Does Mazda's quirky EV finally make sense now it's half price?

[@Tusfpbx5778]

We have one and it fits everyday needs. The grandchildren love the doors.

[@Koulis_]

The trouble with this car is it's too good for the size of the battery. It was a premium price for a car that should have been more basic for that battery size. When battery prices drop and EV production is increased it will become more economically viable for manufacturers to make smaller, cheaper EVs with smaller batteries. Also battery density will improve and the ranges will increase too.

[@Goaneasy]

6:57 6:59 Bought the top model 2 weeks ago for a great price. Beautiful car and a pleasure to drive short distances. Its an attention grabber and battery warranty is 8 years with some TCs. The kids love it as well

[@newbeginnings8566]

At these prices they will find buyers.... The original prices show how far off they were...

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

I still doubt it. That original MSRP is hilarious

[@newbeginnings8566]

@@JamaicanMeCrazy I'd buy one for short journeys but of course I'd have a ICE vehicle for the longer journeys, going on holiday, hauling a trailer etc. Original price was very, very optimistic,

[@datathunderstorm]

These are perfect 2nd hand if you live in an ULEZ city and need to future proof yourself. Especially if your at that age where your kids have left home, you’ve got off road parking for a home charger and you no longer drive anywhere far anymore - you’d rather take a train or a bus. If you’re just a regular city commuter Joe like me, this is perfect. I really do not need a Tesla size battery in my car. I don’t actually like SUV’s but I do love Coupe’s and this IS a coupe! I don’t drive far, I never leave the city and I’m in the middle of an ULEZ city. Perfect for my needs. Even the insurance isn’t expensive - and it’s Japanese! Perfection 😊

[@AndrewKNI]

A beautiful looking car. So stylish.

[@GreganDunn]

i3 at the same price point are several years older with way more km on them AND the i3 only comes in a RWD which is a non starter for me here in Canada having to deal with snow.

[@nothingsurprisesmeanymore]

The problem is you will need to charge it daily, so you need either off road parking at home with a 7kw charger or have access to a ev charging port at work and limit driving distance at the weekend. Also if you are charging daily or every other day the battery degradation will be significantly higher than with larger ones. This does create a few problems that a vast majority of people don't want.

[@ikuturso7570]

Many of us do 95% of their driving so that 100 miles of range is enough. BUT for the 5% when you need 150, 200, 400... it gets extremely painfull with short range cars. And getting a loaner gets easily unpractical and so expensive that paying 10k more for decent range is the smart thing to do.

[@mforce2]

Yeah but we have a diesel in the family also so in this case it's absolutely fine to take this a city or around the city car. Only thing here would be that the Mazda is a bit bigger than the Citroen C3 for example.

[@sbsummit]

Great as a second car, but few people could live with that small range as their only car, because most people will need a long trip every once in a while - holidays, visiting family, etc. - and you really don't want to be forced to recharge twice or more on a journey from, say, London to Manchester

[@man-by9iz]

I can’t miss riding to Manchester, but the extra space in my boot will let me make lesss journeys to Manchester United

[@smellthecoffee5314]

@@sbsummit that is true but if you really only need the extra range a few times a year it would be much cheaper to hire a car than have a second ice car. We have the mx-30 and a second car. We love the MX-30 then but we can charge it on the drive overnight - from standard mains socket. I wouldn’t want to make long journeys in any EV tbh. Charging availability and charging time and cost need radically improving before I would consider using an EV for long or touring journeys.

[@Nick-ct1ww]

Someone has lost a lot of money here. If it was initially sold on PCP its Guaranteed residual value must have been way more than its market value (and bear in mind the dealer selling this car is also making a profit on what he [aid for it) then presumably it must be the finance company making a huge loss on the PCP deal. Why are we not seeing huge losses crystallise in these finance company accounts? They will have to be accounted for at some point soon.

[@allendavid4139]

In the States if you bought a new one the Mazda dealers would lend you a ICE car if you needed to do a long trip 😂 ,I believe the model has now been withdrawn from sale

[@HologramJones]

The US is a much larger country with much longer roads too

[@magnuslemhage1133]

Thanks for information...😃😃😃👍

[@nikkipedro]

What is the battery health on this. With a small 30kwh battery, presumably it would be charged often, I imagine the health and therefore the range is worse than new and still degrading.

[@alfamonk]

imagination huh?

[@dwftube]

Whats up with the sound?

[@peterfrost696]

What is the point? You’re right it works as a second car .

[@gregj7916]

Prices have not dropped in Australia…

[@nyc863]

oh yes they have!

[@suad01]

Doesn't it have a range extender gasoline engine?

[@iainmacleod4007]

No that’s is the CX30 R-EV which has a smaller battery but a range extender. It’s only been on sale for about a year.

