heel like u would with your toe for a 3 flip

[@eeeeric1966]

#askradrat What tricks, or types of tricks are still NBD? Congrats on the 3,000 subs!

[@RadRatVideo]

Good question... I'll see if I can come up with something for that

[@DrDustan]

i always think that when i look at haslam lasers they seemed weird glad im not the only one noticing

[@THEGUYSTOKECHANNEL2]

do you only watch almost videos?

[@skatingkiwis7268]

Omg kiwi flips!!!

[@chimyshark]

I thought you would mention sliding 360s vs all-in-the-air. 540 ollies are pretty much always sliding the last 180.

[@muifly4892]

I don't mean to hate, but the last sentence of the quote at the 4 minute mark seems like a perfect description of your channel to me...

[@haesklar3635]

this channel is gonna be in the top

[@openSourceskateboards]

Nice video! I had no idea this trick existed until I found it just a little while ago. I like that you don't call it "cheating", either - I think the "difficulty" of tricks is subjective. I wonder how subjective, though? Are there any skaters that find laser flips easier than kiwi flips? If so, what percentage? I found these tricks (360 underflips and kiwi flips) easier, but I thought it was due to my natural inclination to push mongo (I tend to favor my back foot, so back-foot tricks came easier - pressure flips, impossibles, etc.) Curious to hear your thoughts based on your experience/research.

[@RadRatVideo]

I think trying to come up with numbers on that will be almost impossible. I think 360 underflips are easier than tre flips, but I think nollie lasers are easier than kiwis for me... But I find frontside/heelflip stuff easier in switch or nollie anyway, so that's another level of complexity to add in there. Plus, another issue is just muscle memory and doing what you're used to. So what trick is harder, versus what trick is harder TO LEARN are different questions... In general I would say regular stance 360 kiwis are easier than lasers simply because you get to push the tail around. But it's impossible to really give a definitive answer.

[@defeatstatistics7413]

I always had problems with scoops, always preferred a more decisive pop, so yeah I think I fall into that camp. I mean, I also think varial flips are cool if you pop em big or throw a nollie varial or something, so maybe I'm just weird.

[@tjm8790]

Great video dude!

[@RadRatVideo]

Thanks!

[@Kinnijup]

He's not "cheating". Call it something else. It is insulting.

[@abdeldorado]

Love what you´re doing! keep up the good work

[@ThePVRKid]

Greeting from 2020

[@brackkusamaz4015]

Damn, reading these comments.....did anyone finish the video?

[@shookstylez]

great content, hope you make more!

[@Bingo.BaJingo]

Oooooohh haslam was on stop n chat on the nine club, dont think he was stoked on this video, they talk about his laser flips and this video. I know you love haslam tho radrat.

[@odex2002]

happy 3k subs ;)

[@RadRatVideo]

Thanks! I'm pretty happy about it

[@StevieTV253]

using your heel in a 360 heelflip? shits insane.

[@cuplaxi]

Blast from the past. I remember Aymeric from Skater's Café. I used to post there back in the mid 2000's.

[@drumboarder1]

It's pretty much a different style of doing the same trick, unless it's overtly rear foot only.

[@revmaxxxgaming4783]

So basically haslam didnt cheat. He just really did a kiwiflip.

[@pizaharomero4780]

Same happens with inward heelflips, same rotation but different foot position and action

[@antonioantunes5928]

Are 360 underflips really that easy?

[@johnosguthorpe09]

That guy who made up the kiwi flip is always high.

[@zdfsbnsdfn]

I skated for like 10 years and maybe heal flipped 5 times and you say a back foot laser is easy 🤣 maybe for you!

[@scronyx]

Could u possibly make a videos discussing who invented the Laser Flip?

[@RadRatVideo]

Yep I'm planning on covering heelflip stuff soon. I still have a little research to do

[@scronyx]

Oh okay, awesome.

[@JoHnAnDjAnEdOe81]

Love ALL your intros dude! Keep up the great videos! Are you ever going to show the wife? That would be cool if you did a video with both of you. Nothing like a chica who loves, or at least respects, sk8ing... Kami from your background picture....

