Does Max Verstappen have the HIGHEST F1 ELO of all time?

[@kian_de_gamer1638]

If you are really bored you can make an ELO system for F1 esports which all have equal cars so everyone can be measured directly against each other

[@jonnyrichards]

Yeah the big "issue" with doing elo like this is that a driver goes against the same driver repeatedly for a whole season which kind of defeats some of the assumptions that make elo ratings work

[@timothyvuurevan7365]

Mr V trying to use his most successful video to get more views Jk, keep it up mate, loved the vid

[@MrVsGarage]

I can and will exploit all my videos!

[@AB-gj8re]

@@MrVsGarage hey its the one time YOURE the one exploiting yourself, and not every company bleeding us dry

[@herbertkraft7379]

Perez fucks everything up, even Maxs' deserved higher ELO. On the other hand. Fernando is still the GOAT so everything is how it should be. (Does Checos low Elo and career crashing and burning mean there was a second Crashgate that kept Alonso on top?)

[@MrVsGarage]

the real question is, did we see if Alonso went anywhere near Max's brakes before the race in Australia??.. 🤔

[@herbertkraft7379]

@MrVsGarage I certainly didn't. It was that cheating [smart] asymetric breaking hack that Redbull used that caused the DNF!!11!! :)

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

​@@MrVsGarageIt was orchestrated by a 33 believer

[@swidr5626]

Well Perez has a low ELO exactly because of Max so it's not exactly his fault. But if he was replaced earlier then Max would definitely earn enough

[@williamkelly7128]

Before video prediction. Max now has the highest elo of all time. Love the content mr.v. keep up the great work

[@MrVsGarage]

thank you, I'll do my best! got quite the schedule of videos coming up so stay tuned...

[@violetcitizen]

this is my favourite genre of video

[@MrVsGarage]

British man says numbers and waves vaguely at a green screen?

[@AntonHDMI]

Thank you for letting us watch it a bit earlier than the rest 🎉

[@MrVsGarage]

I'm closing my Patreon so I can focus on here a bit more, but it now means I can offer early video access as a member perk!

[@AntonHDMI]

@MrVsGarage yes, and I am all for it 🥳 I mean, don't stress about giving us something, but I can't say it isn't nice 😜

[@V1Chaser]

Your voice hits my ears in a unique way. Love the videos as always! the amount of work you put into them is insane and its appreciated.

[@MrVsGarage]

the bass notes on the mic are boosted for extra butter, glad you like how it sounds 👌

[@Yorie1234]

Wooo, was waiting for this one!

[@MennoRooker]

I actually did a programming project a month ago where I made my own version of the F1 scoring system. I attributed penalty points to the drivers at the start of each race depending on their current constructors' standing. So after race 1 the constructor standings are taken into account and any driver that is on the team winning the constructors' championship get -10 points to start the race using the modern points system. -9 for 2nd place team members and so on until you get to -1 for the last team. It was completely inspired by your ELO engine and I referenced your original video in my project. I wasn't going to comment about it since it was just something I chose to do for school since I could pick anything I was interested in making, but now that you mentioned vSCORE I thought maybe my system could provide a little bit of inspiration. :)

[@jacobpothoven1471]

What kind of results gave your system?

[@derosiflo6524]

Didnt know the Electric Lights Orchestra could be used to rank (f1) racing drivers

[@jodragon1419]

I'm looking forward to seeing the new vSCORE system in action! Love the videos! aboslutly you're my favourite F1 creator with your dope video ideas! Keep it up

[@MrVsGarage]

I'm glad you enjoy the videos! hopefully I can actually get this thing working!

[@Actinjsh]

Thinking about how to improve on a system like this, but there are so few stats to use in F1 compared to other sports. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

[@xanderveldmuisje]

I would love it if you made a website or an app, updating every race. Gives a good perspective during the season. When it's ready of course

[@canles]

I've thought about this too on my free time and tried to think some sort of multiplier for the car based on best finish on every race. I got no knowledge on how to make it work properly but it had been fun hobby to think about. In the end, I just end up adding my vibes when ranking drivers :D (I don't know rely what I'm doing) Looking forward to see your results.

[@Speedster04_BRA]

7:19 one, it's summer 'round here. two, my boss doesn't understand what a "break" is.

[@Freakinawesome333]

We need a way to compare drivers in different teams. That might be possible by having a separate Elo for teams. We could then incorporate this into the formula for Driver Elo so that, for example, drivers from high-Elo teams don't gain as many Elo points for winning races as drivers from low-Elo teams.

