Does Inter canopy grow lighting work?

[@MIGROLIGHT]

Hi, if you are interested in intercanopy lighting check out the Fluence video here :kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5WmhoSsaL12htE

[@jjjjjasonjjjjjackson]

I've been using inter canopy lighting for 7 years. This is awesome that studies have come out proving that it can be beneficial. LOL to all the ppl who thought I was crazy for shinning lights up from underneath.

[@rumba6110]

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE GET THIS MAN A GLASS OF WATER!

[@seanstewart8942]

😂😂 he Irish bro, he needs a beer 🍺 😅

[@NicksGotBeef]

The heat that comes from the under canopy lights helps create an equal vpd across the height of the plant. This is very beneficial

[@OldSkool-w2s]

This must be true. Because nature put a sun on the ground below all the plants too.. Bad enough, you guys are microwaving your genetics with leds already. Why not go all the way.

[@axelhopfinger533]

I prefer to hang cheap Chinese 20 watt full spectrum LED bars in the corners of my 3x3 tent as supplemental lighting to improve light penetration and yields on the lower buds by eliminating the low PPFD spots in the corners which most lights in tent setups have. Just gotta remember that those additional lights also produce quite a bit of additional waste heat and you still gotta retain some distance from your plants to prevent light burn.

[@superkoopatrooper4879]

As long as theyre designed for high humidity it should be fine. Otherwise, the water that sometimes accumulates on leaves can short it out and get dangerous. And a humidifier would also be a nono. I personally use the ion bar lights from acinfinity. I do not recommend them. All 4 bars together at max brightness is about 300 par 6inches away. I have the larger more expensive version too and this is the performance. So I use it as a clone and seedling light.

[@PhantomPain74]

Thanks for the informations 👍 Happy Growing 💚

[@fuzzybunny4407]

Thanks, Shane, for this info!

[@_sunshine_rainbows]

hey shane, when you said "can even cause a fire", this is a topic ive never seen covered. ballasts, globes LEDs- what are the risks and how can preventative measures be applied? would love you to cover this one day. love your work, thankyou

[@tobymaples7646]

Hey Shane, What was the UFO that went flying across the room behind you at 1:13? lol

[@DHW448]

I have commented on your channel before. And probably said this. Thank you, sir.

[@SeaOrcRonnie]

Most people are personal growers. Focus on your canopy and maximizing what’s up there. How much weed do you really need? Under lighting is a waste of time vs. return. When you’ve grown for a long time, countless cycles, you very quickly move to a position of simplicity and lose all of the extra tasks and BS that eat up your time. In the beginning it’s fun because you’re so into growing, and that’s fine, but eventually the novelty of trying to do every little things wears off.

[@hokie0072]

Sage advice. I completely concur. It is very easy to be enticed by the rando Internet grower claims and flashy product marketing. You can spend gobs of money chasing the latest and greatest devices. You can provide your plants every booster supplement that you can ultimately afford (and they can tolerate). You can employ arcane and time consuming grower practices. Yet in the end, what will you have to show for it? Just some small percentage points in quality/yield over a basic legitimate spec setup. I also agree, that with the assertion of "how much weed do you really need?". Don't overscale yourself. No way a individual (personal) grower needs a 10x10 tent. Also remember that there is a ton of work to growing (well at least not a trivial amount depending on level of automation), the more you size up; the more work you are creating for yourself- don't even get me started on harvesting/trimming. Perhaps this effort/expense is worth it for corporate/industrial growers, but I doubt it, as they would seek efficiency. The cost to benefit analysis of exceeding the basics is simply not there.

[@SeaOrcRonnie]

@@hokie0072 you nailed it brother. Don't overscale, grow a plant or two, I feel the real fun has always been in running new varieties and crosses that intrigue you.

[@cfhklhog]

And we are a lazy bastards. Highly motivated and overactive guys are cooking meth.