[@bikeman123]

How would I check the battery state of health? Do I just hope its ok?

[@bryanduncan6178]

Ask the dealer to run a battery check.... (as per the video!)

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

It does not. You just wait till that battery starts to degrade.

[@jamesecroucher]

1.5% a year she says…

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

​@@jamesecroucherStill not convinced. On a really cold day you might just get 50 miles. Honestly I'd rather just get a used plug in. You'll get similar range in electric only then You can get 400 Miles if you want to go on a longer drive. Id only personally consider this at 7 or 8k

[@Brian-om2hh]

Normal battery degradation runs at 2% per year, although it can slow after 4 or 5 years. I wouldn't imagine a battery pack refurbishment would be needed until the car was 10 to 12 years old. A battery pack refurbishment costs a fraction of replacing it, in the same way an engine recondition costs less than a replacement.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@jamesecroucher 2% per year is typical, although it slows once the car gets past 4 to 5 years old.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Auto trader Tesla Model S 75 Hatchback 5dr Electric Auto (315 bhp) 52,793 miles2017 (67 reg)AutomaticElectric £16,990 £442 per month (HP)

[@alfamonk]

who would buy a shitty Tesla though?

[@michaelblue7852]

Interior looks so good.

[@marcelmed4574]

Limited range equals more frequent charge cycles. Considering lithium EVs have a maximum 1500 cycles, max lifespan

[@thebigcheese6606]

I think the design more off putting. But for the price a great car.

[@damianroddis4301]

Love the interior but that range is not good enough. Not even if using it locally

[@RyoHazuki911]

Kona 64Kwh is a much better buy in this price range

[@Brian-om2hh]

or a Soul 64kw

[@HologramJones]

can't compare in quality however and battery issues such as thermal runway seem to be more common in those.

[@robertlloyd7493]

Still not tempted thanks

[@jameschapman4824]

IMHO this car is a waste of metal. The range is far to small for the majority of people. This car is aimed at the low mileage user however most of those live in the inner cities and don't have the chance to home charge so that will always become a faff.

[@MrKrugoval]

Please compare bmw i3 battery replacement price to mazda. Also please tell me how much does the carbon fiber body damage repair costs.

[@jamesecroucher]

Try not crashing

[@Harrythehun]

Why? Are you interested in those?

[@trevorsmith8487]

I have a 7 year old 40k mile i3 REX, battery on 96% but not crashed so haven't had to repair. Ins quite high but amazing car, 120+Iles on electric with benefit of onboard generation for the few times a year I want to do long trip and not stop. Such a pity that REX didn't become mainstream and we're stuck with massive cars, on ridiculously large tyres, trying to claim unneeded silly ranges. and 0-60 bragging rights. Marketing works on us dum savages 😂

[@jameschapman4824]

@@jamesecroucher Exactly what I was thinking LOL

[@MrKrugoval]

I'm just saying that this car will have a much lower maintenance cost and the replacement battery costs 11k EUR, not 50k like BMW.

[@barryw9473]

At 10,000 it starts to make sense.

[@the_real_NickBull]

2023 EV with 2017 range, what's not to love? And if you think maybe the rotary range extender might solve the problem, it doesn't. Had one for two weeks on hire, worst car I've ever had the displeasure of living with.

[@christophernoble6810]

No, too many negatives.

[@f1b1777]

I suggest you watch Harry’s Garage 8/2/24 to Understand WHY prices are down is Not all about Range. you said the Environment I Suggest you All take a Look how batteries are made etc . You seem to forget Everything comes from the ground Fromm food to what you are wearing and that Fossil fuel Oil is Not just for cars as it makes and is in most our goods due to chemicals. Oh the other thing if we All go EV what powers the power station,UK is already in the 90%+ capacity.

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Whilst there are a number of Harry's points that I actually do agree with - manufacturers should have focused more on EV efficiency rather than sating consumer's hunger for ever-bigger, resource-wasteful, inefficient show-off SUVs (of which Harry seems to be ever-so fond of) plus that the cost of public rapid charging is insanely high and really should be legislated for - there are simply huge inaccuracies in his ranting that need to be called out. Just for example, his "I've bought a diesel because the numbers stacked up" bit - freeze-frame the quotes and you'll see that the only reason his diesel is cheaper is because he put down an extra £5,000 deposit (equal to 25% more), plus the APR rate was almost halved from 9.9% down to about 5%... actually, the PHEV model had a BETTER residual value than the diesel (61% vs 57%) making a mockery of his argument about electrified cars having worse RVs. Finally, moving ICE cars to EVs was NOT about global warming but to do with reducing air pollution in our towns and cities - hence the ULEZs popping up all over the UK. His diesel Range Rover will continue to pump out high CO2, worsening the rapid increase in childhood respiratory illness see over recent years. Sorry, but Harry is a crochety old grumbler...!