[@MrVsGarage]

yeah the system I'm working on updates car rating after ever race as well for exactly this reason. If your car is expected to finish P5 and you finish P7 then in theory you've failed. It's complicated with things like winter break and teammates having different upgrades but it's better than not considering it

[@Freakinawesome333]

​@@MrVsGarage Cool! As a chess player with a maths degree who also used to watch formula 1, this hits a sweet intersection spot for me. It's the kind of thing I could easily get obsessed with 😂 Can't wait to see what you come up with!

[@krishg8647]

Hey MrV the background color makes the lines really hard to see on a mobile screen, still amazing video as always!

[@Mackentyre]

I wonder if there is a way to somehow implement number of races the driver has raced into how much they gain/lose such that the more experienced you are, the slower you gain and faster you lose and vice versa for the rookies coming into f1 next season.

[@MrVsGarage]

Yeah I'm planning to add a higher multiplier for people in their first few races. I want drivers to get to their "correct" level more quickly

[@aimeekeel]

2:27 one of the big issues with using ELO here is that they are not equally rated drivers. Even though they have equal machinery or close to equal machinery, a rookie versus someone who has been racing for 6-7 years isn’t quite equivalent. I think that awaiting based on experience would also be necessary to breakdown drivers like this.

[@johannes7059]

I have been waiting for this video since last year 😂 Also someone already made a pretty nice ranking system, like the one you are thinking about, if you want inspiration you can find it, or I can send it to you. It sadly was not updated in a couple of years.

[@pritdutta]

perchance, a mere mortal like yours truly could take a glance at your findings?

[@johannes7059]

@pritdutta Damm KZbin won't even let me post the link in any form, search for "f1metrics" as one word, his model also compares teammates, but over their 3 best Saisons and it takes experience and age of the teammates into account. it also has info on all the drivers of the top 100, as well as a top of every decade, shame it was not updated since 2019

[@johannes7059]

@@pritdutta "f1metrics" :)

[@sebastiansanchezn1650]

Awesome work MrV! Didn't you create a grading system that gave you the average F1 Driver and therefore the best of all time? I can not understand how that system works different than the Elo one, I love if you could add that explanation to the video!

[@lpvrooom6714]

so excited for the vscore video

[@fshylando1437]

Early bird gets the Mr. Vs Garage

[@MrVsGarage]

Channel members have been here since yesterday 😉

[@bs_coolgames6888]

The big flaw with the elo system is that you need to outperform your teammate consistenly, but also need fresh high-performing teammates to outperform. Because right now we are just looking at a chess grandmaster beating up his little nephew at christmass. Hence why the elo system is bad. I can't really think of a way to solve this of the top of my head so I'm excited to see how the vSCORE will solve this. EDIT: Most likely, the system would also rate the cars with an elo-like system, which could then be taken into consideration when comparing drivers across teams. But that again begs the question of how you would rate a car independent of the drivers inside.

[@primeoetzand]

Thanks for updating us, I had been wondering whether Verstappen had managed it but it seems the brakes really messed things up. Could you keep somewhat of an eye on it and at least make a community post if he does brake the record?

[@Becky_Cooling]

'Try not to go too crazy until Formula 1 returns' I think I'm doing ok, I'm binge-watching indycar and F2

[@qwystr]

Close enough, welcome back F1Metrics

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

So several sports - in particular Football - have devised modified Elo systems that might be worth looking into.

[@charlesdarwin7253]

His cover of Evil Woman is incredible. Max Verstappen is incredible at ELO.

[@Oblivion9873]

I am very much looking forward to the vscore release. If partly only so I can argue about your criteria and weighting lol

[@tmgwhaleshark.f1]

Can't wait to race each other in CSL💙💪

[@MrVsGarage]

👀

[@matteopari4168]

I've had a crazy idea on how to try and improve this Elo Engine but unfortunately don't know how to create one. Basically you would run the same system but there would be an element of race result in absolute to determine points. If someone in the comments or the Green Screen Man himself is interest i could explain it in detail as i think it might very well work

[@W0o0dy]

@MrVsGarage: maybe base the elo off beating all drivers...so for every driver you beat you get points. And to make it fair you could add the elo points to the points scored. That way a win will still increase the elo rating even though you are crushin the competitors each and every race.(?)