[@hokie0072]

@@SeaOrcRonnie Thanks bud. Absolutely agreed, evaluate your needs and then decide your grow footprint. I started in a 2x4 and moved up to a 4x4 when I was bitten by the "newness frenzy bug" and at one point was considering moving to a 5x5, perpetual grows, etc. but then one day I realized I was producing FAR more than I could reasonably consume (and mind you, I consume - all day every day). Once you have curing and storage down, you can really start to produce/accumulate a LOT of weed. I now only grow 2 (10-16 week veg - each one is essentially 2x4 at flip) plants in a single calendar year (DWC SCROG) and that harvest is WELL over what myself and my wife can consume. In the end, I probably should have just stuck with the 2x4...lmao! But that's why your post spoke to me. I've been growing 13+ years now and wasted a non-insignificant amount of money (especially during the initial years) chasing the latest/greatest/biggest. Completely unnecessary and totally a novelty. The actual growing experience is what matters in the end - and the only way to really get that is to grow. Perhaps our sliver of of shared experience can assist novices.

[@SeaOrcRonnie]

@@hokie0072 It's nuts, we've been at it almost exactly the same length of time, it's hilarious how much our experiences have mirrored each other, especially the period of time where you are growing all these plants, next thing you know you have jars and jars of flowers, different varieties, basically your own personal dispensary, good problem to have, but I'm not a hash guy, and so then you go man, I'm never going to get through all of this, but I love growing! Ok, time to downsize substantially and just have 1-2 going, enjoy the process, almost like a bonsai mentality.

[@bignoah808]

this may work for some and not for others, but based on my own experience, the age old saying still rings true.... LESS IS MORE. happy growing everybody! Thanks for the videos Shane, you've helped me over the years more than you'll ever know!

[@silkk66]

Do the laws of physics and biology cease to exist for some but not others? Less light is more what? More yield, terpenes, potency, a healthier plant? Not sure how that applies here. Been scoffed at for years utilizing ICL by some old school legacy growers, because they went decades without considering the notion. Here's a saying...Cant teach an old dog new tricks. IT WORKS! Just try it before dismissing it out of hand. (Not @bignoah808...just generally speaking)

[@pursaveer9027]

I added an older Mars Hydro SP-3000 to a small 2X4 grow with 3 plants, just sitting it upside down on the pot rims. Just wanted to see what happened. One thing I noticed is that the light MUST be turned off when tending to the plants or eye irritation is guaranteed. Shane, if your new light has a remote driver, please also include an OFF switch at the light for convenience.

[@gangofgreenhorns2672]

I ran a 600W HPS at 50=75% under an 330W Fluence LED (4x4) veg light for flower recently and it worked great, used a wire ring around the bulb, and a fan under it.

[@seanhewitt603]

I've got a 600 watt sky blue metal halide running with a pair of 325watt cool white LEDs at 858umols each, not at full power though...60%. oh it's in a 4X4 tent too.

[@RT10Viperman]

I have actually been thinking about intracanopy lighting for a while now. I have a tent that has a reflective material on the inside and light seems to get to the bottoms of the plants but Ive never really checked the Umoles to see just how much light is getting to them. Time to check..!

[@manilove2pwn]

in my 2x2 auto flower tent i am currently using a old mars hydro 150w for main light. and for last 2 crops been using 2 migro 65w seedling lights on 50% power under the canopy. strain i grow is always auto Pineapple gum by Blackskull seeds. before adding seedling lights was getting around 90 to 100g and last 2 crops with added lights underneath have been 112g, and 116g. not a massive difference but no longer get any popcorn buds on lower half. next run i am not going to lolypop the bottom 3rd to see if they will still be popcorn nugs

[@bobroberts9306]

As an experiment, I added AC Infinity's supplemental lights on my last grow and all my lower buds grew larger, some almost double in size. Yet, I still didn't get a massive difference like you stated. I used the supplemental light bars around the perimeter of my grow tent, not below/underneath the plants. Is the ICL different than supplemental? I also wanted more light because of my current lights dismal coverage of my canopy. My thoughts are lollipop the bottom third, I didn't see worthy increase of yield to sacrifice larger upper buds. Good luck growing.