[@GTAPanos]

Nice video dude!

[@patrick.huijten]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but begrafenisondernemer is Dutch for 'funeral entrepeneur', haha.

[@dbspaceoditty]

do we have any videos of Chris himself claiming he is doing laser flips? or are people just saying he is a laser flip god?

[@misticformula1485]

Skating is all about expressing yourself and how it makes you feel even if your form isnt cookie cutter perfect so it's all good.

[@bangbang5286]

Yeah I'm late af but I can't believe you didn't mention Muskas "hardflips"

[@petermayer9292]

So my German 100% accurate view on skateboarding. Lacerflip = Kiwiflip Here a thing that you said and I confirm that logic: Hardflip= invert varial kickflip

[@4thReich420]

....i just realized my b/s bigspin markovich flip is a variation of the kiwi flip but nollie...mind blown.. btw theres a term that nobody uses anymore markovich flip

[@BonelessBen]

Can you do a video on nerd flips?

[@RadRatVideo]

Stay tuned - I talk about them in a video coming up soon

[@nikkjjko]

that's the second video i watched from ur channel, and, besides disagreeing with u in certain points, i loved it, that's somethings that no one talks about. i do my laser flips and ss big heels like haslam, idk why, i find it easier and for most of my tricks, the flicking feet always hangs out of the board to do the motion. I still call my laser flips laser flips, and i definitely dont think that Haslam is cheating, thats no such thing in skateboarding, only in a game of skate maybe. Anyway, i really enjoyed it, u got another sub. Cheers from Brazil.

[@sackofratgutsincatvomit5627]

Where did casper flips and hospital flips come from and why are they so unpopular? I've never really seen these in most skate videos. Are they just uncool?

[@RadRatVideo]

I've got a video about them coming out soon. I don't think they're uncool, really, they just haven't caught on that much

[@sackofratgutsincatvomit5627]

Rad Rat Video I think they're cool myself and I've realised that I'd never really seen them done in popular video parts. Also, many people call hospital flips 'casper' flips which is like cheating, however I don't think many people know what a real casper flip is.

[@TaylorPhase]

SackofRatGutsinCatVomit I get yelled at when I do them in skate

[@chivalrous_chevy1163]

Rad Rat your videos are really cool

[@skinhead-ej8ff]

that 360 underflip makes me scared that im doin tre flips wrong....

[@LEdHeadW]

You're the best fucking skate nerd. I love your videos!

[@SlickRick4EVER]

If you think of it, skateboarders (no matter how thug or nerdy) are all nerds... period.

[@RadRatVideo]

Thanks!

[@NikomaGrob]

YAHAHAHAHAH "which he called a "begrafenis ondernemer flip"" hahahahahahahah This means "A Funeral Entrepreneur Flip" in the Dutch language.

[@alejoferreiro9149]

Great video!

[@bjornnorberg8996]

Can you talk about if Ali Boulala were a good skater or not?

[@jookbj]

isn't this the guy that use to give old kickflip tips vids.

[@MjayyGOOD]

Rad rat is it better to skate more street than to skate more in the skatepark

[@RadRatVideo]

If you're trying to get sponsors and make it in the industry, then more street is better. Otherwise, do whatever you want.

[@josuerios9415]

I was gonna write the same thing or sort of the same thing as in 4:20

[@fzclips2783]

Nice deck, also nice video.

[@StevenHim318]

an underflip is easier than a tre flip?

[@VENGEFULHEXX]

Josh Kalis has a weird big heel flip.

[@prodandmullen]

I need to learn this ASAP

[@ilkkarautio2449]

What are you saying? I cant do any flip trick besides kickflip without both feet. Well right now i cant do anything.

[@Hinsiey]

360 underflip is way harder than 360 flip though?

[@pizaharomero4780]

And also, very interesting video dude.

[@trackstar1337]

that enjoi deck is 🔥

[@BonelessBen]

you talking a 360 kiwi flip ?

[@RadRatVideo]

Yep