[@gafowaty]

Two of my passions, f1 and excel

[@MrVsGarage]

Excel go vroom vroom

[@navdeepsingh3508]

+100 points to him for consistently giving FIA a middle finger

[@StefanVeenstra]

Performance vs teammate and performance vs the rest of the grid are different perspectives of looking at it. Of course the argument of "equal machinery" (even though upgrade packages get more and more selective and favoring one driver over the other throughout the season, guess some are more equal than their mates) may contest the results of that. Though on the other hand, teams technically have the capability to produce equal, carbon copy, cars independently of eachother, however low the chance of that happening without spygates. It can be argued teams with a disadvantaged car simply bottled their development. Would think if you'd compare each driver vs every other driver and extrapolate a driver vs grid comparison from that, it may be a more accurate representation. There might be logical fallacy in my reasoning, too tired to be bothered reflecting on that right now.

[@96whitingn]

How about finding the "best" world champion, the one who won the title in the season Ruth the highest combined grid elo/vscore and then the "luckiest" f1 champion, who won the title in the lowest combined grid elo / vscore

[@lukew6725]

That's what happens when you have a Muppet as a teammate. 😂

[@MaximumDamange]

Yoc can try Elo for all drivers. 1 place means win points from 2-20place. 2 place - lose pts for 1 place and wins from 3-20. 3 place - lose pts from 1-2 pl and wins from 4-20. And so on.

[@timheesterbeek4597]

But then the car would really influence your ratings. Russel would have some of the lowest ratings ever before moving to Mercedes, because he had three years in by far the worst car. And he really wasn't the worst driver

[@Jonathan-me9ek]

Love ur vid mate, keepp it up. Also please get ur ponytail back, I convinced my friend who looks exactly likr u but with no bear to get a pony tail but he's gonna get rid of it cuz ur changed

[@Landopedia]

Elo isn’t great when you don’t have a variety of opponents. It might make sense to try a small k-value for the head to heads with all of the other drivers.

[@TestarossaF110]

cant wait for the vSCORE

[@claudiaamengualmateo6989]

I indeed, cannot get enough of the numbers 😂

[@nert-13]

If you really wanna go meta statistics, you can put every f1 driver's vScore into a normal distribution, give each v score a z score, and definitively say that x driver is twice as good as y driver through multiplying z scores. Stats is cool, huh?

[@deathtoallturkeys]

Given that this is your rating system for car drivers, I think it should be called vCAR. Plus it is your second stab at this, so maybe we could tag a B on the end, to show it was the second iteration?

[@MrVsGarage]

never expected to see Christian Horner's alt in the comments trying to get me to do his advertising for him

[@deathtoallturkeys]

@MrVsGarage rumbled again

[@victordebont5735]

Does this spreadsheet have any mmmmmmmedium speed corners?

[@Adwnpinoy310]

I guess vElo was already taken. I don’t know why but these scoring system videos really speak to me

[@BlueEagle]

Mr V going to tweak an ELO based system and doesn't go with calling it VELO, highly disappointing

[@MrVsGarage]

Well damn, missed my opportunity to rake in all those sneaky tabaco advertising millions

[@patro7177]

Franco got a higher ELO than the RB, Haas, Saubers, Oscar and Carlos, i've seen enough, get him a seat at all 4 top teams and he can pick which one he likes most

[@charlesdarwin7253]

ELO, ELP, BTO, REM, U2, they're all great. But what does that have to do with F1?

[@iacek2310]

Waiting for vscore

[@mohamedmerdj-t3e]

name it V rating (f1 edition) from algeria

[@lorenzomarchesi1471]

3:10 wait, is it actually the lowest rating ever in f1 or just this season?

[@MrVsGarage]

EVER

[@souptime8635]

Will you do the 2024 season with differrent point systems? 🥚

[@PepeG0tera]

I mean, if it says Alonso is the best of all time I think it is already a perfect system

[@BDSFormula1]

2:44 aw heel naw

[@AgastyaSharma-cw9dl]

Who has the lowest elo?? (out of every driver ever) I don't think magnussen is the one

[@MrVsGarage]

the numbers don't lie, Kevin is washed

[@patpat8727]

This doesn't make sense.

[@Peterthegreat1234]

What the f*ck is ELO ?

[@Neko2508]

never clicked so fast

[@Oivindjensen]

V-LO

[@Galfchick]

So Alonso is no longer the GOAT? Damn

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

Still is by 14 points

[@ryklatortuga4146]

ELO too slow - why not plug in lap vs lap times for every lap of each race - ignore pitstop in out laps - to be fair

[@markbrowne7981]

@Mr V's Garage @Mr V's Garage @Mr V's Garage did you know Oliver Bearman raced Saudi Arabia with Ferrari so you can put him in? @Mr V's Garage

[@HasekuraIsuna]

I'll never get tired of the "no one would stupid enought to do that! Anyway, here it is"-schtick!