[@glen.simpson]

how about those adjustable led bulbs from debuilding depot... they run like 9-13w, and are adjustable from 2700 red to 5000k bluish.,,, could run 4, one on each corner of the 2x2 and only add like 40w's

[@chadwickbradbury8390]

Yeppers I asked for this video a few weeks ago awesome 😎

[@jeffwolf8018]

I have several 5X5 tents and usually will put four 4 foot t5 around the outer premier of the tent as the edges of 5X5 are always together to same quality as towards the side than to the centers. It does help some..

[@Zardnokalicious]

I recently tried an under-canopy light using a spare Mars SP3000 across the bottom of my 5X5 with an FC-E8000 above. The under-canopy buds that were above the SP3000 were much denser compared to those from the outer perimeter of the tent not getting up lighting. My intent is to buy an Array 3 or Array 4 to spread that under-canopy light out some, but if Shane has a purpose built under-canopy, I may just wait and try my SP3000 again.

[@Mike-ms6he]

I've considered running 5 lights in a tent to see how it comes out. I know Shane says "just add another tent" but the boss wont allow anymore floor space to be used properly

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

@@Mike-ms6he I feel that, I want a 4x4 but they said no so I have to grow under the stairs and in an old pump room in the basement. its not pretty and its tight but I am very proud and have developed a good niche in optimizing micro tent growing. I am also attempting to perfect a Kratky reservoir method so I can have very little cost for grow medium and low maintenance in the form of garden chores from things like soil and watering.

[@tthtonekid]

I think thats what hes planning and probably some booster bars like gml and mars hydro​@Mike-ms6he

[@seanhewitt603]

Lollypop your girls... It's cheaper, and the quality and size of the canopy improves...

[@kevinrusso6580]

2 -4 bars sets of the ac infinity ionbeams in a 4x4 tent strapped to the hi cfm bars. Really made a difference in bulking up the middle of some runaway 5 footers

[@Noobgrowzcpt]

Dude that’s exactly what I was thinking of doing. It’s cheap and only 50w extra. You reckon it was definitely worth it ? I have pretty powerful Nanolux LedEx 660w I have to dim down to 850ppfd so wondering if the bottom lighting would help lessen the larf . Genetics dependant ofcourse

[@kevinrusso6580]

@Noobgrowzcpt not exactly what I call cheap but I think they helped solid up the lowers. They're great if you have quantum board lites with poor spread and a giant hot spot like I did. 8 bars added just shy of 90 watts

[@takeupyourcross9597]

havent watched the vid yet but im stoked. i was just thinking about buying those full Spectrem led lighting bars from ac infinity

[@m03ization]

A comperison of a few popular options would be great. I currently run 2 AC Infinity S16, one with your Aray 4 and the other one with a Mars Hydro FC 4800 Evo and had nice results with both setups. Higher yields, but more important for me a lot less underdeveloped flower!

[@halholland1637]

I use Inter canopy grow lighting every year on my Christmas tree. Still not working?

[@eagle1492]

I do under canopy lighting. I like watching the plant grow. Maximize the entire plant reducing veg time and getting a nice yield. Cheap way of not having to veg a long time.

[@robertwatts5071]

A lot of growers can’t fill out the canopy anyway let alone worrying about lighting the bottom imho ⚡️⚡️

[@tony-pt7my]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@fromoz9294]

i bought my lamps a bit bigger then i would need them. rn i grow the plants with the lamps horizantally, when they are rdy for flower i'll put the lamps in the shape of a roof top over everything to bring in more light. thats my current plan for inter canopy lighting :)

[@richardbell925]

Great info, thank you.

[@leifellis5148]

I really want someone to review Craft Farmers Intercanopy lights. I want to know if they are really as much of a game changer as folks say. I want to see a PAR meter on that bad boy. I really appreciate the reviews always. It is so extremely helpful.

[@elev8id]

I have T5 lights under the canopy but not for light, I use it to warm the plants medium to 76f. By warming the soil my growth rate is 2x faster in a cold shed. I've gone from 14 weeks Veg 8 weeks.

[@Virginiagrows-d8y]

Wouldn't heat mats work better?