[@Brian-om2hh]

So where does oil come from? And the UK is not at 90% capacity. Nothing like it.

[@HologramJones]

Sounds to me like that's a UK problem and the car market is global

[@robertaustin4700]

Very cheap to buy….but try selling it on again in 3-4 years time when the realistic range has degraded to about 50 miles. It’ll be worthless.

[@prakashnarismulu3332]

Mazda answer to the BMW i 3

[@johnminshall242]

Great potential from the front cabin, unfortunately then ruined by Mazda with those silly rear doors and a pathetic range. Shame… and hence the massive devaluation, as it won’t suit many users! This needs addressing as a new mk2 or just end production, like Honda did with the e. Even the latest REX version remains compromised.

[@TG-pd3ft]

Catastrophic losses for early buyers of EVs as they plummet in price as the true facts about their low range and lack of longevity become evident

[@CptSpears007]

That’s just what happens with early adopters

[@Mancozeb100]

@@CptSpears007Exactly .. been an early adopter since the early 80s … 8-bit, 8MHz computers with 360k floppy drives and then 10Mb hard drives, with dialup to BBS at 3600baud (≈bps) - BBSs were before the internet! So .. point is - someone has to be foolish enough do the early adopting so that mainstream people can benefit later on. 🤷‍♂️

[@northyorkshirechris5735]

That’s the way for most new technology/products. A few years ago OLED TVs changed hands for £4000, they’re now £900 or less.

[@bryanduncan6178]

As the majority of car buyers in the UK PCP their cars, the battery longevity is irrelevant!

[@Brian-om2hh]

Most don't buy, they *lease* so depreciation shocks aren't really felt by them....

[@JackMelqart]

the battery size/ range would not be an issue, if charging up 35KWh would take 3 minutes at the fast charger. but real world 100Km in good weather, with the current charge speeds, is simply absurd. especially these battterys lose capacity/range with the number of cycles (charged up drained charged up) so even if i could drive 3 days with it, the battery would need to be replaced really fast, and with the prices that the car makers asks for them is Absurdly high, its a stupid idea. you neeed at least 50KWh for a city car.

[@aldish25]

Its around 100miles, that's 160km. Charge speeds are fine,30 minutes at a fast charger is 80 % , how many people are actually doing a let's say 250-300 mile (400-480km) trip every month!? It's like 10% of all drivers. Battery degradation isn't a problem,e golfs with 35 kwh battery still holds 90% after 7 year's

[@S.J7777]

Lol 14k still too much

[@Brian-om2hh]

Then maybe go for something like the 2016 Renault Zoe with 35k miles on it, I saw someone buy for £4400 a few weeks back.... A decent off-peak tariff, and you've got sub 2p per mile motoring.....

[@chalkyc]

Excellent car, love the Lady! well it is valentine's day :-)

[@MrGMawson2438]

Hello Vicky

[@zlatanmorrison8182]

Doesn't make sense at any price...unless it is free and even then... :)

[@philtaylor5444]

To expensive to buy charge and maintain

[@Brian-om2hh]

My Kia eNiro costs me around £6 to £7 a week to charge at home, and a full charge does me around 230 miles. My last service cost me £68. Apart from the servicing, there has been no "maintenance" Remember, an EV has around 30 moving parts. An ICE car has thousands.

[@gavinmellon9313]

Just be prepared for a monumental shock when it's time to replace the battery. Hydrogen and synthetic fuels are the future.

[@forestdad]

Its good that it’s comfortable inside as you’ll be sat in it for hours waiting for it to charge 😂

[@adriandelaat2905]

Prepare to loose your shirt if you buy a used EV, no warrenty, Not a bargain, very soon dealers will not take EVS in on trade

[@jake595]

Lmao no one buys them they have them through work schemes pay nothing for them 😢😂

[@HologramJones]

Where are you getting that information from? Approved used comes with warranties, whatever warranty is left from when new on parts and batteries. All approved dealers do it.

[@smellthecoffee5314]

What bollox some people spout Just bought a 2 year old model with 2 years Mazda Warranty on it and 6 years Mazda warranty on the batteries It’s a city car - people get confused by the bigger body and superb interior specs - it’s meant for local journeys.

[@nevilleconnolly8938]

What a load of nonsense!

[@jamesecroucher]

You’ll not be saying that next time we’re all stuck in the middle of a fuel panic again and the folks driving these can just sail past the petrol station to plug them in and fill up at home!

[@brianhume4743]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@bikeman123]

@@jamesecroucher You wont be so smug when theres a power cut.

[@bryanduncan6178]

What powers a petrol station during your hypothetical power outage?! 🤦‍♀️

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@bikeman123 Why will there be power cuts? How would you get petrol if there's a power cut?.