[@elev8id]

@@Virginiagrows-d8y no tried it gets too hot. A heated mattress topper works best and is more efficient

[@FanRamm2]

It’s work! I’m use intercanopy light too and my buds +50% in total weight. You don’t need to use dimmer at more then 50% of max for inrercanopy

[@Bobthecats333]

In the case of plant count limitations it’s great

[@alexpreusianer5812]

Hallo, Are there any research results on what influence the circulating air has in a tent? So the intensity of the circulating air fans on the plants? (Google translation)

[@Railshop-models]

Did your led just zap a bug or did you blow a LED @ time stamp 1:12

[@ricgee9781]

Reading the comments just to see if anyone else noticed that?

[@nomesobrenome2701]

Um forte abraço da Bahia 🇧🇷

[@raiden00711]

I've been using fluro cool white for 20 years as inter canopy lights

[@BLUEYGILA]

i been using under canopy lights for over 20 years now, we started just using 400hps and putting them upside down. because we keep plant number down we scrog to 2.4 meter by 2.4 meter for 4 plants so under canopy lights is very important.

[@Brandon_Budz]

I have a 4×4 mirror I put on the bottom of my 4×4 tent and it helps fill in the bottom buds.i noticed a difference from when I didn't have it.

[@electricurinal]

+1 on that... I use rigid bright white panels... gets a noticeable result too.

[@kiljupullo]

photon flux density after distance squared /2 and under 55% reflectivity of the mirror makes the mirror just a fancy floor tile.

[@seanhewitt603]

​@@kiljupullouse black and white poly, it's 95%reflective.

[@electricurinal]

@@kiljupullo all that may be true, but its still better than a black surface. bright white is probably better than a mirror tho.

[@oderusurungus4438]

​@@kiljupulloimagine how strong the sun is on Venus then🤯

[@stevenlee2202]

I like this. This is probably why people see advantages in HID lighting. Right now im trying to breed a hybrid into two autos with a 150 watt nextlight. My space is far too crowded in this situation and i cant get the light into the reversed hybrid. I have some 50 watt amazon flood lights im considering putting in there. A well trained plant maybe this isnt needed. But the plant doesnt grow that way on its own. It isnt supposed to grow that way. Any other situation including my current seems like it would benifit from a non 2 dimentional light source. Even in the world of autoflowers. A lot can be said with the negative effects of aggresive training. I think this is probably an excellent direction to explore. Maybe even more so with the potential of various spectrums influencing this auxilery light source. Have you explored the idea of a far red inter canopy light?

[@bepd09]

Hi Shane, I was gunna contact you about this recently. I have been speaking to ac infinity about their ion beams being able to support mother. In this case it’s for a prop tent so room is tight and they are magnetic so very room efficient, hopefully yours will be the same or similar design 🤞

[@ruanviljoen3260]

Please do a video on lumii grow lights

[@DieselCheese]

I thought everyone already tried putting simple T8/T5 lights into the corners of the box ^^

[@megaflux7144]

exactly.

[@GeofryMasters]

I think spacing your plants vs using more electricity might be a better idea. Hanging lights in your canopy is kind of ridiculous especially if you have to spray your foliage. It's a good idea on paper but its not very practical imo

[@megaflux7144]

thank you for being the voice of reason!

[@E_-_-]

nobody serious actually sprays foliage it's good for nothing

[@DG-iw3yw]

lights on the sides of the tent can be quite good tho

[@GeofryMasters]

@@DG-iw3yw I have found that aggressively pruning your plants halfway thru flower works best. Side lighting and inter canopy lighting work but its not the most cost effective solution. The extra bud you get vs what you spend on electricity doesn't pan out

[@Memflix]

but what about phototropism? Doesn't it stress the plant by having multiple light sources coming from opposite directions?

[@craigdawson7632]

I've tried it with lights on the outer edge of the 300L bed and the plant grew funny trying to chase the light. Is there a spectrum we should be aiming for underneath?

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Can you please do a review of the Aerocronic HPA Grow system when they release their product? I think its gonna change a lot of things in the industry.

[@gogetem188]

i mean its a fricken weed more light bigger buds move from 1/2 hr up to 2hrs iv got a 15 wat grow light under anything is better than nothing?

[@bodieuncut7521]

what does it do to the cannabinoids and terps tho sir?

[@FollowTheKnowledge]

Some1 help. Has any1 ever used adjusta watt 720 watt led or the omega black 720 ? They can't be hung lower then 24 inches cause leafs curl. I don't understand how led lights can be hung closer

[@seanhewitt603]

I would be interested in a lighting fixture for a 4X4 tent... But I'd have to find a place that'd do monthly payments.

[@Churchofrascalism]

White underneath however it's done doesn't use more electricity.

[@PorkChopSammie]

I don’t want to trim that bottom stuff tho.

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

I have 4 ac infinity S16 bar lights that I mount half way up in my 2x2x4. it helps add more light (about 35-45w) to my S22 ion board (105-115w). Ive been interested in intra canopy lights since I saw your interview with a professor who looked into it. I will wait for the migro as I suspect you will put out a great comparison video of several on the market like you do with all the other grow light sizes.

[@marcelinorodriguez4069]

I used side lights 2 times and both hermed on me. I think this new stress factor may have done it. Never doing that again 😒

[@homegrow86420]

They do it quite often, want better results just practice canopy management. Side lighting is nothing new, most facilities around here have had them and ditched them multiple times over the years to go back to just straight over head lights. Less is almost always more.

[@BenjaminSchildberg]

Without additional CO2 you will barely profit from under canopy light If you run 900 or so ppfd from above. Or would you?!?

[@413TomaccoRoad]

Wouldn't side lighting be better?

[@Babayegasandman]

Drink some water sir. You can bearly swallow air 😅

[@homegrow86420]

Awesome, so how many grams per watt increase did you get overall? What did your efficiency rating drop down too? If you ran them in veg or earlier flower did you see any morphology issues? Were you testing 281bs, or were you testing more modern diodes with better canopy penetration, do you still run your lights in a tent like a rack/vertical setup with limited height? Gtfoh w/ that side light and under canopy crap we are getting 3.5lbs a 4x4 tent w/ 1100-1400ppfd with nothing more than good air exchange and half way decent 650w light. So if i go to say 900ppfd from my overhead, introduce these and run them to 1400-1500 total for the area you are saying i should therotically get 50% increase. 5+ lb in a 4x4 by your math my friend that is 147g per watt something dont add up. The best commercial facilities are pulling around 130g per sf. Know what none of them use.....side lighting or under canopy lighting....

[@ekpush100]

Why would just not using the mirror on the floor of the growbox?

[@030nordseite]

It doesn’t reflect much more light than reflector foil or just white color

[@rickster9065]

​@@030nordseite and it would reflect light on to the underside of the leaves instead of the top, which is pointless. Side lighting.... maybe........underneath lighting .. er no.

[@BLUEYGILA]

@@rickster9065 underneath lighting works, it photosynthesize still and you get top size buds on the under canopy. i been doing it over 20 years now.

[@OleM-0891]

Dont steal my Patent For me a good led on top and if they create a ring led to circle the plant with enought lateral space believe they will be dense overall!

[@rightpassage]

Funny how this has become a topic lately. I cover all the sides.

[@whothefoxcares]

inter-canopy or intra-canopy. That's a literal question from Bill Shakespeare

[@SaigonJon]

It comes down to LED companies trying to sell more lights

[@amsterdamoriginalsaustralia]

Spend 2months inside under low to 60% up to tossing them outside & 8-10 weeks you got harvest & the next batch getting tossed out into the now vacant greenhouse for all year grows & save big $$ only needing a $200 led by Philzon I use (no affiliation)

[@rayjay8322]

Well, that leaves out foliar spraying!

[@franjopenezic5554]

yeah. I need 10 000 euros for grow setup to have some weed for myself. That thing do big growers who do that on acres

[@Jumpkic]

i was thinking no way i want lights 'under' my plants, and was surprised he said they work and thought no he will only say that if he has a product on the market, then at the end of the video he says he has lamps coming..... i think proper lighting can work with flowering (and thats minimally) but not veg or seedling stages. But i will not go against or argue with data if i have not tried myself

[@amsterdamoriginalsaustralia]

#growbigorstayinside no excuse not to take a run through the jungle

[@GimpSlayerGeneral]

SCROG for max performance.

[@Gamer-dude247]

I have a scenario for somebody to enlighten me on. Because of todays energy prices and i use a 600w HPS in a cooltube but will no longer be able to afford to run it any longer, would it be best to run TWO 250w hps in two cooltubes in a tent (start with a single 250 and then turn on the other 250 when flowering starts, again, to save money) or would it be best to use a single 400w hps in cooltube?. To summerise, that's two 250w hps in a cooltube each or a single 400w hps.

[@tonyfeuerhelm]

That's what I have been saying, but nobody ever listens to me. No engineering degree required, just common sense.

[@OldSkool-w2s]

I knew that Nature has gotten everything wrong. There should have been a sun in the ground lighting up the bottom of every tree and plant, too.

[@j.c187]

Id rather save money and not grow big bushy plants indoors. More plants with shorter veg cycles i think they produce more and save $ in the long run. But ive never done a side by side grow to find out what way is better either. Would make a good video

[@SetTheCurve]

It would be nice if the graph was based on real data instead of hopes and assumptions.

[@goodtogrow7774]

If you're lollipop and netting you shouldn't need it. This is just a bad idea to help popcorn bud.

[@Averagejoegrows420]

I don’t like it. The exchange per watt isn’t enough to fool with plus just isn’t natural. Plants not gonna react well plus intersex traits may come out. Who knows? Not worth the risk

[@Tara-Maya]

10 years ago the bro-science guys told me that lighting from underneath wouldn't work because leaves absorb light only from their upside. Pushing that aside, and I was looking into these new intra-canopy lights a few weeks ago, why has it taken so long for something like this to come onto the market? Glad to see Shane is developing some of these. Hope he gets some out there before I buy the other ones. :)

[@megaflux7144]

"why has it taken so long for something like this to come onto the market? " well you see, because its bullshit. the phototron came out in the 90s and faded in to obscurity using the exact same technology, if it worked SOO fucking well why didnt it catch on? why is it not the industry standard? it feels a whooooole lot to me like it IS the bro science.

[@corntrader1455]

The leaves will turn upside down to utilize the light

[@StepanVorobev-e8i]

It's impossible to listen to this person, constant sounds of tongue and lips, drink some water man, you're dry-mouthed, I don't want to listen to you constantly clicking your lips and tongue😢😢😢

[@thedevilsadvocate3710]

It makes sense at scale in a commercial setting. In a residential setting, no.

[@JohnAlexanderramboparyjrthe3rd]

Iv been doing this for decades, and it absolutely works wonders I get donkey dick colas at the base of my plants with under canopy lights

[@BLUEYGILA]

yeh same been doing underneath lights since early 2000's, you get tops on the under canopy.

[@pierreluc5382]

get that guy a glass of water

[@xela9288]

If you read this u was not first 😂

[@RichtigerFalsch]

if u read this im already doing something else in my life.

[@trontron-ed2qr]

full on dry mouth there shane

[@skankhunt420]

Anyone should definitely prefer lst->scrogging.

[@Plasmafox]

Has this been studied for anything other than weed?

[@purplepinekush3246]

since 1990 i have read / heard under light does nothing...

[@codyfisher8803]

They didn’t even use LED lights back then so yeah. New information comes out all the time 👍

[@Mainley-Free]

It absolutely works. It's just not for everyone.

[@northernrob8072]

Why would it do nothing? It's simply a case of how practical is it vs various other yield boosting methods.

[@BLUEYGILA]

been doing it over 20 years with hps 400s, i get tops for bottoms.

[@purplepinekush3246]

@@BLUEYGILA interesting

[@thedank4313]

Stop growing boof and you don’t need it

[@SilentScreamsStudios]

Under lighting is bullshit

[@connorboshi7319]

Hi Migro, could you try and test yourself give us some feedback?

[@Fireandadjust]

Yes it works and people have been doing it forever lol it may be new tech but it is not new technique

[@greauxdevil9270]

I own the ac infinity led light bars, basically useless 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@kitrussell9358]

Why? I have chilled leds

[@greauxdevil9270]

​@@kitrussell935830 watts max, pointless